Oh, that spin they're in.
Submitted by mad4clark on April 8, 2008 - 7:53am.
Barack Obama | Hillary Clinton | Markos Mulitsas Zuniga | Democratic politics

Turkana has a great piece up right now refuting the Obama spin, and in particular the latest lies from Markos in Newsweek.
Obama blogger Markos Moulitsas uses his Newsweek gig to repeat what's become boilerplate at his Obamablog:
No matter how you define victory, Barack Obama holds an insurmountable lead in the race to earn the Democratic nomination. He leads in the one metric that matters most: the pledged delegates chosen directly by Democratic voters. But he also leads in the popular vote, the number of states won and money raised. Still, Obama's advantages aren't large enough to allow him an outright victory. He needs the 20 percent of party delegates who aren't bound to a candidate. It's with these superdelegates that Clinton has staked her ephemeral chances.Clinton's near-lone chance of victory rests with a coup by superdelegate, persuading enough of them to overcome the primary voters' preference.
Of course, almost none of this is factually accurate. Here are some facts...
1) Obama does not hold an insurmountable lead to earn the Democratic nomination. Neither candidate can win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, so neither candidate can win without superdelegates. Neither candidate has enough pledged superdelegates to secure the nomination, so either candidate can still do that. That's the simple truth.
2) That the pledged delegates are "the one metric that matters most" is nothing but an opinion. The opinion of an Obama blogger......
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3) A victory by superdelegates is not a coup. Such a framing is both factually wrong and deliberately inflammatory............
Turkana then quotes Sean Wilentz ....
......It is this eccentric system that has given Obama his lead in the delegate count. If the Democrats heeded the "winner takes all" democracy that prevails in American politics, and that determines the president, Clinton would be comfortably in front. In a popular-vote winner-take-all system, Clinton would now have 1,743 pledged delegates to Obama's 1,257. If she splits the 10 remaining contests with Obama, as seems plausible, with Clinton taking Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana and Puerto Rico, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Montana, Oregon and Guam, she'd pick up another 364 pledged delegates. She'd have 2,107 before a single superdelegate was wooed. You need 2,024 to be the Democratic nominee. Game over. No more blogospheric ranting about Clinton "stealing" the nomination by kidnapping superdelegates or cutting deals at a brokered convention.
Of course Markos knows all this, as does Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews. What they are doing is using their bully pulpits to try and game the system.
Turkana......
Obama bloggers want to scare Clinton supporters and Clinton donors. They want to create an aura of inevitability for Obama such that any Clinton victory will be seen as a theft. This makes Clinton look petty and dishonest, and her supporters, at best, delusional. But facts are stubborn things, and the facts are that such a framing is simply inaccurate. And these same Obama bloggers then claim that it is Clinton and her supporters who are dividing the Party! And they wonder why Clinton supporters are so angry. They wonder why people who do not support Clinton but simply care about honesty are so angry!
Any other candidate would have caved under this constant barrage long ago.
The fact that Hillary fights on, defiant in the face of such relentless pressure, shows just how much character and grit she has.....attributes which will come in mighty handy when she is fighting for health care in the WH.
When you come right down to it.....isn't this the kind of President we want?
Bloggers like Markos have written screeds on how mad they are that Pelosi and Reid acquiesce to Republicans rather than fight for our progressive issues. And yet they are backing a candidate who's mantra is "getting along" with Republicans......who says they had all the good ideas over the past 10-15 years, and who now says that his foreign policy will be like Kennedy, Reagan and GHW Bush!!
What is wrong with this picture?
I can only put it down to a severe....and pathetic....case of CDS.

I don't think Wilentz will get very far arguing that using a winner-take-all system, Clinton would be ahead, and therefore the SuperDs should nominate her. The proportional allocation of delegates is deeply ingrained in Democratic Party tradition now, and the Party will never give it up. It's...well...unDemocratic to argue for winner-take-all.
If I were a SuperD, I'd discount in my thinking the results of the caucus states. I would weigh them, but would give more weight to the primary results.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

...should be the criteria the SuperDs should look at. imho
Actually I think he's simply comparing it to how we do the GE.
And although I agree that "winner take all" isn't very democratic......if we want to be totally democratic, we should get rid of the caucus system.
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK

I think popular vote is probably the best argument to take to the SuperDs, because it is something simple and straight forward that they in turn can take to their constituents, some of whom are likely to be mad as hell no matter how they vote.
But what really should count the most is who is most likely to win in November. And that means electoral votes. But it doesn't mean a straight count of who would would win the most delegates in a winner-take-all system, since winning a state against a fellow Dem does not mean winning the state in the GE.
It really means what are the critical battleground states and who is most likely to win them?
Conventional wisdom, borne out in the last two cycles, is that the critical states are Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Hillary has or most likely will have decisive leads in all three.
She is also more likely to keep Michigan, which is usually assumed but perhaps should not be this time around if their delegates are not seated.
Obama is proposing a different combination, and each SuperD should to ask him/herself, is it feasable? For example, one of O's critical states is Virginia. Does anyone think he'll take Virginia? I don't. But maybe a majority of SuprerDs will, especially if he picks Tim Kaine as his VP.
I'm not sure what his other states are. I remember hearing that Colorado is one, and I'm guessing NM is another. But I don't think those put him over the top, especially without both Florida and Michigan.

I agree, Jai. Colorado, for example, last went blue for President in 1992. While the state has changed drastically beginning in 2004, it will still be tough against McCain.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

...that BTD is wrong in thinking that Obama is the more viable candidate in the GE due to Media LUV....
But he is wrong, and the reason he is wrong is due to the way CDS works in the media. They don't love Obama or consider him any kind of darling. They want him to beat Hillary. Period. End of affection. There really isn't a postitive take on Obama as such. He is more of a foil for the attacks on Clinton than gaining any great well of affection among the Russerts and Matthews of the press. Maureen Dowd may be psychotic, but she is channeling the actual attitude of the press corps(e) towards Obama - weak, effeminate, a pretty little toy they will soon grow tired of.
Obama's role in the campaign meta story is to rescue the Democratic Party from the clutches of the evil Clintons. The best and brightest on the left have totally bought into this fantasy to the point where they can't help acting out their deepest oedipal fantasies of what Hillary wants to do to their manhood, and the Dean faction of the DNC is more than happy to use it in a triumphal way, declaring the Obama has already won so go home already!
The trouble is, he can fulfill his role and still be a lovely punching bag for the media the second he secures the nomination. When the wimp is put next to the war hero, the MSM's leg thrills will be reserved for Big John.
Touting the Media Darling meme also overlooks the most concrete phenomenon of the campaign - Hillary wins despite the sh*t.
And the money quote....
Hillary is the opposite of a media darling. She's the voters' darling, and that is how you win elections.
Read the whole thing...
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/04/myth-of-media-darling.html
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK
what about Olbermann? He always spoke well of Hillary before BO became such a sensation. It seems to me that much of the Obamania began about the time he won Iowa and "proved" he could get white votes and thus be viable. Of course, he won't be viable in the GE. Hannity and Colmes had a segment last night highlighting one of the unrepentent terrorists he is "friendly with". Just a preview of the big show we'll be seeing if BO has either slot on the ticket!
This man got his start in "news" reporting and
political commentary (he had been just a sports
announcer and commentator) on MSNBC during the
Monica incident by broadcasting nightly, for a
full hour, on the blue dress and other aspects
of Bill's stupidity and Hill's humiliation. Yes,
Olberman was giddy with excitement when both
Hillary and Bill sat for interviews with him
earlier in the campaign season, but he soon
decided to join the ranks of the bully males,
trying to put the uppity woman back in her
place.

One to Bob Somerby on the Media
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh040808.shtml
And one to eriposte on the so called Left blogosphere
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012297.php
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK

...from lambert...