What America's Role Ought To Be: A conversation with GUYMAN (and others)
Submitted by Cristian Brown on February 7, 2007 - 12:38pm.
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Rather than hijack maddy's thread on the UPI article, I'd like to invite Guyman (and anyone else who wishes) to participate in a discussion about what America's role in the world ought to be.
I'd like to look forward here: what America should be in 2010 or 2020, rather than what we are now. I think we all agree that current U.S. foreign policy is close to an unmitigated disaster; if we didn't, we'd be supporting President Bush, rather than working for a Democratic candidate whom we believe can right this dangerously listing ship. So there's really no need to rehash the current wrongs. So in this thread I'd like to be aspirational -- to dream of what ought to be, rather than bemoaning what is. :)
It goes without saying that Guyman and I disagree on a number of issues. He's also one of my favorite correspondents, because our disagreements tend to zero in on core issues. Issues like the topic of this post: What America's Role Ought To Be.
Guyman, if you'll permit me to put some words in your mouth, I think you believe that America is uniquely qualified to be an instrument for good in the world. I think you believe that the world is better off under strong American leadership, that we are truly an exceptional nation (maybe even an exceptional people), and it is vitally important that America continue to exercise, and be able to exercise, strong leadership. If I'm wrong here, please forgive and correct me. I do not want to insult or denigrate your position.
But what are the limits of that? If you believe the world is better off under strong American leadership -- and I'd invite you to make an argument for that, because it's a perspective that ought to be considered -- does that rise to the point of "What's good for America is good for the world?" Is it enough that American leadership serve U.S. interests? For example:
- Should the United States try to manage the growth of foreign economies, through energy or other policies, to preserve the dominance of the U.S. economy?
- Should the United States ratify and participate in the International Criminal Court, even if we don't have veto power over what cases are investigated and tried?
- Should United Nations authorization be a necessary precondition for U.S. military action, except in direct defense against attacks-in-progress (not merely in contemplation) at or within our borders?
- Should the United States sponsor covert "destabilization" efforts against regimes that oppose our interests?
- Should the United States offer a new "Bretton Woods" initiative to the European Union, offering a fixed exchange rate on the U.S. dollar and Eurodollar, even if the agreement would impose limits on U.S. fiscal policy?
- Should the United States encourage the World Trade Organization to adopt so-called "fair trade" rules, which for example would require U.S. companies that produce goods in foreign countries to pay "comparable wages," that is, wages equivalent to what they would pay U.S. workers, indexed for cost-of-living?
- Should the United States press the World Bank and International Monetary Fund for a "Jubilee 2010," that is, a forgiveness of international debt in countries where debt service consumes more than 25% of their federal budgets?
- Should the United States commit to a "Transit 2020" program, that is, to have the most advanced, most energy-efficient mass transit program in the world by the year 2020, if the funding for that program would require cuts in military spending?
I'm sure there are other specific policies that could be raised. Feel free to raise them. I hope it's clear (to everyone!) that I'm not looking for a fight here. I believe we can discuss these issues honestly, forthrightly, reasonably, and courteously. And I think it's important that we do.
Because we all support Wes Clark, and we would all work hard for his candidacy. I think it's important to show the Democratic Party that we are a "big tent" here, that we can have widely divergent views on some of these issues, and still unite under Wes Clark's banner. Wes Clark is not a single issue, nor even a single perspective candidate. Showing our divergent views points to his widespread appeal, and strengthens his candidacy.
I look forward to our discussion.
Crissie
Hi Stan,
America's role ought, first, to live up to its promise to its own people. America can't preach democracy and human rights while we're losing them at home. America must be admired and emulated for what it does for its own people, not for what they say to the outside world.
In a larger sense, America's role is to be the behavioral model for freedom, humanity, and stewardship of the planet.
The answers to your questions, Crissie, should come as fallouts from what America values. America must recommit to the ideals set forth by the Founding Fathers.
In light of what you believe those values are -- and I agree with the values you've cited here -- how would you answer those questions? You've begged the question.
Crissie

and answered the big question. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know the answers.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
If not now, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
BE THE CHANGE you wish to see in the world.
Hi Stan, Guyman, and others:
For the record, here are my answers on these foreign policy issues. Some of them may surprise you. Most won't. Feel free to disagree. :)
- Should the United States try to manage the growth of foreign economies, through energy or other policies, to preserve the dominance of the U.S. economy?
NO. While most of us have enjoyed the benefits of the U.S. being the dominant economy in the world, that loftly perch was never something we "earned" or to which we were "entitled." It's certainly not something we're entitled to preserve at others' expense.
- Should the United States ratify and participate in the International Criminal Court, even if we don't have veto power over what cases are investigated and tried?
YES. The U.S. declined to ratify and participate in the ICC because we held firm to our demand that ICC cases must be referred by the U.N. Security Council -- where we have veto authority -- rather than allowing it to function as an independent arbiter of international law. Yes, participation in the ICC would cede some of our sovreignty, and yes, it would open up U.S. leaders to politically-motivated foreign prosecutions. But the U.S. has no shortage of skilled lawyers, and we're up to that challenge.
- Should United Nations authorization be a necessary precondition for U.S. military action, except in direct defense against attacks-in-progress (not merely in contemplation) at or within our borders?
NO. The U.S. Navy is the world's maritime police force. Global trade relies on the safety of the world's sea lanes, and no other nation currently has the resources to protect them. While I do believe the U.S. should seek U.N. authorization, and while Congressional authorization is a Constitutional mandate, I believe the specter of prosecution in the ICC (above) is the better institutional deterrent to ill-conceived and illegal interventionism.
- Should the United States sponsor covert "destabilization" efforts against regimes that oppose our interests?
NO. Transparency is one of the touchstones of democracy. When our nation engages in covert "destabilization" schemes (coups de etat, assassinations, funding insurgencies, etc.), these undermine democracy here at home. Covert actions, by definition, happen outside the purview of Congress and the people. When those actions rebound -- as they all too often do -- we the people are then unprepared to understand why an event occurred, and we are too easily led into compounding the covert mistakes by overt aggression.
- Should the United States offer a new "Bretton Woods" initiative to the European Union, offering a fixed exchange rate on the U.S. dollar and Eurodollar, even if the agreement would impose limits on U.S. fiscal policy?
YES, PERHAPS. The Iran Oil Bourse is a ticking time bomb; it is, analysts say, Iran's true "nuclear option." Full adoption of the IOB by OPEC nations would displace the U.S. dollar with the Eurodollar as the preferred "reserve currency." With no reason to continue holding U.S. dollars for oil purchases, our lendors would have no disincentive to call in their U.S. debt, which would gut our economy. A new "Bretton Woods" would immunize the U.S. from the IOB's "nuclear option." However, such an agreement must be carefully crafted, so that we retain enough fiscal sovreignty to respond to crises, and so that the EU member nations are held to their fiscal limits.
- Should the United States encourage the World Trade Organization to adopt so-called "fair trade" rules, which for example would require U.S. companies that produce goods in foreign countries to pay "comparable wages," that is, wages equivalent to what they would pay U.S. workers, indexed for cost-of-living?
NO. First, the middle class American lifestyle is so energy-intensive that we simply cannot establish it as the world standard. (Indeed, we need to trim it; see "Transit 2020" below.) Second, cost-of-living indexing between very different cultures is an exercise in self-delusion. How do you value-as-income the food grown on individual family farms (decreasing COL), or the lower life expectancy caused by inadequate health care, poor environmental protections, and violence (increasing the COL)? You can't legislate Leavittown into existence in Sri Lanka or Niger.
- Should the United States press the World Bank and International Monetary Fund for a "Jubilee 2010," that is, a forgiveness of international debt in countries where debt service consumes more than 25% of their federal budgets?
YES. The "Jubilee 2000" program, spearheaded by Bono and the Catholic Church, was a good start. But it was only a start. Smaller emerging economies can never lift up their peoples' standards of living when those economies are saddled with crippling international debt. International bankruptcy is a blunt instrument. The "Jubilee" initiative was carefully crafted to protect over-indebted nations without deterring the very investment that offers them hope.
- Should the United States commit to a "Transit 2020" program, that is, to have the most advanced, most energy-efficient mass transit program in the world by the year 2020, if the funding for that program would require cuts in military spending?
YES. In fact, this might well be the most important national security policy the U.S. could undertake. Because the greatest national security risk is not Iran, or nuclear proliferation, or terrorism ... it is global warming. "Transit 2020" would also be the most effective long-term solution to our dependence on Middle East oil. Moreover, when many Americans are increasingly frustrated at the lack of quality jobs available, "Transit 2020" would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, most of them jobs that could not be exported because the work must be done here. Finally, "Transit 2020" would yield an "infrastructure-industrial complex" as an alternative to the military-industrial complex ... something Wes Clark has identified as a fundamental social and political issue.
Each of these answers is, I believe, a position with which reasonable people may reasonably differ. I'd like to explore those differences.
Crissie

As you know, I'm a big fan of Stephen R. Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective People philosophy. In 1990, I went through the program's facilitator training.
Dr. Covey begins with "inside-outside" effectiveness. People must first be internally congruent and effective. Then and only then can people work effectively with others.
America's role ought, first, to live up to its promise to its own people. America can't preach democracy and human rights while we're losing them at home. America must be admired and emulated for what it does for its own people, not for what they say to the outside world.
In a larger sense, America's role is to be the behavioral model for freedom, humanity, and stewardship of the planet.
The answers to your questions, Crissie, should come as fallouts from what America values. America must recommit to the ideals set forth by the Founding Fathers.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
If not now, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
BE THE CHANGE you wish to see in the world.