Article: Same Committee, Same Combatants, Different Tune

Reprinted with permission.

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post
April 7, 2005; Page A10


Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr. is a conservative Republican from North Carolina who voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq. So it jarred all the more yesterday when Jones turned his fury on Richard N. Perle, the Pentagon adviser who provided the Bush administration with brainpower for the Iraq war.


Jones, who said he has signed more than 900 condolence letters to kin of fallen soldiers, pronounced himself "incensed" with Perle. "It is just amazing to me how we as a Congress were told we had to remove this man . . . but the reason we were given was not accurate," Jones told Perle at a House Armed Services Committee hearing. Jones said the administration should "apologize for the misinformation that was given. To me there should be somebody who is large enough to say 'We've made a mistake.' I've not heard that yet."


As chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, Perle had gone before the same committee in 2002 and smugly portrayed retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark, who urged caution in Iraq, as "hopelessly confused" and spouting "fuzzy stuff" and "dumb cliches."


Thirty months and one war later, Perle and Clark returned to the committee yesterday. But this time lawmakers on both sides hectored Perle, while Clark didn't bother to suppress an "I told you so."


Perle wasn't about to provide the apology Jones sought. He disavowed any responsibility for his confident prewar assertions about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, heaping the blame instead on "appalling incompetence" at the CIA. "There is reason to believe that we were sucked into an ill-conceived initial attack aimed at Saddam himself by double agents planted by the regime. And as we now know the estimate of Saddam's stockpile of weapons of mass destruction was substantially wrong."


Jones, nearly in tears as he held up Perle's testimony, glared at the witness. "I went to a Marine's funeral who left a wife and three children, twins he never saw, and I'll tell you, I apologize, Mr. Chairman, but I am just incensed with this statement."


Clark, an unsuccessful 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, could not resist piling on Perle. Intelligence estimates "are never accurate, they are never going to be accurate, and I think policymakers bear responsibility for what use they make of intelligence," the retired general lectured.


Sometimes life imitates art. Yesterday, it imitated an episode of "Crossfire." For more than three hours, Clark and Perle reprised their confrontation before the committee in September 2002. The two men entered in twin gray suits and red ties, and took adjacent chairs at the witness table. Clark scribbled in pencil, Perle with a fountain pen. Only Perle's reading material -- he put on the witness table a copy of "Kitchen Confidential: Adventures in the Culinary Underbelly" -- suggested he was not expecting what was to come.


Perle opened by acknowledging mistakes -- though not his own. "The occupation of Iraq did much to vitiate the goodwill we earned," he said, and, "The grand ambition of the Coalition Provisional Authority was profoundly mistaken."


The two belligerents then went after each other, taking the hearing out of the control of the lawmakers. Perle wondered "why in the world" Clark would talk to Syria. Clark said Perle should learn to "eat the elephant one bite at a time." "What are you talking about?" Perle demanded.


Finally, Rep. Victor F. Snyder (D-Ark.) tried to regain the floor. "It is illegal to fight dogs in Arkansas," he said. "I'm not going to get in the middle."


Democrats lobbed softballs to Clark and fired darts at Perle, who made little effort to ingratiate himself, calling one questioner "careless" and saying another cited "substantially incorrect accounts."


"You need a few more allies," observed Rep. Mark Udall (D-Colo.).


It was not always thus. At the September 2002 hearing, GOP lawmakers joined in Perle's dismissal of Clark's argument that "time is on our side" in Iraq and that force should be used only as a "last resort."


Perle said Clark was "wildly optimistic" and called it "one of the dumber cliches, frankly, to say that force must always be a last resort." While Clark fiddled, "Saddam Hussein is busy perfecting those weapons of mass destruction that he already has."


In retrospect, Clark's forecasts proved more accurate than Perle's, and even Republicans on the committee made little effort yesterday to defend Perle or to undermine Clark. The exception was Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), who pressed Clark to acknowledge that the Iraq invasion should get some credit for signs of democracy in the region.


"We've got to do a lot less crowing about the sunrise," Clark rejoined.


When Hunter's GOP colleagues didn't join his line of questioning, he took another turn grilling Clark. The chairman likened President Bush's Middle East policies to those of President Ronald Reagan in Eastern Europe.


"Reagan never invaded Eastern Europe," Clark retorted.


In another try, Hunter said Clark was "overstating" the risk in challenging other countries in the Middle East. Clark smiled and showed his trump card -- reminding Hunter of their exchange at the 2002 hearing. "I kept saying time was on our side," Clark said. "I could never quite satisfy you."


As for who proved correct, the general said, "I'll let the record speak for itself."

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Submitted by Anonymous on April 12, 2005 - 7:57am.

On last week's Real Time, Perle ran all over Maher, not conceding an inch and blaming faulty intelligence. It remind's me of Rumsfeld's blaming of the Turk's and Bill Clinton. These shysters won't cop to anything, come to think of it, shyster is much too kind a word. All Maher had to do was read the Milbank article and follow the General's lead. Thank God for Wes Clark!!
RM

Submitted by Anonymous on April 10, 2005 - 7:06pm.

http://okcitykid.bravejournal.com/entry/11819

How much you want to bet that Perle has no Active Military Service
experience.  If he had, he would have respected the General's
opinion.  Experience is something our society with all its great
advances ignores when it should be listening.  Imagine how many
pints of blood could have been saved if someone had listened to the General.

Submitted by Anonymous on April 10, 2005 - 7:05pm.

http://okcitykid.bravejournal.com/entry/11819

How much you want to bet the Perle has no Active Military Service
experience.  If he had, he would have respected the General's
opinion.  Experience is something our society with all its great
advances ignores when it should be listening.  Imagine how many
pints of blood could have been saved if someone had listened to the General.

Submitted by Anonymous on April 8, 2005 - 2:31pm.

Perle wondered "why in the world" Clark would talk to Syria. Clark said Perle should learn to "eat the elephant one bite at a time." "What are you talking about?" Perle demanded.

I sooo admire General Clark. He He :-) He explains things so simply if only the chickenhawks would just take some good notes.

Submitted by Anonymous on April 8, 2005 - 1:46pm.

Nice to know that at least one of the Chicken Littles that ran around in a panic that Iraq might have WMD finally met his match. Thanks General for keeping a cool head before the war. Given the panic the WMD fear stirred in the administration, makes me wonder if the current panic-attack over Social Security might be another case of crying wolf. Calm, cool, and collected in Alabama

Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 6:35pm.

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Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 4:28pm.

Although it doesn't begin to convey the way Clark was able to take apart Perle's continuing vacillations, projection of blame and crazy neo-con agenda. As well as his lame attempts to rewrite history and his place in it as regards the Iraq invasion.

It was a thing of beauty.

Rep. Cooper was also outstanding in his debate-style destruction of Perle, turning his statements back on him and exposing his contradictions and lies.

If the committee is willing to admit that General Clark was right, all I can hope is that they listen to his warnings this time around.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Monique in NYC (aka incapsulated)

Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 7:33am.

Although Spring had surely sprung in the Central Atlantic States & even in D.C. yesterday as evident in the fabulous cherry blossoms, it was still "the winter of our discontent" for Rep. Walter Jones who is now ---but hardly before--- bent out of shape by administration lies & over-reaching on Iraq prognostication. If Mr. Jones is dismayed in signing over 900 letters of condolence to the families of the fallen in his area, how would he feel if acknowledgement of the Iraqi victims, now over 100,000, was his task? It is far worse than just an intelligence failure in which Dick Perle still fails to "fess up" to his input into this fiasco; it is a national disgrace: NO post-planning at all. And putting Mr. Bolton into the U.N. post is far worse than the wolf guarding the chickens: how can so sinister a 'mole' show himself in that public arena? Mr. Perle's recent appearances on C-Span allowed him to field a question from a caller without the caller available for any 'shove' to his 'push'; thankfully, this format was not used in this hearing, and Wes Clark was able to retort with gusto, a role in which he excelled. Thanks for this righting of the record, which even when it speaks for itself, does best when a face is put on it. Yesterday, that face was Wes Clark: touchee!
Prof. A.C. Hander (retired) Meadowbrook, PA 19046

Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 7:17am.

I listened to your testimony live through the net and cheered every smackdown.

Way to go General! You decimated Perle!

Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 7:13am.

General Clark, you were exactly right in 2002 and you are exactly right now. Back in 2003, my sister asked me why I was supporting you in the primaries. I told her that I wanted to have a President I could trust to know what was the right thing to do. You've shown time and time again that you know what's right and you'll do what's right. Thank you for being the light in the darkness.

Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 2:01am.

Thanks General Clark.
Your discussions today were fantastic. It is clear that these guys are understanding more and more that you actually know what you are talking about! "The Iraqi model" is not something I want to see recreated or god forbid become a doctrine for political reform in other proud nations.

westcott

Submitted by Anonymous on April 7, 2005 - 1:46am.

An excellent article that goes to the validation of what General Clark has said all along. I hope this portends the lifting of the veil so that people will finally see how prescient the General's testimony was in 2002. Wake up America and listen! Wes Clark was right all along!
Sue aka "Arky"

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