Calling all Progressives - Support Hillary if you want universal healthcare!


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Nick Kelly's picture

Paul Krugman has written an excellent fact-based analysis of the rival Clinton-Obama health plans. He concludes that Obama will not be able to achieve universal health care if he is elected. Hillary, on the other hand, might just be able to pull it off if she is elected.

If Mr. Obama gets to the White House and tries to achieve universal coverage, he’ll find that it can’t be done without mandates — but if he tries to institute mandates, the enemies of reform will use his own words against him.

If you combine the economic analysis with these political realities, here’s what I think it says: If Mrs. Clinton gets the Democratic nomination, there is some chance — nobody knows how big — that we’ll get universal health care in the next administration. If Mr. Obama gets the nomination, it just won’t happen.

Krugman is right. Hillary's plan is better, much better. In fact, it's not
only much better, it also has the potential of paving the way to an American
version of "single-payer plus". "Single payer plus" is what I call plans that
offer a means-based subsidized single payer plan to everyone, along with the
option for anyone (usually the very rich) to purchase other plans if they wish.
That's the current direction and/or fact of health insurance plans in many other
countries.

Obama's plan does not have the same potential. That's because it explicitly
provides means-based subsidies to anyone purchasing ANY health insurance. On
the surface, that may sound good to some. However, it primarily serves to
perpetuate the current crazy health insurance system. In addition, by spreading
new enrollees amongst over 1500 insurance companies, it will greatly reduce the
economies possible in a large (at least 47 million to begin with in Hillary's
plan) single-payer risk-pool. Perhaps that's part of the reason it will cost more, as Krugman points out

Yesterday I sent a letter to the editor of the Boulder Daily Camera concerning this
difference. It was too late for publication today, but the editorial page editor has
assured me that he is trying to get it into the queue to be posted online at
http://www.dailycamera.com/blogs/letters-editor-blog/ later today. Hopefully,
it will be posted there before the caucuses tonight. I think it demonstrates
that Obama supporters need to better scrutinize what he is proposing before they
conclude that he is ready for the Presidency.

Obama's supporters repeatedly point to his one early speech against the war in
Iraq as evidence of his good judgment. Fair enough, so long as they realize
that he did not continue to oppose the war so vigorously after he was elected to
the Senate. And to be really fair, they should also concede that he has made a
very bad judgment with his non-universal health-care proposal which plays
directly into the hands of the existing health insurance companies. In that regard, it's something of a cousin of the dreadful Bush Medicare prescription drug benefit which plays into the hands of the drug companies.

For more on how I think Obama got himself into this "fine mess" (as Oliver Hardy used to say), see

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14482

UPDATE: And now it seems that Obama has resorted to the use of incorrect analogies to attack Hillary's universal health care plan: http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5749
This only confirms my suspicions regarding who is advising him on health care. It's a very common conservative tactic, and the Chicago groups I think to be advising him have long been amongst the most conservative in the industry. Their individual members, and some of their leaders may or may not be particularly conservative, but the majority of their leadership typically has been. I hope that has changed, but I won't believe it unless and until I see it.

UPDATE 2: MY LETTER TO THE BOULDER DAILY CAMERA was finally published on Thursday, Feb. 7.

Nick Kelly's picture
Submitted by Nick Kelly on February 5, 2008 - 3:04pm.

Obama and his wife likely also get some of their advice from a very "profitable" non-profit Chicago hospital that (to say the least) isn't one of the most progressive hospitals I know of. Mike Pridmore supplies this link in his "More Obama Fairy Tales" diary:

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VeC8BE-2T_k&rel=1&eurl=http%3A//securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14616&iurl=http%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/VeC8BE-2T_k/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJNg74Sa2e3kNdDbPR9BMl1&

As I think Alice in Wonderland said, "It just gets curiouser and curiouser."

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.


LJM's picture
Submitted by LJM on February 5, 2008 - 4:37pm.

Imagine that.


Nick Kelly's picture
Submitted by Nick Kelly on February 5, 2008 - 7:27pm.

Click on the first link near the top of his diary.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14616

I don't know what happened to my copy of that link. It worked when I first posted it. A mystery....

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.


mad4clark's picture
Submitted by mad4clark on February 5, 2008 - 3:41pm.

...is getting pissed.

February 5, 2008, 12:35 pm
More Obama ugliness on health care

I really, really wish he would stop this:

Obama likened Clinton’s health care mandate proposal to eliminating homelessness by requiring everyone buy a house.

The Clinton plan does every bit as much to ensure affordability as the Obama plan. This is just grotesque.

Add: There are no excuses this time. You can’t say that it’s the work of some staffer. This is unscrupulous demagoguery from the candidate himself.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/more-obama-ugliness-on-health-care/

"The Right always knows who its enemy is" Lance Mannion


LJM's picture
Submitted by LJM on February 5, 2008 - 4:36pm.

We're in a recession today. He's got a post about the bad economic numbers today.


Nick Kelly's picture
Submitted by Nick Kelly on February 5, 2008 - 7:37pm.

I still remember Krugman in 2003 suggesting that the Dean people ought to consider Wes Clark instead. And that was long before the "scream".

Obama is way out of line with this stupid and un-called for comparison.

I think he's also over the line when he says that he 'doesn't want to just cap health care premiums, he wants to reduce them by $2,500'. First of all, Hillary hasn't suggested any such "cap", and second - Obama has no workable plan whatsoever to achieve even a $1 reduction in health care premiums, never mind $2,500. But his supporters still don't see the smoke and mirrors.

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.


mad4clark's picture
Submitted by mad4clark on February 5, 2008 - 7:47pm.

....has any real interest in enacting Universal Health Care.

He is only interested in one thing......winning.

At any cost.

If he is the nominee, I will not be able to support him. Oh, I'll vote for him. But my short political involvement will be over.

An Obama nomination will verify my worst fears.....that yes, America is that shallow.......glitz over substance every time.

And I could no longer be a part of it.

"The Right always knows who its enemy is" Lance Mannion


Submitted by donjo on February 5, 2008 - 7:47pm.

It's too bad that so many people get their jollies from beating up women one way or another. It's time to Change. Hope for the best.
Change and Hope, what novel concepts. I wonder who thought those up.

Dormaphaea's picture
Submitted by Dormaphaea on February 5, 2008 - 7:51pm.

He stated to the NYT back in April 07 that Obama "is the embodiment of his vision."

Whatever the hell that means.


mad4clark's picture
Submitted by mad4clark on February 5, 2008 - 7:54pm.

...is bipartisanship.

Nothing more, nothing less.

The Republicans will be soooooooo pleased.

blech!

"The Right always knows who its enemy is" Lance Mannion


Nick Kelly's picture
Submitted by Nick Kelly on February 6, 2008 - 2:54am.

Give me good solid substance over meaningless bipartisanship any day.

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark still could be the national security candidate.


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