General Clark on O'Reilly Factor Discussion Thread (10/3/05)
on O'Reilly's program and from the excerpts of Geraldo Rivera's program that I've read, I think it's time General Clark brings these types of interviews over to the other networks.
The discussions he has been having in the past two days should be heard by everyone within earshot.
I think it's time his people started moving him over to the other networks.
The situation in Iraq is being overshadowed by too many other issues and it's time to bring it back to the forefront. General Clark needs to do this.
debrief the General!
...everyone is pulling for DeLay
If the General doesn't come on soon, my head will explode
"George Bush has had his day and he's bollixed it up."
Dick Morris and the new nasty lizard in Florida, which is just coming up first. Or do you think he means that DM is the new nasty lizard?
is anyone going to record Wes's appearance tonight? I already wasted 20 minutes watching O'reilly and no Clark yet. Would hate to have to watch for another 30 minutes before Wes...anyone know what time he is gonna be on?
so I heartedly thank you guys who are suffering through O'Lielly to report on Wes' appearance...
"...when politicians screw up it is the duty of the opposing party to point out to the people how badly they screwed it up so that the people don't make the same mistake in the future." Wes Clark Jr
Dick Morris has a proposal to alleviate home heating oil prices. Bwahahahahaha AND, it's a subsidy! Somebody PLEASE make this stop. Where is Wes? Where is Wes? Where is Wes? Where is Wes? Where is Wes?
more of a gamble...he said we should sell the oil in our strategic reserve now for $60 a barrel and use that money to pay for katrina...then buy back the oil when it is $35 a barrel....not a bad idea if oil actually was going back to $35 a barrel...which it probally will not
talking about Iraq now. All we need is for that Anna Nicole woman to come and talk about Iraq as well.
energy discussion- Dick Morris & O'Clownly...
Overall, this just reminds me of what the neo-cons did so gleefully in California with Enron- now they'll be able to do it on a national scale. I know in my region protections have been removed for the indigent & people unable to pay their fuel bills.. Hey, those (secret) Energy Task Force meetings are HARD WORK!!!
with Hilary. Says Condi should run against Hilary and all the blacks will vote for Condi and Condo will become president. In his dreams!
Like Southern Republicans are going to vote for a black woman.
ROFL!
Like Democrats in the primary are going to vote for Hillary!! Most Dems are anti-war and she's a war monger.
Get real, Dick.
Gulf area and do her lady bountiful act, but we didn't hear much about it. Any black American that I've spoken to loves both Clintons anyway.
Right black women are going to vote for Condi over Hillary just because she is black. If this is how the GOP does outreach it is no wonder they are unsuccessful - how wrong and how utterly condescending. African-Americans are perfectly aware of how the GOP operates with regards to putting for African-American candidates or appointees.
Why do I get the feeling BO is messing with the General. He was supposed to be on at 8pm according to WesPAC. Sheesh!
"George Bush has had his day and he's bollixed it up."
or another stall?
Looking forward to hear what Clark has to say this evening...
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Wes Clark
The adds were showing Wes at the studio and they were hyping the interview as "explosive". I hope they don't edit too much. O'Reilly edited Biden and took him out of context.
olive green tie, tan jacket
No, not a three-legged stool!!! AHHH!!!
Hideous tied, by the way; actually, the tie is nice. But not with that jacket.
to succeed in Iraq,
Will it be explosive, like the said?
down and Wes is not going to let him!
Wes asked BO whether he had been over to Iraq. He hasnt said he;d been to the are and Wes said he had too.
BO is trying to say that he knows more than Wes!!
is such an imbecile - he's acting as though he's on par with a retired 4-star general. He has NO CLUE!
Tan suit, green (?) tie, white shirt - looks like he's from LR. He continues the three "legs" he's mentioned so often before and notes the Bush administration has never handled the diplomacy part. Notes the administration doesn't want to talk to Syria and Iran, but we need to. Bush made it clean Syria and Iran were next. Our mission is being held hostage by the neighbors. We've got to talk to the neighbors. Wes says we can go into Syria and start "working it." BO says he agrees it's workable in Syria, but not in Iraq. Wes asks if Bill has been over Iran. BO says no. Wes says he's been there and there all elements there who want to talk. We need to do it by finding common interests - no one wants a major war in Iraq. BO disagrees. Wes says that Iran can't win a war in Iraq. You've got Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. who are willing to use Al Quaeda when necessary. We need to work on that regional dialogue. Get them to guarantee Iraq's border. BO doesn't think it will work. But does seem to think it's worth trying. Wes says we've got to engage Iran. We need to talk to people before we bomb them.
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark
caught my ear.....excerpt from FrenchieCat's posting at DU...
"Wes asked O'lielly if he had been to Iran and talked to the leadership there. O'Lielly...."well I've been close to there..."
LOL!"
"Wes said, well I've been there, and several Iranians wanted to talk to me."
The "several Iranians wanted to talk to me." literally jumped right out at me. I watched the repeat later and that is exactly what he said.
I think this is most significant for General Clark to be saying this. There are Iranians who wanted to talk to HIM.
He needs a medal for putting up with that arseh*le
"George Bush has had his day and he's bollixed it up."
What is with the studio in Little Rock?? General Clark always looks washed out and virtually monochromatic when he's taping in that studio. Can't something be done about it? Citizen
This must be the part that was supposed to be explosive. BO doesn't want any more pictures (Hellerstein, Newsweek?) to be published. He chides Wes saying Wes knows what war is like. Wes responds angrily, no, the army he's been a part of always followed a chain of command and torture was not allowed. They were to follow the Geneva Conventions. BO argues over him (tries to, ha, ha!!) and refers to Viet Nam. Wes argues over BO and tells him those people were court-martialed, torture was not allowed. Wes wants a full investigation. He wants to see the pictures.
Obvious (and angry, though controlled) disagreement here. But BO cannot roll over Wes!! Wes stands his own. Wes stands for integrity!! Woo-eee!! This is the man we need to be president!!
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark
Green tie
Always take 3-legged stool- military, politics, diplomacy.
First year- leg one, military. Now have political, constitution. Must work diplomacy- Turkey Jordan, Kuwait-no problem. Syria , Iran a problem. We let Syria and Iran know they're next They have no incentive to talk to us. Mission held hostage by neighbors.
Can start working it. Bashir has 9 intelligence working against him.
Have you been to Iran? Have you been there?
People there want to talk. Can you do it so it doesnt look like weakness.
Must find common interest. No one wants a war. Iran can't win that war.
In Southern Iraq Iran calls the shots, but not the whole country.
A lot of countries use al Qaeda when it suites them. It doesn't suit them here.
Reagional dialog, train forces, step back as regional protector.
Iran most difficult. Nothing wrong with talking to people before you use force.
A lot of us don't know what's in abuse photots. Captain in 82nd said torture was condoned by his unit. Army I served in did not beat up and torture people. Those who did were punished not condoned by chain of command. Volunteer fighting war on terror. They need to live up to American values. We need a complete investigation right up to White House memos.
Not having Geneva Conventionn enforced put troops in danger,. Can 't win war on terror by torturing people.
The world is always going to be ruled by people who want to rule the world.
O'L agrees with him! Imagine!
who or what the fu*k makes O'Lielly think he knows anything about anything and that his pompous know-it-all attitude is the substitute for intelligence, class, and experience. He's trying to tell a General how to fight a war? What a total dipshit. He's the closest thing to a pure ignoramus I've ever seen. Why should we give the proverbial two hoots in hell what O thinks?
Why?
I remember one of the last times that the General was on the Factor. Wes said "I'm a military guy" Orelly said "I'm a political analyst." Hahaha - as if the two are in any way equal. What a goof.
Also - broken record here - we need to write to Fox and tell them we are glad that the General is on their shows.
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Who said basically the same thing. Wes made O'Lielly look like an ignoramous. Not that he isn't one, mind you.....but Wes made him look worse because he didn't allow O'Lielly to gain the upper hand. He did it in a cool, calm and collected manner, too. Boy he looked and sounded presidential, didn't he! WOW!!!
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
three-legged stool - and explanation of all the "legs" out there over the airwaves - into the sheeple brains, such as they are. That's such a good thing! Even the sheeple are saying "that makes sense."
Wes, I'm so proud of you, as always! You NEVER let anybody, no matter how obnoxious, get over on you anymore - NEVER EVER! You always get your salient, logical, well-thought out points out there for the people to digest - great job, Wes! Eat dirt, O'Lielly!
Is anybody still watching this? Some comment just came up about O'L in a speedo. The alligator guy he's talking to just said, "Hold on, Bill, I can't get beyond the Speedo thing."
I agree with your previous statement 100%. ;-)
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
Wes would have pointed out that secrecy is NOT helpful and that trying to sweep what's been done "under the rug" doesn't change the fact that it happened.
Yeah, I wish he'd said that too. That would have been perfect. But he was pretty darn close to perfect!
The thing that really lit my fuse was O'Liely trying to make it sound like he cares more about our troops over there than Wes does.
GMAFB...he was a cheerleader for B*sh and this war from start to...well can't say to finish since now he's doin' the "oops if I do these steps just right it won't look like I'm tip toeing through sh*t" dance.
I got the feeling Wes would have liked to really smack him for that little bit of nonsense.
Yes - how did you like the O'Reilly monologue leading up to introducing the General? Is Bill going to run for dog catcher or something?
I can see him in a little hat chasing dogs around with that net thing, tripping over stuff and falling on his face.
The world is always going to be ruled by people who want to rule the world.
Obviously, I don't have the fortitude of a General. Ugh! These things can be hard to watch. I wish c-span had shown the lobster supper in Maine. Now THAT I would have enjoyed.
Hate it when O'lielly ALWAYS have to say the last thing!! What a Arst!!
Clark is DA MAN
Clark2008
The only way to beat a bully like O'Lielly is with the FACTS. Wes had those and then some. O'Lielly came across as the ignorant loud mouth that he is. Wes chewed him up and spit him out and he did it diplomatically.
WOO HOO.....I watched it with a skeptic and it made a believer out of him. Score one for the home team.....Wes Clark is a winner!
I don't approve of political jokes.....I've seen too many of them get elected.
Good to hear it...Thanks all for the reporting!
"...when politicians screw up it is the duty of the opposing party to point out to the people how badly they screwed it up so that the people don't make the same mistake in the future." Wes Clark Jr
That is so cool!! Wow and wow!!
I can't wait to see it again!! I hope someone posts the video!! :D
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
--Hunter/Garcia
As much as I hate FOX, I am so very glad that FOX viewers are getting to see the General in action and hear his commentary. It is so basic and so very sensible. And he will not allow BO to get away with his usual pontification. Wes comes right back - with reason and insight!!
Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark
For the record, I avoid Faux News like the plague and refuse to buy anything they advertise. I know my little protest will not count for much, but it makes me feel better.
Dildo O'Really is pure scum.
I do look forward to see another video being posted here soon.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.
~George Washington