Obama, Pakistan, the Other Candidates, and Language


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Stan4Clark's picture

The other candidates have successfully framed what Barack Obama said about Pakistan, making it something more than Obama intended.

They're all using the words "attack" or "invade." Going into Pakistan to get Osama bin Laden isn't an attack on Pakistan nor is it an invasion of Pakistan. I think of it as a "raid," but the others are leaving the impression that it would be another Iraq.

However, Obama has made no attempt to reframe the debate, and he's getting killed.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

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Submitted by westcott on August 9, 2007 - 2:37am.

ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistan accused Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama of "sheer ignorance" for threatening to launch US military strikes against Al-Qaeda on Pakistani soil.

Obama warned Wednesday that if he is elected president, he would order US forces to hit extremist targets on Pakistan's frontier with Afghanistan if embattled military ruler President Pervez Musharraf failed to act.

"Such statements are being made out of sheer ignorance," Pakistan's Minister of State for Information, Tariq Azeem, told AFP. "They are not fully apprised about the ground realities and not aware of the efforts by Pakistan."

Islamabad has bristled against a string of similar threats in recent weeks by the administration of US President George W. Bush, whose top counter-terror official in July refused to rule out US strikes in Pakistan.

Musharraf, struggling to contain a wave of Islamist violence unleashed by the army's bloody storming of the radical Red Mosque in Islamabad three weeks ago, himself firmly rejected any US action last week.

"We have said before that we will not allow anyone to infringe our sovereignty," Azeem said.

"If there is any actionable intelligence they should tell us and only our forces will take action on it and they are quite capable of it."

The minister suggested that Obama's comments were prompted by Washington's inability to curb the ongoing Taliban insurgency in neighbouring Afghanistan, where US-led forces toppled the hardline regime in late 2001.

"This seems to be a reaction to their own failure in Afghanistan to control the US casualties and instead of addressing the situation there, they are finding scapegoats and damaging their own cause," Azeem added.

Pakistan foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam on Wednesday warned against "point-scoring" by US presidential candidates on vital security issues.

Musharraf abandoned Islamabad's support for the Taliban in the wake of the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

He has said that a top US official warned that Pakistan would be bombed back to the "stone age" if it failed to join Washington's "war on terror".

India Times Article

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I should think that this would be another one of those "Iterative processes", whereby we get President Musharraf on the horn, figure what he can and can't get done, and figure out how these things need to get done, with overt or covert approval from Pakistani authority. But I'm not running for anything!


Submitted by CentralMass on August 9, 2007 - 10:07pm.

Well, I'm not running for office but I like Obama frankness nuch more the political coorectness and excuses from everyone else.

Maybe I'm dense but Pakistan is the threat, not Iran. They have nukes. They have propagated nuclear expertise and components to rogue states. They are responsbile for the Taliban taking over Afghanistan and are almost cetainly harboring Bin Laden and Al-Quida. If there is a single country responsible for 911, there it is.

Stop selling them F16's and make it abundently clear that if they or any entites that they are harboring harm cause to the US or any of it's interests, there will be a swift and proportional response.

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on August 9, 2007 - 11:46pm.

Like Iran is. But, I can't quite say that they're a staunch ally, either. I just hope that if we have to raid Pakistan to get bin Laden, they will look the other way.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!


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