Now this was after Joe Lieberman became an independent and was re-elected in Nov. 2006.

From the Huffington Post

Posted December 7, 2006 | 12:50 PM (EST)
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Reality Check: As Violence Escalates in Iraq, Hillary Holds Press Conference on Violent Video Games

Hot on the heels of the release of the Iraq Study Group Report -- and a day in which 10 U.S. servicemen were killed and at least 84 Iraqis were blown up or shot -- prospective presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will join with Joe Lieberman to hold a press conference today at 3 pm ET to announce the launch of a television PSA campaign about... video game ratings.

Oh. My. God.

The violence in Iraq is becoming more savage by the minute -- among the dead yesterday were 45 bullet-riddled corpses found in Baghdad, many of whom had been tortured before being executed -- and Hillary is worried about video game violence? Are you kidding me?

Could she be any more politically tone deaf?

Unfortunately, given the realities of the space/time continuum, I won't be able to make it to Washington in time for the press conference -- so could someone there please ask Hillary about her priorities?

Is she really going to make a big deal about Resident Evil or Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas when we have real tortured and mutilated bodies piling up all across Iraq?

This press conference should be rated UC -- Utterly Clueless.

there's no relationship between seeding violence into kids & war. So crappy of Hillary Clinton to continue to be champion children's issues.  

You do know that the PMRC Lieberman fetish group (parental advisory labelers) was a big player in the crazy heyday ultra liberal 90s, right? They are part of a wider group alliance responsible for engineering Lieberman onto Gore's ticket, etc.

Senators have to do a lot of tiresome crap like forge alliances, work with activist groups on all sides of the spectrum, cut ribbons, dedicate bridges & weigh in on such hefty matters as parental concerns.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the whole V-chip thing, but parents need ways to have technology help them instead of hinder them. 

WRESTLING FOR OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE

Violence on TV has become so prevalent, we've all become a bit numb. Children are exposed to 8,000 murders and 100,000 acts of violence on TV by the time they complete elementary school. A recent survey found that prime time TV viewers see a violent scene every four minutes. And a recent study by Children Now found that almost three-fourths of children ages 10-17 describe males on TV as violent.

But as troubling as those statistics are, they don't tell the whole story. Every day as many children are killed by guns in the U.S. as died at Columbine. But where are the headlines? Where are the magazine covers? Where are the talk shows sympathizing with the grieving loved ones of these victims? The problem with statistics is that they are bloodless. They're just numbers. It's too easy to forget the humanity behind them. I never thought I'd be quoting Stalin, but he understood this aspect of human psychology when he said "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." 

--

You can't find something from this year? 

Peace takes Power

I can

...and it too involves waltzing with Lieberman,
strike up the band - part 2

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

how siding with most parents against violent video games hurts someone & using her stance on violent video games to somehow bludgeon her about Iran? Come on. 

If I'm not mistaken, K/L has been discussed here ad nauseum- Did you miss Wes's op-ed at the Huffpo? 

It's right here: 

I Support Hillary's Position on Iran

the "I" there = "Wes Clark"  

video ratings was not my issue, I'm not sure why it was raised

certainly I read Wes's op-ed, are you kidding me?

Sadly, I disagree on the issue of k/l.

If not mistaken, this diary is about Foreign Policy. Who's got the creds, who doesn't? Sorry, but k/l does not disappear. Surely a more substantial fp issue than who was doing what at age 10.

so when you asked, I answered.

Sorry if you feel that was out of line.

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

when you responded to me, maybe you could read the string above it to see the context & why I am mentioning video games.

You then triumphantly brought up K/L like some kind of smoking gun. I was talking to latin about their choice of damning Clinton's work against video violence & twisting it into an opportunity to slam her against the war.

I'd like her to serve her constituents & I suspect her job might involve doing lots of different things with lots of different groups, like parents groups. I also think she has a long public record & shouldn't be judged entirely on one NONBINDING vote. But that's just me. 

Yeah, I'm very familiar with the issue that dogged this blog for about a month!

...and will continue to dog the election for about a full year.

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

My reply was in response to this part of Mitch's blog, in which he used an article from March 2006 to go after Obama in regards to Lieberman. So, I thought it was only fair to also use something from 2006 in regards to Hillary Clinton and Lieberman, who was still working with Lieberman even after he became an independent, and continues to do so (K-L Resoluation comes to mind), and that on that particular day in Dec. 2006, when the Senators were taking to the floor to discuss the Iraq Study Group report, Hillary Clinton decided to skip that and do this with Lieberman instead.

And there's more. In May 2006, Hillary Clinton sent a letter to the delegates to the Connecticutt convention urging them to support Lieberman at the convention in May 2006 and in the primary in August 2006.

Dear Delegate:

When Bill and I were at Yale Law School, he volunteered to work on the campaign of a young man who was running for State Senate. The candidate's name was Joe Lieberman.
When I started running for the Senate in New York in 1999, many people thought I didn't have a chance. One sitting senator, however, provided me significant help early on in my campaign. That was Senator Joe Lieberman.

In the Senate, I have had the pleasure of getting to know Joe even better. We work together on both the Armed Services and Environment and Public Works Committees and I have seen his leadership first hand. He has repeatedly led the fight against the big oil companies that want to drill in the Arctic, he has championed innovative alternative energy solutions and his bill to combat global warming is the most thoughtful and comprehensive that's been proposed.

As Senators from neighboring states, Joe and I have worked on many issues together: strengthening support for first responders, improving children's health care, and cleaning up Long Island Sound so that families in New York and Connecticut can enjoy it for generations to come.

Last year, right after the 2004 election, President Bush announced that privatizing Social Security was his highest priority. Joe Lieberman fought tooth and nail to protect the guarantee of Social Security that this country has honored for seven decades to its senior citizens.

And Joe has also fought the Administration's outrageous attempts to gut Medicare and Medicaid and he has been a consistent critic of their ill conceived prescription drug plan. Now Joe is working hard to see if he can help improve that plan.

I believe that the 2006 election is a particularly important one for our country. We have the chance to put Democrats in control of the Senate and the House, to curb the excesses of one party Republican rule and hold Republicans accountable for their actions. Keeping Joe Lieberman in the Senate is an important part of that victory plan.

I know that you may not agree with Joe on all the issues. I don't either. But I know that he is a man of integrity and of devotion to the people of his state and the future of his country.

I hope when you cast your vote on May 20th and then again on August 8th that you will vote to send my friend Joe Lieberman back to the Senate.

Many thanks,
Senator Hillary Clinton

And Bill Clinton campaigned for Lieberman in July 2006.

So, if Mitch wants to use Lieberman against Obama because as the keynote speaker for a Connecticutt State Democratic Party fundraiser in March 2006, Obama supported the re-election of Lieberman, then Mitch should also use Lieberman against Clinton for also supporting the re-election of Lieberman in the spring and summer of 2006.

has the Senate by the balls.

Not just individuals. The institution itself.

edit:

And the oil cartels have got it by the throat.

reasoning is the following:

1) Joe Lieberman was NEVER a "mentor" to Hillary like he was to Obama:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/

Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman

By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer | March 31, 2006

HARTFORD, Conn. --"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman...

Lieberman became Obama's mentor when Obama was sworn into the Senate in 2005. They stayed close at Thursday night's event, too, entering the room together and working the crowd in tandem..."

2) Hillary supported Joe Lieberman during the 2006 CT Senate primary race ONLY and she clearly pledged to support in the general election whoever the Democratic nominee was just like how Chris Dodd did. When Lieberman lost the primary race, Hillary and Chris Dodd immediately switched their support to Ned Lamont and Hillary gave Lamont's campaign $5000 right away.

Other respectable Democrats also supported Joe Lieberman in that primary but NOT in the general election 2006 CT Senate race!

But my main question to you is when was Joe Lieberman ever a "mentor" to Hillary in their personal relationship like how he clearly was to Obama?

As you say, Lieberman "became" Obama's mentor, Obama didn't select him.

on. And that fraud Joe also. How do you think it gets into young people that war is ok? That blowing peoples heads off is an acceptable reaction to conflict. That violence is always the answer. It is not until they pull the trigger or have it pulled on them, whether in a Baghdad street or on Main Street USA, that they realize that blood is not digital and that death does not have a reset button.

"...I must emphasize and
explain repeatedly the moral dimensions of all
social life, and point out that morality is, in
fact, hidden in everything..."

- Vaclav Havel, "Summer Mediatations", 1993

I am sure that Barack Obama is probably a very sincere person as well as being a good Senator for Illinois BUT he is in way over his head running for President right now in my opinion!

when you said "This is NOT about personality, its about knowledge, experience, and connections."

Gen. Clark definitely has a seat at Hillary's table and she will seriously listen to him if he has something to say while we do not know where Gen. Clark stands with Obama.

Yes, Wes certainly will, and from the picture posted, I believe Wes has Hillary's ear. Also, I think he feels he can do more to save our Country, by not sitting in the Oval Office, but by being able to meet with many foreign leaders where he has prestige and strong repoire' is respected (already doing it..China).
His strongest leadership will be in moving from Country to Country, negotiating with World heads of state, and also continue working with the House and Senate in a Leadership negotiations, guiding them to form the needed bills to change the direction of the country. The Presidents role is not the only one that makes the decisions (could have fooled me the past 7 years) there are 3 branches of gov't, with equal power. Hillary, if elected will need someone strong, smart, and well respected, to get the the congress together with all that needs to be repaired in our Country.

I really believe THIS is where he wants to be, and knows Hillary in the OVAL OFFICE as President, will get him where he feels he can do the most good for the USA and the WORLD.

Remember, when you can do GOOD, you SHOULD!!!

Maybe, maybe not. A Time to Lead has enlightened to me. All the great speeches and ability to inspire mean nothing without performance to back that up. And I haven't seen much performance from Obama -- performance in terms of legislation, performance in terms of attendance. He hasn't been on the national scene long enough to have much of a performance record.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

The Dems will decide whether they want the turkey they know, or a different kind of bird.

The Union will survive, whatever the result, so I am not worried.

Peace to you, Stan.

And greetings from Lubbock. (Had I said that already?)

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

Exactly what meant when I said the future will determine his ability to be successful in the future. He hasn't been in the scene long enough, and also as a senator, it is difficult to get elected.
The american people are so upset right now, that taking a chance on a newbie, will be difficult. They tend to go with who they know, and had experience with in the positive. America went with change with George, and where did that take us....a repeat of 1986 market crash!!Deep recession...so I believe the seasoned voters, will go with the known and after researching all the polls it looks like its leaning that way on a national scale.Here is a good site to look up nationally listed polls statewide.

http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

I highly recommend watching "No Middle Way" starring Keane, Kagan and O'Hanlon with Graham as master of ceremonies extraordinaire, if you're able. It should be archived at c-span, Sept. 2007

Damn, I do hope Wes has her ear since the endorsement. (maybe this trio is what drove him to it?)

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

Oh puleeze. If you think for one instant that Wes would bend to those guys' pressure, you have forgotten everything you ever knew about the General. imho.

Or is this another sideways slap at Gen. Clark and his agenda?

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

No, it was hardly a slap at Wes Clark.

But at this point I would certainly expect no less than for you to suggest such a thing, Arky...and for someone to rate you up for it of course.

I'm not at all concerned that Wes would bend to these thugs. Ever. It's the endorsee that I question. Why would she pick them to advise her on fp?

This would be like Wes going into enemy territory. Like Wes on FOXNEWS in my view. I hope he straightens them out.

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

Perhaps she, like Wes Clark, wants various opinions and viewpoints to gain a broader perspective of the issues and options. Heavens to Betsy, someone that looks at all facets of an issue. We can't have that now, can we.
Hell, Obama is saying he'll have Republicans in his Administration! Is that triangulating? Wanting to have it both ways? Name me one Republican you'd be happy to have in a Dem Admin.
I don't want a Repuke within 10 miles of the WH.

Why dost thou be indignant when I question your snipe at Clark?
So far, all of your posts I've seen have been derogatory of Hillary and of Wes' support of her.
As the General said at the DNC in 2004, "Hear this soldier!"
Why don't you listen to that "soldier?" Apparently any/everything he has said and written on this makes not a whit of difference to you. Do you stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalalalala" so as not to hear?
Sorry but I'm sticking with Wes, I still trust his judgement, and he knows the players much better than I.

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

If I had not listened to every single one of Wes Clark's policies over the past 4 years (and beyond actually) I would have very few questions on foreign policy or any number of domestic issues for any of these candidates.

Wes Clark turned my brain on, bingo! and I'm not about to turn it off now. I intend to keep on asking the questions of all the candidates.

I don't have to prove my loyalty to Wes Clark on your terms. And you, of course, you're free do as you damned well please.

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

All the candidates? Seems you've been stuck on Hillary's case since Wes endorsed her.
Got any questions for Obama? SOMW? Biden? Dodd?
I hope you'll get around to them, eventually.

As for me, I'm taking a powder.

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

Did you ever have any serious questions about Hillary? This suggestion that those of us who aren't Hillary supporters have just suddenly come up with questions about her after Clark's endorsement is based on what? My questions about Hillary Clinton pre-dated Clark's endorsement and they didn't go away just because he endorsed her. And, yes, I have lots of questions about Edwards, which is why I would never support him for the nomination. And Biden and Dodd, yes, also, but not the usual quesions that are thrown up here and elsewhere. You know, where everytime Biden's name is mentioned, at least one person jumps up to yell "bankruptcy bill" or when Dodd't name is mentioned at least one person jumps up to yell "credit cards". Are those concerns of mine, sure, but I'm waiting for the time when someone here responds to Biden's name by saying "Violence Against Women Act", or when someone here responds to Dodd's name by saying "family medical leave act" or "Headstart". Why am I waiting for that? Because it will indicate that some actual homework has been done on these candidates and a decision made on the whole picture of someone and not just one issue.

More than once lately, you have thrown out a question that makes me wonder if you really don't know the answer and, more importantly, why you don't know the answer. For example, just recently you asked "who are Obama's foreign policy advisors", and I'm thinking, why doesn't she know that, and if she doesn't, why doesn't she go find out, since it's out there to find if you're really interested in the answer to that question. And then, just the other day, you asked "why DID Obama run for the Senate", and, again, maybe some time on the internet doing research would provide the answer. On the other hand, maybe you're just throwing out questions about Obama that you don't think anyone can answer effectively, or will take the time to answer at all.

I know quite a bit about Hillary as I am a lifelong resident of Arkansas.
As for why I don't surf around the net looking up many things, I have slow dial-up that runs at 20K if I'm lucky.
Sorry, I won't ask any more questions since you have decided answering them is a waste of time.

Wes Clark: Soldier, Scholar, Statesman.

you should spend all day researching candidates you have already decided not to support, that makes total sense.

I know I love to spend my time learning the finer points of Biden's partition plan, you know, the concept that worked in the Balkans which WKC has said is not the right way to go here.

Or take Richardson't brilliant "One Point Plan for Iraq: Out Now!"

It's a floor wax. It's a desert topping!

Poof! It's all okay again! Like there was no war at all. 

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. 

It seemed obvious in context. If she is being advised by what you consider to be three terrible players, then maybe Wes felt the obligation to get in there and be the voice to counteract their advice. I don't buy that that would be reason enough for him to publicly endorse her, but you weren't in any way swiping at Wes.

"As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." - Oscar Wilde

bingo!

It was quite obvious in context.

Happy TG, WMCB!

"The citizen who sees his society's democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry out is not a patriot but a traitor."  -- Mark Twain

:-)

"As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." - Oscar Wilde

Wes would build more and more and more on why he likes Hillary. That would help a lot. He's done some of it (see Ruth O's latest blog), but the more the better. I really feel like Hillary's got "it" when it comes to leadership and Obama doesn't. But since Wes has got "it" like cubed, I think it would be a tremendous boost for Hillary if Wes just talked about that more.

Experience, positions, those are important things but all they do is reinforce the "it" if "it" is there. Show us the "it," Wes.

[I don't feel so ridiculous saying "it" since Sestak says "it" all the time. I guess I stole it from him. :) ]

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

There were two Clarkie's in attendance, both undecided, still undecided. General Clark lowered & shooked his head as if to say, what more can I do to convince you? At that point he said he knew Obama and that he's a nice guy. I can't quote him exactly but he said something about playing basketball with Obama. I'm not sure if he said he'd like to or he did. Maybe Zoey can chime in about that. Either way, it was a derogatory statement. It didn't fly well with me because I believe Obama to be an exceptional human being. If there is something specific to criticize then by all means he should give it his best shot.

"Some of them put on their cowboy boots and put their feet up on the desk." -Wes Clark

I think it would be useful for you to write exactly what you need to hear from Wes to make up your mind. Put it in a letter and send it off to WesPAC via snail mail (email it to Mary Lee too).

I know exactly what you're talking about with his non-specific criticisms of Obama. I think that he doesn't want to make specific criticisms of other democrats. (I'm guessing here.) I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I've actually decided that might be OK, because it might just be that his criticism of Obama is really not the issue. I got the same feeling from Sestak. It's not about Obama being weak. It's about them being so sure that Hillary can do a great job and that they don't see in him the things they see in her. There isn't anything specific there.

That's why I wish he'd talk about Hillary the way we talk about him. If he got that wistful "I'd follow this person to hell and back" look in his eyes when he talked about her, the way we all do when we talk about him, then he wouldn't need to criticize Obama to convince us.

But, I digress... that's what *I* feel and I'm not in Iowa. I think you should put together what you feel and get it to Wes. And I think Zoey should do the same. While I think it would be OK to post some of it here, I think you'd feel more comfortable saying what you really feel, without worrying about what some spy might do with it, if you kept at least some of the letter private.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

There is a part of me in my gut that wonders if there is more to this. There is a part of me that wonders if things with Iran and allies and the ME and PNAC are more convoluted and involving more levels of government (not only elected, but the career guys) than we know. Yeah, I know we all know it's been dire, but I think it could be more than Wes is able to share. There is a part of me that wonders if Wes and Hillary and some others on her team know more than they are saying (or even can say), but they have a plan to derail the madness if they can get her in the Whitehouse.

If that's the case, I wish there was a way for him to say it without saying it.

Okay, you can all tell me to put on my tinfoil hat now.

"As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." - Oscar Wilde

If you have not listened to the Mason City audio it is worth your time.

Check out Clark Quotes from Mason City, IA
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/comment/reply/13944

Thanks for a good post.

I hadn't realized there was so much there. It was definitely worth listening to.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

I would like to hear Wes and Gert expound on their personal relationship with Hillary through the years. I keep hearing how wonderful, witty and truly human she is.

This is the element missing so far.

I agree totally. I have seen no sense of humanity, humor or anything else out of the ordinary in what has been shown of Senator Clinton. Maybe she needs to come around and sit a while. Since I am in Pennsylvania -- well out of reach of any possible influence on the nomination, I guess that won't happen.

"I keep hearing how wonderful, witty and truly human she is.

This is the element missing so far."

"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau

I was surrounded by a foreign-speaking family. Does that count as foreign policy experience? Besides the area I lived in was heavily Dutch. Maybe I should write a book, call it the Audacity of a Con Man, and then run for president. Also, I think I have spent more time overseas, hanging out in Holland, Italy, and Germany, (etc.) than most of the candidates. I am and was so "there."

We need to replace their thugs with our hugs.

I think the key is to build up Hillary and not to necessarily shoot down Obama. I think that's the path Wes is taking. Let's face it, if we were selling Wes, we wouldn't need to be shooting down anyone else. If a leader is shiny enough, everyone around them can be shining too, and they'll still stand out from the crowd. So, I'm planning to just watch Wes put a spit shine on Hillary for me and see what happens.

'Course, you can't polish a turd... (I'm not calling anyone a turd; I just needed to throw that in there before someone else did.)

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

by supposedly intelligent people are so ridiculous that they need to be shot down. Imagine if Hillary had said that her FP experience came from moving from Chicago to Arkansas.

We need to replace their thugs with our thugs.

As Kat mentioned, Biden put that quite well, but it's probably time to move on and work on shining up Hillary again.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

his recent and extensive FP experience. Whoops, I forgot - he doesn't have any. Just what we need right now. :)

We need to replace their thugs with our thugs.

Is it really his lack of FP experience that's the problem or is it more his lack of FP maturity?

You can hire people who have experience if you know how to use them. And you can have all the experience in the world and still be a raving lunatic.

Like I said, I really don't want to disparage Obama, but I feel that saying it's a lack of experience is the wrong wording. It's a lack of maturity, and while aging (and experience) are inevitable, maturing is optional.

Sort of as a backward way of defending him, I'd say that perhaps his lack of maturity leads him to believe that living overseas when he was a child counts as "experience." It's a good thing, to be sure, to have a multi-culutural awareness. And that's certainly worth something. But you don't say that. You show it. And knowing the difference comes with maturity.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

You can hire experts for their know-how, but the president (In bush's case, the VP.) still has to make the final decision, based on their cumulative experiences, knowledge, maturity, judgment, and maybe gut feeling. Right now, although she's not perfect (like me), I'm afraid Hillary is at the head of the class.

We need to replace them with us.

Can't you see the Republicans in the GE running and re-running a video of Barack Hussein Obama making this ridiculous comment.

It's over before it begins!

Biden is a hoot.

"Madam President has a nice ring to it." So saith my daughter.

Too bad the Press is not looking at old faces. The Fourth Estate decides who has a chance to run.

Biden would be a great president and an amusing one to boot.

and his 'guys.'

"Edwards’ spokesman Chris Kofinis released a "definition" of the term "mudslinging," calling it "the use of insults and accusations, esp. unjust ones, with the aim of damaging the reputation of an opponent."

"As in: Hillary Clinton said about Barack Obama, ‘Now voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next president will face,’" Kofinis said."

Playing the rep game, call something 'mud,' and say it often enough, it becomes mud.

HRC was suggesting that the voters would do exactly what voters are supposed to do, judge between contestants.

...in her comment on Obama's claim that his living abroad as a child gave him experience in foreign policy. She didn't assault his character, but questioned the validity of his statement.

Edwards, on the other hand, has come very close to calling Hillary corrupt. That's character assassination as well as mudslinging.

Questioning one's policies and credentials is a perfectly valid thing to do in politics. Questioning one's character without any factual basis crosses the line, in my opinion.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Don't settle for less.
Make America All It Can Be!

she was stating the facts and putting them before the voters, to decide on their adequacy.

I didn't see any "leadership" or good "judgement" from Obama regarding the K