What the other side is saying about Obama that WILL come up IF he is nominated!


Hello Everyone:

I have already argued "It is my opinion that Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, and the GOP definitely want to run against Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton in the 2008 general election because they know that Obama will be very easy to negatively define as a candidate with his extremely thin resume in a post-9/11 world and they also know that Obama does not know how to fight back against their swiftboat attacks like how Bill and Hillary Clinton do:" 

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14328

ANALYSIS: Why are Rush Limbaugh & Karl Rove so eager to give Obama their advice?

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 6, 2008 - 2:15am.

As a media monitor, I am always looking at what the other side is saying because you have to know what they are saying in order to be able to effectively fight back against them!

Below is what the other side is already saying about Barack Obama right now that is receiving very little media attention through "Obamamania" which will definitely come up in the general election IF he is the nominee.  That is why we have to be aware of this RIGHT NOW during the primary process before the nominee is decided!

1) Right below is the Newshounds article from 1/17/08 titled "One Day After Hannity Decried Racially Divisive Politics, He Tried To Smear Obama As An Anti-White, Anti-Semitic Bigot" where Sean Hannity brought up Obama’s minister (Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright) who selected the highly controversial Louis Farrakhan for an award for epitomizing greatness.  Here is the YouTube video link of Hannity & Colmes to watch Sean Hannity bringing up Obama, his minister, and Farrakhan as a campaign issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6DPiXPkevk

Hannity Back At The Race-Card Playing Table  (03:02)

Here is the Washington Post link which is related to this story:  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Obama's Farrakhan Test

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, January 15, 2008; Page A13

2) Below the Newshounds article is where Drudge reported this about Obama's minister Jeremiah Wright:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Preacher: Clinton 'did same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky'... 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-te.preacher16jan16,0,1629577.story?track=rss

Obama's spiritual mentor

Powerhouse Chicago preacher draws attention, and plenty of controversy

By Michael Hill | Sun Reporter January 16, 2008

CHICAGO - "The packed house at Trinity United - some 3,000 in all - had been in the pews for almost two hours, energized by a 200-voice choir and a rousing dance performance Sunday, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright stepped up to speak.

Wright is well-known in Chicago and in the black church world for taking over a small United Church of Christ congregation in 1972 and turning it into an 8,000-member powerhouse. More recently, his name has become familiar as the longtime spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, who joined the church in 1988 - a move Obama says was important to shaping his identity as an African-American.

The connection has thrown a spotlight on some of Wright's more controversial remarks in a church that advertises itself as "unashamedly Black and unapologetically Christian" - at times espousing a black liberation theology that can sound as exclusionary as Obama's message is inclusionary. He has also equated Zionism with racism...

It is just such rhetoric that has made Wright's remarks an occasional staple on conservative talk shows. They often make the rounds in anti-Obama e-mail.

On occasion, the Illinois senator has distanced himself from Wright. In the past, the campaign has issued statements saying that Obama does not agree with all of Wright's comments. An invitation to Wright to give the invocation at Obama's announcement of his presidential candidacy last year was rescinded at the last moment, reportedly to keep the spotlight on Obama and not on Wright.

Just yesterday, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen noted that a magazine associated with Trinity United once named Louis Farrakhan as its person of the year, praising the Nation of Islam leader. Cohen called on Obama to denounce such praise of Farrakhan, known for statements deemed anti-Semitic..."

As the article mentions, this is what is being brought up on "conservative talk shows" right now!

3) Below what Drudge reported is a Salon.com article from 12/17/07 titled "Why conservatives love Barack Obama" which says about the other side "So powerful is their fury that they will not hesitate to promote the career of a liberal black politician whose background and religious affiliation they regard with suspicion. Of course, they're also quite confident that they can bring him down later, too."

This article gives a very sobering warning that I think all people must be aware of right now:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/21/right_and_obama/

Why conservatives love Barack Obama

"But nobody should imagine that the right-wing media whose voices now praise Obama will continue to do so if he wins the Democratic nomination, or that the mainstream media, which still takes so many cues from the right, will do likewise."

This article also talks about Obama's "free ride" that I have been talking about for the longest time along with his "mentor" relationship to Joe Lieberman:

"Should Obama hope to continue to enjoy his free ride, he should consult his old mentor Joe Lieberman, the senator from Connecticut who used to be a Democrat. Conservative commentators and right-wing media outlets always loved Lieberman for his willingness to echo their talking points on subjects such as school vouchers and Social Security privatization."

I hope that all Democratic primary voters will very seriously think over and consider what this article implies about Obama's lack of electability! 

Whether the issue about Obama involving his minister Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan is valid or not is NOT really the point in my opinion.  Different people will have different opinions about that!

My point is that this for certain will be brought up as an issue by the other side in the general election IF Barack Obama is the nominee and the other side will use that to negatively define Obama as a Presidential candidate before middle America.  It is necessary in my opinion for Democratic primary voters to be made aware of what is being said about Obama right now and what will definitely come up as an issue for him by the other side in the general election if he is the nominee which is what I am trying to warn people about in this post!

All Democratic primary voters in my opinion should be fully aware of what the other side is saying about Obama BEFORE deciding who they vote for in the primary!

People already know nearly everything that there is to know about both Bill and Hillary Clinton so their past is not likely to drive up their negative numbers in the general election. That is NOT true about Barack Obama which is exactly why "Hillary's high negatives are an illusion compared to Obama or any other Democrat:"

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/13992

Hillary's high negatives are an illusion compared to Obama or any other Democrat

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 28, 2007 - 4:49pm.

Mitch Dworkin

http://www.securingamerica.com/

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10756
StopIranWar.com: "War is not the answer"
Submitted by Wes Clark on February 21, 2007 - 11:40am.

http://www.securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191
Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight back against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda!

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http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/17/one_day_after_hannity_decried_racially_divisive_politics_he_tried_to_smear_obama_as_an_antiwhite_antisemitic_bigot.php

One Day After Hannity Decried Racially Divisive Politics, He Tried To Smear Obama As An Anti-White, Anti-Semitic Bigot

Reported by Ellen - January 17, 2008 - 41 comments

Sean Hannity was back at the race-card playing table last night, just one night after his big spiel against racially divisive politics. Predictably, he blamed the Democrats of doing it and then used his own accusation as “cover” for doing it himself. With video.

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/16/racially_divisive_hannity_claims_to_dislike_divisive_politics.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6DPiXPkevk  (03:02)

Tonight’s excuse for race-baiting was Richard Cohen’s column in The Washington Post in which Cohen tried to make a big deal out of the fact that the daughters of Obama’s minister (one of Hannity’s black boogeymen) selected Louis Farrakhan (Hannity’s biggest black boogeyman) for an award for epitomizing greatness. As icing on Hannity’s boogeyman cake, the award is named for Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama’s pastor. Never mind that Obama has already said he does not agree with Rev. Wright on some issues, particularly the matter of Farrakhan. That point was made in Cohen’s column but conveniently overlooked by Hannity.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/03/02/hannity_invokes_martin_luther_king_while_race_baiting_barack_obamas_minister.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/10/18/fox_news_uses_louis_farrakhan_to_play_the_race_card.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/21/more_racebaiting_on_hannity_colmes.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/03/10/louis_farrakhan_the_most_talkedabout_africanamerican_on_hannity_colmes.php

In his bullyboy voice, Hannity said to his Democratic guest, “Steve McMahaon, that’s Barack Obama’s pastor praising the anti-Semite and the racist, Louis Farrakhan. Is that an issue we should care about in this campaign?” This, less than two weeks after Hannity was complaining about other people attacking MItt Romney and Mike Huckabee over their religion.

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/05/pat_robertson_discusses_his_message_from_god_with_hannity_and_colmes.php

There’s an excellent article by the wonderful writer Michael Chabon, who happens, like me, to be Jewish, called Hey, Louis Farrakhan and Richard Cohen: You Can’t Scare Me. Funny, but I can’t recall the Catholic Hannity ever spending a moment of airtime on Jewish issues (other than promoting sympathy for Israel as a reason to attack Iran) beyond his accusations of anti-Semitism toward Farrakhan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080116/cm_huffpost/081698

McMahon did a decent job of defending Obama: “Listen, Sean. I’m a member of the Catholic Church and I’d hate to be held accountable for everything that appears in Catholic publications." But McMahon remained politely and respectfully defensive. He never did what, in my view, was necessary: Going on the offensive and demanding to know how a white supremacist sympathizer like Hannity has the nerve to tar Obama as a bigot just because his pastor’s daughters admire a black man Hannity doesn’t like.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050620/blumenthal

Next, Hannity moved on to hypocritically attack Democrats for playing the race card in every election. Regular Hannity-watchers know that attacking others for what he is doing, himself, is a typical Hannity tactic, used as cover for his own, similar maneuvers.

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/06/18/fox_news_bigotry_and_bias_in_black_and_white.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/04/19/phony_gun_control_debate_just_another_excuse_to_bash_rosie_odonnell.php

Why did McMahon sit there silently and not remind Hannity about some of the Republican race cards, such as Willie Horton, John McCain’s “love child” and the “Call me” ad against Harold Ford, Jr.?

Please write to Hannity at Hannity@foxnews.com and FOX News at comments@foxnews.com and tell them that real Americans want a debate on the issues, not racial smears from a white supremacist sympathizer pretending that it’s someone else playing the race card. And while you’re at it, don’t forget to ask why there has been no discussion on Hannity & Colmes about Rudy Giuliani’s association with Monsignor Alan Placa, described by Salon.com as a “consultant at Giuliani Partners despite a 2003 Suffolk County, N.Y., grand jury report that accuses Placa of sexually abusing children, as well as helping cover up the sexual abuse of children by other priests.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6DPiXPkevk  (03:02)

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http://www.drudgereport.com/

Preacher: Clinton 'did same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky'...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-te.preacher16jan16,0,1629577.story?track=rss

Obama's spiritual mentor

Powerhouse Chicago preacher draws attention, and plenty of controversy

By Michael Hill | Sun Reporter January 16, 2008

CHICAGO - The packed house at Trinity United - some 3,000 in all - had been in the pews for almost two hours, energized by a 200-voice choir and a rousing dance performance Sunday, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright stepped up to speak.

Wright is well-known in Chicago and in the black church world for taking over a small United Church of Christ congregation in 1972 and turning it into an 8,000-member powerhouse. More recently, his name has become familiar as the longtime spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, who joined the church in 1988 - a move Obama says was important to shaping his identity as an African-American.

The connection has thrown a spotlight on some of Wright's more controversial remarks in a church that advertises itself as "unashamedly Black and unapologetically Christian" - at times espousing a black liberation theology that can sound as exclusionary as Obama's message is inclusionary. He has also equated Zionism with racism.


Rev. Jeremiah Wright Photo

On Sunday morning - amid intensified crossfire between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Obama over the use of race in the Democratic presidential campaign - Wright was preaching from the Gospel of John, using his powerful style to link the story of the loaves and fishes to a contemporary political message.

Man should not put limits on what God can do, but that's what people always do, he told the crowd. Just as God made five loaves and two fishes feed thousands, God has provided liberators for blacks in the past - from Nat Turner to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and now Barack Obama. But, Wright said, there were always reasons not to follow them.

Some argue that blacks should vote for Clinton "because her husband was good to us," he continued.

"That's not true," he thundered. "He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky."

Many in the crowd were on their feet, applauding - amazed, amused and moved by the fiery rhetoric of their preacher, who is about to retire.

It is just such rhetoric that has made Wright's remarks an occasional staple on conservative talk shows. They often make the rounds in anti-Obama e-mail.

On occasion, the Illinois senator has distanced himself from Wright. In the past, the campaign has issued statements saying that Obama does not agree with all of Wright's comments. An invitation to Wright to give the invocation at Obama's announcement of his presidential candidacy last year was rescinded at the last moment, reportedly to keep the spotlight on Obama and not on Wright.

Just yesterday, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen noted that a magazine associated with Trinity United once named Louis Farrakhan as its person of the year, praising the Nation of Islam leader. Cohen called on Obama to denounce such praise of Farrakhan, known for statements deemed anti-Semitic.

In a statement released by his campaign last night, Obama responded to questions about Wright's comments on Sunday.

"As I've told Reverend Wright, personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church," he said. "I don't think of the pastor of my church in political terms.

"Like a member of my own family, there are things he says at times with which I deeply disagree," he said. "But as he prepares to retire, that doesn't detract from my affection for Reverend Wright or appreciation for the good works he has done."

As in the past, Obama did not completely denounce Wright. The candidate's 1995 book Dreams From My Father depicts Obama's decision to join Trinity United as a fundamental step in affirming his identity as an African-American. Obama's mother was white, he was raised in large part by her parents and he spent much of his youth in Indonesia with his mother's second husband. He only met his father, a Kenyan, once...

michael.hill@baltsun.com

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/21/right_and_obama/

Why conservatives love Barack Obama

Clinton haters who think the Illinois senator can beat Hillary support him now, but their affection will fade if he gets the nomination.

By Joe Conason


Photo: Reuters/Carlos Barria

Barack Obama shakes hands with supporters during a campaign rally in Cherokee, Iowa, Dec. 17, 2007.

Dec. 21, 2007 | In the weeks since Karl Rove offered his unsolicited advice on how to defeat Hillary Clinton in the pages of the Financial Times, right-wing expressions of support for Barack Obama have become increasingly conspicuous and voluble. Although often couched in high-flown moral terms that accept the Illinois senator's definition of himself as a fresh and unsullied figure, his Republican endorsers cannot quite conceal their underlying animus.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/03/rove-tells-obama-how-to-beat-clinton/

http://dir.salon.com/topics/barack_obama/ 

They hate Hillary Clinton and they think he just might be able to beat her.

http://dir.salon.com/topics/hillary_rodham_clinton/

Exactly why the American right hates the Clintons so fervidly remains a subject of debate among both political scientists and psychiatrists, but the persistence of those emotions is beyond dispute, especially among commentators and activists with little actual exposure to Hillary Clinton herself. (Evidently her conservative colleagues in the Senate have developed warmer feelings for the first lady they once demonized, but that's another topic.) So powerful is their fury that they will not hesitate to promote the career of a liberal black politician whose background and religious affiliation they regard with suspicion. Of course, they're also quite confident that they can bring him down later, too.

For the moment, at least, he is their shining hero. That is why the Weekly Standard ran a cover story in early December that provided a swooning rehash of Obama's life story and a series of masterful scenes from the campaign trail. ("He sounds like a man who knows what he's talking about and knows what he wants to do. There are no questions that catch him off guard, no issues he hasn't considered.") Written by Stephen Hayes, the admiring biographer of Dick Cheney and perhaps the last journalist on earth who still believes that Saddam Hussein was allied with al-Qaida, the flattering Obama profile raises none of the expected concerns over his eagerness to negotiate with the Iranians and other enemies of democracy. Why spoil the moment?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/463haksg.asp 

http://dir.salon.com/topics/al_qaida/

The wind behind that Hayes puff blew up into a bilious gust last week when William Kristol endorsed Obama in an editorial titled "Time to Move On ... From Hillary," urging Democrats to prevent the return of the Clintons to the center stage of American politics. He worked himself up into a lather of fake indignation over the clumsy attacks on Obama in recent days by Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey and Mark Penn. So did George Will, whose column excoriating Hillary Clinton invoked a very tired comparison with Nixon.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/482stfoe.asp?pg=1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/that_70s_campaign.html 

Evidently Will and Kristol assume that everyone has forgotten their own movement's penchant for filth during the Clinton White House years. Back then there was no limit to the jeering, lying assaults on the Clintons and everyone around them, including their young daughter. It was a poisonous atmosphere to which the likes of Kristol and Will contributed much pollution. For them, Obama's clean image is merely another weapon to be deployed.

Naturally, the impulse to promote Hillary's nemesis has often conflicted with an irrepressible urge to bludgeon him. How could excitable right-wingers restrain themselves from mugging an African-American politician with that surname, let alone his middle name? The answer is that they couldn't restrain themselves at all, as radio hooligan Rush Limbaugh has proved several times over the past year, beginning with his musical mockery of Obama as "the magic Negro," proceeding weeks later to a chanted repetition of "Obama Osama, Osama Obama." At one point, Limbaugh even claimed credit for making Obama "blacker," which the radio host openly said he hoped would help him attract African-American votes away from Clinton.

Obviously none of this is Obama's fault, nor does it reflect poorly on him in any way. So far his campaign has judiciously refrained from exploiting the right's flirtation with him, even though he occasionally echoes conservative themes in his criticism of Clinton. It is true, moreover, that some Republicans and conservatives who will forever despise her find him attractive on his own merits.

But nobody should imagine that the right-wing media whose voices now praise Obama will continue to do so if he wins the Democratic nomination, or that the mainstream media, which still takes so many cues from the right, will do likewise. The conservative movement's affection for any Democrat is always fickle and flimsy. Its assessment of any black Democrat, let alone a presidential nominee, is more likely to reflect the bigoted crudeness of Limbaugh than the manufactured erudition of Will. (And we can expect to see many more cartoons like this one.)

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704170003

Should Obama hope to continue to enjoy his free ride, he should consult his old mentor Joe Lieberman, the senator from Connecticut who used to be a Democrat. Conservative commentators and right-wing media outlets always loved Lieberman for his willingness to echo their talking points on subjects such as school vouchers and Social Security privatization. When he agreed to join the Democratic ticket as Al Gore's running mate in 2000, the Weekly Standard and the National Review, among others, suddenly discovered how despicable Lieberman actually was. Having abandoned the Democrats altogether, he is now fully rehabilitated.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2006/08/18/lieberman/ 

But Obama and his supporters must cherish no illusions about what will happen to him if he vanquishes Clinton. He will need the same kind of armor that she has worn proudly for years. What the right likes best about him is that he doesn't seem to own any.

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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 11:03am.

I was watching Fox, to see what their news was like, after hearing their coverage more balanced. They had this NEWS ALERT, from the Chicago Tribune...so I looked it up.
Rezkko has been arrested!!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-arrested_webjan29,1,6986321.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Antoin "Tony" Rezko was arrested early Monday at his Wilmette home by federal agents, the Tribune has learned.

Rezko, who is scheduled to stand trial on corruption charges in less than a month at the Dirksen U.S. Courthouse, was taken into custody due to an alleged bond violation, a source confirmed. Investigators had in recent weeks become concerned about the movement of some of his finances, a source said.

Further details were not immediately available.


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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 11:07am.

This is horrible!!! I don't support Obama, but this is what they are going to do to him...not good folks.

http://www.humanevents.com/offers/offer.php?id=bho101

Just the beginning of the dirt.


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 12:17pm.

What is sad in my opinion is that this is getting hardly any mainstream media coverage so many Democratic primary voters are voting for Obama not knowing what he will be in for if he is the nominee!

What is even more sad is that Obama does not even recognize this as being a serious threat to him if he is the nominee:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21562193/

Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate for October 30
Read the transcript from the special coverage

updated 11:16 a.m. CT, Wed., Oct. 31, 2007

DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES PARTICIPATE IN A DEBATE

SPONSORED BY MSNBC

OCTOBER 30, 2007

BRIAN WILLIAMS, MSNBC ANCHOR: "Senator Obama, we’re going to transfer into a new area here. A question specifically for you because you’re in a rather unique position. It’s about religion and misinformation. Governor Romney misspoke twice on the same day, confusing your name with that of Osama bin Laden.

Your party is fond of talking about a potential swiftboating. Are you fearful of what happened to John McCain, for example, in South Carolina a few years back; confusion on the basis of things like names and religion?

OBAMA: No, because I have confidence in the American people.

OBAMA: And I don’t pay much attention to what Mitt Romney has to say—at least what he says this week. It may be different next week..."

This statement very clearly shows that Obama is not electable because does not have any understanding or concept about the kind of swiftboat attacks that he will face from the other side where they will negatively define him as a candidate to the entire country if he is the nominee just like how they did to John Kerry in 2004.

This statement from Obama has not received any media coverage that I have seen so far!

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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 11:17am.

Will be really good to HONESTLY track what the RW is going to do to any of the Democratic candidates. With Hillary we have heard it all, but Obama, is new blood to them,thats why they want him to win.
So we need to get all this information out there BEFORE they can dump their spin.
They have us all fighting amongst ourselves, that is the first step. (however, they are doing the same on the R side)

We must be smarter, pull out all the negatives about our candidates, before they do!! This Rezko thing is not going away, and is going to lead in the news VERY SOON. They ARE attacking Bill Clinton, now, spinning his words etc, so people swing to Obama. Thats part of the strategy. When and if Obama gets the nomination, they will bring out all the dirt on him. Its so obvious to me!!!


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 11:29am.

http://fora.tv/2008/01/18/Shelby_Steele_on_Why_Barack_Obama_Cannot_Win

Shelby Steele on Why Barack Obama Cannot Win

Cody's Books
Berkeley, CA
Jan 18th, 2008

A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win

Shelby Steele examines the challenges that Barack Obama must overcome in his bid to become President of the United States in A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win. Having to cater to both black voters and white voters in what binds Obama, and his dilemma is that he achieved visibility more as a racial icon than as an individual. In his analysis, Shelby Steele discusses his own mixed race background, and he empathizes with Obama's inner conflicts even as he critiques him. He also identifies the two 'masks' that blacks wear in order to seek success and power in the American mainstream: bargaining and challenging, and he argues that Obama is too constrained by divisive racial politics to find his own true political voice - and proposes a way for him to break those bonds and find his own voice.

Shelby Steele is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and the author of The Content of Our Character and White Guilt, and a contributing editor at Harper's; his work has also appeared in numerous other magazines and newspapers - Cody's Books

http://www.hoover.org/multimedia/events/14211792.html

Shelby Steele on Why Barack Obama Can't Win

January 24, 2008

Shelby Steele examines the challenges that Barack Obama must overcome in his bid to become President of the United States in A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win. (1:10:03)

Shelby Steele "is a self-described Black conservative.[3] He opposes movements such as affirmative action, which he considers to be unsuccessful liberal campaigns to promote equal opportunity for African-Americans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Steele

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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 12:03pm.

I watched it and have it recorded. Posted it on the blog as I thought he was on target.
Its recorded on Bill Moyers site...(hope its still there)


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 11:57am.

Since when has an openly Neocon GOP website ever pushed Ted Kennedy or a serious Democratic Presidential candidate like this?  Could it be that they want Obama to be the Democratic nominee because they think that he will be easier to beat in the general election?  This is a serious question that every person needs to think about!

http://www.newsmax.com/


"Any of the Democratic candidates would love to have Ted Kennedy's support," says Barack Obama. "And we have certainly actively sought it."

Ted Kennedy to Endorse Obama

Liberal icon Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts will endorse Senate colleague Barack Obama for president on Monday. 
FULL STORY

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Kennedy_to_Endorse_Obama/2008/01/27/67818.html

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http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Caroline_Kennedy_obama/2008/01/27/67782.html

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 12:11pm.

Democratic primary voters need to ask who would Rush Limbaugh rather run against.  Would it be Obama who he views as being "All Buzz, No Substance" or would it be Bill and Hillary Clinton who he knows will fight back and not take any of his crap?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_103007/content/01125107.guest.html

Obama: All Buzz, No Substance; Hillary Stuck at 46-49% in Polls

October 30, 2007

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: I got a note last night from a friend.  The friend had just read an LA Times story.  The LA Times story was about Barack Obama...    

It really boils down to something very simple: all hype and no substance.  If you look, Barack Obama's actually said a bunch of stupid things, like he would invade Pakistan, whether they asked us to or not, to go get Bin Laden.  He'd meet with the world's tyrants in the Oval Office to find out why they hate us.  Barack Obama is a classic illustration of something.  The media have made Obama who he is.  Remember all those incessant, never-ending puff pieces, TIME Magazine, Washington Post, New York Times, six, seven months ago?  That was done to create an obstacle for Mrs. Clinton.  She's the inevitable candidate.  So they had to put somebody out there and then build 'em way up to make it look like Mrs. Clinton could win a fight, that she could overcome some obstacle rather than just sail through as the inevitable candidate.  We were all sitting here, said, "What the hell is this about?"  He's been in the Senate less than two years.  He's written two memoirs.  He's not old enough to have written one.  What's the reason for this?  This is pure media "puff piecery".  It was pure hype, no substance whatsoever.  All buzz.  

There's a lesson here, folks.  Barack Obama needs to be very careful, because when the media make you, they can destroy you.  When you are the result of media buzz, and not substance, and not achievement, and not accomplishment, and yet the media is building you up to be something larger than you've achieved on your own, they can destroy you, too -- and he'd better be careful.  It's the same thing with Jon Stewart and this Colbert guy.  These guys have audiences of maybe a million people each and yet they have all this buzz, they're huge.  If the media ever turns on either of these guys, they're finished.  Why do you think Imus was able to be taken out?  Imus was able to be taken out because for the last ten years he really didn't have any ratings to speak of.  He was the product of media buzz because all of his media buddies were guests.  There was a lot of bzz bzz bzz talk.  When the media turned on Imus and his liberal buddies went for the tall grass, what was there to save him?  It's like live by the sword, die by the sword.  Live by the buzz, die by the buzz.  

This is the risk that Obama is running into.  It's why the media has not been able to destroy Clarence Thomas.  It is why they have not been able to destroy a lot of people, like me, that they haven't made.  All that having been said, though, not one vote has been cast here, and I remember this time in 2003 the Hillary Clinton of that period was Howard Dean.  Remember that?  John Kerry, the haughty John Kerry, was borrowing money from his wife to stay in the campaign.  Now, the difference is, Dean didn't have a war room that destroys enemies and anyone who gets in their way like the Clintons do.  There are some similarities.  But the point is that not one vote's been cast yet.  Hillary's negatives are pretty high. 

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Read the Background Material...

Los Angeles Times: Polls Don't Reflect Obama's Star Power

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama29oct29,0,6297250.story?coll=la-home-center

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Submitted by LSophia on January 28, 2008 - 6:05pm.

The world is officially coming to an end.


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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 3:20pm.

Indicted Obama fundraiser's bond revoked By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer
18 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080128/ap_on_re_us/fundraiser_indicted_5;_ylt=ApcWFLokwfcnnEIPcy0TiAipg9IF

CHICAGO - A judge revoked the $2 million bond Monday for indicted businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who has raised thousands of dollars for Barack Obama and Illinois politicians.

More ......

U.S. District Judge Amy J. St. Eve said she grew concerned after learning Rezko received $3.5 million from a company in Lebanon; he had claimed that he had no income. St. Eve said she feared Rezko could be a flight risk.

The real estate developer and fast food magnate was arrested Monday morning at his home in suburban Wilmette. At an afternoon hearing, the judge remanded him to the custody of U.S. marshals and scheduled another hearing for Tuesday.


Submitted by Nelsons on January 28, 2008 - 3:23pm.

:X :X :X

Proud to be an American.

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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 3:52pm.

This is going to be huge, IF the media DOES report!!


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Submitted by BeckySue4Clark on January 28, 2008 - 6:52pm.

What gets me is the Endorsement by Ted Kennedy may actually hurt Obama. Especially in the Red States. Especially in the Bible Belt. I remember last time when Kerry was running they couldn't help but show an advertisement with Ted Kennedy and Kerry painting them both as Ultra Liberals. Ummmmm I said a bad word darn it. The word Liberal is a bad word in the Bible Belt. And they don't like Ted Kennedy. I don't even think Ted endorsed Kerry last time. But seeing the two of them in the ad together and being a North Eastern Ultra Liberal hurt him.


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Submitted by Arky Sue on January 28, 2008 - 3:56pm.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IlvJ8bA6_xA
"Barack Obama takes a shot at Ted Kennedy."

I'll bet ol' Teddy hasn't seen this!

He that plants trees loves others besides himself. ~English Proverb


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 4:02pm.

Is there any question that the Neocon GOP NewsMax is rooting for Obama right now?  Does anyone really think that NewsMax views Obama as being another JFK?

http://www.newsmax.com/


“I remember back in the 60s,” Ted Kennedy said at the endorsement rally, harkening back to his brother JFK, “when we had a new president who inspired youngsters.”

Kennedy Family Embraces Obama as Worthy Heir

Two generations of Kennedys endorsed Barack Obama for president on Monday, with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy calling him a "man with extraordinary gifts of leadership and character," a worthy heir to his assassinated brother.

FULL STORY

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/Kennedy_Family_Obama/2008/01/28/68021.html

Submitted by Nelsons on January 28, 2008 - 4:14pm.

Geez, is Teddy showing his age. That word went out of the general lexicon about 20 years ago didn't it?

Proud to be an American.

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Submitted by Dormaphaea on January 28, 2008 - 4:17pm.

All this talk - turning back the clock to the 90's - according to Obama - that's old school, that's an era to be denied.

But instead - lets go back to friggin' 1963???

You've gotta be kidding me.

I'd better get barefoot and pregnant immediately.


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Submitted by Arky Sue on January 28, 2008 - 5:56pm.

What about those "excesses of the 60's" that BO spoke about??

He that plants trees loves others besides himself. ~English Proverb


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Submitted by Dormaphaea on January 28, 2008 - 6:05pm.

Folks just got more discreet.

In most cases.

Heh.


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Submitted by jen on January 28, 2008 - 4:06pm.

The people who should be aware of this don't care. The majority of the netroots are overwhelmingly convinced that Hillary is too polarizing, surrounds herself with people who will take us backwards, while Obama is the positive, full of hope, new guy who will take us forward. We're up against not only the media, but many in our own Party and I'm about to the point of throwing in the towel.

This may sound horribly cynical, but I'm almost to the point of hoping Obama wins the nomination. Because if Hillary wins, and we don't win the GE, we will have all those who are convinced Obama can win the GE that will spend the next 4 years pissed off and cheering in agreement with the media that it's all the Clinton's fault that we have another Republic WH -- that if Obama had been the nominee, we would have won.

And if Hillary is the nominee, and she does win the GE, all the Democrats and Indys who are right now cheering on the media for every smear (real or not) of the Clintons, will be all too happy to keep hearing the lies and smears be broadcast for the duration of her Presidency.

I'm afraid we're in the middle of a no win situation and the only way our Party will come back together again is if Obama wins the nomination and goes on to lose the GE.


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 4:30pm.

from. I also think it is sad, especially with how high that the cost will be if we lose the election:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14527

The high cost of another Neocon winning this election is war and much more war!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 28, 2008 - 2:26pm.

The media is saying that Obama is fighting both Bill and Hillary Clinton but the truth is that Bill and Hillary Clinton are fighting Obama's charisma which is being amplified by the media who are rooting for him. The media is also giving Obama a free ride on his past and on the issues while being extra tough on the Clintons!

All of this is going on while Obama is just giving high powered speeches without giving any specifics and when Hillary is way ahead in the polls when it comes to experience!

You would think that after 7 years of a highly incompetant Bush that competance would be something big that people are looking for right now!

I am very frustrated over this but I will continue to speak out and tell it like it really is. If Obama happens to get the nomination and loses, then I will be saying "I told you so." If Obama wins or if Hillary loses, then I have no problem with other people telling me "I told you so."

But when all of the "Obamamania" media hype is over and when you see Obama standing next to Mitt Romney or John McCain (probably running with Joe Lieberman) in the general election if he is the nominee, what do you think that most people in middle America are going to think when Obama has no substance in his answers just like how there is no substance right now?

How do you think that Obama will hold up when Rush Limbaugh, Drudge, NewsMax, and company decide that his free ride is finally over and get as tough with him as they are with Hillary right now and as tough as they were with Kerry in 2004?

These are the kind of serious questions that people need to be asking and thinking about right now in my opinion!

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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 4:41pm.

Its almost over whelming...I still think the Clintons are smarter then the Obamiacs. They have a great team in place and I don't think they are going away, that easy!
I feel very depressed with all the media, they are bought and paid. How the Clintons advisors are going to overcome that I don't know. Other then the personal appearences directly to people. I still think the South and West will go for Hillary. The momentum of Obama is scary, but we just can't lie down.
When talking to my son in Fl the other night...he didn't even know that Obama won SC. See 80 % of the people don't watch the MSM, they watch their daily shows, and the evening news. Thats it. There are only 20% (if that)of the public that watches the news 24/7. The average Joe, watches Ballgames, soap opreas , American idol..etc..it the way it truly is.
Most the people I talk to are voting for Hillary..and always have supported her.


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Submitted by mad4clark on January 28, 2008 - 4:59pm.

....will be voting for Hillary tomorrow in FL too

"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion


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Submitted by DeeP on January 28, 2008 - 5:54pm.

will take Florida...and I think the West..Those Southern states could be good too, as the AA are not as prevalent. I know many of the South will vote for Hillary.

edit: I forgot to mention, Fl had early voting for 2 weeks..so lots of votes already cast...


Submitted by Jack Ryan on January 29, 2008 - 1:24am.

We can cleanse the party of those who are not loyal to true democratic values and start with a fresh clean slate, all of the sexists and backwards leaning dems have exposed themselves by supporting Obama.

Once this election is over it is time to go in and clean house, knock off any rep or Senator who endorsed Obama, and take care of the Obama blogs like Kos, and then clean up the media, msnbc cnn, all of them, bring in the FCC and regulate the arrogant smirk off of tweety's face.

Then and only then will we be a strong solid party capable of standing toe to toe with the GOP.

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