Florida Returns Thread
Submitted by mad4clark on January 29, 2008 - 7:32pm.
Democratic politics
Go Hillary Go!!
;)
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
if Edwards beat Obama! ROFLOL!!! Or even a close 3rd would still be really fun! Go Johnny, Go!!!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Clinton
88,583
54%
0
6%
reporting
Obama
44,133
27%
0
Edwards
25,524
16%
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
This is funny...Clinton way ahead...
my signal keeps going out...:(
came in from snow removal....again.
But so far no discussion about the Dems. None. Only the repubs. Looks close between Romney and McCain. Rudy is probly history....did ya hear that, ms? :D
Was reading elsewhere today, Tweety said earlier if anyone talked about the Dems...it would show their bias towards Hillary cuz of the delegate bit.
*scream!*
If there's coverage of the Dem Florida primary..."That's how you can tell that they're Hillary supporters."
He that plants trees loves others besides himself. ~English Proverb
...and you just KNOW he would be taking a different tact if it was an Obama friendly state.
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
Can't stand MSNBC...
As far as the delegates being seated, you bet they will. The Dems and Repugs, won't let it not happen.
The pugs decided only half theirs would be seated..and Dems 0
Lou Dobbs has a poll on this
GO VOTE
I'm watching the BBC coverage. They're splitting the coverage between Florida and French Polynesia. The Polynesian scenery is great, but no returns from the yet. :)
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
Thanks for posting that Lou Dobbs link. I voted and I hope all Clarkies do too. Greatly appreciated!
MSNBC is lying again. Tweety opined that Florida was a beauty contest, and that none of the candidates campaigned there. NO MENTION OF THE BO ADS THAT ARE RUNNING!
He that plants trees loves others besides himself. ~English Proverb
Dobbs called it a Beauty contest....wait they think we are all dumb...right? The delegates WILL be seated. The Dems AND the Pugs will NOT cut out two BIG States..Hillary knows it as do many in the DNC...
UPDATE: CNN is salivating about the "Obama train" right now with live shots of Obama in Kansas... (why?) and they have coanchors weighing in on how important the Kennedy endorsement is. Woman projects that if Obama doesn't get the nom- blacks and youth will not be voting.
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We have what I can now call a media trend.
If it goes forward, we can expect this:
Every Hillary endorsement, every win, every upward tick in her numbers will be greeted with either silence, or will be diminished.... hereafter referred to as the 'Beauty Contest' paradigm. If she wins big- she will be accused of stealing the election somehow. If she wins by small margins - the coverage will zoom into the narrowness of that margin and she will be 'hanging on' to a precarious lead, unable to rest on her laurels.
BO, on the other hand, will be all about Joementum, ooops- I mean momentum. He will be crowned with great glory for each and every victory- regardless how small. The win will be the focus- we'll see these victory speeches with throngs of energized Change sign wavers and chanters. And PAY ATTENTION to the crowd miking. This is how they killed Dean by pulling back the ambient crowd sound and hiking up his microphone. With BO it's the opposite. Each rally will have crowd mikes at max (11 for you Spinal Tap fans!) Reporters will have to scream above the din. It's what the CIA does when they stage rebellions too. To make a crowd appear overwhelming. Clinton crowds will be softly miked.... if at all! Her voice will boom out over their muted background noise.
Each BO endorsement will be seen as a miraculous achievement (which is probably more racist than anything Bill Clinton has ever said) but nevermind-- it will be celebrated as historic, groundbreaking and don't we all feel so much better about ourselves now? Additionally- it will be portrayed by our friends with the heads-that-talk as yet another nail in the Hillary campaign... like Drudge who had her packing it in just before New Hampshire -- that's what they will play on.
The scripts are written. The talkers will be waxing enthusiastically over the young Barack's successes. SOMW will be "who?".
I feel fairly confident saying this now after watching these past weeks. I think we all need to take notes ... and write letters. Not sure what else we can do at this point. The behemoth hath chosen and it aint our lady... We're going to be up against a lot of power here. One good thing is -- anyone who's paid attention these past years has figured out that the media aren't to be trusted and that they 'manufacture' much more than they 'report'. :(
Do you believe it is appropriate that both the Republican and Democratic parties have disenfranchised primary voters in both Michigan and Florida?
No's are winning
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
madspawn (1 plain 1 peanut) is fighting the good fight here ..
http://www.mothertalkers.com/story/2008/1/29/163454/098
She posted Mike and Jen's research on BS Bill/Jackson
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
Clinton
157,248
52%
Obama
87,143
29%
0
Edwards
47,581
16%
0
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
Use your ears when they cut to the rallies (Clinton and Obama, as we know they wouldn't dare cut to an Edwards rally)
Listen for how the crowds are miked and mixed.
A-A woman on CNN say that if Obama doesn't get the Nom, A-As, young people and Hispanics will stay home. hmmmm feel the Unity!
But.........Hispanics????
When did Obama suddenly get the Hispanic vote???
LOL
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
Then the Republicans...way more she is beating all of them. Look at the points...
Huge crowd.
"Solutions for America" signs.
Crowd noise muted. ;) Can't we mute Candy?
Current count:
Clinton --- 48
Obama------ 38
SOMW--------14
Edwards is going to have to pray someone gives him a state on Feb 5.
A few minutes ago everyone was claiming the Kennedy endorsement would buffer up his latino votes hugely.... Hate to see what it would have been had Kennedy endorsed after Florida.
to 49% and the pan handle isn't in yet...I don't think. thats my son's area...mostly Pugs there.
That McCain is leading Romney...Pugs want the money guy!
about 60,000 more people went in and voted for Hillary over Barack- bigger than a whole stadium full... DESPITE the negative press, the biased media coverage, the endless bashing and framing of her and Bill as everything from liars to racists... despite all that.
Pretty impressive beauty contest.
When is the talent competition?
That's always my favorite part.
She's got (drum roll)
140,000 more votes Over 3 stadiums full!!
Each vote being a voter!
140K more people hit Clinton today so far. Wow.
"Each vote being a voter!" Are you sure? This is Florida after all. :)
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
in every debate policy-wise, except of course when they spun the driver's license thing, which was too good of an opportunity to try to sully Eliot Spitzer as well as Hillary to resist.
This is just PR 101: Diminish the importance of everything your "opponent" does.
Why are "news" & "events" constantly in need of the wise interpretive kabuki dance of the we'll think for you don't worry about it honey pundits? Too many not-NCLB brains still left intact out here or what?
This is a continuation of the sleaze of the 90s, all right- the media sleaze. Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep those dogies trolling, rawhide....
Over half of the people they sampled in Florida said the Kennedy endorsement was important in how they decided to vote. What a way to pick a president...whatever Ted says.
Claims these Florida votes more or less don't matter, as some were cast in the third week of December, before the Kennedy endorsement & before the SC win.
Calif. votes largely early too. They are getting ready to use that excuse to cover for a California loss.
But then I'm sure California will also be about as important as a beauty contest too. Miss Coppertone maybe.
I can't help recalling all those Miss America pageants where the runner up has that angry frozen smile on their face when the winner is announced. That 'Oh. I'm so happy for you.' look.
stinging from her interview earlier with Maxine Waters.
Watch out Holly! Her claws will really be out tonite!
diminish & minimize your opponent's achievement, dismiss. PR 101.
The weird thing is, they are allowed to masquerade as "reporters."
High school kids would be better, more honest. Is it a historic first that Hillary would win the Fla. Dem primary & really crush the others? How have voting protocols changed since 2000? etc.
There's a thousand different interesting takes on this, there is news here, we'll just never hear it.
Stay in your cage & shut up, we'll tell you what to think.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005169.php
They're still at it. :/
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
doesn't work? Frustrating...so I am recommending...yahoo
Notes from the Underground
We're getting late word on the subterranean Dem campaign going on in the last few days in Florida. A mailer went out from the Hillary-backing AFSCME. And a Clinton surrogate, Rep. Corrine Brown, did a robocall run for a state initiative that happens to mention that she's going to be supporting Hillary. Meanwhile, Obama's allies are in the mix too. Unite, an Obama-backing union, has also sent out a pro-Obama mailer.
--Josh Marshall
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/065164.php
heh
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
If Florida's delegates are eventually recognized, how many of them are being portioned out this evening?
Update - found out my own answer - 210 possible delegates for Florida.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
They keep reporting Hillary won, but no delegates..They NEVER say, the Pugs only get half...so I guess if you get some its ok, golly gee...I Hate the media...they are so evil and prejudiced...its all about keeping thier CEO's happy...
Not so much for the Democrats; except maybe Edwards.
But since Guiliani spent his wad in Florida, this is make or break for him.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
In delegates..woo hoo....now seat Hillary'ss delegates...
That's only for the Repugs. The Dems allocate delegate proportionately in every state.
If Florida hadn't cheated, Florida would have gotten 210 delegates, 121 from the CDs, 64 at-large pledged delegates, and 25 unpledged PLEOs.
I predict that the DNC will relent at least partially and give Florida some voice, but maybe not all 210.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
Via Kos
UPDATE(MB): Florida Exit Polls for Democrats
Vote by Gender
Male (41%)
Clinton 42%; Obama 35%; Edwards 20%
Female (59%)
Clinton 55%; Obama 29%; Edwards 13%Vote by Age
18-29 (9%)
Clinton 45%; Obama 41%; Edwards 9%
30-44 (18%)
Clinton 43% Obama 39%; Edwards 16%
45-59 (34%)
Clinton 45%; Obama 33%; Edwards 19%
60 and Older (40%)
Clinton 58%; Obama 25%; Edwards 14%
Note: Hillary wins every category
"The Right always knows who its enemies are" Lance Mannion
Tweety must have said "John McCain is a maverick" fifteen times.
I am rolling my eyes. He just said this was an outlaw primary that doesn't matter at all. Especially for Hillary, who is celebrating the event of not winning any delegates tonight.
Shows Hillary will speak to supporters shortly.
She's at a rally with Sen. Bill Nelson and Congressman Alcee Hastings.
Tweety can say, "it doesn't count." Brokaw needs to tell Tweety he can spin it any way he wants, but in the end how people vote in Florida, MATTERS.
Wasn't watching them, tho. Couldn't take it. Wasn't hard to see what that cast of characters was up to again. Have CNN on....muted. They're not much better.
"But it looks like something that matters." He says this looking at the victory rally for Hillary in Florida. Keith "snarking" at Clinton for all those signs in the crowd when candidates said they weren't campaigning in Florida. Tweety and Keith spinning and spinning and spinning. It would kill them to give something sweet like a win in Florida to Hillary.
at the orange place.
Since he's been blogging there you can see the shift.
What do they put in the water over there? :)
They will show it ALL.....good coverage.
She has 51 % of the vote maddy...
Tom Brokaw must lament the loss of journalistic integrity. In fact you can see it in eyes when Matthews opens his mouth.
Gravel's got 3%!!
He that plants trees loves others besides himself. ~English Proverb
Okay, guys, repeat after me: W-I-N. Hillary will WIN Florida. As in beating the others. As in they will lose.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
C-54
O-27
E-16