Phony Soldier?
Submitted by Wes Clark on September 28, 2007 - 12:11pm.
Phony soldier?
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| Rush Limbaugh recently labeled all Iraq veterans who want a change of direction in Iraq as "phony soldiers." But will he say this to Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz's face? |
| Email Limbaugh and urge him to invite Jon Soltz to his radio show! |
September 27, 2007
You've heard a number of times from Jon Soltz of VoteVets.org. Do you consider him a phony soldier?
According to Rush Limbaugh, Jon Soltz, an Iraq war veteran, is a phony soldier. Today, Media Matters reports that Rush Limbaugh said that those troops who come home and want to get America out of the middle of the religious civil war in Iraq are "phony soldiers."1
The question is, would Rush make these outrageous and offensive comments to Jon's face?
Take action now. Email Rush Limbaugh and urge him to invite Jon Soltz onto his radio show!
Rush Limbaugh has never worn the uniform in his life, yet he's got the moral standing to pass judgment on the men and women who risked their lives for this nation?
Polls have shown that the majority of troops on the ground in Iraq, and those who have returned, do not back the President's failed policy.
Does Rush believe, then, that the majority of the US Armed Forces are "phony?"
Major Generals John Batiste and Paul Eaton left the military and have spoken out against the Bush Administration's failed policies. These are former commanders in Iraq, and they have challenged the Administration for its stubborn refusal to listen to those commanders on the ground who have sent up warning after warning.
Does Rush believe that highly decorated Major Generals are "phony soldiers?"
Finally, recall the members of the 82nd Airborne in Iraq who wrote a New York Times op-ed, urging for a change in course in Iraq, and suggesting it was time to figure out the exit strategy. Two of them just died.
Does Rush believe these young troops are "phony soldiers?"
My challenge to you is to force Rush to invite Jon Soltz onto his show and say all of this again, right to the face of someone who served in Iraq.
Democracy demands discussion, disagreement, and dissent. It is the natural expression of our freedom. To dishonor the service of our troops because they have a different viewpoint is unconscionable. Thank you for speaking out.
Sincerely,
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Wes Clark
the lead in going after Rush Limbaugh when I have not heard any of the announced Democratic candidates even mention him in a critical way yet!
It should not be a big surprise to anyone that Gen. Clark has taken the lead in going after Limbaugh:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191
Listen to Wes Clark fight for Dems on Hannity
Submitted by larry on June 22, 2006 - 7:57pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191#comment-111351
Gen. Clark on media response from 2/11/05 when I saw him speak!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 23, 2006 - 5:35am.
Here is how much power that Rush Limbaugh has which most people do not realize:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12782
DOCUMENTATION: Rush Limbaugh claims to & controls who the GOP nominee will be!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 25, 2007 - 11:58pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12971
Bush met with 10 Neocon talk radio hosts and in private with Rush Limbaugh!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 9, 2007 - 3:28am.
Rush Limbaugh has a very good reason why to fear Jon Soltz in my opinion because Jon Soltz and VoteVets.org are doing more than anyone else I can see right now other than Gen. Clark to make a real difference in the national dialogue and in reaching out to moderate Republicans in Congress in order to try and win over the Republican votes that are needed in order to override a Bush veto to force a change of course on Iraq war policy:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/13390
We can help make a real difference on Iraq by promoting Jon Soltz & VoteVets.org
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 19, 2007 - 6:32am.
Signing this petition and then going to http://www.votevets.org/ and doing what you can to help Jon Soltz are two things that everyone can be doing right now which can help to make a real difference in things!

Well, not in so many words, but I did.
and by lying about him many times in the past!
Here are the links where I have credibly documented and refuted each one of Rush Limbaugh's attacks on Gen. Clark that I have seen going back to February of 2006:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12992
REFUTATION: Rush Limbaugh attacked Gen. Clark over his Op-Ed on Thursday, Aug. 9
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 11, 2007 - 3:23am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11989
REFUTATION: Rush Limbaugh attacked Gen. Clark and lied about him on Wed., May 2!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 3, 2007 - 12:52am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11989#comment-210599
Limbaugh's last "Ashley Wilkes" attack on Gen. Clark before this
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 16, 2007 - 1:05pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/9886
Swiftboat attacks on Gen. Clark / We will have to be ready to defend him soon!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 29, 2006 - 2:20am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/5599
TRANSCRIPTS & ANALYSIS: Rush Limbaugh mocks Gen. Wes Clark & Eli Segal's funeral
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 19, 2006 - 3:58am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/4249
Ashley Wilkes: Our Troops Rough Up Women / Rush Limbaugh publicly attacked Gen. Wes Clark on Wednesday, Feb. 1
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 2, 2006 - 1:51am.
I hope that these links will motivate everyone here to sign this petition ASAP and then go to http://www.votevets.org/ to help out Jon Soltz any way that you can!
in it's full context:
CALLER: "No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq..."
Rush Limbaugh does not say anything that I am not aware of because his word is virtually law in most of the Neocon GOP activist base!
Holding to Neoconservative foreign policy is Limbaugh's "litmus test" of who is truly "conservative" and "Republican" in his fantasy world of politics. Limbaugh hates Chuck Hagel and Gordon Smith nearly as much as how he hates Democrats which is a very good reason in my opinion why Non-Neocon and moderate Republicans should stand up with Democrats to oppose him:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092607/content/01125113.guest.html
How Long Is Too Long for Victory?
September 26, 2007
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hi, Rush, how you doing today?
RUSH: Fine, sir, thank you.
CALLER: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and that there's actually no Republicans that can possibly be against the war?
RUSH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of who the Republicans are in the anti-war movement.
CALLER: I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public. You accuse the public and all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose --
RUSH: Oh, come on, here we go again. I utter the truth, and you can't handle it so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.
CALLER: Well, I am a Republican, and I listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. I'm not a Democrat, but sometimes you gotta cut the losses. I mean, sometimes you really got to admit you're wrong.
RUSH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, getting out of there, waving the white flag.
CALLER: I'm not saying that, I'm not saying anything like that.
RUSH: Of course you are.
CALLER: No, I'm not!
RUSH: The truth is the truth, Mike.
CALLER: We did what we were supposed to do, okay, we got rid of Saddam Hussein; we got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country now. Let's get out of there and let's be done with it. We won it.
RUSH: I'm never going to be able to retire. It's not going to work. You are depressing me.
CALLER: Well, sometimes, like you said, the truth hurts, Rush. Sometimes it hurts.
RUSH: I have explained this so many times. I can't believe that you actually listen to this program a lot, because you've heard me say what I'm going to say to you. War is never "plottable" on a piece of paper or on a map. It never goes exactly as anybody thinks it's going to go because nobody can predict the future, for one thing.
CALLER: That's true.
RUSH: Thank you. So what's happening now is that the very enemy that blew us up on 9/11 is facing us in Iraq. We can't cave in defeat and run out of there and say, "Hey guess what, we won, we got Saddam." We are going to be setting ourselves up for future disasters. We will never be able to have any other nation trust us as an ally when we have to go in there again. If we pull out of there before we take care of this, Mike, we're just going to have to do it sometime later at greater cost.
CALLER: Are we ever going to take care of it, though? How long do you think we're going to have to be there to take care of it?
RUSH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.
CALLER: I am.
RUSH: You can't be Republican.
CALLER: Oh, I am definitely Republican.
RUSH: You sound just like a Democrat.
CALLER: No, but seriously, Rush, how long do we have to stay there?
RUSH: As long as it takes.
CALLER: How long?
RUSH: As long as it takes. It is very serious. This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. Just like your job, you do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.
CALLER: So then you say we need to stay there forever?
RUSH: No, Bill -- (Laughing) or Mike. I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.
CALLER: I used to be military, okay, and I am a Republican.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: And I do listen to you, but --
RUSH: Right, I know. And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon.
CALLER: How long do we have to stay there?
RUSH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question; it's not what you want to hear, and so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up. I said we stay to get the job done, as long as it takes. I didn't say forever. Nothing takes forever. That's not possible, Bill. Mike. Whatever. Nobody lives forever, no situation lasts forever, everything ends. We determine how do we want it to end, in our favor or in our defeat? With people like you in charge, who want to put a timeline on everything -- do you ever get anything done in your life? Or do you say, "Well, I wanted to have this done by now, and it's not, so screw it"? You don't live your life that way. Well, hell, you might, I don't know. But the limitations that you want to impose here are senseless, and they, frankly, portray no evidence that you are a Republican.
Another Mike. This one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Thanks for taking my call.
RUSH: You bet.
CALLER: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am serving in the American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
RUSH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER: I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, what these people don't understand, is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is not possible because of all the stuff that's over there, it would take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so.
RUSH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. The next guy that calls here I'm going to ask them, "What is the imperative of pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out?" I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "When's he going to bring the troops home? Keep the troops safe," whatever.
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
CALLER: A lot of people.
RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.
CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.
RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
END TRANSCRIPT
Read the Background Material...
HotAir: Jesse Macbeth: I Admit It, I'm a Filthy Liar
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/21/jesse-macbeth-i-admit-it-im-a-filthy-liar/
Seattle Times: Man Who Posed as Military Hero Sentenced to 5 Months in Prison
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003895483_webmacbeth21m.html
*Note: Links to content outside RushLimbaugh.com usually become inactive over time.
He never lets any attack on him in the media go unanswered and he always hits back his attackers very hard:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092807/content/01125106.guest.html
The Anatomy of a Smear: "Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story
September 28, 2007
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: What? Am I going to apologize? It is I who am owed an apology. Greetings, my friends, and welcome. The Rush Limbaugh program. It's Friday.
JOHNNY DONOVAN: Live from the Southern Command in sunny south Florida via New York City, it's Open Line Friday!
RUSH: Oh, goody goody gumdrops, yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yahoo. Ladies and gentlemen, one of my favorite days of the week here, not because it's the end of the week, but rather because it's always such an exciting excursion into broadcast excellence, because on Friday, I, El Rushbo, take a great career risk, one of the greatest risks taken in Big Media. And that risk is turning over the content portion of this program, when we go to the phones, to you, lovable people, great people, love you, but you are rank amateurs, you are not highly trained broadcast professionals and specialists as am I. So the rules Monday through Thursday, off the table, whatever you want to talk about, question, comment, whine, moan, feel free. Here's the phone number: 800-282-2882. And the e-mail address,
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I want to illustrate something for you today, folks. I've done it before. I want to do it again. I call this the anatomy of a smear, and what this is is a great illustration of the liberals and the Democrat Party playbook for '08, which is underway now. The morning update on Wednesday dealt with a soldier, a fake, phony soldier by the name of Jesse MacBeth who never served in Iraq; he was never an Army Ranger. He was drummed out of the military in 44 days. He had his day in court; he never got the Purple Heart as he claimed, and he described all these war atrocities. He became a hero to the anti-war left. They love phony soldiers, and they prop 'em up. When it is demonstrated that they have been lying about things, then they just forget about it. There's no retraction; there's no apology; there's no, "Uh-oh, sorry." After doing that morning update on Wednesday, I got a phone call yesterday from somebody, we were talking about the troops, and this gentleman said something which you'll hear here in just a second, prompting me to reply "yeah, the phony soldiers."
That comment, "phony soldiers" was posted yesterday afternoon on the famous Media Matters website, which is where all leftists go to find out what I say. I have a website, and I have a radio program that reaches far more people than Media Matters could ever hope to, but the critics of this program never listen to this program. They never go to my website. All they do is read Media Matters and they get the lies and the out-of-context reports. They assume it's all true because they want it to be true, and then they start their campaigns. This has led to me being denounced on the floor of the House. Howard Dean has released a statement demanding I apologize; Jim Webb; John Kerry issued a statement, three Congress people went out on the floor of the House last night and said some things, and it's starting to blossom now in the Drive-By Media. So this is the anatomy of a smear, and this is how it starts. The same group is trying to get Bill O'Reilly into problems because of some innocent comments that he made about going to dinner at a restaurant in Harlem. So the illustration begins with just a sample report from MSNBC whose content is produced almost exclusively by Media Matters for America and MoveOn.org. This is this morning with the anchorette Contessa Brewer reporting on the phony soldier controversy, spawned by me.
BREWER: Some leading Democrats are attacking radio talk show personality Rush Limbaugh because he called soldiers who opposed the Iraq war "phony." Limbaugh was criticizing the anti-war movement generally and made the comment to a caller.
RUSH ARCHIVE: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
BREWER: Democratic Senator John Kerry is demanding an apology from Limbaugh, whose comments he calls "disgusting and an embarrassment."
RUSH: That's really rich. John Kerry, whose own soldiers, his own personnel, fellow soldiers in those Swift Boats, at least many of them who said he was lying about his supposed heroics, this is the same John Kerry who went out and insulted the intelligence of the troops, thereby torpedoing his own 2008 presidential candidacy. His statement includes these words: "This disgusting attack from Rush Limbaugh, cheerleader for the chicken hawk wing of the far right is an insult to American troops." I was not talking, as Contessa Brewer said here, about the anti-war movement generally. I was talking about one soldier with that phony soldier comment, Jesse MacBeth. They had exactly what I'm going to play for you. It's Michael J. Fox all over again. Media Matters had the transcript. But they selectively choose what they want to make their point. It runs about three minutes and 13 seconds, the entire transcript, in context, that led to this so-called controversy.
RUSH ARCHIVE: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
RUSH: It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
RUSH: That was the transcript from yesterday's program, talking about one phony soldier. The truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose, which is exactly the way the website, Media Matters, generated this story, fiction, out of context, did so knowingly. What is amazing is that after all of the examples of how this organization is simply a Democrat Party Hillary Clinton front group; how they constantly do this; how they take things out of context and embarrass themselves and get things wrong; they still have credible so-called journalists and others, members of Congress, Democrat Party, who treat what they say as gospel. Not one member of the media, not one congressman, nobody has called our office to ask, "Did you really say this? And what did you mean by it?" The reason this does not work, ladies and gentlemen, is that I have a 19-and-a-half-year record on this program of being one of the most devoted supporters of US military personnel in uniform that there is.
The effort here is simply to discredit people that they consider effective and powerful on the right ginning up, leading up into the '08 elections. They cannot beat us in the arena of ideas. They cannot challenge what we say and refute it and come out on top, so this is the anatomy of a smear. I'll show you how it works when we come back after the break. We have a bunch of sound bites here from Jim Webb, Jan Schakowsky, Frank Pallone, Democrats and senators, plus the Kerry statement that I read to you, all that coming up right after this.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: So we have John Kerry insulting soldiers all over the place. His own troops who served with him said that he lied about things that he accomplished. He insulted the intelligence of the troops. We all know what they did to General Petraeus with the MoveOn.org ad, we know what members of Congress said to General Petraeus, calling him a liar before he even opened his mouth and before they had even read the report that they demanded be issued about the surge back on the 15th of September. What's going on here is their attempt to deflect attention away from themselves and the same issue, because they have eaten it big time on the Petraeus ad in the New York Times. None of it worked out the way they intended. They have blow-black that they didn't figure out. So now it's time for them to try to point out that somebody like me is insulting the troops -- as any of you who listen to this program regularly know has not happened and never would happen. Here's congressional reaction, Senate reaction. Last night on some MSNBC show, Jim Webb was run out in the hallway. Question: "Yesterday, in his radio program, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate US withdrawal from Iraq 'phony soldiers.' You want to respond to that?"
WEBB: I really regret Mr. Limbaugh saying things like that. You know, we have, uh, political diversity inside the military just like we do in the country. If you look at the -- I believe it was the six [sic--seven] soldiers, uh, who wrote with honor the piece for the New York Times not long ago, I think three [sic--two] of them, uh, now died. [truck accident] Uh, I think, uh, Mr. Limbaugh have to, uh, take a look at -- at that sort of reality. I really react strongly when people politicize the service of our military people.
RUSH: What an absolute lunatic joke to make, after the way General Petraeus was just treated! Politicize the military? Mr. Webb stepped in it. You put a bag of manure in front of a liberal Democrat and they are sure to step in it. He just assumed that what he was told was true, that I called anti-war troops "phony soldiers," when everybody involved in this knows full well I was talking about one genuine convicted, lying, fake soldier, who was undermining this mission, who was doing his best to demoralize the troops. I stand up for the troops! The Democrat Party has been trying to demoralize them. The Democrat Party has been trying to lose the Iraq war, the war on terror. They own defeat. They are invested in it. They have failed to hang defeat around the neck of this president, and the presidency that they've been trying to destroy. They have now really upset their fringe base by all of the top-tier candidates in Wednesday's debate saying, "There's no way I'm going to pull troops out of there before 2013." They are beside themselves now, and so they choose to come after me in an unprovoked and totally out-of-context fashion. It is I who am owed an apology here. Let's go to the floor of the House. A portion of remarks made by Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky.
SCHAKOWSKY: Well, Rush Limbaugh is at it again. Unable to defend an indefensible war in Iraq, he's once again resorted to sliming the messenger. In this case, unbelievably, the messenger he's going after are the brave men and women who have served their country in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other wars. Men and women who serve in Iraq differ from Rush Limbaugh in two critical ways. First, unlike Mr. Limbaugh, they actually served in the military. Second, unlike Mr. Limbaugh, they understand that the war in Iraq is making our country less safe and destroying the military.
RUSH: Do these people understand what fools they sound like to anybody who knows the truth about all of this? They haven't the slightest idea how foolish they sound; they don't care. Folks, I do not need, nor do you, lectures from liberals, Democrats, Drive-By Media people on whether or not they served in the military about supporting our troops. It is they who are undermining the troops, smearing the troops, endangering them every damn day -- and they know it, and they have done it purposefully! They are undermining the war effort. They want to be called patriots for doing it. Same on selecting Jim Webb! Shame on John Kerry! Shame on them! They should be speaking out for our soldiers, not throwing in with the anti-war MoveOn.org crowd. They cannot have it both ways, not on this program. There are 170,000 soldiers in Iraq. The least we can do here at home is support them, and on this program they have universal, total support. Here's more from Ms. Schakowsky from the floor of the House.
SCHAKOWSKY: How dare Rush Limbaugh label anyone who has served in the military as a quote "phony soldier," unquote? Could Rush Limbaugh actually face soldiers who have risked their lives and tell them that their beliefs don't matter? Let's pay attention to the 72% of American troops serving in Iraq who also think the US should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four who say the troops should leave immediately, according to the Zogby poll. I guess they're all a bunch of phonies, according to Rush Limbaugh. Apparently, however, Mr. Limbaugh thinks they deserve to be smeared and belittled unless they happen to agree with him. I understand why Rush Limbaugh cannot debate this war on the merits, but bashing soldiers and veterans who disagree with him is unpatriotic and un-American.
RUSH: Of course, none of what she said is true. She's just ignorant, and I don't need to be lectured to by these people. But, you see, they have taken the occasion of this comment... They don't care whether it's true or not; they just launch on their soapbox. Do you know how much I got under their skin, folks, for them to take this to the floor of the houses? Tom Harkin has done this. Let's go back in time, shall we? Let's go back to April 22nd, 1971, John Kerry testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about Vietnam.
VIETNAM VETERAN JOHN KERRY 1971: They told the stories of times that they had personally raped, cut off the ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned off the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Jen-jiss Khan. Not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with a full awareness at all levels of command.
RUSH: Lies! Senator Kerry was insulting and smearing members of the armed forces back in 1971, people he didn't even serve with and things that he didn't even see. Does the name Jesse MacBeth rise up again here in this discussion of phony soldiers? Here is John Kerry from December 4th, 2005.
KERRY 2005: [T]here is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, uh, uh, uh, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- of -- of -- uh, historical customs, religious customs, whether you like it or not. Iraqis should be doing that.
RUSH: Oh, really? Who is insulting the troops here, folks? And who has a history of insulting of troops? Certainly not I. It is Senator Kerry who in that bite from December 4th, 2005, essentially called US troops terrorists, and said if any terrorism ought to be going on over there, the Iraqis ought to be doing it.
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RUSH: I'm in the midst here of illustrating the Democrat Party's '08 playbook, the anatomy of a smear, taking two words that I uttered yesterday totally out of context and misrepresenting the meaning entirely -- on purpose, knowing full well they were doing it. Now the whole Democrat Party, the Drive-By Media -- typically, without verifying, without asking, without checking -- just assumes that what they read on this lying, politically oriented website, has to be true. Even if it isn't true, it serves their purpose to go out and try to nick, harm, impugn, destroy people they fear who are too effective in opposing them. What we're doing here after having illustrated all that, is to show you who the real anti-military people are in this country: who they are and how often they have opposed victory; the unkind, vicious things they have said about uniformed personnel. The idea that they have accused me of this and demand an apology from me is outrageous. It is I who is owed the apology. It won't be forthcoming, but nor will one from me. Let's go back to June 10th, 2005, the Senate floor, Dick Durbin.
DURBIN: If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their Gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of our -- their -- own prisoners.
RUSH: And of course it was Senator Durbin who issued, then, a lame apology after the firestorm that his comments caused. Let's go back shortly, not long ago, September the 10th, when General Petraeus appeared before the House committee. Before he had said a word, before he uttered one word -- and this is the day, of course, the MoveOn.org ad came out, calling him "General Betray Us." Here's Congressman Tom Lantos lecturing a four-star general in dress uniform sitting before him.
LANTOS: The fact remains, gentlemen, that the administration has sent you here today to convince the members of these two committees and the Congress that victory is at hand. With all due respect to you, I must say, "I don't buy it."
RUSH: So he's calling him a liar. So this is typical. This is what's commonplace every day in the halls of Congress inhabited by Democrats. It is the generals; it's the soldiers: they are the liars. They are the reprobates. They are the ones that need to be demoralized. They are the ones that need to lose so the Democrat Party can reap political power once again -- and they have failed. They have failed at every effort to end this war in the defeat that they have sought. They have failed to hang defeat around the neck of George W. Bush, whose presidency they have sought to destroy. These people, ladies and gentlemen, are beyond the pale. US national security is irrelevant to them at this point in time. Their acquisition of power is all that matters. I've been waiting for this to blossom, and it finally did. At the White House briefing today, this afternoon, with the spokesperson Dana Perino, a CNN reporterette asked this question.
CNN REPORTERETTE: Apparently this week Rush Limbaugh used the phrase "phony soldiers" to describe American troops who opposed the Iraq war. Given that the president has commented, uh, last week, uh, on the MoveOn ad, uh, on General Petraeus, and called it "disgusting," is this something that the president would, you know, feel compelled to comment on?
PERINO: It's the first I've heard of that comment. Taking that it is accurate -- I have not heard it myself -- the president believes that if you are serving in the military, that you have the rights that every American has, which is that you're free to express yourself in any way that you want to, and there are some that oppose the war and that's okay.
CNN REPORTERETTE: The phrase "phony soldiers" to describe these --
PERINO: It's not a phrase the president would have used.
RUSH: "Not a phrase the president would have used." She wasn't aware. She had to assume that the reporter was relaying the story accurately to her, but this is how this stuff starts. This is an illustration. This is the way the Democrat playbook in '08 -- and actually it's been underway for a while. The illustration here, folks, is just how partisan supposed "objective" media people are. You know, I've got a website, and I've got a radio show, and I've got a phone, and I have people who answer the phone, and if they read something like this... I've been on the air 19 years, a little bit over 19. Just the blanket acceptance of this -- knowing full well that Media Matters takes things out of context all the time, the blanket acceptance of this -- and then running with it full speed, is an illustration of what I have been drumming into people's heads for years. The Drive-By Media is as partisan as any organization out there. They hide under this notion that they are objective, but they've got an agenda. They have their narratives. They have their templates. When anything fits the narrative, whether it's true or not -- i.e., the Duke rape case -- you go with it. You run with it! You make the mess! This is why they're called the "Drive-By" Media. You make the mess. They drive in. They shoot things up, create all kinds of mess, get in the convertible, head back down the road, and it's left to people like me to clean up the mess that they make -- and they make messes every day, over, and over, and over again. So the reason for spending this time on this is to illustrate that that is how this happens. This organization is a front group for Mrs. Clinton, as are so many other organizations out there that engage in these kinds of smears. One more sound bite here from the floor of the House. This is Frank Pallone, a Democrat from New Jersey. Here's a portion of what he said.
PALLONE: Yesterday, House Republicans offered a motion to recommit, condemning MoveOn.org for its advertisement stating that General Petraeus had betrayed us. I'm wondering if they'll show similar outrage over statements made yesterday by conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh. Yesterday Limbaugh called service members who support a withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers." Is Limbaugh serious? I wonder if Republicans who showed so much outrage towards MoveOn yesterday will hold Rush Limbaugh to the same standard -- and I wouldn't hold your breath.
RUSH: You shouldn't hold your breath because there's no standard to hold me to, in the sense that you're talking about. I never said what you think I said, Congressman Pallone, congresswoman Schakowsky, Senator Kerry, or any of the rest of you in the Drive-By Media. I was talking about a genuine phony soldier -- and, by the way, Jesse MacBeth is not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in the New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines in Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians? If anybody owes anybody an apology, the entire Democrat Party, from Hillary Clinton on down, owes the US military an apology. They owe me an apology, and they owe the American people an apology -- and they are owed massive defeat in 2008! They are irresponsible, they are dishonest, they are incompetent, and they pose a great threat to this country -- as evidenced by this small little episode. Now, I can go back and I could get all kinds of resolutions here to remind you of them, and I will. There were resolutions praising the patriotism of General Petraeus, condemning the MoveOn ad. Kerry voted no, Schakowsky voted no. They didn't want to praise the "patriotism" because "patriotism" to them is opposing victory. Patriotism to them is opposing the US military. Patriotism to them is lying and taking out of context the words of people who are among the biggest supporters of the US military in this country. When I mentioned the term "phony soldier" -- and they all know this -- I was referring to a genuine phony soldier about whom I had informed this audience the previous day and did so again the following day. That was Wednesday and Thursday of this week.
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RUSH: I want to thank Media Matters for America for making it so easy, ladies and gentlemen, to show how the real conspiracy works. Not the phony-baloney, hilarious right-wing conspiracy which is totally made up, but how the left flashes the media, who flash the left in Congress, and voila, you have a totally wrong, false, filled with lies, out of context story that ends up in the mainstream. If you're going to thank Media Matters, you have to thank one man, and that would be George Soros, and you have to thank one woman, and that would be Hillary Rodham Clinton. What the media want is to create a story that fits into their template, their reality.
Then they'll go to their favorite Democrats for a comment, they'll get some stupid comments from them and run and rerun the lies so that two years from now the truth and their lies become one and the same in the minds of people. This is their attempt here. This is because they don't want to debate the issues, because they can't win. They don't want to admit their own failures and failings. They don't want to inform the public. They want to manipulate the news and events to advance their agenda. So a comment that's taken out of context is compared to a paid, printed ad intended to smear General Petraeus, then they ask the White House press secretary about it. This is how it works. I want you to know it and never forget it. Thank you.
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Read the Background Material...
Seattle Post Intelligencer: Poster Soldier for Anti-war Movement Was a Fake
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/332642_fakevet22.html
RCP: Winter Soldier Syndrome - Michelle Malkin
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/winter_soldier_syndrome.html
Hot Air: Jesse Macbeth: I Admit It, I'm a Filthy Liar
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/21/jesse-macbeth-i-admit-it-im-a-filthy-liar/
AP: 8-month Sentence for Man Who Lied about Iraq Fighting
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Military_Misrepresentations.html
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Prediction: What the Drive-Bys Will Do
September 28, 2007
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RUSH: We just got a call -- this is going to be very interesting. I just heard from H.R., and we got a call from a Reuters reporter. About a half hour ago, the Reuters reporter wanted to know, "What is this phony soldiers comment?" At least he called. At least he called. So H.R. said, "Look, I'm in the middle of doing the show now, but you can go to our website, go to RushLimbaugh.com. It's all there. Transcript, video, everything putting the story straight, it's all there." The Reuters reporter said, "I'll go there," and H.R. is going to talk to him after the show. We will see, it's going to be very interesting to see if he does read the transcript. It's just eight minutes of video he's gotta watch to get the whole truth here, if it sinks in. I predict, "But he doesn't deny saying phony soldiers?" "No, of course he doesn't deny saying phony soldiers. He was talking about a phoney soldier. What they're talking about is he was talking about uniformed troops that disagree with the war. He was not talking about them. He was talking about a genuine phony soldier. Of course he said phony." "Well, that's offensive to some people. So I'm going with the story."
That's how they think, folks. That's how they'll find their grain of truth. We'll just see, make you a prediction, we won't know 'til Monday. Well, I will this afternoon. I have no way of telling you, maybe update the website with the information on my prediction, but that's how it works, "So he doesn't deny saying phony?" "No, no, no, he was talking about a phony soldier, Jesse MacBeth, the picture is up there, too, a total fraud." "Well, but that term, phony soldier, I can see why people are offended by that." This is the mind-set.
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RUSH: All right, I just found out from H.R. that Norah O'Donnell of PMSNBC called and wanted to find out if Rush is saying that soldiers who were against the war are phony. She was told no. He was talking in the context of soldiers that misrepresent themselves or what they report as having taken place to sway public opinion, like Jesse MacBeth. She wasn't familiar with that story. Of course PMSNBC wasn't familiar with Jesse MacBeth. So she was directed to the website, RushLimbaugh.com. YouTube video, Dittocam video, transcript of everything Rush said. She says, "Well, what about these seven soldiers from the 101st Airborne as an example of what Rush was talking about?"
"We haven't talked about seven soldiers from the 101st Airborne." That's what Media Matters is saying I was talking about. We haven't talked about seven soldiers from the 101st Airborne, hadn't commented on those soldiers and wouldn't proclaim them as phony anyway. I have never proclaimed a uniformed soldier doing his duty as a phony anything. I have nothing but total respect here.
She said, "Well, there are soldiers who are for withdrawal."
"Yeah, there are."
"So are they phony?"
"For the second time, no." I told you, they're going to get caught up in this. So she's been directed to the website, and she's the second info babe, the second reporter that's called to go to the website. It will be interesting to see what they learn, what permeates and penetrates the narrative that they have established on this. She thanked H.R. and said, "Would Rush ever do an interview with me?" And H.R. said, "Probably not. In general, he doesn't do interviews with anybody, but it would help to have a large audience." (Laughing)
Way to go, H.R.
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Outrage Over Drive-By Smear
September 28, 2007
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RUSH: Now to the phones, we go to Atlanta and we start with Ray. You're up first, sir, nice to have you with us.
CALLER: Hey, Rush, I'll get right to the point. I don't think that this whole brouhaha, the phony soldier, has really anything to do with that particular soldier. I think it has to do with the fact that they're trying to marginalize you; they're trying to marginalize us as conservatives, because what's coming up in '08? It's game time, baby.
RUSH: Exactly. This is the '08 playbook. It's a smear; it's marginalization. The thing is, they've tried it how many times and have failed?
CALLER: Well, I think we're going to see more and more of this of you. They're going to pick out more and more, quote, "instances" of things they have to take issues with, mark my words.
RUSH: No question about it.
CALLER: Let me tell you Democrats, we're out here and we're going to win in '08. And you've done nothing but fire us up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY
RUSH: No question about it, but it's going to blow up in their face eventually. It's not going to blow up in their face with the media; it's not going to blow up in their face with the Democrats; it's going to blow up in their face with the American people. The American people are not dumb, they are not idiots, and they can readily recognize when they are being lied to. They can readily recognize political attempts and attacks like this, and they forget that I've got three hours every day here to deal with this kind of thing, if necessary, although I won't devote nearly that much time to it because it isn't necessary. But this kind of stuff is going to blow up in their face just like the MoveOn.org ad blew up in their face. Just be patient, folks, and be confident. There's still some really core characteristics of human nature. Human nature and the American culture has a bunch of core beliefs: good character, honesty, and they still thrive, and they survive in large numbers in most of the people in this country. You just don't know about it because those people are anonymous, they're not seeking fame, they're not seeking notoriety. But the people who make this country work have great values, they have manners, they understand when they're being lied to and set up, tactics like this are used. This will eventually backfire on these people if they keep it up.
Rich in south Jersey, you're next on Open Line Friday. Hi.
CALLER: Hey, Rush, good to talk to you.
RUSH: You bet.
CALLER: Sometimes -- like I just heard you say, it will backfire on them, but sometimes it doesn't because people forget, because so much time goes by. But let me try to like go through this whole thing that I got in my head before I forget it, because this could be like a turning point on media distortion. Because, like I said, months from now, they're going to remember you associated with something against the troops, something negative, they're going to forget about the specifics. So it makes you waste time reacting to the negative. You're just reacting to something that they put out negative. That's what everybody's doing. That's what O'Reilly did. He wastes time, where they should -- or you should illustrate the positive things that go on. Just to react to the negativity takes away from your time to illustrate the positive. That's what you do. You illustrate the positives. In a nutshell, I think they do this just to divert you. They're just making you waste time on reacting instead of just saying the good things.
RUSH: This is another great illustration, too. I've got e-mails from all kinds of people that echo what you say: "Stop reacting to it. Just stop. All you're doing is giving them time. You're giving them attention; you're elevating them," and so forth and so on. I've shared with you over the course of the number of years of this program that dealing with this kind of thing has always been a quandary as to how to deal with it: when do you ignore it, when do you deal with it. The bottom line is, when you've got elected Democrats going to the floor of the House of Representatives and condemning you -- my dad would not believe my life. (Laughing) My dad would not believe this. When you've got elected officials, Jim Webb, others, John Kerry, Howard Dean issued a statement, when you've got people that are demanding I apologize for something that didn't happen, and you said something at the outset here that's very crucial: years from now, months from now, all you think people will remember is that I was associated with something negative about the military.
You're right, if I let this go and act like this is nothing. Other than that, this is one of those times where I have deemed it necessary to respond for a whole host of reasons. In fact, I thought this illustration of the Democrat playbook in '08, this anatomy of a smear, was quite positive. I thought it was quite illustrative of positive outlooks. Who is it that's supporting the troops? It's all of us, folks. It's not these people demanding an apology. Can you believe that John Kerry has the audacity to ask me to apologize for something I didn't say after his record of bashing and criticizing and demoralizing the troops? This is laughable, and I'm throwing it right back in their face. This is one of those times that I deemed it necessary to respond to it and play their own words right back at them and for everybody else to keep all this in context.
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Here's mine:
Subject: You're no longer a barrel of laughs, Rush.
Dear Rush:
Still sort of a barrel, however. :)
Your rough-edged yet hugely successful comedy program not so cleverly disguised as news reporting dropped to a new low when you referred to soldiers who oppose the war in Iraq as "phony soldiers".
Unless you live inside President Bush's otherworld, where reality doesn't seem to matter, you must be aware that the majority of troops on the ground in Iraq, and those who have returned, do not now back the President's failed policy.
It's therefore quite an outrage that you could say, even in jest, that the majority of the US Armed Forces are "phony".
Major Generals John Batiste and Paul Eaton left the military and have spoken out against the Bush Administration's failed policies. These are former commanders in Iraq, and they have challenged the Administration for its stubborn refusal to listen to those commanders on the ground who have sent up warning after warning.
Do you believe that highly decorated Major Generals are "phony soldiers?"
Finally, recall the members of the 82nd Airborne in Iraq who wrote a New York Times op-ed, urging for a change in course in Iraq, and suggesting it was time to figure out the exit strategy. Two of them just died.
Do you believe these young troops are "phony soldiers?"
Will you invite Jon Soltz onto your show and say all of this again, right to the face of someone who served in Iraq?
Nick Kelly
Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.

went to Iraq and she got him back in three installments--first, remains in a coffin, later followed by ashes in an urn, and then, some more ashes in an urn.
I and some of the other military moms want Rush taken off Armed Forces radio.
Rosemary has been working with members of Congress (especially Joe Biden, and she may soon have an amendment introduced in the Senate via Sherrod Brown) for the last two years to try to end this war, and now she's running for Congress herself. You can show her some love here (even LITTLE donations help!): http://www.actblue.com/page/runningwithrosemary
She's paid her dues in sweat, tears, and blood.
"Rush Limbaugh has never worn the uniform in his life..."
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Putting on a uniform was apparently too painful with him having a boil on his ass.
Sounds like a phony excuse from a general phony in order to avoid real military service

sealed and delivered.
Just when ya think these people can't be any more vile.....
Best not say anymore.
'Someone should tell chicken-hawk Rush Limbaugh that the only phonies are those who choose not to serve and then criticize those who do. I served proudly, so did two of my fellow paratroopers in the 82nd Airborne who spoke out and died just weeks ago. Generations of American veterans have worn the uniform with pride and we know it is no contradiction to serve your country and still disagree with the Bush-civilian leadership that mismanaged this war.'
http://tinyurl.com/yuewaa
huffpo
"phony soldiers?"
While I believe the resolution on the "General Betrayus" ad was a criminal waste of the tax-payers time, the senate would be taking on the media, rather than just a PAC of youngsters. The media at it's lowest, most vile level, bottoms up, Rush
my fondest wish is to see this played out from the floor of the senate, live on c-span-2 even if it takes two full days. In any case, unless I missed something,they don't seem to be accomplishing much else worthwhile, do they?
Oppose all dumb wars of choice!...without
exception.

taking the lead on issues. Thank you, Sir. Email sent yesterday.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


Here is your phony soldier!

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

No clue how to post those YouTubes....so it's better I don't. ;)
Edit: Whoops....reply to Ruth's YouTube post.

Recently, the House passed H.R. 3159, Representative Ellen Tauscher's Ensuring Military Readiness Through Stability and Predictability Act that seeks to put an end to the Pentagon's practice of sending soldiers and Marines back to Iraq without proper rest or training.
Every day, we ask our troops to make heroic sacrifices -- yet as soon as they return we rush them back into battle. In fact, the President's surge has sent many of our Army units to Iraq for the second and third time -- without adequate rest or training. Army generals recommend that in times of war, our troops have two years away from combat after one year on the battlefield.
H.R. 3159 sets a bottom line: a minimum period of rest, recuperation and training between deployments to keep American troops at the ready.
http://www.restedandready.com/
Sign the petition
"Some of them put on their cowboy boots and put their feet up on the desk." -Wes Clark
email delivered.
"We need a higher standard of leadership." Wes Clark
Maybe off topic but digby has as an oped written by Robert Novak on Gen Clarks conduct of the Kosovo War done in the Chi SUN Times dated May 6, l999 that wasn't supportive of a gen in the field. It is the second post down. The comment section has the usual illegal bombing bs. I wonder how the rest of the republicans felt at the time?
You did much of the work to expose Bill O'Reilly for the foolish mean spirited man that he is and you did it with great style. I'm still laughing at your response to O'Reilly's warning that you should be careful who you associate with and you said "Well, I'm associating with you!" and then O'Reilly ludicrously said that you only associate with him because you're paid to.
He's been totally defanged by you and Keith Olbermann is finishing the job.
Rush is next.
Thanks for the opportunity to participate in this challenge.
Dear Mr. Limbaugh,
I read that you called Iraq War veteran, Jon Soltz , a "phony".
I also read that Mr. Soltz has asked you to say that to his face on your show.
The question is do you have the courage to invite this veteran on your show and to say to his face that he is a "phony" and to give him the opportunity to respond?
I don't think you have that courage.
Please prove me wrong.

opposing Buzz. They argued about the UCMJ and rules for reservists participating in political activity. Chris Mathews agreed with John about the rights of reservists to participate in politics, citing Lindsay Graham, who is a senator and a reservist. Buzz just seems to have a problem with politics no in favor of the war in Iraq. If it's in favor of the war in Iraq, then it's ok, according to him.
General,
Thanks so much for your action on this. We have no current candidate who can speak on national security with anywhere near the force or authority that you bring to the table. You're truly an invaluable asset to the Democratic Party, to the nation, and to the cause of a more just and peaceful world.

and it's amazing how phony people become powerful and rule this world.
I sent the e-mail and to my friends and relatives... Thank you.

lays it out quite clearly for Rush Limbaugh:
The Real Deal, by Alex
Blue Girl directed me to a very interesting story about Rush Limbaugh, who called veterans opposed to the war phony soldiers. Of course, this is the same Rush Limbaugh who threw a fit about the Moveon.org Petraeus ad, calling it "contemptible" and "indecent." Apparently anyone in the military is above criticism as long as they agree with Rush's brave belief that we should be in Iraq "as long as it takes." And I use the term 'we' loosely, as I believe the closest Rush has ever gotten to combat was watching We Were Soldiers with surround sound.
Absolutely must read the whole thing here:
http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html

Major Generals John Batiste and Paul Eatonand and it will be great if General Petraeus will eventually join them…
If one by one in the uniform and in a suit followed someone like Major Generals John Batiste and Paul Eaton, then you will see winning democratic strategies, but I guess there aren’t enough good “political soldiers” in the White House.
And it looks like there are plenty of Bush a likes who hide behind Generals and they are not even in the White House!
I am also going to add this when it comes to political weapon and media warfare, Dan Rather is one hell-of-a-soldier.
P.S. Jon Soltz and who ever is part of www.votevets.org ARE the real soldiers as well because they are not afraid to speak the truth. Salute!
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark



Win with Wes in '08