What the pre conditions were.

Kevin

Washington Woman

http://washingtonwoman.blogspot.com

Elect Marty Campbell

http://electcampbell.org

or maybe not.

For my part, I don't need to know; and I'm perfectly OK with never knowing.

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.

"Aye, aye, sir"?? Are you allowed to say that to a general? :)

Barry
Are you safer today than you were six years ago?©

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

I assume that is what Eric Massa told him. Please don't anyone forget Eric's campaign. I am a little down by this turn of events, but it wasn't unexpected. I wI will continue to follow Wes's lead. He's never been wrong.

Roger that, Sir.

;)

so many people are on the other side of that equation; restricting calories ..... grrrrrr

I can look forward to my sour - bitter food diet - anti inflammatory (dandelion leaves, sour krut, plain yogurt side dishes to EVERYTHING  which is working out quite well )  yet I feel cool peach sorbet happening in my immediate future;   

You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.  synthetic environment

Clearsky would be kind enough to eat some comfort food for all of us.

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At least if he had endorsed Dodd I could get some sleep, but HILLARY?! Woe is me. I truly can't overstate my disappointment in him for thinking she's the best person for the job. It'll be even sadder if he didn't endorse Dodd because he's not a top tier candidate at the moment.

But since you did such a nice job of summarizing my feelings, I'll just throw in a "ditto."

I will do everything in my power to fight against her nomination...

Anyone who says they "hate" Hillary is simply a pawn for the PNAC. Shame on you. I knew with the Ken Starr pack of Hyenas shredding our President Bill, that many people would cave in and believe the Newt --et al--game going on. I never got suckered. I saw right through it with great rage and grief what these beasts were doing to our democracy and our two party system, and getting away with it by playing a sideways game of sex scandal, and how slimy their game plan was to destroy progressive politicians to make way for the One World Order that Newt's Contract ON America served.

I've been at war with the Neocons ever since that moment when Newt began his character-assassination campaign on the Clintons, and paid attention to who exactly was funding this wickedness and watched how easily the public got suckered into hating the Clintons when they were actually victims of a very dirty highly financed character-assassination game.

These unconscionable Neocons who will go for winning at all costs, with no integrity or true moral base, and lie pathologically without a qualm, are also sadistic, and actually get a weird perverted sense of bully glee pantsing Bill Clinton in front of the world , and smashing Hillary with relentless campaigns of misinformation, venomous gossip, ugly labels that aren’t true about her at all—but heard over and over and over by the spin venomists so often repeated for years
by Rush, dittoheads, Hannity, Coulter, O’Reilly, etc, that people begin to believe the utter lies, unless they’re extremely vigilant and aware of being in the presence of propaganda and let it roll off, fully aware that the ugly words, lousy unfounded character defects, negative opinions, etc, are not based on a shred of fact, in fact those who know her and have worked closely with her say she has a great personality, great sense of humor, is a good person, and nothing at all like the portrait the Neocreeps have painted of her for 15 years.

Anyway, Hillary haters, you're suckers. Wake up. If you want' your country back you'll have to finally stand with the Clintons and sling some back on the wicked PNAC propaganda machine ever-working to mow her down. If you don’t stand up for her, they win. You’re like some moral coward caught in the mob-rule psychosis of imbeciles lead by a sadist to stone a woman, or beat up a woman, or abuse a woman in some way, and DO NOTHING, and even JUSTIFY IT because you’re too AFRAID TO STAND UP TO THAT KIND OF WICKEDNESS THAT WOULD DO THAT TO HER, so you find it easier to just believe the LIES and pick them up to throw them around yourself.

about him, and try to emulate, is his great diplomatic skill.

"hate" was never once used in Nocore's post.

Not once did he say anything about hating her.

You're not going to get very far in helping your candidate if you have the "you either love Hillary or you hate her" mentality which unfortunately sounds much too much like a favorite neocon phrase ..."you're either with us or you're against us." And that's exactly what your post sounds like.

you are not one to lecture others, considering your approach to addressing people here.

I suppose I could bother to reprimand you for the tone of your post, but it seems self-undermining enough. I'd just be piling on.

I would, however, like to draw your attention to some considerations:

- The Neo-cons did not make Hillary vote for the Iraq War- the single greatest strategic failure in American history. She did that herself.
- The Neo-cons did not make Hillary a driving member of the DLC- an organization founded on the idea that Democrats need to move away from the Progressive Left. She did that herself.
- The Neo-cons did not draft Hillary's free trade positions- it just seems like it. She did that herself.
- The Neo-cons did not force Hillary into a half-hearted commitment to labor. She did that herself.
- The Neo-cons are not the ones keeping Hillary from paying anything more than passing lipservice to the climate crisis. She does that herself.
- The Neo-cons aren't the ones who made Hillary have a 70.2% liberal rating last year. Yes, she sided with conservatives on nearly 30% of her votes. And she did that herself.
- The Neo-cons aren't the ones making Hillary- more than any Democrat in America other than Lieberman- saber rattle with Iran. She's doing that herself.
- The Neo-cons didn't force Hillary into an embrace of Dick Morrison-ian focus group politics. She did that herself.
- The Neo-cons aren't forcing Hillary to take money from lobbyists. She does that herself.

I could go on an on, but I have guests at the moment; I do need to be getting back. The fact of the matter is that none of the above are lies. None of the above are the fictions of Ken Starr or Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh or some "sadistic" anti-feminist. They are simply Hillary's actuality. These are facts beyond debate. They represent her official record.

I continue to support General Clark, and I hope to see him in as senior a position as possible in the next administration. And I will continue to advocate for this passionately.

But I am not an authoritarian follower personality. Noone with any healthy sense of themselves should agree 100% on everything with anyone else on the planet. Friends and allies will always have issues on which they disagree. I wouldn't want any other kind of friend. I disagree with the General that Hillary is our best choice. But I'm not a purist; I appreciate a good strategist, and I believe that Wes is moving ahead with a specific intentionality. I can respect that.

That said, I will continue to traverse the dual role of advocating for the General and against Hillary. And there is nothing undermining about this. Regardless of the endorsement, any Democrat who wins will want Wes in a senior post.

I continue to support Wes Clark for VP... and short of that, for Secretary of State. And I continue to oppose Hillary's nomination.

I totally agree with you that Hillary "would start to right our ship of state & pull down the pirate flag." I think we can all glean great hope and excitement thinking of the teams she'll build which we know will include Wes Clark. As you say "she needs much more shoring up," and I think that primarily must come from ALL of us. Not many people realize she's a victim of what's known in psychology as "leveling." It’s a form of trying to destroy someone whose power, strengths, and talents make the lesser person envious, so they resort to this form of character-assassination known as “leveling.” Hillary is too bright, knowledgeable, experienced, powerful, full of integrity, fearless in talking truth to power, for these creepy Neocons and Media sops to handle, so they attempt to cut her off at the knees to lower her stature in their repulsive effort to try to make themselves look less sleasy than she makes them appear to be when they are compared to her character traits and capabilities. They’re incompetent little girlie men. Her femininity is the real stuff, like a Tiger mother, a lioness, who can do all the heavy lifting. The Neocon weasels, Newt, Rush, Savage, Ailes, Mellon-Scaife, Sam Fox, Ghoulter, inHammity, O’Really, Murdock, etc. are terrified of her because they know they are nothing but a hateful sniveling bunch of fat weasels she can eat for lunch.

To counteract this "leveling" campaign waged relentlessly against her by the Newt-assassin/Rove-Swiftboater/Rush-lieVenom strategies of the Neocreeps focused and well -financed to take down any and all powerful Progressive politicians, we have to slam the slanderers now, smack them back the instant they lay out a word of negativity about Hillary.

I'll blow out the tires of the Neocon Hate-Clintons-Propaganda Machine-tank used to destroy Progressive politicians any time I get the chance. Wake up, friends. It's not just about Hillary Hate, she's just the scapegoat for the entire Neocon agenda of decimating Progressive politics and a two party system. You think she doesn't know this after all of the years of what she's been through? You think she hasn't figured out after years of this crap how to deal with these beasts?

She looks quite Centrist, does she not? Doesn't that translate in this far rightwing dumbed-down America as "electable" since the word "Liberal" is thoroughly now demonized in the collective thanks to Newt's program to demonize the word (he gave instructions on how to denigrate Democrats, made lists of bad words to call them: "loopy," "demoncrat," pin heads, wimps, flip floppers, etc. Newt made a list of over 50 words he instructed all speech writers and media people to use to subliminally repetitively brainwash the pubic to those negative ideations of the Clintons.

Time to fight back, with our strategically placed "centrist" Hillary Clinton who has deep roots in the Visionary Humanitarian Generation that fought like hell for human rights and WON--until these Republican bastards ran their coup and have rolled back rights for which my generation fought long and hard.

Wes Clark knows these things. He's a warrior on this right fight. President Hillary Clinton represents righting a hell of a lot of wrongs, not just the present disastrous course CheneyCo navigated our Ship of State, but our entire American Conscience. She'll fix the Corporatist nightmare by helping us create voter owned (with one vote each) Sustainable Living corporations we all own--kicking out of reality the polluters and war-profiteering MIC,

And if thinking people who truly love what America was meant to stand for, understand what really happened the minute the Clintons took office in Bill’s terms, they'll this instant begin undoing the damage done to the Progressives, Bill and Hillary by Newt and the Neocons, by our creating massive counter campaign to null and void the hate campaigns, and now massively activate the “I Love Hillary” stuff to get it out there, WITH FACTS, to upset the vile vicious evil applecart full of lies the brute radical reichwing has been wheeling around for far too long, dumbing us down, destroying America and stinking up the place.

It's NOT Hillary that deserves the Hate, It's the HATE MONGERS, like Newt, everyone on Fox News, Rush, Mellon-Scaife--aw the whole lot of dumbasses who stay identified with the term Republican—the Corporatists who pay huge money to keep the likes of Hillary Clinton out of the Oval Office. Then once she’s in office, we’ll have to protect her. She’s not just Hillary. She represents a huge treasury of human rights and empowering the people, who also understands that it is a very few merchant bankers who own all the huge corporations that control all governments, and decide the wars, and she has to DEAL with it. She won’t get blindsided this time.

We've heard the Rove/Karen-Hughes invented talking points about "girlie men" Democrats, implying the Republicans are such macho powerful "He-men." Oooooow, wow, aren't we all sooooo impressed by Bush's "Bring it On!" bully tactics? The big brass balled swaggering arrogance of the Fearmongering fukwit Chimpy McLiar has so impressed the whole world, and mastermind such brilliant policies domestically and internationally. Sheesh.

Time for someone with a big set of brass OVARIES and a Brain with lots of Experience, with lots of superb and brilliant and respectful men around her to make things happen this time. Yes, I drank the HillBill Kewlaid. YUM! (Hey, Newt, Rush, Hannity, Coultergeist, Turdblossom, et al—WATCH OUT! We’re turning your “Hate Hillary” machine back on you all with a big heave ho. You wicked clowns are chipped beef on toast! Newt, have you heard what they’re saying about you? Rumor has it you have some strange body odor that makes women vomit. Rush you have some horrendous dangling wart incrusted creepy things dangling from you deferrment, oh, never mind. There are thousands of evil sickening things that I’ve “heard” about all of those evil Neocons and I can hardly wait to start slamming the tubes with the invectives the very second one of those creeps tries to pull some of their Hillary Hate crap. It is no longer permitted to fly. We’re blocking ALL Hillary-Hate and slinging it back to sender. Ca-frigN-piche, Newt CNAC propagand camp?

I’m so proud of Gen. Wesley Clark for endorsing Hillary. I hope to Gaia he is her V.P. These two (with their crew of geniuses including 181 I.Q. Rhode Scholar--Elvis) will kick serious bootee on all of our problems, open a great new era of Green Business that shuts down the evil Corporatists, restore jobs to America, fix our stupid educational system and our broken health care system, and make us proud to be American again, and even though there will never be any way to make up to the Iraqis the terrible tragic loss of innocent lives because of a rogue government that stole two elections and tried to crush our Republic, we will do all we can to help Iraqi’s heal their national heart and spiritual center, and the infrastructure of their land.. The world that has grown to hate us these last 7 years of being subjected to the psychosis that is the Cheney/Bush Neocon Administration will sigh a big relief that the monsters are gone and we’ll do everything we can now to make up to those Bush and Cheney and Company have abused. Somehow we have to figure out HOW to ever be forgiven by the Iraqis for what the monstrous Neocons have done with lies, sadistic abuses of power, unrelenting greed, and immeasurable inhumanity.

Since Hillary has been abused by these Neocons for years, and she and Wes Clark knows the horrors of their policies in the Middle East, together they have the power to help us all come together as a nation to finally put a stop to the wicked coup they laid on us and the rest of the world with their soulless megalomaniacal greed.

as a blog entry by itself. We call the "leveling" you describe "tall flowers," I think- everyone tries to cut them down.

thanks, and you have lifted people up

Bill (from RI)

that you have to support Hillary or go away. There are plenty of other races out there that Wes is going to be working on. I can't imagine that Wes would have a problem with people disagreeing with his choice for the top of the ticket.

Gen. Clark always said that it's not about the candidate, it's about the policy and strategy. I don't think he wants or needs a personality cult.

What Wes WOULD have a problem with is if people drop out of the process for personal reasons. Can't support Hillary? Fine. Don't. But don't abandon the goals set by Clark and WesPAC -- to make the Democratic Party the voice of national security and rational policies in the world.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

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congressional candidates are going to have a very tough election this time, precisely because of all the attention focused on the 2008 presidential race.

They'll have to work twice as hard with half as much. They will need all of our help more than ever.

Please remember, getting the country back on track is a marathon - not a sprint.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers

You know I have this pattern obsessive compulsive thing but am I noticing one here today?

Does it seem that so many of the black and white "I'm OUT"s and "I'm jumping ship"s are coming from posters we never see here on any regular basis?

No offense Boo Boo... but I don't recall you being that involved at CCN in any way. Or astronautagogo.

Yet today it seems important for you to express your critical and negative views about General Clark's decision.

It seems the core Clarkies that disagree are mostly saying they will stay on and support Wes's other efforts but not the HRC ticket. Pattern? Still developing this one... : )

In any case, we are all hurting around this place for awhile now, coming to slow grips that Wes is not running. There are lots of open wounds typing here so ... be gentle please.

There are many of us who have been here since the beginning... whether you see our names every day or not..

I, for one, cannot support him on this...

I do not follow blindly. I can understand his not seeing his way clear to run...but endorsing Hillary Clinton at the same time of his announcement not to run is the same as rubbing salt in a very open wound.

I know, it's a rough day around here.

Lots of sounds of hearts breaking...

Just for clarity- I never recommend any blind following of anyone at any time, no matter who it is. Not a good idea-- ever. Not even an American idea. I love healthy skepticism - it breeds healthy democracy and the lack of it has been partially responsible for our current electorate being so easily duped. By anyone who's in the mood for duping.

Hope you'll feel better later... Seems we're all 'processing' in our own way today.

you can or cannot recall, or what "patterns" you think you see, is relevant to my post. Obviously, Wes Clark has many more supporters than just those who participate regularly here on CCN. So I'm not a big blogger on CCN... so what? I've never organized for Clark either, but I sure have donated plenty of money.

Besides, I've been participating off and on, over the years, in Gen. Clark's various blogs since the beginning, before there even was a "CCN," and my user name hasn't changed. I'm pretty sure you've seen me around.

Anyway, just in case you missed my reply to Shortie, "I'm out" doesn't mean "I'm out of here"---cripes, I'm hardly here as it is. It means to "count me out" when it comes to supporting Hillary. That's all.

It's real simple. Wes Clark wants me to support Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. I'm saying no.

Speaking of patterns, have you noticed that one here today?

I've really enjoyed reading your articles. You obviously know what you are talking about! Your site is so easy to navigate too, I've bookmarked it in my favourites.Paying Social Security Pension

you can or cannot recall, or what "patterns" you think you see, is relevant to my post. Obviously, Wes Clark has many more supporters than just those who participate regularly here on CCN. So I'm not a big blogger on CCN... so what? I've never organized for Clark either, but I sure have donated plenty of money.

Besides, I've been participating off and on, over the years, in Gen. Clark's various blogs since the beginning, before there even was a "CCN," and my user name hasn't changed. I'm pretty sure you've seen me around.

Anyway, just in case you missed my reply to Shortie, "I'm out" doesn't mean "I'm out of here"---cripes, I'm hardly here as it is. It means to "count me out" when it comes to supporting Hillary. That's all.

It's real simple. Wes Clark wants me to support Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. I'm saying no.

Speaking of patterns, have you noticed that one here today?

"It seems the core Clarkies that disagree are mostly saying they will stay on and support Wes's other efforts but not the HRC ticket."

I'm grateful that Wes does so much more than just concern himself with Presidential politics. So much more. I'm also pleased to see many of his supporters express that -- even though they may not support his Presidential endorsement-- that they still recognize he has tremendous value as a force for good in the country and in the world. And that they can see there is plenty of work to be done, see beyond a Hillary endorsement. Wes Clark has never been geometrically challenged-- plenty of angles and planes to this multi-faceted man. They can't all be pleasing, but most of them are. Baby, bath water, and all that....

Hope that's more clear. I mean no offense to you.

Wes does so much more than just concern himself with Presidential politics.

His first and foremost concern has always been the good and future of the country and its place in the world. That led him to Presidential politics in 2003, and it's what drives him still.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

as melodramatic. I was actually editing the "best wishes" and "I'm out" lines so it wouldn't seem that way. I think I must have hit the "Post comment" button only a moment or two after you replied, so my edit didn't go through.

Rather than threatening to hold my breath until my face turns blue, I'm just saying, "Sorry, General, I can't support you on this."

I think it's interesting that several stories featuring Wes Clark were published in the foreign press just prior to this announcement. All of those stories contained speculative remarks about Clark as a member of future Democratic Administration, one of them actually positing that he could be Secretary of State.

Those are articles that would be seen by Clarkies, and "net roots" bloggers, while flying below the radar of the MSM here in the U.S. Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines there, but it's a pretty good message to send to Clark supporters just prior to his endorsing Hillary. Message: By supporting Hillary, you are supporting Wes Clark.

So that's the context of my remarks. Clark is saying, "I hope you'll join me...," and I'm reading between the lines in terms of a position for Clark in a future Clinton Administration, and I'm saying, "Sorry, General, your gonna have to count me out on that one. I wish you the best of luck, but I'm not gonna go there."

"I'm out" meant "Count me out," not "I'm out of here."

People do that around here frequently (for whatever good it does) and then (oddly enough) return to sermonize the rest of us...whatever. Not to worry, I can't support this endorsement either, for much the same reason you can't.

General Clark, Sir, please step to the podium.

I don't get why you think Wes would make a great President but you're not even willing to hear him out on his opinion on Hillary Clinton.

This is the guy who you thought was worthy of having his finger on the red button and now he makes a decision you don't agree with and it's "count me out."

I think "Wes, I don't get it," is a much more logical response.

I don't think that George W Bush's horrific term as CIC was different in anything but degree from a relentless march toward a corporatocracy and away from democratic principles.

Should Senator Clinton win, I really don't know whether her intention is to soften the edges a little and continue this march or to suddenly espouse the principles that Wes talks about.

I can only hope that Wes's wisdom will win the day.
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btw I really enjoyed listening to Eric Massa's 7/15/07 radio show and will briefly go back over it again.

but that Azul guy is really, well. To put it politely, misinformed.

And to put it realistically, trolling.

I slept in (fine morning to do that!) from a late night last night, the coffee is not having its desired effect yet...

I can't go Kos-ing until a bit more coffee is ingested.

Chicken here.

Oh what a chicken I be.

coffee or otherwise

General Clark, Sir, please step to the podium.

but I couldn't stand it.

General Clark, Sir, please step to the podium.

I will heed your advice (and Reg's)

In my delicate emotional state these past days waiting for a verdict on an important trial, trying to decipher what's up and how is it different from what's down... best I don't venture into any foreign jungles.

Thanks!

But it's been worse. There's a lot of bullshit about how this was quid pro quo for the Clinton's endorsement of Clark in 2004. (Umm... did I miss that? Like wouldn't we have won in that case? And wouldn't Wes be president right now?) But, seriously, once that gets shot down on any subthread, it pretty much turns into a Hillary bash-fest. And we can mostly just let the Hillary supporters deal with that.

Hmmm... given the choice of eating breakfast (at 12:50!) or reading the gripes at Kos... I think I'm going with Breakfast!

Off to fuel the system and continue on Stage 5- Acceptance.

Maybe eggs will help?

of course it is, and there's nothing you can
do or say, hrc not being the kossacks' 'favorite-son', so-to-speak, in the first place

General Clark, Sir, please step to the podium.

all the "stalking horse" crap that happened in '04. It was to be expected if he endorsed Clinton.

The idiot with the old "he raised money for repubs" isn't even worth the bother. The rest...well you can't convince people of what they don't want to be convinced of.

Its a shame, but its the way it is.

he were running.

wouldn't it?

General Clark, Sir, please step to the podium.

I'm in no position to defend this
endorsement. Not today.

Dreadfully, dreadfully sorry...

General Clark, Sir, please step to the podium.

Yummy!

You're more than welcome to think what you want. But that there is just a tad too close to a personal attack.

You come to grips with Wes' decision in your own way and let others deal with it in theirs.

But comments like this are just uncalled for. So you might try to show a little respect, and maybe some compassion for people who have been around here going on five years now, and stop it with the nasty attacks.

I hear a dailykos blog calling your name.

Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark

That's what this community has come to?!
Might I recommend a new home?
http://www.dlc.org

You come here attacking Wes Clark to sell who knows what.

We are all dealing with this in different ways. My way is more confrontational & less popular than other long time Clark supporters here apparently, and that's fine. It's a free country right?
Look, have we invested all of our hearts, time, and money so the Dem party can take a giant step back into the past? This is the people's party, not the corperations party.
I personally think Wes should feel a sting from his supporters over this. Our voices, keypads, and our 1 vote is all we got! How is it in anybody's best interest to not express profound dissapointment in this decision?
I'm undecided thus far in regards to 2008. What I do know is, an HRC nomination is the gravest mistake the Dem party could possibly make right now.

So free country means you can say anything you want, but no one is allowed to say anything they want right back to you?

You've come here to Gen. Clark's site attacking him. Then you tell his supporters that we should go somewhere else.

If you want to be confrontational, you can't expect not to provoke a confrontation.

If you disagree with people, go ahead. Plenty of people here disagree. But you're just insulting people and acting like a jerk. That's not acceptable. This is not that kind of blog. That is not the kind of place that some of us have worked very hard to create here.

When did I say no one is allowed to say what they want back to me? That's obsurd.

I may not have been a regular poster here, but I have been a long time Clark supporter and advocate. Some folks here say that the HRC endorsement doesn't come as a big suprise. Well, I guess I'm one of the folks to whom it does....and a big suprise at that.
Many times after a while we can tend to overlook and see what we want in a political figure we've grown to like, even when they make a poor decision.
Yeah I do and did expect some confrontation, I think it's healthy to vent right now and have a spirited exchange about what we think the Dem party should stand for and where it's future should be.
Nobody embodies the DLC, corperatist, old thinking wing of the Dem party like Hillary.
What I also find amusing is i've been called "a plant" an Edwards "disciple" "a troll" etc...while these same folks attack Daily Kos, defend Hillary Clinton etc...
Just ask yourselves, is this the sort of direction you had in mind when we initially campaigned for Clark?

Just ask yourselves, is this the sort of direction you had in mind when we initially campaigned for Clark?

OK, I asked myself that; I can't answer because what "sort of direction" are you talking about? How does campaigning for Clark in '04 have anything to do with now?
Your question makes no sense.

You've had your say, so go back to lurking or whatever.

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

Is obviously different from what someone else
(for example, Wes Clark) may "know," 'cause it's
actually just your opinion. I'm not a Hillary
fan (tho I suspected this was coming) but I
dislike your exhortations to us to scold General
Clark for his decision. You speak only for
yourself.

in staying here? You obviously haven't been any sort of regular blogger here so don't tell us what to do or how to feel. If you don't like it, split! And please, let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Buh-bye.

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

But most Clark supporters didn't regularly post here. They keep track of Clark through his mailing list, lurking wespac, myspace, or simply tv & radio apperances etc...
For example, look at the reaction from his myspace supporters over this...it's mostly quite negative.
I understand that most of you here support Clark's decision to stand with the Hillary wing of the Dem party, but there are many of us who do not and feel strongly about it. It doesn't make us trolls or plants..

If you'd read the thread, most of us don't necessarly agree with his decision. What we have a problem with is you coming here and attacking him and us, making unsubstantiated claims, talking about kool-aid and Barney the dog when someone makes a point against something you said, and telling people to go somewhere else on Clark's own site.

I don't know if I support Hillary or not, but I don't appreciate the way you've behaved today.

We can like it or not, but I'm sure he gave some thought to it, and his judgement has been pretty sound so far....

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

his judgement has been pretty sound so far

I've been trusting his judgement for 4 years now. I think I can at least hear him out on this.

People aren't black and white; they're shades of gray. I think we should at least take the time to ask Wes how he sees beyond all the things we can't stand about Hillary. Odds are he has a pretty unique perspective on that.

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