ANALYSIS: The bottom line about the plagiarism charge concerning Barack Obama!

Hello Everyone:

Here is the video link to see where Barack Obama used in 2008 virtually the exact same words that his supporter Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick used during his 2006 campaign:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49024.html

Obama Denies Plagiarism: Campaign Says Speech Similarities are Intentional

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08aFc

Just Words. Just not Obama's. (01:20)

"From the related link: Senator Barack Obama adapted one of his signature arguments — that his oratory amounts to more than inspiring words — from speeches given by Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts during his 2006 campaign."

Of course, different people will have different opinions about this issue probably based on which candidate who they are supporting. On a CNN Lou Dobbs panel consisting of three people on Tuesday, February 19, each person had a different opinion about this issue:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/19/ldt.01.html

LOU DOBBS TONIGHT

Senators Obama and Clinton Battle for Wisconsin and Texas; Economy: Critical Issue All Voters; Texans Rally against the TTC

Aired February 19, 2008 - 19:00 ET

1) Here is Carol Swain's reasoning about why she considers this to be a real issue regarding Obama:

PROF. CAROL SWAIN, VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY: "There was certainly merit in the way -- I was almost going to call it sister Clinton, but the way Senator Clinton, the points she made about the merit in it because so many see Senator Obama as being inspirational and it's his words that have drawn people to the campaign. Because it's his words that make so many people want to follow him, you would want them to be his words."

2) Here is Joe Madison explaining why he does not think that this is a real issue:

JOE MADISON, WOL: "I think it's ridiculous quite honestly. The governor of Massachusetts said look, I have told him he could use those phrases. As a matter of fact, I helped write his speeches. I can't tell you how many times I have been in the presence of even Lou Dobbs and said I am going to use that.

I said make sure you give me credit. I don't know if you do or not and it doesn't make a difference. I've been where I've heard Jesse Jackson speak and Dick Gregory has borrowed my jokes from my speeches and he didn't say I got this from Joe Madison. It's just -- this story got about more day of life to it and that's it."

3) Here is where Miguel Perez argued that it would have been better if Obama had referenced Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts when he made his comments but does not think that the issue itself is a big deal:

MIGUEL PEREZ, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: "I think it would have been better if he said my friend from the governor of Massachusetts uses this all the time and agree with him when they accused him of using simple words. And then he would have attributed it to someone. I don't think it's as big of a deal as Hillary Clinton's camp wants to make it and I certainly think that it shows that there is a certain amount of frustration."

Lou Dobbs quoted Hillary Clinton about this issue. I agree with her because I definitely believe that Obama's entire candidacy is based on his words, his personal charisma which is affecting people's emotions as opposed to discussing actual substance regarding the issues, and because so much of the media is giving Obama a free ride right now:

LOU DOBBS, CNN ANCHOR: "Senator Clinton spoke out about Senator Obama's use of someone else's words in a campaign speech without attributing those words. Senator Clinton said, "If your whole candidacy is about words, then they should be your own words. That's what I think."

I completely agree with this explanation from David Frum which is also a very good preview about how the other side will run against Obama in the general election IF he is the nominee:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/18/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Nancy Reagan Hospitalized; The War of the Word in the Race for President

Aired February 18, 2008 - 21:00 ET

LARRY KING, HOST: "You're a speechwriter.

What do you think?

DAVID FRUM, FORMER SPEECHWRITER, PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I don't know whether it will make the general -- an impact with the general public. But it sure makes an impact on me and I hope it will make an impact on many of the people who are listening tonight.

It's a very odd and ironic kind of story. Here's the rap on this guy. I mean this is a little bit like discovering that Dwight Eisenhower didn't actually run D-Day.

What is -- why should -- why should Barack Obama be president?

What is there about him?

He's never achieved anything. He's never done anything. He's never run anything. He's a completely insubstantial person.

But he has one great attribute, which is he's a spell-binding orator. And so that was the case he was making. Never mind that I've never done anything, words matter -- but the words I'm using aren't mine.

And suddenly that makes you think if there were a record of accomplishment, you're right, this would all be as insubstantial as everyone on the panel has been saying. But since there is no record of accomplishment, since he's running only on his words, the fact that they're not his words, that's pretty serious, to my mind, because it raises the question who is he?

What is he?

On what does he stake his claim?

Maybe we should be running Deval Patrick for the Democratic nominee. After all, he gives the same speech."

I do not care who this quote is from. If he is right, then he is right, and he is right in my opinion when we are talking specifically about the office of President of The United States in a post-9/11 world!

Barack Obama may have done some good things at the local level which would qualify him to be in the Senate BUT he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that I have seen so far which qualifies him to be the next President who will inherit a huge foreign policy and economic mess from Bush on 1/20/09 when there will probably be very little to no room for any margin of error on judgment!

Mitch Dworkin

http://www.securingamerica.com/

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10756
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will bring "more scrutiny" to Obama which is very badly missing and needed right now as well as "googling his speeches very carefully" which Jeffrey Toobin mentioned:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/19/se.01.html

CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL

Will a Win Help Clinton Stop Obama's Momentum; Three States Hold Presidential Contests

Aired February 19, 2008 - 20:00 ET

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: "Well, there's no doubt it is politics and -- but I mean is it sticking, John?

JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It is. We've been asking all along will this newcomer to the national stage make rookie mistakes in his first run for national office. It's her first run for national office too, but she's been around her husband's campaign. So she has, "the one place where she does have more experience if we are going to have an experience argument, is around presidential politics than he does." This is the first time they have made what you could characterize as a mistake, perhaps a rookie mistake made by an inexperienced candidate.

The one thing it will do, Anderson, I don't think that lifting words once or twice is going to derail his candidacy. It is going to get him more scrutiny, and the Clinton campaign has all along said, look more closely at what he says. Look more closely at his record.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: They will be googling his speeches very carefully..."

isn't the only example of him plagarizing...he stole Hillary's platform, as well!
He uses one's rhetoric to pass off another's reality as his own...

Axelrod has run the same campaign mottos starting as far back for Paul Simon! Same "hope, trust me" stuff. No specific indications as to what we are to hope for or are putting our trust in.

For me it's not the plagiarism that is such a huge deal, it is the fact that so many Americans are trusting that it is Obama HIMSELF who is new and fresh and totally different when, in fact, his speeches are in cans from the past. He makes them smell good because he is a great spaker, or should I say, actor.

Give this lady first prize!

Let's see, that gives us an Axlerod/Favreau ticket. Kinda clunky; nothing rhymes with 'Favreau' and can't really morph words with 'Axlerod' to any effect.

We're gonna have to work this one.

took the words right out of my mouth. Better said, though.

1984 happened, but the media didn't tell us.

If so-called plagarism, between two politicians who are close friends is the best Senator Clinton can come up with, she is in worse shape than even most recent primary results and polls indicate.

The Boston Globe reported that "Governor Deval Patrick went on national TV yesterday to defend Senator Obama against charges that the Democratic presidential hopeful plagiarized Patrick. Patrick said on ABC's "Good Morning America" that the allegations were an unfair attempt to "belittle" Obama's "ability to motivate people."

The governor and Illinois senator have long shared similar principles and policies, Patrick has stumped for Obama, and Obama has borrowed rhetoric from his friend."

I sincerely hope that come November all Democrats will unite and support whoever is our nominee with as much vigor as we supported John Kerry. I know I will.

The plagarism accusation and creation of an anti-Obama 527 don't seem helpful, especially if we are all going to be called on to forget the primaries and unite behind our nominee as early as next month.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14785#comment-284235

Gordon: Did you see what I said THE REAL ISSUE is about this?

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 20, 2008 - 8:00pm.

Four days after the "crime" was committed, there are those who wish to perpetutate the notion that Barack stole the words from his pal Governor Patrick Duval.

The entire plagiarism claim reminds me of a statement attributable to former U.S. Senator Frank Church that "the art of politics is to take the smallest, itsy-bitsy word or happening, and try to make it into the biggest deal you can."

Time to turn the page, folks. People are tired of the same old tricks, played by the same old people in Washington D.C.

Wow! That's the exact same thing we did in the happy land of product development, and corporate branding and marketing! Wow! Just WOW!

Maybe I could become a political consultant! Hey, that's and idea. I'm sort of drifting these days anyway.

;-)

With your compassion and understanding of the human condition, and sense of humor, you could actually make a candidate seem real.

Here is the formula for success: Latch on to a candidate who can raise millions of dollars, like say a doctor from Vermont. Get your fees up-front before you blow through the money by early January of the election year.

Repeat formula four years later.

in my neighborhood who was running for state rep. I shoulda jumped on board before the primary.

Millions of dollars? Er...not gonna happen in my neighborhood. Wait, there is that guy down the street with a fountain in his front yard. Maybe there's some cash there.

:-D

"I completely agree with this explanation from David Frum which is also a very good preview about how the other side will run against Obama in the general election IF he is the nominee:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/18/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Nancy Reagan Hospitalized; The War of the Word in the Race for President

Aired February 18, 2008 - 21:00 ET

LARRY KING, HOST: "You're a speechwriter.

What do you think?

It's a very odd and ironic kind of story. Here's the rap on this guy. I mean this is a little bit like discovering that Dwight Eisenhower didn't actually run D-Day.

What is -- why should -- why should Barack Obama be president?

What is there about him?

He's never achieved anything. He's never done anything. He's never run anything. He's a completely insubstantial person.

What is he?

On what does he stake his claim?

Maybe we should be running Deval Patrick for the Democratic nominee. After all, he gives the same speech."

Not really--it is the act of non-attribution of the original source and can carry sanctions depending on the impact. In this case, a friend said it was OK, so no consequences to the originator (who isn't even Deval Patrick, by the way.) But plagiraism is not really the issue we should be discussing. It's one of validity of a self-presentation to one's audience, in this case the people who will elect the next President of the United States of America.

Watch this please...http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/20/there-will-be-bamboozling/

Where is the real guy?

will definitely be asking these kind of tough questions about Obama IF he is the nominee which is why the media needs to start asking these questions right now instead of giving him a free pass on the issues, on his record, and on his past:

http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=c0b6d8c3-031d-4a88-80b8-b817a7aa2a0f

Tuesday, February 19, 2008

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Rookie Obama Swipes Key Themes, Lines And Even A Joke From Former Clients Of His Chief Strategist

Last Week, Obama Swiped A Line From Gov. Deval Patrick (D-MA), A Former Client Of His Strategist David Axelrod:

Obama On Saturday: "'I have a dream.' Just words. 'We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal.' Just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Just words." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Wisconsin Democratic Party Founders Day Dinner, Milwaukee, WI, 2/16/08)

Patrick In 2006: "'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.' Just words. Just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Just words. 'Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.' Just words. 'I have a dream.' Just words." (Gov. Deval Patrick, Remarks At The Boston Common, Boston, MA, 10/15/06)

Obama Later Admitted He Should Have Given Patrick Credit For Taking The Line. Obama: "I was on the stump, and, you know, he had suggested that we use these lines. ... I thought they were good lines. I'm sure I should have [given him credit], didn't this time." (John McCormick, "Obama Says He Should Have Credited Patrick," Chicago Tribune's "The Swamp" Blog, weblogs.chicagotribune.com, 2/18/08)

Chicago Political Strategist David Axelrod, A Top Adviser For Obama's Presidential Campaign, Guided Both Obama's Senate Campaign And Patrick's Gubernatorial Bid. "The man who has honed that message for both candidates is veteran Chicago political strategist David Axelrod, who guided Obama's Senate campaign and Patrick's gubernatorial bid and is now a top strategist on Obama's presidential effort." (Scott Helman, "Patrick, Obama Campaigns Share Language Of 'Hope,'" The Boston Globe, 4/16/07)

Will Obama Give Gov. Patrick Credit For Other Key Lines He Has Used Repeatedly On The Stump?

Patrick In 2006: "I Am Not Asking Anybody To Take A Chance On Me. I Am Asking You To Take A Chance On Your Own Aspirations." (Gov. Deval Patrick, Remarks At The Massachusetts Democratic Party Convention, Boston, MA, 6/3/06)

Obama In 2007: "I Am Not Asking Anyone To Take A Chance On Me. I Am Asking You To Take A Chance On Your Own Aspirations." "But you see, I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations." (DeWayne Wickham, Op-Ed, "Obama Tries To Allay Race, Safety Concerns Of Blacks," USA Today, 11/6/07)

Patrick In 2006: "We Can Disagree With Each Other Without Being Disagreeable." "By showing that we can disagree with each other without being disagreeable." (Gov. Deval Patrick, Remarks On Election Night At Hynes Convention Center, Boston, MA, 11/6/06)

Obama In 2008: "We Can Disagree With Each Other Without Being Disagreeable." (Anna Webb and Brian Murphy, "Obama Wows, Inspires Crowd At Packed Arena: 'And They Told Me There Were No Democrats In Idaho,'" The Idaho Statesman, 2/3/08)

Chairman Of The Massachusetts Democrat Party On Obama's 2007 DNC Winter Meeting Speech: "We Could Have Closed Our Eyes When Obama Spoke [And] It Could Have Been Deval." "When a delegation of Massachusetts Democrats heard Obama speak at the Democratic National Committee's winter meeting in Washington in February, they could trace the thread, said state Democratic Party chairman Philip W. Johnston. 'We all said that we could have closed our eyes when Obama spoke [and] it could have been Deval,' Johnston said. 'To us it was a similar kind of message.'" (Scott Helman, "Patrick, Obama Campaigns Share Language Of 'Hope,'" The Boston Globe, 4/16/07)

Obama Also Copies Former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) Of 2004, Another Axelrod Client, Taking Key Themes, Lines And Even A Joke:

In His 2004 Presidential Campaign, Axelrod Was Edwards' "Senior Strategist." (CNN's "Inside Politics," 2/11/04)

In 2003, John Edwards Stressed He Had Spent Enough Time In Washington To See The Need To Change. Edwards: "I haven't spent most of my life in politics, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change it." (Sasha Issenberg, "Obama Borrows From Edwards," The Boston Globe's "Political Intelligencer" Blog, www.boston.com, 1/5/08)

Obama Does The Same Today. Obama: "I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change." (Sasha Issenberg, "Obama Borrows From Edwards," The Boston Globe's "Political Intelligencer" Blog, www.boston.com, 1/5/08)

Edwards In 2004: "Hard work should be valued in this country, so we're going to reward work, not just wealth." (Former Sen. John Edwards, Remarks To The Democratic National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/28/04)

Obama In January: "We shouldn't just be respecting wealth in this country - we should be respecting work." (Sasha Issenberg, "Obama Borrows From Edwards," The Boston Globe's "Political Intelligencer" Blog, www.boston.com, 1/5/08)

John Edwards In 2004: "Reject The Tired, Old, Hateful, Negative Politics Of The Past ... Embrace The Politics Of Hope." "[T]he American people, you can reject the tired, old, hateful, negative politics of the past. And instead you can embrace the politics of hope, the politics of what's possible because this is America, where everything is possible." (Former Sen. John Edwards, Remarks To The Democratic National Convention, Boston, MA, 7/28/04)

Obama Swiped This Theme Urging Voters To "Break Out Of The Politics Of The Past." "Democrat Barack Obama said Sunday it is difficult ... 'to break out of the politics of the past,' when the country was badly divided and Democrats lost control of Congress ..." (Charles Babington, "Obama Ties Clinton To Divisive 'Politics Of The Past,'" The Associated Press, 2/10/08)

Obama Has Even Swiped One Of Edwards' Key Jokes From The Stump. "Even a new Obama laugh line -- joking about pharmaceutical ads that 'have all these people running around in the fields and stuff' - evokes an anecdotal staple of Edwards's 2004 'Two Americas' stump speech used to ridicule the marketing budgets of pharmaceutical companies. 'I love the ads,' Edwards said then. 'Buy their medicine, take it and the next day you and your spouse will be skipping through the fields.' Obama wins the biggest response when he punches up the Edwards observation with a slyly racy kicker." (Sasha Issenberg, "Obama Borrows From Edwards," The Boston Globe's "Political Intelligencer" Blog, www.boston.com, 1/5/08)

Media And Others Have Noticed Similar Themes And Lines Among Axelrod Clients:

Elizabeth Edwards, Wife Of John Edwards, Pointed To Axelrod As The Reason For Obama's Rhetoric Resembling Her Husband's Rhetoric In 2004. Elizabeth Edwards: "You listen to the language of what people say, particularly Obama, who seems to be using a lot of John's 2004 language, which is maybe not surprising since one of his speechwriters was one of our speechwriters, his media guy was our media guy. These people know John's mantra as well as anybody could know it. They've moved from 'hope is on the way' to 'the audacity of hope.' I'm constantly hearing things in a familiar tone." (Ruth Conniff, "Elizabeth Edwards," The Progressive, 8/07)

The Washington Post's Dana Milbank: "[T]he Boston Globe caught Obama red-handed after the new Democratic front-runner stole words from Edwards. ... Coincidence? Consider that Edwards's 2004 adviser David Axelrod is Obama's 2008 adviser." (Dana Milbank, Op-Ed, "Whose Line Is It, Anyway?" The Washington Post, 1/7/08)

The Boston Globe's Scott Helman: Obama "Borrowing Themes, Messages, And Even Specific Lines" From Patrick. "In the midst of his improbable run for office, Obama and his advisers have evidently studied Patrick's up-from-nowhere victory in Massachusetts and are borrowing themes, messages, and even specific lines for the presidential campaign." (Scott Helman, "Patrick, Obama Campaigns Share Language Of 'Hope,'" The Boston Globe, 4/16/07)

ABC News' Jake Tapper: "Since last year, observers have been noting that rhetorical similarities between the two candidates [Obama and Patrick] with vaguely similar biographies and campaign pitches - who also share political guru David Axelrod." (Jake Tapper, "Obama Echoes Deval Patrick ... Again," ABC News' "Political Punch" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 2/18/08)

The Boston Globe's Sasha Issenberg: "The two candidates share a common strategist -- David Axelrod, the mastermi nd of Obama '08, helped launch Edwards '04 - and now a common goal of standing as the reformist outsider against Hillary Clinton." (Sasha Issenberg, "Obama Borrows From Edwards," The Boston Globe's "Political Intelligencer" Blog, www.boston.com, 1/5/08)

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You folks have mentioned one of the problems of Obama's "borrowing." His message is a recycled one, indicating that he's not the fresh, new face people think he is. He's just the reincarnation (religious connotation intended) of a theme that has been in politics for decades: Kerry-Edwards -- "Hope is on the way"; Reagan -- "The shining city on the hill"; Humphrey in 1968 -- "Happy Days Are Here Again"; RFK -- "Some people see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I see things that never were and ask, 'Why not?' " And in all these cases, I don't think the expression of the hope thing was original with the candidate.

The other thing that bothers me is the intellectual dishonesty, to use the words of others without attribution.

I mean, when you quote my unmatched brilliance in these blogs, you do cite me as the source all the time, right?

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Olbermann said that in a previous instance, O had attributed Patrick when he went into the Just Words thing, but in the one put out by the politicos, he didn't

You're right, it's a journalistic integrity thing with attribution. It's a "Kinda issue" at best, but the politicos with visions of Joe Biden in their heads didn't quite weigh the strength of their cards on this.

The shout back, which was equally a kinda issue, was about HRC's use of O! campaign slogan/chants, but those were obvious elbowing gestures and even the least informed in the audience would have known that they came from the O campaign.

Ultimately, the test should be.. will this one change the price of beer? and in this case, it does not. :)

By the way.. the origin of "Fired Up! Ready to Go!" is one of my favorite stories. :D

I'll be workin'. Call me. :-)

in this clip from MSNBC yesterday:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23237672#23237672

I was surprised to hear Tweety say that it was obvious to him that Obama's 2nd book (that would be "Audacity of Hope") was more of a collaboration book than a single author book.

Anybody else heard this?

Didn't see Tweety, but there's lots of interestting information about Obama's book "collaboration" here:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/obamas-books-composite-characters-false-memories/#more-1570

managed to promote Hillary Clinton today on MSNBC by positively discussing her and her record. Not by attacking Senator Obama in an area where it appears both candidates "borrow" from others. This doesn't convince me to vote for Senator Clinton.

Wes Clark. Leadership I can believe in.

"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau

If politicians were prohibited from commenting on the opponents record, character, and ideals, then all we would have spewed is a bunch of flowery bull shit about how great I am, how great I am, how great I am. "Negative" information keeps the candidates more or less honest and let's people see them for what they are and not as how they would like to be perceived. Sort of like Obama is now; he has yet to face any really negative stuff and, unfortunatey, it seems he is beginning to believe his own PR. All he has to do is shout "RACIST!" and the media runs for cover. Not quite fair, is it? What do you know about the "sins" of Obama that you have read in the paper lately? conversely, people don't seem to give a damn if Hillary shouts "Sexist!" That's still OK in America, I guess.

At some point, I hope you can figure it out.

1984 happened, but the media didn't tell us.

If Axelrod can't come up with anything new then this is sad and he's paying for the same old stuff.

is that Senator Obama is a great actor/orator. Other politicians with this gift have done very well, and it's no surprise (although kinda sad and discouraging) that the American public still falls for this stuff.

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

whether he likes it or not in the general election IF he is the nominee. This is something that all Democratic primary voters should definitely be aware of and consider BEFORE the Democratic primary is over!

The allegations of plagiarism concerning Barack Obama seem to go beyond Deval Patrick. Each person will have to decide for themself how valid that they think this argument is in the YouTube video right below:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/02/obamboozled_did.html

February 20, 2008

Obamboozled: Did B Hussein O Steal Speeches From Racist Spike Lee Movies?

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By Debbie Schlussel

It sure looks like it. Do you really want a Prez whose ideas for this country are stolen from racist, anti-Semitic Spike Lee's movies glorifying Nation of Islam leaders? (Thanks to reader David for the tip!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU (04:28)

Barack Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling

Watch the whole video. It's well done to the end. Do you really want this apparent imitator of Denzel Washington imitating Malcolm X?

So let me get this straight, the man who wants to be leader of the free world claims he doesn't like the Nation of Islam. But he likes to imitate its leaders as portrayed in movies?!

G-d help us.

Can you really afford to have this phony as the next President of the United States?

NO, YOU CAN'T.

Ya been Bamboozled. Ya been hoodwinked.

--"Barack Hussein Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling."