General Clark Appearance on O'Reilly Factor Discussion
Submitted by larry on September 23, 2005 - 8:11pm.
General Clark will be on the O'Reilly Factor this evening at approximately 8:35pm ET. Discuss his appearance here.
"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)
you want your guard to bring communications, bring medical, logistic supplies, water, emergency construction. Don't want them to quell civic disruption.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
jen, did you mean our National Guard or US Troops?
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"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)
He was talking about National Guard. He was saying that the guard that had been through the evacuation preparation drills are all in Iraq. The ones that were at the Super Dome had none of that training.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
Very moving picture to see them arms over one another's shoulders.
Meeting with Charlie Rangel and others to work on strategy for Iraq. Can't win with military force alone. Diplomats and president have work to do.
Can't imagine Cindy Sheehan doesn't like the country. She supported her son while plenty of people who wear flg pins don't send their kids.
Will talk to BO next week
The world is always going to be ruled by people who want to rule the world.
Clark: They had a battalion of national guard in super dome. The water came up and they couldn't get relief, couldn't get replacements.
O'Lielly: why didn't governor prepare for this?
Clark: quality of troops there weren't the ones that had practiced - those troops were in Iraq. The troops there had no maps, no drills, no exercises. Treat thse kinds of things that require local, state, federal coordinated support.
O'Lielly - surprised you met with Sheehan. She's a radical bla bla bla...
Clark: why surprised? She LOST a son! What I saw was a woman in a lot of pain.
O'Lielly - surprised a man of your stature would meet with a woman who said the following -- then goes off on all his typical slurs on cindy.
Clark: I'm not enforcing anything she says. I was there with Charlie Rangel and a couple other congressman and we're trying to work on the right exit strategy on Iraq. I've got traction I think it's moving in the right direction for the country.
We can't win with military force alone. Diplomats have to get to work, president has to get to work. We've GOT to talk to them.
O'Lielly - you gave her credibility. She does not like this country bla bla bla...
Clark: I can't imagine she doesn't like the country. She supported her son serving in armed forces. I can tell you lots of people wearing that flag who wouldn't let their son serve.
O'Lielly invites him back next week to talk about it more.
Bottom line: O'Lielly SUCKS.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
I agree, O'Lielly SUCKS!!
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"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)
I didn't know this.
"Gordon Gecko epitomizes the values of the Republican Party - Greed is Good!" - Wes Clark to Virginia Democrats, 9/13/05
Time for a little Democratic Underground ;)
Haha -- I love it!
Life with Wes Clark is never boring.
"Gordon Gecko epitomizes the values of the Republican Party - Greed is Good!" - Wes Clark to Virginia Democrats, 9/13/05
I think he said it was when he was meeting with Dems from the House on Tuesday night.
Good for Wes! He's not one to run away from doing the right thing!
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark
he met with her either 'til just now! And I LOVE how every single question O'Leilly tried to bring it back to Cindy and General Clark methodically got his points out even through O'Leilly's blathering!
And bug, you couldn't have known, but years and years ago, I was the typist for my high school newspaper - my nickname... Lightening Fingers _________(last name)! LOL!!
Last typing test I took also many years ago I was at 80 wpm. I also had a word processing business for a few years and charged by the word! LOL!! Got very very fast!! My accuracy has gone way downhill though...
Wonder if we'll be getting a spellcheck on the "new" blog? Wouldn't that be killer?
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
...the line,
...lots of people wearing that flag who wouldn't let their son serve.
Can anybody say, "Chickenhawk"?
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
BE THE CHANGE you want to see in the world.
If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
bett noire. He just can't stop obsessing.
I know I was off the blog but I had no idea Clark met with her. I would also suppose I was not alone in not knowing that. So any "credibility" that was supposedly conferred had to be minimal.
about Cindy Sheehan. I can't believe he said she doesn't like this country. Great comeback by Wes - she let her son serve, of course she likes this country. Many people with flag pins won't let their children serve in the armed forces.
That's a true leader!
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"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)
I know Wes didn't intend it, but he sure made chimpy look bad, didn't he? "What I saw was a woman in a lot of pain" - dubya could never in a million years see that - never! And even if he could see it, he couldn't possibly care less.
and Wes put him in his place.
"I know a lot of people who wear that flag pin who won't send their children to fight in Iraq. I honor any mother or father who have a child that served." (paraphrased)
Tell em Wes!
Tan jacket, dark blue tie.
The world is always going to be ruled by people who want to rule the world.
Looked great to. In Little Rock. I guess he'll be back next week to talk about Iraq. Riley promised. Opps. I don't think he always keeps his promises.
Self-inflicted wounds from biting himself...and I don't think O'Reilly probably gets a say in when Wes will be on he wouldn't be on.
1. Show up * 2. Pay attention * 3. Speak your truth, and * 4. Don\'t be attached to outcome -- Angeles Arrien
Sybil:
Did you hear O'Reilly say "We'll "hire" you back next week?" to Wes, as if he was the head of a corporation or something? What a jerk.
Barb
What a pompous windbag that O'Reilly!
1. Show up * 2. Pay attention * 3. Speak your truth, and * 4. Don\'t be attached to outcome -- Angeles Arrien
That is all riley wants to talk about, I can't believe he compared NO to the riots in Los Angeles. It was a humanitarian disaster, mister.
It's all what's left of what passes for his brain can understand.
If someone shot O'Lielly in the head, I don't think we could tell the difference, he's so brain dead.
Thanks, guys, for the play-by-play for folks like me who don't have Fox News....
"...when politicians screw up it is the duty of the opposing party to point out to the people how badly they screwed it up so that the people don't make the same mistake in the future." Wes Clark Jr
OMG! Wesley Clark is the absolute soul of patience! My jaw is just on the floor again! I am constantly so amazed and so impressed at how kind, compassionate and understanding he is with the likes of O'Lielly and Hannity - yet he still gets all his points in and doesn't let the O'Reillys of the airwaves dominate!
And this was the first I've heard about Wes meeting with Cindy Sheehan - wow! Clueing her in on the right plan for Iraq - so great! He's the man!
Loved that they showed the tape of Wes, Charlie and Cindy!
believe he got to get his ideas to her personally? What a wonderful thing that must have been for her, ya know? To hear someone talk about Iraq who actually knows exactly what we need to do!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
Do ya think he hugged her, jen???
Missed this show, but saw o'l Thurs (when Wes was NOT there) and saw Donahue beat up o'l. He did a really good job, challenged him at every b.s. point (and called him Billy!!!)
and Bill, of course, had to blather away most of the time with his idiocy.
he was already on when I tuned in and I pretty much saw the part where O'Reilly tried to ambush Wes with Cindy Sheehan. I thought Wes handled it well and got in some of the points he wanted to talk about, but clearly it was a night where the focus is on Rita.
Something is seriously wrong with O'Leilly. He's so f'ing hung up on Cindy - he can't stand it!! And I can't stand HIM!! I love that he's a constant target on Media Matters. I'm constantly writing him and pointing out that we all know he lies. I usually use misstatement, or misspoke, but for him I just say that I know he lied. Nicely, but bluntly. I'm sure he doesn't read the emails once he realizes it's someone pointing out his LIES. Jerk.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
Wes Clark has met with Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore, defends their speech, and still Bill O'Reilly calls him a gentleman. Whoa
he's called him a nut before Wes joined Faux.
Bill probably has to have a tornequet for his tongue ready every time Wes is on.
call him a gentleman.....if he knows what's good for him. He probably witnessed the Asman Smackdown and doesn't want any parts of Wes if Wes feels the need to take off the kid gloves.
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
editing...one moment...
No matter what we think of O'Reilly, we should let Fox know that we are glad they have the General appear on their programs. I have not figured out how to post the individual links, but you can find them on this page:
I was busy doing something else and missed the segment.
Anyone know what time the replay of the show is on? I can probably catch it later.
Loved Wes's response to the slur on Cindy Sheehan about plenty of parents wearing flag pins that won't let their kids serve in the military. Touche!
You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003
that Billy O'Lielly is an a**?
Or that Wesley K. Clark is THE MAN?
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
YHM??!! LOL!!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
I couldn't blog as I watched, but I loved it! Good, rational answers. And I'm so proud of him for meeting Cindy Sheeham. The rest of the Dems considered to be running for '08 are acting like she's got a fatal, communicable disease. They're cowards. Wes does what's right!! And as O' was chastizing him, he just kept shaking his head like O' simply wasn't "getting it." I am so very proud to be his supporter. That's the kind of human being, the kind of leader, I want for my president.
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark
And I love that response to the Cindy doesn't like America ridiculousness...Our General is so good...Thanks again for the play by play...
"...when politicians screw up it is the duty of the opposing party to point out to the people how badly they screwed it up so that the people don't make the same mistake in the future." Wes Clark Jr
meeting with Cindy. His ability to have his own view points and still listen to other's view points shows a lot of character. Too bad there aren't too many other Dems that can show the same.
Allan
...in one thing.
O'Reilly gave Clark a perfect opening when he opened the Cindy Sheehan discussion. O'Reilly said that Sheehan hated the country because she had called the administration "murderers." Clark should have returned to his stock-in-trade, that dissent is the highest form of patriotism
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
BE THE CHANGE you want to see in the world.
If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
I doubt he expected that ambush, but he still pulled out with minimal collateral damage. :)
Seriously, I think his shaking his head at the pundit for being an ass was as good as it gets.
Oh, yes. He was great. I was just waiting for the line, and I didn't get it. Overall, or I guess I should say "in General," it was a nit and only we Clarkies would have expected it.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
BE THE CHANGE you want to see in the world.
If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
Bill was making that stuff up about Cindy or taking it out of context. Or she actually said some stuff in frustration. If she did say it it's unforunate, but we know that's not in Cindy's heart. Or whatever. Clark didn't bite. If he said she didn't say that, Bill would point to something of unconfirmable credibility. Instead, Clark made it look like Bill was making it up, by casting doubt. By making Bill look like he doesn't support the Troops' Moms. Clark essentialy assured the viewer that Cindy lost a child in Military service and she has the right to say whatever she wants.
Wes was terrific. Especially about meeting with Cindy Sheehan. I'm so glad he did. And Charlie. :) He must have discussed with her the same things which he discussed with the Out of Iraq Caucus. Good for him. She lost a son in this disaster and can say anything she damn well pleases, IMO. What don't these clods get about that? And Wes managed to say (it isn't easy with that lout) the NG troops in NO who had drilled and planned for a catastrophe were in Iraq. Right! Good, good, good. All good!
It is still beyond my comprehension how people can listen to that insufferable boorish boob, O'Lielly.
responsible for the boorish boobish behavior apparent in so many of our fellow citizens - he and rush both.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
Thanks for posting this - the discussion was good and positive.
OT but I saw TC posts. She uses Danae a character on the newpaper funny Non Sequitur that I just love.
O'Lielly was such a looser ... such a spinster, jumping from Katrina, Rita, Iraq, and Cindy, then back to Iraq, ...I think. :/
Bill first diverted attention back to failures in Katrina disaster responses (and about how his expert opinion would've handled it), Clark immediately referred back to the deployment of LAs most highly skilled National Guards troops fighting in Iraq, which compromised relief efforts.
Then when O'Lielly started diverting his loosing arguments by ranting about Cindy Sheehan's "patriotism", and again Clark snapped him back into perspective! To close (and escape Clark's smackdown, see jens transciption ;), Bill offered to invite Clark back. Clark said, "Great, let's talk about the policy, ...not the company, Bill."
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"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)
serious Brownie Points with a certain segment of America who supports Cindy Sheehan.
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
has been discredited as a term, I do believe :-)
Heckuva job and all that. LOL.
Still would love to hear if anyone knows what time the O'Reilly repeat will be on????
You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003
italics.......LOL! Wish you could be here to march with us tomorrow, Phoebe. I'm not sure when the repeat will be on or I'd pass that on to you.
Anybody else know?
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
I'd love to be marching with you guys. I'll be watching for reports though.
I thought maybe the italics were a clue re brownie points. LOL.
You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003
at 9:00 p.m. and 2:00 a.m. Mountain time.
So EDT, it's 11:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
BE THE CHANGE you want to see in the world.
If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
I'm assuming that's the start of O'Reilly's show, rather than the time of General Clark's interview as originally it was at 35 past the hour.
You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003
Glad I caught your post. I can DVR this now. :)
I would rather spend my life searching for the truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. -- John Victor Ramses
How kind of Wes to meet with Ms. Sheehan, and to stand up to Bill's punches regarding it. He gave nice direct answers and proved that he can have care for someone in grief regarding the loss of a child in war. As for any comments she may have made concerning "hating America" ...the truth is...we DID kill people the moment we stepped on this continent...anyone who has taken a history class knows that. She is in a lot of pain, and she trusted the United States military not to put her son in harm's way for a pointless cause. She feels like her trust has been betrayed...it makes her patriotic for caring. I agree with Vicky... Wes did the proper human thing...GO WES!!! I hope to see him on O'reilly's program next week!!!
is tar people with the company they keep. Viz. Clark & Michael Moore. Viz. now Clark & Sheehan. The point being: if you're with (whomever), you're therefore responsible for and chargeable with every assertedly irresponsible thing that they've ever said or done.
One answer (that Wes didn't use): Bill, I talk with a lot of people, and that doesn't mean that I adopt all of their views. Heck, I'm talking with you!
and also call any dissent "hating the country".
She doesn't hate the country, she hates the policy and its implementation. As in "it's the policy, stupid."
aka carol4clark
Wish Wes would have said that. Hahaha. Most of what O'Lielly was saying Cindy said were most likely lies the "boorish boobs" made up. Wes never bites on the "so and so said such and such" bull. I also get a kick out of Wes' facial expressions when O'Leilly gives him the "I was there when...blah, blah". Haha. Seems as if he knows its another load of bull.
Show me some love:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/23/205658/051
thanks for carrying the debate to dkos.
You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003
than to try and ambush Wes. Listening to O'L sputtering and blathering always reminds me of the old saying "Before you give somebody a piece of your mind, make sure you can get along with what 's left". What a loser!
n/t
I would rather spend my life searching for the truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. -- John Victor Ramses
an Iraq war hawk is going to talk with Cindy - that'll go well...
Probably trying to position himself for a run in '08 - looking reasonable and "understanding" - unlike dubya - won't work - the radical right HATES McCain - and democrats know - or are learning - that he's lost his soul, so they'll never vote for him.
Cindy, I'm sure will be polite but full of disdain.
".....John McCain sold out!"
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
Which is one of the reasons we need Wes to be our candidate in '08. On some rep. polls I've seen, McCain is far in the lead. The fundies will try to defeat him in the primaries. But if he should be the candidate, we need someone who can take him on, gentlemanly but forthrightly - and effectively. I can't see that happening with any of the other candidates. Well, maybe Gore. But I'm not sure how acceptable Gore would be in a general contest now. And we NEED to win the next big one!!
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark
He has been very vocal with his criticism about the screw ups in Iraq. For that, I am grateful. I'm able to say to right wing nuts, hey, look, John McCain has issues with the war in Iraq. You wanna call him a liburl too?
he is a war hawk - he was totally in favor of invading Iraq - and has consistently and constantly defended that position - still agress with the invasion - which is what I consider a war hawk - the fact that he sees all the mistakes the administration has made since then doesn't make him any less a hawk about going into this war.
O'Lielly didn't mention him and I hate watching Faux unless the General's on.