ANALYSIS: John & Elizabeth Edwards did NOT "fight back" against Ann Coulter!


Hello Everyone:

A lot has been said on both sides about John and Elizabeth Edwards supposedly "fighting back" against Ann Coulter on Hardball last week when Elizabeth Edwards called in to confront Ann Coulter on Tuesday, June 26 and when John Edwards was interviewed about it the day after on June 27.

Here is the Hardball video link to watch Elizabeth Edwards begging and pleading with Ann Coulter "to stop personal attacks:"

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=d8a300dc-d991-49dc-9728-b619a4a110f2&p=Source_Hardball&t=c1150&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&fg=  (04:30)


Edwards to Coulter: Stop personal attacks
June 26: Elizabeth Edwards phones into Hardball to “politely” ask Ann Coutler to stop the personal attacks on her family.  
Watch video

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=d8a300dc-d991-49dc-9728-b619a4a110f2&p=Source_Hardball&t=c1150&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&fg=  (04:30)

Here is the Hardball video link from the day after where John Edwards went on Hardball to defend what Elizabeth Edwards said to Ann Coulter the day before, to say "we have to fight back," and to answer questions about using Ann Coulter to raise money for his campaign:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=b000c447-bc9b-4215-82e3-9db03c387ab4&p=Source_Hardball&t=c1150&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&fg=  (06:44)


John Edwards on Coulter
June 27: In the aftermath of Tuesday’s showdown, John Edwards talks to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews about the Ann Coulter controversy.  He defends his wife’s decision to take on Coulter.   
Watch video

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=b000c447-bc9b-4215-82e3-9db03c387ab4&p=Source_Hardball&t=c1150&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&fg=  (06:44)    

Right below is the transcript of Elizabeth Edwards on Hardball from Tuesday, June 26, below that is the transcript of John Edwards on Hardball from Wednesday, June 27, and below that is an Edwards campaign e mail from 6/27/07 titled "Why I called Ann Coulter" where Elizabeth Edwards in my opinion is clearly trying to use Ann Coulter to fundraise when she said:

"John's campaign is about the issues—but pundits like Ann Coulter are trying to shout him down. If they will not stop, it is up to us cut through the noise. Help us fight back—please give what you can today.

www.johnedwards.com/rightwing 

There are just over 3 days left to hit our $9 million goal for the end of the quarter. If we make it, we can directly reach voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and all over the country with our detailed plans on the issues that matter. Please give what you can right now to help raise the dialogue and show that Ann Coulter-style politics will never carry the day..."

My bottom line analysis of John and Elizabeth Edwards supposedly "fighting back" against Ann Coulter is that they did NOT "fight back" against Ann Coulter.  They clearly used Coulter for fundraising purposes and Elizabeth Edwards did NOTHING to "fight back" against Ann Coulter by begging and pleading with her to behave nicely so that we can have a civil dialogue!

This is NOT the first time that the Edwards campaign has tried to use Ann Coulter as a fundraiser:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11365#comment-190850

Edwards is using this for financial gain to get "Coulter Cash:"

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 8, 2007 - 6:06pm.

John Edwards has also appeared to use FOX News for his own personal and financial gain along with Ann Coulter:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11365#comment-191213 

Edwards is using FOX News for his own personal & financial gain:

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 9, 2007 - 9:24pm. 

Also, begging and pleading with a bully (Ann Coulter) by saying "I‘m asking you politely... to stop—to stop personal attacks..." is a sign of weakness and not strength in my opinion.  When was the last time that a truly hardened bully was ever stopped by begging and pleading like this?  I do not ever recall a real bully ever being stopped by that kind of behavior!

Here was Ann Coulter's reply to Elizabeth Edwards' begging and pleading to behave nicely so that we can have a civil dialogue:

COULTER: "How about you stop raising money on your Web page, then?... No, you don‘t have to, because I don‘t mind..."

Yes, why isn‘t John Edwards making this call?...

I think we heard all we need to hear.  The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking. 

No..."

Ann Coulter's answer of "No" should not be a surprise to anyone because that is how a bully will normally act to any sign of weak behavior which is exactly what I think Elizabeth Edwards was demonstrating in that interview!

Elizabeth Edwards had nothing of any real substance to back up her "fighting back" against Ann Coulter, the accusation of Edwards using Coulter to fundraise is clearly proven in my opinion, and what has the Edwards campaign done to seriously follow up on this interview to supposedly keep on "fighting back?"

John and Elizabeth Edwards have done nothing that I can see to keep on "fighting back" while Ann Coulter and her extreme right wing Neocon GOP allies have been using the weakness of John and Elizabeth Edwards to show off and actually help empower the Neocon GOP activist base:

http://newsbusters.org/node/13799

MRC Press Release on Elizabeth Edwards, Ann Coulter and Media Double Standards

Posted by Noel Sheppard on June 28, 2007 - 11:17.

http://www.mrc.org/press/2007/press20070628.asp

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JUNE 28, 2007

CONTACT: TIM SCHEIDERER OR COLLEEN O’BOYLE AT 703.683.5004 

WHY ISN’T THE PRESS CHALLENGING ELIZABETH EDWARDS TO CONDEMN THE EDWARDS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN FOR HIRING AND DEFENDING HATEFUL BLOGGERS? 

Elizabeth Edwards has also declined invitations from the other side to defend herself:

http://newsbusters.org/node/13829 

O'Reilly Wants to Talk about Leftist Hatred; Elizabeth Edwards Declines Invitation

Posted by Justin McCarthy on June 29, 2007 - 12:01. 

This is definitely NOT "fighting back" in my opinion, rather it is empowering the other side!

Elizabeth Edwards picked a fight with Ann Coulter that she did not finish just like how I documented that John Kerry did with Rush Limbaugh:

http://securing.advomatic.com/ccn/node/7662

DOCUMENTATION: John Kerry finally takes a public stand against Rush Limbaugh!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 27, 2006 - 6:40am.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/9351#comment-147279

John Kerry has no concept about how to deal with media attacks:

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on October 31, 2006 - 3:27pm.

John Kerry actually empowered Rush Limbaugh and his followers by starting a fight that he did not finish just like how Elizabeth Edwards did with Ann Coulter!

I think this backs up my previous claims that John Edwards has no clue about how to seriously fight back against extreme right wing attacks and that he will get eaten up alive by the GOP attack machine and the extreme right wing media if he is nominated in 2008: 

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10782#comment-178377

John Edwards has no concept how to deal with "swiftboat" attacks

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 31, 2007 - 1:31pm.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12296 

Edwards leading in Iowa; How the GOP will eat him up alive if he is the nominee!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 5, 2007 - 1:40pm.

I also think that John and Elizabeth Edwards probably received a small short-term fundraising bump out of this incident but they actually did much more overall harm than good in my opinion by empowering Ann Coulter and the Neocon GOP activist base by starting a fight that they did not finish!

What a difference this is from Gen. Clark who has already demonstrated that he can "fight back" by credibly dealing with the best that FOX News can dish out as an analyst (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Neil Cavuto), by actually calling in to Sean Hannity's radio program, and by encouraging his followers to fight back against the extreme right wing media:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191 

Listen to Wes Clark fight for Dems on Hannity

Submitted by larry on June 22, 2006 - 7:57pm.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191#comment-111351 

Gen. Clark on media response from 2/11/05 when I saw him speak!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 23, 2006 - 5:35am.

I hope that Gen. Clark does enter the 2008 Presidential race because I know for certain that he has the proven ability to seriously "fight back" and I also hope that Democrats have enough good judgment to know that nominating John Edwards would be a very serious mistake that I think would probably cost them the 2008 election!    

Mitch Dworkin

http://www.securingamerica.com/ 

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10756 
StopIranWar.com: "War is not the answer"
Submitted by Wes Clark on February 21, 2007 - 11:40am.

http://www.securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191 
Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight back against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda!

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19460016/

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for June 26
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show

Guests: Ann Coulter

MATTHEWS:  You know who is on the line?  Somebody to respond to what you said about Edwards yesterday morning.  Elizabeth Edwards.  She wanted to call in today.  We said she could.

Elizabeth Edwards, go on the line.  You‘re on the line with Ann Coulter.

ELIZABETH EDWARDS, WIFE OF JOHN EDWARDS:  Hello, Chris. 

MATTHEWS:  Do you want to say something directly to the person who is with me? 

EDWARDS:  I‘m calling—you know, in the South, we—when someone does something that displeases us, we want to ask them politely to stop doing it. 

I would like to ask Ann Coulter to—if she wants to debate on issues, on positions, we certainly disagree with nearly everything she said on your show today.  But—but it is quite another matter to—for these personal attacks. 

That‘s—the things that she has said over the years, not just about John, but about other candidates, is—lowers our—our political dialogue precisely at the time that we need to raise it. 

So, I—I want to use the opportunity, which I don‘t get much, because Ann and I don‘t hang out with the same people—to ask...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER:  ... have enough money.

EDWARDS:  .... her politely to stop the personal attacks. 

COULTER:  OK.  So, I made a joke, let‘s see, six months ago. 

And, as you point out, they have been raising money off of it for six months, since then. 

MATTHEWS:  But this is yesterday morning, what you said about him.

COULTER:  I didn‘t say anything about him, actually, either time. 

EDWARDS:  Ann knows—you know that‘s not true.

And, what‘s more, this has been going on for some time.

COULTER:  And I don‘t mind you trying to raise money.  I mean, it‘s better this than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor...

EDWARDS:  I‘m asking you—I‘m asking you politely...

COULTER:  ... just to use my name on the Web pages.

But, as for a debate with me, yes, sure. 

EDWARDS:  I‘m asking you politely...

COULTER:  Yes, we will have a debate. 

EDWARDS:  ... to stop—to stop personal attacks.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER:  How about you stop raising money on your Web page, then?

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER:  No, you don‘t have to, because I don‘t mind.

(CROSSTALK)

EDWARDS:  It did not start with that.  You had a column a number of years ago...

COULTER:  Great.  OK. 

EDWARDS:  ... where you suggested that...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER:  The wife of a presidential candidate is calling in, asking me to stop speaking?

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS:  Let her finish the point.  Let her finish the point. 

COULTER:  You‘re asking me to stop speaking?  Stop writing your columns.  Stop writing your books.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS:  Ann, please.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTER:  OK.

EDWARDS:  You had a column a couple of years ago which—which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean‘s death, and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said, “Ask me about my dead son.”

COULTER:  That‘s now three years ago.

EDWARDS:  This is not legitimate political dialogue.  It debases political dialogue.  It drives people away from the process.  We can‘t have a debate about issues if you‘re using this kind of language. 

COULTER:  Yes, why isn‘t John Edwards making this call? 

MATTHEWS:  Well, do you want to respond?  We will end this conversation.

EDWARDS:  I have not talked to John about this call. 

COULTER:  I think this is just another attempt for...

EDWARDS:  I‘m making this call as a mother.  I‘m the mother of that boy who died.  My children participate.  These young people behind you are the age of my children.  You‘re asking them to participate in a dialogue that is based on hatefulness and ugliness, instead of on the issues.

And I don‘t—I don‘t think that is serving them or this country very well. 

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)  

MATTHEWS:  Thank you very much, Elizabeth Edwards.

Do you want to—you have all the time in the world to respond to that. 

COULTER:  I think we heard all we need to hear.  The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking. 

No.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS:  No, she said you should stop being so negative to people individually. 

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER:  Right, as opposed to bankrupting doctors by giving a shyster Las Vegas routine in front of juries, based on science...

MATTHEWS:  OK. 

COULTER:  Wait.  You said I would have as long as I would have.

MATTHEWS:  Go ahead.  Go ahead.  Go ahead.

COULTER:  And you instantly interrupt me.

MATTHEWS:  Go ahead.  Go ahead. 

(LAUGHTER)

COULTER:  As I was saying, doing these psychic routines in front of illiterate juries to bankrupt doctors, who now can‘t deliver babies, and to charge a poverty group $50,000 for a speech.  Don‘t talk to me about how to use language.

MATTHEWS:  Elizabeth.

EDWARDS:  ... language of hate.  And I am going to ask you again to politely stop using personal attacks as part of your dialogue. 

COULTER:  OK, I will stop writing books. 

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS:  Why do you talk about...

(CROSSTALK)

EDWARDS:  If you can‘t write them without them, then that is fine. 

MATTHEWS:  Why do you talk about Hillary‘s chubby legs in your book?

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS:  Why do you—I mean, that might fall into the category of personal attacks.  I don‘t know.  But why do you do that?  Why do you talk about Monica Lewinsky‘s chubbiness?  If she were skinny, would it have been OK? 

COULTER:  I don‘t know.  Read the sentence.

MATTHEWS:  I read the whole sentence.  I couldn‘t feel the context.

COULTER:  Well, you have to give it to me, and I could explain.

MATTHEWS:  Why do you bring up the word chubby?  Why do you make fun of Hillary‘s chubby legs? 

COULTER:  I don‘t know what—you‘re going to have to give me the sentence.  And I think...

MATTHEWS:  It‘s in the afterword of your book.  I just read it this morning. 

COULTER:  Well, read the sentence. 

MATTHEWS:  We will be—we will be back and read the entire sentence.

We‘re coming back.  I don‘t know why we‘re reading—the full intellectual context will be coming in just a moment. 

(LAUGHTER)

COULTER:  Thank you. 

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19482788/

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for June 27
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show

Guests: John Edwards, Chuck Todd, Lois Romano, Ron Christie, Armstrong Williams

MATTHEWS:  Last night, Ann Coulter responded to Elizabeth Edwards with a question.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:  It debases political dialogue.  It drives people away from the process.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  (INAUDIBLE) making this call?

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:  We can‘t have a debate about issues if you‘re using this kind of language.

ANN COULTER:  Yes, why isn‘t John Edwards making this call?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MATTHEWS:  OK.  Yes, Senator Edwards now, I guess the question last night was why didn‘t you make the call, rather than Elizabeth, to Ann Coulter on the HARDBALL set?

JOHN EDWARDS (D-NC), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Well, the simple answer to that is Elizabeth, I guess, heard her and knew she was on and called in.  So I thought it was appropriate that I come on today.

MATTHEWS:  OK.  Did you talk with your wife, Elizabeth, beforehand about this, her decision to call in to the program?

JOHN EDWARDS:  Elizabeth made this decision on her own to call in, I guess based on what she was hearing from Ann Coulter and I think something Ann Coulter had said a couple of days before.

MATTHEWS:  Right.  Well, what is your reaction to what you heard last night and heard today about what happened last night?

JOHN EDWARDS:  I applaud Elizabeth.  I think that when people like Ann Coulter—and it‘s not just her, unfortunately, it‘s her and people just like her, Karl Rove and all those people.  I mean, when they engage us in this kind of hate-mongering, you have to stand up to them.  You have to stand up to them.

They start this fight, but we have to be willing to be strong and to fight back because if we don‘t, Chris, what happens is all the important things—men and women dying in Iraq, those who don‘t have health insurance, et cetera, their issues don‘t get heard.  Instead, it‘s this—it‘s this low-level dialogue with this name-calling, which is what we see.

MATTHEWS:  Well, what do you make of the role of trash talk in politics generally, this willingness on the part of partisans to enrage the other side by going over the top?  I mean, is that a smart tactic?  Does it work?  Does it debase the politics?

JOHN EDWARDS:  Oh, it clearly debases the politics.  There‘s no doubt about that.  It makes it very difficult to talk about issues that affect people‘s day-to-day lives.  And it‘s why, when this kind of hate-mongering and this hate language is used—and I just—I feel the need to point out this woman didn‘t just use it against me.  I mean, the things she said about Senator Obama, the things she said about Senator Clinton, they all fall in the same category.

And they‘re calculated to create an emotional response.  They‘re calculated to make people hate.  And if you don‘t speak out against it, then that means you‘re tolerating this kind of language and it means you think it‘s OK.  It‘s not OK.

MATTHEWS:  What do you make of someone who‘s a person who writes a column, went to Michigan Law School, has a fine education, apparently, from what I can tell, is quite a writer, a good writer, uses comments like, I hope that the terrorists kill this guy, things like that?  What do you make of that stuff?  Where does it come from?

JOHN EDWARDS:  Well, it means a couple things.  Number one, she‘s smart enough to know better.  She knows exactly what she‘s doing.  She‘s not alone.  I mean, if you look at what she‘s doing and you look at what‘s happened in the past, for example, the Swift Boating of Senator Kerry, I mean, I think a lot of this is very coordinated, very calculated.  They intend to create a result.

And what they hope is that we won‘t say anything, we‘ll just let them continue this hateful dialogue.  And we‘ll try and hope that the country will hear us talk about important things, issues that affect the lives of Americans every single day.

But we have to fight back, Chris.  We have to be strong.  We have to speak up.  That‘s what Elizabeth did yesterday, and I‘m proud of her for it.

MATTHEWS:  Elizabeth had one—I think Elizabeth may have made one strategic error last night.  That‘s assuming that she could get Ann Coulter to express shame.

JOHN EDWARDS:  Yes, I don‘t think she has any shame.  There‘s no doubt about that.  And her response to any effort to raise the dialogue, to talk about things that people care about, is to attack in a mean, hateful, mean-spirited way.  I think that‘s just the way she behaves.  That‘s who she is.  And I think that‘s a lot of what we see from these people who are just—that are crazy.  I mean...

MATTHEWS:  Yes.

JOHN EDWARDS:  ... there‘s nothing remotely mainstream about them. 

And normal people are repelled by them.

MATTHEWS:  Well, how do you explain the fact that you see people with good educations walking around the streets of New York and Wall Street, people with big business jobs in equity firms—hedge fund people—all buying books by Ann Coulter?

How do you explain the fact that even last night‘s fight involving your wife, Elizabeth, and Ann Coulter probably helped her sell some more books to these kind of guys?

JOHN EDWARDS:  Because I think there is a segment of the population that responds to this sort of hateful craziness.  It‘s always been true, Chris.  It‘s been true my whole lifetime.

When I was young, growing up in the South, people were very responsive to name-calling of African-Americans, prejudice and discrimination against African-Americans.  And people would say the most outrageous, demeaning things about good human beings.  And there would be a response.

And so there‘s always been hateful language, hate-mongering in this country.  It‘s been true for as long as I‘ve been alive and it‘s still true today.  But that doesn‘t mean we have to tolerate it.  We have to speak out about it.  We have to stand up.

MATTHEWS:  Can you dismiss this as hate speech and negativity and debasing of the political process and at the same time have your campaign use the comments made by Ann Coulter to raise money?  It‘s clearly part of your Web site e-mail campaign solicitation effort now.  Two e-mails have gone out now to raise money off of Ann Coulter‘s attacks on you and your family.  Do you think you can do both, attack her and exploit her?

JOHN EDWARDS:  Here‘s what I think.  I think that we can say to America that we‘re not going to tolerate this kind of behavior, we‘re not going to tolerate this kind of hate language and we‘re going to stand up and we‘re going to fight.

And if we ask Americans, other good Americans to join us in standing up and being strong, there‘s nothing wrong with that.  And that‘s exactly what we‘re asking them to do.  And I hope there‘ll be lots of people who will join us in standing up and doing the right thing.

MATTHEWS:  Have you raised a great deal of money?  There was a report today that you‘ve had your best, most successful e-mail hitting back at Ann Coulter that you‘ve had so far.

JOHN EDWARDS:  We are raising money.  I don‘t know the numbers.  I hope they go up.  I hope we get more and more people who join us in this cause because this is important.

MATTHEWS:  Do you think people should buy Ann Coulter‘s books?

JOHN EDWARDS:  No.

MATTHEWS:  OK.  We‘ll be right back.  That‘s a good answer.  John Edwards.  We‘ll be right back with John Edwards, who‘s coming on tonight to follow up on that incident here last night involving Ann Coulter and her very strong words, many people believe over the line, against the Edwards family.  We‘ll be right back with John Edwards.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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Subj: Why I called Ann Coulter 
Date: 6/27/2007 8:03:50 AM Central Standard Time
From: info@johnedwards.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

http://johnedwards.com/rightwing/

Dear Mitch,

Last night I had an important talk with Ann Coulter and I want to tell you what happened.

On Monday, Ann announced that instead of using more homophobic slurs to attack John, she will just wish that John had been "killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

Where I am from, when someone does something that displeases you, you politely ask them to stop. So when I heard Ann was going to be on "Hardball" last night, I decided to call in and ask her to engage on the issues and stop the personal attacks. I told her these kinds of personal attacks lower our political dialogue at precisely the time when we need to raise it, and set a bad example for our children.

How did she respond? Sadly, perhaps predictably, with more personal attacks.

John's campaign is about the issues—but pundits like Ann Coulter are trying to shout him down. If they will not stop, it is up to us cut through the noise. Help us fight back—please give what you can today.

www.johnedwards.com/rightwing

There are just over 3 days left to hit our $9 million goal for the end of the quarter. If we make it, we can directly reach voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and all over the country with our detailed plans on the issues that matter. Please give what you can right now to help raise the dialogue and show that Ann Coulter-style politics will never carry the day.

www.johnedwards.com/rightwing

Why do Ann Coulter and other right-wing pundits keep attacking John? Because John's bold, specific plans hit them where it hurts: solving global warming, ending the war, building a fair economy—John's agenda threatens everything these talking heads and their corporate cronies stand for.

And they know John can win—just last week a new poll showed that John is the only Democratic candidate who beats all the possible Republican challengers—by an average of 13 points. So they are trying to take John down early. Their strategy is to sling mud and manufacture scandals—about houses, haircuts and anything else they can think of—to discredit John and take down our movement for change.

The best way to beat them is also the right way—take our message of substance straight to the voters. And that is exactly what this campaign is all about.

But we need your help to hit our goal. Please give what you can today.

www.johnedwards.com/rightwing

And thank you for all that you do to support this cause.

Sincerely,

- Elizabeth Edwards
  Wednesday June 27, 2007

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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 2:53am.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062707/content/01125111.guest.html

Mrs. Edwards Ambushes Vice President Coulter

June 27, 2007

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RUSH: I'm getting a lot of e-mails, "When are you going to talk about this Ann Coulter thing with Chris Matthews?"  Yes, we've got audio sound bites about it.  I just want to say one thing about this, well, maybe a couple things about this. If you don't know what happened which is not hard to understand because it was on Hardball and nobody watches that show in great numbers, we'll have some audio and we'll get to it at some point.  I don't know when, Mike, so don't panic setting it up.  It's not going to be any time soon.  But just a clear setup.  It was like when George H. W. Bush back in the '90 campaign was on Larry King Live and Stephanopoulos called in and started arguing. George H. W. Bush is a guest, he'd been invited on, and he was ambushed by George Stephanopoulos.  King is out there acting all surprised that Stephanopoulos got through.  I know how these things work, because I, ladies and gentlemen, have been on these shows and have been ambushed too.  That's why I don't do these things, it's not productive.  

Ann Coulter was clearly ambushed.  If you listen to the transcript and you listen to what Elizabeth Edwards said when she called in, it was a script she was reading.  Now they've put out a fundraising letter on their website and in an e-mail, because the Edwards campaign is foundering, the Edwards campaign is in trouble.  They need money.  Look, it's easy, you go on television, you finish, and somebody says, "You know what you shoulda said," and sometimes I've resented that, but if I would have been on that show last night and been ambushed by a guy's wife, the guy doesn't have the guts to call himself.  By the way, to skewer Ann Coulter for bringing up the death of their son, Wade, they're the ones that exploit their son's death.  I've got two pages of websites and links that I can establish and prove that these two are the ones exploiting their own son's death.  But here's the thing.  If I'm Ann Coulter what I coulda said or woulda said, "Well, what is this?  This is interesting, Chris, here I am as a guest on a national cable show hosted by you, a notorious left-winger, I am appearing willingly, even though I don't suspect ambushes like this, I'm not surprised that you've set one up.  Yet Mrs. Edwards, so glad you called, so nice to talk to you, so nice that your husband has your skirt to hide behind.  Your husband refuses to appear on Fox News in any format because he considers them hostile, he considers them invalid, and yet he sends you out to criticize me because I'm appearing on an enemy network.  So nice to have you call in, Mrs. Edwards, so that your husband can send you out to fight his battles.  This is some presidential quality that he is displaying here by having you go out and do this."  That's one of the things that I would have said. It's easy to come up with this stuff after the fact.  I'm not being critical of Ann Coulter.  She's my vice president on the 1/2 Hour News Hour on the Fox News Channel, and, you know, when I'm down in Cabo Wabo, sometimes she's running the country.  

Matthews is all over television today trying to score ratings out of all of this.  Ann Coulter got all kinds of applause for her comments last night, and Matthews couldn't believe that.  So he started treating these people as a bunch of Neanderthals and just like the way he was talking about Tennesseans during the election last November, when that Harold Ford ad was running, (paraphrasing) "When they're sitting there in the tavern at midnight on Friday drinking the long necks, when that ad comes on what do you think they're going to think?"  These elitist snobs set up this ambush and so forth, and Ann did not waver from it whatsoever.  It was cool.  It was good.  I mean, what Matthews said when she got applause last night, Matthews said, "What do we have, a Deliverance audience here?"  Incest, southern hayseed hicks, rolling down the river, Creedence Clearwater Revival, 1968, Proud Mary.

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RUSH: We'll get to the sound bites now, because I didn't want to leave you hanging on this.  Ann Coulter was set up on Hardball last night. Elizabeth Edwards, the wife of the Democrat presidential candidate, John Edwards, the Breck Girl, called in to implore Ann Coulter to stop being mean. They wanted her to be nice, stop the personal attacks.  I have comments on that aspect of it, but let's just go straight to the audio, and I want to set a couple things up that happened on Hardball last night with something that happened Monday on Good Morning America.  The cohost of that show, Chris Cuomo, was talking to Ann Coulter.  He said, "You said that you were joking about John Edwards and using that slur against gays, the F-word."

COULTER:  Oh, yeah, I wouldn't -- I wouldn't insult gays by comparing them to John Edwards.  That would be mean.  But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack.  So I've learned my lesson.  If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.

RUSH:  Now, let's go back, March 2nd, Real Time with Bill Maher.  His guests were Barney Frank, Joe Scarborough.  They're discussing comments posted on the Huffington Post expressing regret that the supposed assassination attempt in Afghanistan in February on Vice President Cheney failed.  Here's a portion of that exchange.

MAHER:  But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow.

SCARBOROUGH:  If someone on this panel said that they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say…

FRANK:  I think he did.

SCARBOROUGH:  Okay. Did you say…

MAHER:  No, no. I quoted that.

FRANK: You don’t believe that?

MAHER:  I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live.

RUSH:  The instance here was an assassination plot against Cheney, there's Bill Maher -- and of course nobody wants Bill Maher to shut up.  Only he did get fired by ABC for some comments.  But all this Fairness Doctrine talk and all of this -- of course he's on cable so it doesn't apply, but all the mean-spirited attacks, Maher somehow always escapes these criticisms, always does.  So now let's move forward to last night on Hardball.  During the interview with Ann Coulter, Elizabeth Edwards called in to the show and it was set up with NBC that she would call in.  Coulter was sandbagged.  She was set up, didn't know it, but it didn't faze her.  Chris Matthews says to Elizabeth after she called in, "Do you want to say something directly to the person who's with me?"

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:  In the South, when someone does something that displeases us, we ask them politely to stop doing it.  I'd like to ask Ann Coulter, too, if she wants to debate on issues, on positions, we certainly disagree with nearly everything she said on your show today, but it's quite another matter to -- for these personal attacks, the things that she has said over the years not just about John, but about other candidates, it lowers our -- our -- our political dialogue precisely at the time that we need to raise it.  So I want to use the opportunity, which I don't get much because Ann and I don't hang out with the same people, to ask her politely to stop the personal attacks.

COULTER:  Okay, so I made a joke, let's see, six months ago, and as you point out, they've been raising money off of it for six months.

RUSH:  Right.  Now, what's going on here is obvious, is it not?  This is just as I had a caller the other day, you are responsible for the Hispanics in this country not voting Republican, you're mean, you're not nice, and you're hateful rhetoric, and is this the same thing now.  In fact, I think this has Fairness Doctrine implications.  I think that this attitude from Elizabeth Edwards, you're too mean, you need to stop saying things the way you are saying them.  Meanwhile, all the viciousness that comes out of the mouths of Democrats is never mentioned.  They then had this exchange with one another.

COULTER:  I didn't say anything about him actually either time.

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:  Ann, you know -- you know that's not true, and once more, it's been going on for some time --

COULTER:  And I don't mind you trying to raise money, it's better this than giving $50,000 speeches to the poor just to use my name on the web pages, but as for a debate with me, yeah, sure, we'll have a debate.

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:   I'm asking you politely to stop -- stop personal attacks --

COULTER:  How about you start raising money on the web page, then?  No, you don't have to, because I don't mind.

ELIZABETH:  It did not start with that.  You had a column a number of years ago --

COULTER:  Okay, the wife of a presidential candidate is calling in asking me to stop speaking?  You're asking me to stop speaking?  Stop writing your columns. Stop writing your books.

ELIZABETH:  -- which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean's death and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said, "Ask me about my dead son."

COULTER:  That's -- now -- three years ago.

ELIZABETH:  -- dialogue.  It debases political dialogue, it draws people away from the process.

RUSH:  The fact of the matter is, it's the Edwards themselves, folks, have been exploiting the death of his son, not Ann Coulter.  I've got two pages here of examples, web links, quotes of the Edwardses doing this.  What I would have said is, "You know, this is really cool, Mrs. Edwards. Your husband doesn't have the guts to go on Fox. He's running for president.  That's not very presidential.  Sends you out, he hides behind your skirt, yet here I am with a liberal on a liberal cable network, not afraid to take your phone call.  I'm more qualified to be president than your husband." 

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RUSH:  I just saw that the Breck Girl is going to be on Hardball tonight on MSNBC, which begs a couple of questions.  "Are we going to be more interested in what he has to say or what his wife has to say?" and, "I wonder if they'll let Ann Coulter call in and sandbag John Edwards just as she was sandbagged last night by Mrs. Edwards?"  Let's go back in time, shall we?  Let's go back to our audio archives, October 5th, 2004, Cleveland, Ohio, a presidential debate.

THE BRECK GIRL:  I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter.  I think they love her very much.  And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter.

RUSH:  Now, what is that?  Kerry did the same thing, and then here came the Breck Girl.  That was a vicious personal attack, and it was aimed at the Republican Christian conservative base, who these clowns thought maybe didn't know that the vice president and his wife had a gay daughter, and it's all couched in this (Breck Girl impression), "I think the vice president, wife, love their daughter. I think they love her very much, but I..." whatever he said.  The day after this comment, the Breck Girl then sent out his wife, Elizabeth, to bash the Cheneys again.  This was on ABC Radio Network. Jim Hickey interviewed Elizabeth Edwards on October 14th.  This comment is about Lynne Cheney's remarks about Kerry's comments about Mary Cheney.

ELIZABETH:  I think that it indicates, uh, a certain degree of shame with respect to, uh, her daughter's, uhhh, sexual preferences.

RUSH:  Well, a little tag-team action going on here.  The Breck Girl goes out and talks about what a wonderful couple the Cheneys are. Why, they are not afraid to speak publicly -- and then Lynne Cheney said what John Kerry said about their daughter being gay was uncalled for, was not part of the campaign, did not raise the civility of the debate.  So Edwards' wife goes out and says, "It indicates a certain degree of shame with respect to their daughter's sexual preference."  Of course, ladies and gentlemen, that's not a vicious personal attack, and that's not lowering the discourse of American politics -- and let's go back to 2004 again, October 11th, in Iowa.  This is the Breck Girl himself.

THE BRECK GIRL:  If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk -- get up out of that wheelchair and walk again!

RUSH:  Now, that was not being nice.  That is mean, that is passing on information to people, giving them false hope that stem cell research -- which Bush, by the way, was doing; you know the drill on this -- misleading all these people with spinal injuries that only when John Kerry is president will they walk again.  It's like Michael J. Fox and his ads during the last election about Parkinson's Disease. It's the same thing. These are not nice people. These are mean people.  This whole episode, by the way, there are two reasons why it was orchestrated, this thing on Hardball. They're running out of money at the Edwards campaign, and he's not doing all that hot.  They've had two big fundraising days.  The last one was when Elizabeth had the press conference announcing that she had cancer, or her cancer had come back. I forget what the previous one was, but I've been watching Pat Buchanan today talk about this, and he's exactly right.  Pat Buchanan said there's no question what this is.  This is a sympathy play.  It is a play for pity.  The Edwardses are not these weak-minded, dispirited little people that can't handle hardball in politics.  This is just a sympathy play.  The second thing it is, it falls right in line with this effort to characterize conservative speech as "unbalanced, unfair, mean-spirited, extreme. We need to regulate it."  Here's one more little exchange between Ann Coulter and Elizabeth Edwards last night.

An audience member said, "Why isn't John Edwards making this call?"

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:  Yeah, why isn't John Edwards making this call?

MATTHEWS:  Well, do you want to respond? We'll end this conversation.

ELIZABETH:  I -- I haven't talked to John about this call. 

COULTER: I think this is just another attempt for --

ELIZABETH EDWARDS:  I -- I -- I -- I'm making this call as a mother.

COULTER: (laughs)

ELIZABETH EDWARDS: I'm -- I am -- I'm the mother of that boy who died.  I -- my children participate.  These young people behind you are the age of my children.  You're asking them to participate in a dialogue that's based on hatefulness and ugliness, instead of on the issues, and I don't think that serves them or this country very well.  

MATTHEWS:  Thank you very much, Elizabeth Edwards.  So you want to...? You have all the time in the world to respond.

COULTER:  I think we heard all we need to hear.  The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking.  No!

RUSH:  Now, I want to wave these two pieces of paper at you when I say that it's Edwards who has been exploiting his son's death, not Coulter.  There's a link here from Front Page News: "Edwards' public success spotlights son's death."  They used it again at the end of 2003 in Edwards' own piece called "Four Trials."  Another one: "Running for his son, teen's death changed Edwards' life."  The Edwards press machine was making an issue in 2004, acting as if they're finally opening up about it, but they were on record talking about the death of their son in 2001.  Then again in the Chicago Tribune in 2005, Edwards pretends he's finally opening up about his son's death: "Throughout his campaign for president and then vice president in '04, former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina made it clear the death of his teenaged son in a car accident was off limits, not for discussion, in the political context."  They're the ones that have been talking about this.  "But now his wife Elizabeth sent an e-mail to supporters voicing connection that she shares with Cindy Sheehan."  This is in the Chicago Trib article two years ago.  

"As Sheehan was camped near Bush's ranch protesting the war, Edwards called on her own family's backers to support Sheehan and in a departure from a campaign trail silence that the Edwards have kept about the death their 16-year-old son, Elizabeth Edwards noted that Sheehan son Casey died in Iraq eight years to the day after her own son," and then here the Edwards are in 2006 using it with Oprah and her dim-witted audience.  "Book saves memory of son, Edwards tells Oprah."  Here's John again, "finally opening open up." It was like characterized as finally, after all these painful years, finally opening up after his son's death.  Yet he's been opening up for four or five years in a row -- and of course the Edwards campaign site loves to bring it up also: "A tribute to Wade Edwards."  That's what Elizabeth Edwards called last night about, to get Ann Coulter to stop talking about their son's death and exploiting it, and she's written about it in a column six months ago, and then today: "Dear friend, last night I had an important talk with Ann Coulter, and I want to tell you what happened.  How did she respond?  Sadly, perhaps predictably, with more personal attacks.  John's campaign's about the issues, but pundits like Ann Coulter are trying to shout him down.  If they'll not stop, it's up to us to cut through the noise.  Help us fight back.  Please give what you can today.  There are just over three days left to hit our $9 million goal for the end of the quarter.  If we make it, we can directly reach voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, and all over the country with our detailed plans on the issues that matter.  Why do Ann Coulter and other right-wing pundits keep attacking John?  Because John's bold, specific plan hits them where it hurts: solving global warming, ending the war, building a fair economy. John's agenda threatens everything these talking heads and their corporate cronies stand for, and they know John can win, but we need your help to hit our goal. Please give what you can today."

The whole thing is about money.  The whole thing.  That's the best script they could come up with -- and it's Elizabeth Edwards today, dated today. They sent that out on a blast e-mail, and I guess they put it on their website as well.  

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The Hill: Edwards camp again turns to cash cow Coulter
AP: Ms. Edwards Asks Coulter to Stop Attacks
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BH: Running for his son: Teen's death changed Edwards' life
John Edwards on Principles & Values: Lost teenage son in a traffic accident
CT: Edwards Using Son's Death As Political Tool

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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 3:05am.

one interview alone than John and Elizabeth Edwards have done put together in my opinion!

David Shuster also kept John and Elizabeth honest about their using Ann Coulter to fundraise!

John and Elizabeth Edwards may have received a small short-term fundraising bump out of this incident but they actually empowered the other side by starting a fight that they did not finish!

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=9ac1623c-cfa1-4e8c-8fb4-32b6ea4d8ad7&p=Source_Hardball&t=c1150&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/&fg= (05:01)

June 27: Edwards vs. Coulter fall-out; Hardball video of David Shuster on the fallout

Here is the transcript of this video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19482788/

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for June 27
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show

Guests: John Edwards, Chuck Todd, Lois Romano, Ron Christie, Armstrong Williams

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: But only one story is rocking this city tonight, and that‘s the clash between Ann Coulter and Elizabeth Edwards here last night. HARDBALL‘s David Shuster has a report on the anatomy of the feud.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MATTHEWS: Elizabeth Edwards, go on the line—you‘re in the line with Ann Coulter.

DAVID SHUSTER, HARDBALL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was dramatic, confrontational and the newest chapter in a bitter political feud that began four years ago.

ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, “GODLESS”: Yes, we‘ll have a debate.

ELIZABETH EDWARDS, WIFE OF JOHN EDWARDS: I‘m asking you politely to stop personal attacks...

COULTER: And how about you stop raising money from the Web page!

(CROSSTALK)

SHUSTER: In November 2003, Ann Coulter wrote a column attacking John Edwards and accusing him of using his son‘s death for political gain. Coulter wrote, “If you want points for not using your son‘s death politically, don‘t you have to take down all those ‘Ask me about my son‘s death in a horrific car accident‘ bumper stickers?”

The shocking comments ignited a political firestorm. Earlier this year, Coulter continued to target Edwards by using a derogatory word to describe him at a conservative political conference.

COULTER: But it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you use the word (DELETED), so...

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

SHUSTER: On Monday, Coulter stepped up the attacks on Edwards again while plugging her latest book.

COULTER: I wouldn‘t insult gays by comparing them to John Edwards. That would be mean. But about the same time, you know, Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack. So I‘ve learned my lesson. If I‘m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I‘ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.

SHUSTER: The Edwards campaign immediately cashed in on the controversy by featuring it on their Web site in a fund-raising appeal. While the campaign was raising money, though, Elizabeth Edwards decided to confront Coulter herself.

ELIZABETH EDWARDS: We can‘t have a debate about issues if you‘re using this kind of language.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) making this call?

COULTER: Yes, why isn‘t John Edwards making this call?

MATTHEWS: Well, do you want to respond (INAUDIBLE) end this conversation.

ELIZABETH EDWARDS: I haven‘t talked to John about this call.

SHUSTER: Every major blog and Web site that covers politics and covers the news has featured the video, from The Drudge Report to Huffingtonpost to TVNewser. And the downloads keep coming on YouTube.

COULTER: But as for a debate with me, yes, sure.

COULTER: Coulter has a lengthy record of provoking critics and making new enemies, all of which fuels her notoriety and book sales. Shortly after 9/11, she referred to the Muslim world and said, quote, “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”

While covering the 2004 Democratic convention for “USA Today,” Coulter began one article with, “Here at the spawn of Satan convention in Boston.” Last year, Coulter attacked the 9/11 widows known as the “Jersey girls.” Quote, “These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them. I‘ve never seen people enjoying their husbands‘ deaths so much.”

So how did the Ann Coulter/Elizabeth Edwards confrontation happen? Before Tuesday‘s HARDBALL appearance, MSNBC promoted that viewer comments and questions would be part of the program.

TAMMY HADDAD, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, HARDBALL: The Edwards campaign called to ask if it was possible that Elizabeth could talk to Ann Coulter live on the air, and we told them yes.

SHUSTER: In turn, Haddad had a conversation with Coulter.

HADDAD: I talked to Ann before the show and told her that we had gotten a call from the Edwards campaign and that Elizabeth might call in. And she was fine with it.

SHUSTER: In the third block of the show, Elizabeth Edwards was patched in.

COULTER: ... just another...

ELIZABETH EDWARDS: I‘m making this call as a mother. I‘m the mother of that boy who died. My children participate. These young people behind you are the age of my children. You‘re asking them to participate in a dialogue that‘s based on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues, and I don‘t think that‘s serving them or this country very well.

COULTER: I think we heard all we need to hear. The wife of a presidential candidate is asking me to stop speaking. No!

MATTHEWS: No, she said you should stop being so negative to people individually.

COULTER: Right, as opposed to bankrupting doctors by giving a shyster Las Vegas routine in front of juries based on...

MATTHEWS: OK...

SHUSTER: This morning, the confrontation got more air time on the “Today” show.

MATTHEWS: My hunch is that in human terms, Elizabeth Edwards has won this round.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth has won.

MATTHEWS: That‘s right.

SHUSTER: The attention is just what the Edwards campaign was hoping for, according to MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan.

PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: You want to get into fights with people who are terribly unpopular with the constituency you‘re after, so people will say, Good, the Edwardses are after Ann Coulter. She really deserves it. Good for them. They‘re standing up to the beast, as it were.

SHUSTER (on camera): The Edwards campaign is also raising more money off of Coulter. Today, the campaign added another fund-raising appeal on their Web site featuring a video clip of Coulter‘s appearance on HARDBALL.

As for Coulter, she is also benefiting from the confrontation. Over the last 24 hours, sales of her latest book have soared.

I‘m David Shuster for HARDBALL in Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

MATTHEWS: Thank you, David Shuster...

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 4:20am.

He has absolutely no clue about how to seriously "fight back" against against being defined like this by the other side!

Here is what I think that John Edwards or any other Democrat MUST be able to articulate to the entire country in order to be able to effectively and credibly "fight back" against this kind of attack:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12577

ANALYSIS: How Rudy Giuliani is politically using the car bombs found in London!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 3:46am.

You cannot seriously "fight back" against this kind of attack by fundraising alone and by starting fights with people that you do not finish which only helps to empower them:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070207/content/01125110.guest.html.guest.html

No War on Terror, Breck Girl?

July 2, 2007

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RUSH: I want to go back and play a little montage for you back on May 23rd in New York City, the Breck Girl, John Edwards, speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations.

EDWARDS:  The war on terror is a slogan designed only for politics.  It is not a strategy to make America safe.  It's a bumper sticker, not a plan.  It has damaged our alliances and has weakened our standing in the world.

RUSH:  CNN is reporting that the Glasgow attack, the Jeep Cherokee, the flaming SUV that went into the airport there, was staged by the same men who drove the car bombs in London.  By the way, they did try to detonate them.  The cell phones didn't work.  For some reason their cell phone connection didn't work when they tried to detonate the bombs, but they tried. "British authorities have arrested two more men in connection with the series of failed attacks, and they have concluded that Al-Qaeda planned and launched the attacks.  Authorities suspect that the two men who rammed an explosives laden vehicle into Glasgow's airport on Saturday are the same people who parked two car bombs in central London, a day earlier."  In addition, what we've also learned about this is that the United States two weeks ago had advance knowledge -- this is ABC News -- they said that the US warned the UK of an imminent attack at Glasgow two weeks ago.  So nobody has any doubts now that that was Islamofascists, and nobody has any doubts that it was Al-Qaeda.  So John Edwards is out there, "Oh, the war on terror, a bumper sticker, why, it's just a slogan designed only for politics.  It doesn't really exist."  

How do you think we found out about this attack on Glasgow two weeks in advance?  You think it might be the monitoring of these guys' phone calls that the Democrats want to shut down?  What might explain this?  How do we find this out?  Democrats are hell-bent on closing Club Gitmo, and they want to turn all of the terrorists that are down there, who are still useful as intelligence sources no matter how long they've been there, the way intelligence is gathered is something that -- this is an intel success story, Gitmo is, an they want to shut it down and they want all of those terrorists, those prisoners of war, if you will, to be brought into the United States legal system.  Hasn't that been demonstrated to be the ineffective way to conduct a war on terror?  It's folly.  This is why the Democrats are really vulnerable on this.  They do not take this seriously.  In the midst of what happened over the weekend in the UK, they're still talking about closing Gitmo and bringing all these prisoners in and giving them legal rights, habeas corpus and all that, and of course nobody in the Drive-By will ask John Edwards, "Well, what about these comments that the war on terror is just a bumper sticker?"  In fact, we have even more.  Sunday, June 3rd, at the Democrat debate in New Hampshire, it was on CNN, Wolf Blitzer said, "Let me let you clarify what you said the other day.  You said the war on terror is a bumper sticker, not a plan.  With the news yesterday, this alleged plot at JFK which could have done horrendous damage and caused an incredible number of casualties, do you believe the US is not at war with terrorists?"

EDWARDS:  I reject this bumper sticker, Wolf, and that's exactly what it is, is a bumper sticker.  As president of the United, States I will do absolutely everything to find terrorists where they are, to stop them before they can do harm to us before they can do harm to America or to its allies.  Every tool available:  military, alliances, intelligence, I will use.  But what this global war on terror bumper sticker, political slogan, that's all it is, that's all it was intended to do, was for George Bush to use it to justify everything he does.  The ongoing war in Iraq, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, spying on Americans, torture, none of those things are okay.  They are not the United States of America.

RUSH:  And none of them are as the Breck Girl portrays them, none of them are.  That's just a left-wing mantra.  It is a mantra of the far-left fringe kook base.  I think the Breck Girl actually believes it, though, I think he's doing more than pandering.  But then, later on, on last Friday's Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, his guest via satellite was Elizabeth Edwards, she had to come to his rescue again, and Blitzer said, "Your husband caused a stir recently when he suggested that the war on terror is really nothing more than a bumper sticker.  Given what's happening in London today, two car bombs found, what do you make of the criticism he's faced because he seemed to be suggesting there really wasn't much of a war on terrorism?"

MRS. EDWARDS:  I think that it's easy to misconstrue what John said.  His intent -- he believes that there are terrorists out there and that we need a concerted effort to where certainly everyone applauds the work of London police and London law enforcement officials who discovered these bombs and the work that was done obviously as a predicate to finding them.  But when we use words like a war on terror, we create an awfully big frame, and what it's done is whenever somebody objects to torture or objects to spying on American citizens or objects to the ignoring of the Geneva Conventions --

RUSH:  Stop the tape a second.  Stop the tape.  This torture thing has gotten out of control.  Club Gitmo is legitimate.  Spying on American citizens was never what was happening.  It was not what was going on.  The administration just doesn't do a very good job of explaining all this, particularly the PR case they could make about how great the intelligence gathering at Club Gitmo has been.  And the Geneva Conventions, for crying out loud, anybody with a brain knows that terrorists are not subject to it.  They are not granted those protections, even though the pressure has been brought by leftists in this country to include terrorists who do not fits the definition in any way, shape, manner, or form, bring them in under the umbrella of the Geneva Conventions.  She has to know that.  Well, I say that, but maybe she doesn't.  Maybe she really doesn't.  But anyway, she's out there having to pick up all the mess that her husband makes, to straighten out what he said, and to try to explain -- here's the rest of the bite.

MRS. EDWARDS:  -- they get hit over the head with this language, "but there's a war on terror."  There are terrorists, but it's when we have a -- this slogan, it stops us from behaving the way we ought to and it's used as a weapon against those who would like to complain about some of the methods.

RUSH:  Now, Blitzer wanted to clarify the Edwards position, and he continues with this leading question.

BLITZER:  If he were president of the United States he would vigorously go out after those terrorists?

MRS. EDWARDS:  Absolutely.  He said that at every turn.  And one of the terrorists he'd go after, I have to say, is Osama bin Laden.  You know, somehow we seem to have lost track, when we made this great big frame, we lost track of the fellow that we should have been going after with a laser.

RUSH:  Well, let me take a break here, folks, before I blow a gasket.  I should know not to let this stuff irritate and agitate me as much as it does, but sometimes even I have my boundaries fail. 

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RUSH:  And here's the latest on the non-war on terror.  From Sky News, one of the men involved in the failed terror attack on Glasgow airport was an Iraqi doctor who trained in Baghdad.  Sources name the man as Bilal Abdulla.  "He was left relatively unscathed in the incident, pictured being led away from the explosion by police. He worked at the Royal Alexandra Hospital near Glasgow.  Police blew up a second suspect car outside the hospital on Monday - the first car was detonated on Sunday.  The other man detained at Glasgow airport had severe burns and remains in a critical condition at the Royal Alexandra - he was in the flaming jeep that was driven at one of the airport terminals.Meanwhile, Mohammed Asha, 26, has been named as a man arrested on the M6 on Saturday night.  The Jordanian was detained with a woman of 27 dressed in traditional Muslim dress, believed to be his wife, on the M6 near Sandbach in Cheshire."

The Daily Mail has a little bit more about this.  An Iraqi junior doctor and a brilliant neurologist working for the national health services are among the suspects being quizzed over the series of bomb attacks across Britain, it emerged today.  The junior doctor named as Bilal Abdulla, is said to have completed his medical training in Baghdad.  The suspected ringleader of the Al-Qaeda car bomber is a "brilliant neurologist" working for the NHS.  Saudi Mohammed Asha, 26, arrested with his wife, as you just heard.  You'd have to say they're homegrown.  They're living and working there, and they are respected in their professions, or let me put it this way:  They are in respected professions.  But they're clearly Al-Qaeda, and they trained in Baghdad.  Now, terrorists trained in Baghdad.  How can that be?  I thought there was no reason for us to be -- oh, I know, because if we hadn't gone to Iraq, then Baghdad would not have become terrorist central, and of course then these guys could not have been trained.  They might not even be terrorists if we hadn't gone to Baghdad.  That's how it will play out.  That's the latest news on the non-war on terror, according to the John and Elizabeth Edwards campaign. 

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Read the Background Material...

NYT: Elizabeth Edwards?s Illness Doesn?t Quell Her Influence

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/us/politics/01edwards.html?hp

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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 4:33am.

How will John Edwards ever be able to credibly "fight back" against this if he is nominated? I do not see how he can!

http://www.drudgereport.com/

John Edwards's $1,250 haircut! [with travel expenses]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/04/AR2007070401258_pf.html

Splitting Hairs, Edwards's Stylist Tells His Side of Story

Man Behind Pricey 'Dos Details Long Relationship

By John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 4, 2007; C01

For four decades, Joseph Torrenueva has cut the hair of Hollywood celebrities, from Marlon Brando to Bob Barker, so when a friend told him in 2003 that a presidential candidate needed grooming advice, he agreed to help.

The Beverly Hills hairstylist, a Democrat, said he hit it off with then-Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina at a meeting in Los Angeles that brought several fashion experts together to advise the candidate on his appearance. Since then, Torrenueva has cut Edwards's hair at least 16 times.

At first, the haircuts were free. But because Torrenueva often had to fly somewhere on the campaign trail to meet his client, he began charging $300 to $500 for each cut, plus the cost of airfare and hotels when he had to travel outside California.

Torrenueva said one haircut during the 2004 presidential race cost $1,250 because he traveled to Atlanta and lost two days of work.

"He has nice hair," the stylist said of Edwards in an interview. "I try to make the man handsome, strong, more mature and these are the things, as an expert, that's what we do."

It is some kind of commentary on the state of American politics that as Edwards has campaigned for president, vice president and now president again, his hair seems to have attracted as much attention as, say, his position on health care. But when his campaign reported in April that it had paid for two of his haircuts at $400 each, the political damage was immediate. With each punch line on late night TV his image as a self-styled populist making poverty his signature issue was further eroded.

Edwards said that he was embarrassed by the cost and that he "didn't know it would be that expensive," suggesting the haircuts were some kind of aberration given by "that guy" his staff had arranged. His wife, Elizabeth, made lots of jokes at her husband's expense and the campaign wished the whole issue would go away.

But Torrenueva's account of his long relationship with Edwards -- the first he's given -- probably guarantees that won't happen quite yet. And if $400 seemed a lot for a haircut, how about one for three times that?

Asked for a comment, the Edwards campaign said this week that Edwards had arranged for the stylist to give him numerous cuts over the past four years. But it said that a personal assistant handled paying for the haircuts and that Edwards didn't realize how much they cost.

"Breaking news -- John Edwards got some expensive haircuts and probably didn't pay enough attention to the bills," said spokeswoman Colleen Murray. "He didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction or spring Scooter Libby; he just got some expensive haircuts."

In the days after the $400 haircut first caused a stir, Torrenueva did not give many details about his client to reporters who called or came by his Beverly Hills salon. But Torrenueva says he was hurt by Edwards's response to all the flap.

"I'm disappointed and I do feel bad. If I know someone, I'm not going to say I don't know them," he said. "When he called me 'that guy,' that hit my ears. It hurt." He paused and then added, "I still like him. . . . I don't want to hurt him."

Torrenueva said he normally charges men $175 when they come to his salon for a haircut. But the cost for Edwards went up because the stylist had to leave his shop and go on the road to do his haircuts.

Edwards is certainly not the first politician to face ridicule when his or her grooming habits caught the public's eye. It took a long time for President Bill Clinton to live down the haircut he received from the stylist Christophe of Beverly Hills while Air Force One was parked on an airport runway in Los Angeles. And Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had her own minor version of the Edwards treatment after her Senate campaign spent nearly $3,000 in fees and travel for two sessions with stylist Isabelle Goetz.

While Democrats seem to get the most attention, Republicans have not been completely immune. Campaign aides to former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, the best-coiffed Republican candidate in the presidential race and the wealthiest of all the hopefuls, fretted in an internal document that his well-tended locks may be considered a negative. He has assured Massachusetts reporters that he spends no more than $50 for a trim...

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 4:59am.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/9424

ANALYSIS: Keeping moderate Republicans at home if they won't vote for a Democrat

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 3, 2006 - 9:26am.

A key quote about Ann Coulter quoted in this post (one year ago today, 7/5/06) talking about Neoconservative arrogance where she she does not recognize the existence of the political middle:

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15912&o=ANN001

Ann Coulter

Top Secret Interview Exposed!
by Ann Coulter
Posted Jul 05, 2006

NY POST: Do you believe there is a political middle? If so, how would you define it?

A: There is no more a "political middle" than there is a family in America with 2.3 children. People with opinions take sides. Contrary to what you've heard, it's actually more important to stand for something than it is for everybody to "just get along."

Submitted by guitrock on July 5, 2007 - 2:37pm.

Ann Coulter does not deserve to be recognized seriously by anyone. If the Edwards had wanted to respond to her idiotic remarks, they should have just pointed out that they expected such crap to come from the mouth of a hatemonger. That's who she is and she is irrelevant. To engage Coultergeist (a la Keith Olbermann) directly by pleading to her to stop personal attacks is giving her credence she does not deserve.

I think it's horribly frightening that millions of people listen to Rush Limbaugh and many buy Ann Coulter's books. Nevertheless, Edwards and others attacked by people like these two should respond in kind. When Joe Biden was asked about Dick Cheney's opposition to one of Biden's positions on the war, Biden said "who cares?" Cheney is irrelevant and has no support with the American people. Right answer. General Clark was asked about a Drudge report one time, and he said he doesn't respond to right-wing rags (or something to that effect). Obama had a great response to a Fox Noise (Keith again) report about his so-called Muslim upbringing. He exposed the lies, named the people responsible, and condemned their irresponsible behavior.

I also agree with the assessment of how General Clark treated Hannity and the others on Fox. He was firm but factual, and he dismissed petty remarks for what they were. But John Edwards is not Wes Clark, by any stretch of the imaginiation.

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 5:52pm.

"The right wing is running scared."

John and Elizabeth Edwards have actually empowered Ann Coulter and her extreme right wing Neocon activist pals as I have credibly documented in the post above!

On Iraq, John Edwards is focused almost exclusively on troop levels and time tables instead of having a specific plan about about how to get us out of Iraq in a responsible manner engaging in the right kind of regional diplomacy and dialogue:

http://johnedwards.com/

On the Campaign Trail


Stand Firm On Iraq
Bush has vetoed funding for our troops—tell Congress: hold firm

http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/iraq/


Ann Coulter Attacks!
The right wing is running scared - watch Coulter's disturbing new attack

http://johnedwards.com/rightwing/

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2007 - 8:59pm.

know when to quit and stop empowering Coulter, unless she is absolutely desperate to just keep on using her for fundraising purposes):

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/5/124126.shtml?s=ic

Thursday, July 5, 2007 12:39 a.m. EDT

Elizabeth Edwards Criticizes Ann Coulter Again

Elizabeth Edwards is continuing her war of words with Ann Coulter over what's appropriate to say.

Edwards, the wife of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, is upset over comments by conservative author Coulter, who made a remark that Edwards interpreted as saying it would be fine with her if Edwards were to be "killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

Coulter says it should be obvious to anyone who actually heard her comment that she was using sarcasm to make a point about humorist Bill Maher, who had said he wished Vice President Dick Cheney had been killed in a bomb attack.

Interviewed Thursday on the CBS "Early Show," the candidate's wife said it didn't used to be all right for people to "call names, to say these hateful kind of things." Edwards said as a parent, she doesn't think it should be allowed to happen now.

She also defended the use of Coulter's comments as a fund-raising tool by the Edwards campaign. She said it's showing what they're asking voters to reject.

Edwards said decent people can win the elimination of meanness and hatred from political discourse the same way they got rid of racist dialogue from civil speech in the South.

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