Republicanism


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Greetings everyone.

Republic doesn't have the word Cratos written in it, so a true republic is not governed by 1 leader but instead by 100 senators. There is a lot of room for good politicians in a republic, so how come American politics are struggling with just 1 leader ?

Have Socialism, Democracy & Republicanism been replaced with aristocracy & autocracy ?

Just remember that all forms of politics are vulnerable for corruption, that is why it should be our duty to always be aware and be prepared to abolish the rule of corruption at any time and any place.

Making the world a better place begins with resisting corruption.

Best regards,
Phalanx.

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Submitted by Phalanx on July 31, 2007 - 10:56am.

Republic, republic, republic.

Rome wasn't founded as a republic but as a monarchy, indeed it was Romulus who founded the Roman senate and placed them under control of the king. It was when the 7th king of Rome proofed to be an outspoken alcoholist who's unpleasant son called Sextus deliberately sexually harrassed a noble spokes women in public, that the Roman population decided to depose the monarchy and give all authority to the Roman senate.

Thus the Roman republic was founded in 509 BC by Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus & Lucius Junius Brutus.


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Submitted by early-bird on July 31, 2007 - 11:18am.

and you know the answer yes America is autocratic one party rule;  thanks for the history lesson appreciate it;  but beggers can't be choosers we have got no party if we don't have Democratic Party OR DO WE?

 

 

Charlie Rose: Without doing all the sort of dancing that I might do, say, you know, 'If you were President what would you do?' Just tell me what we ought to do.


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Submitted by Phalanx on July 31, 2007 - 11:33am.

You seem like an intelligent person, basically it is in the nature of some of us to grasp for authority. But insight must give us an understanding of what really needs to rule, I say Democracy is a true form of government just like republicanism or socialism is.

To give power to morality is a big step for the progression of our society.

That is why justice is so important, by separating us from the uncivilized we may actually take part in perfecting society so that it may become civilized.

Therefor justice & morality should be considered as the center of civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice


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Submitted by Phalanx on July 31, 2007 - 4:14pm.

A republic certainly not only belongs to the republicans, but also belongs to the population and the Democrats. A republic is a form of government controlled by the philosophers, who by ancient Greek standards are educated in practical skills, wisdom, virtue, goodness, goodwill towards the audience, rationality and no direct interest in the outcome of debate. So a politician need not necessarily be part of a republican party to be a republican, that is because Republicanism is a form of government and political line of thought.

Maybe now is a good moment to bring forward the truth.

Truth is logical information based upon facts and reality which distinguishes between valid and fallacious inference, between rational and flawed argumentation.

Formal fallacy is a pattern of reasoning which is always wrong, this is due to a flaw in the structure of the argument which renders the argument invalid.

Informal fallacy is an argument pattern that is wrong due to a mistake in its reasoning. In contrast to a formal fallacy, the error has to do with issues of rational inference that occur in natural language; which are broader than can be represented by the symbols used in formal logic.

Inductive reasoning is the process of reasoning in which the premises of an argument are believed to support the conclusion but do not ensure it.

Hasty generalization is a logical fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence.

Overwhelming exception is a logical fallacy similar to a hasty generalization. It is a generalization which is accurate, but comes with one or more qualifications which eliminate so many cases that what remains is much less impressive than the initial statement might have led one to assume.

Misleading vividness involves describing some occurrence in vivid detail, even if it is an exceptional occurrence, to convince someone that it is a problem. Though misleading vividness does nothing to support an argument logically, it can have a very strong psychological effect because of a cognitive heuristic called the availability heuristic.

Civic virtue is of utmost important for a republican senate with 100 senators, to make sure all debates progress sincerely without any fallacies, vested interest in the outcome of debate or angry politicians.

That disputes are compromised in a civilized manner with the importance of logic beyond that of personal interest.


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Submitted by Phalanx on July 31, 2007 - 5:33pm.

It says in Human Rights Preamble; "Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind", this basically means that civic virtue could become insignificant when violation of Human Rights are of the current order of affairs. This can spoil the atmosphere in a republican senate, that is why integrity and equanimity are exceptional but important during times of crisis. The flags are still when there is no wind, but the true master even remains still during times of crisis.

Just be more respectful towards each other.


Submitted by CentralMass on July 31, 2007 - 9:19pm.

"[To establish republican government, it is necessary to] effect a constitution in which the will of the nation shall have an organized control over the actions of its government, and its citizens a regular protection against its oppressions." --Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1816. ME 19:240

"[Bear] always in mind that a nation ceases to be republican only when the will of the majority ceases to be the law." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to the Citizens of Adams County, Pa., 1808. ME 12:18

If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface." --Thomas Jefferson to William T. Barry, 1822. ME 15:389

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Submitted by Phalanx on August 1, 2007 - 1:02pm.

Quote:

"If ever this vast country is brought under a single government, it will be one of the most extensive corruption, indifferent and incapable of a wholesome care over so wide a spread of surface." --Thomas Jefferson to William T. Barry, 1822. ME 15:389"

Well you see a Senate with 100 Senators from all districts of a country is not a single government but a unified government, this is why I support the republic as form of government and political line of thought. But do not forget that the republic was founded by philosophers, therefor senators should have obtained civic virtue to make a senate a more comfortable place. With direct interest in the outcome of debate, the speaker isn't paying attention to the other 99 senators present and is only interested in their own point of view.

The outcome of debate is compromised by 100 senators in a civilized manner.


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Submitted by TIMinINDIANA on August 1, 2007 - 1:05pm.

Very good thought provoking material. :-)

Don't Blame Me for the last 25 years, I voted for John Anderson in 1980 and Wes Clark in 2004. :-)


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Submitted by Phalanx on August 1, 2007 - 2:12pm.

You are welcome.

I am just writing down my ideas and experiences from what I have read in books and encyclopedias, probably I am an example of information having the right to reach the public. Because of long term sickness I was not able to finish my school, because of online encyclopedias I was able to do the studies I always wanted to do and even more than that.

What I've learned about history:

Basically the Greek Gods brought peace & stability to the Roman empire, so I figure that the classical Greek republic can bring peace and stability to the United States of America.

Public morality is a very important cornerstone of civilization.


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Submitted by TIMinINDIANA on August 1, 2007 - 2:11pm.

"Public morality is a very important cornerstone of civilization."

Don't Blame Me for the last 25 years, I voted for John Anderson in 1980 and Wes Clark in 2004. :-)


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Submitted by Phalanx on August 1, 2007 - 2:29pm.

You can not expect public morality to be of a high level when social stability is very low, when the population is sincerely educated with all the benfits of healthcare, insurances & employment then public morality will be of a higher level.

And especially the educational part is what really matters for public morality.

When public morality is of a higher level, then public order will practically follow automatically. The people who violate public order should be placed in custody, while in custody they should be morally educated. So when they leave prison, they will have achieved a higher moral and won't fall back so easily towards their earlier immoral living pattern.

Educating the general public in moral values & civic virtues will improve public order.


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Submitted by Phalanx on August 5, 2007 - 12:09pm.

Very important that the population has proper education, healthcare, insurances & employment, that's why social stability should be the #1 priority of politics. If you want to debate more political issues, visit my Blog at at http://securingamerica.com/ccn/user/2790 .


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