Mon, 05 May 2008 10:00:04 -0400
Clinton Steals One Show, While Obama Endures Another
NYTimes
Senator Barack Obama sat hunched on Sunday across the desk from Tim Russert on “Meet The Press” on NBC and wearily endured question after question about his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton stood up from her armchair on Sunday to tower over George Stephanopoulos on “This Week” on ABC and merrily took on all critics, even the king of the Clinton-bashers, the talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh.
“He’s always had a crush on me,” Mrs. Clinton said with a sly smile.
Talk shows, even the more serious news programs, are never really about talk; they are about image and demeanor. Together, “Meet the Press” and its rival “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” provided an arresting tableau of the reversal of fortunes in the Democratic race. Mrs. Clinton was forceful, confident and at times even frisky as she easily deflected questions from Mr. Stephanopoulos and members of a town-hall-style meeting in Indianapolis. Mr. Obama, usually the one to see the humor in politics, instead looked grave and dispirited....
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Jen, thank you for posting this article. After being brow beaten all weekend trying to find positive, hopeful articles regarding the polls, upcoming primaries, etc and ignoring all the negatives, this made it all worthwhile!!!
I can't wait to see the video. :)
with my mom and we both laughed and laughed when Hillary remained standing and Steph. was finally forced to join her on his feet...looking pretty uncomfortable!
She did a great job with all of the questions, including the O! fanatic and the other "young white girl Republican voting for Obama"...HUH? Unless she's in love with him, why the heck would she REALLY be voting for "the very most liberal member of the Senate????"
I passed on the O! show on the other O! loving channel, but that NYT article made me smile! :)
I like that!
I flipped channels to compare, just caught the tail end of both but he did something so strange - I couldn't figure out what he was doing (O)
He kept looking down at the table to the right, same spot, like every 5 seconds instead of at Timmy or the normal place one looks when cogitating or recalling something- up and to the left.
Down and right. I checked my body language sources and they said it meant someone who is having an inner dialogue in their head as they are speaking, kind of 'rehearsing' what they're going to say ...
I thought he had notes at first, then the camera pulled back and the only thing on the table there was his coffee cup. Well if bush can wear a backpack with Cheney's voice-- maybe he had notes in his coffee cup! LOL
She was electric and emanated strength. The audience was really attuned to her, not in that excited jumping and fainting way, but just listening with deep intent.
...whether one is using a visual, auditory, or kinesthetic mode and whether one is recalling or constructing information.
On the other hand, maybe the coffee cup was the place he focused to keep his face composed?
In any event, it sounds as if he was struggling.
I've actually studied it quite a bit over the years, even before NLP. It depends on right or left handed people as well (BO is left handed). Pretty useful stuff.
It definitely was not the image of a confident, composed person-- that's for sure!
He flounders when he's off-script...
He never did look up during his "disavowal" of Wright.
He looked like he wasn't able to look anyone in the eye.
That's a guilty look, if I ever saw one. Weird.
"Mrs. Clinton once again proved that it takes more than a village to make her sweat."
Waiting to see how George Steph. gets his revenge.
USA Today/Gallup Poll: Obama "Significantly Hurt" by Wright
USA Today reports on its new poll conducted with Gallup:
Barack Obama's national standing has been significantly damaged by the controversy over his former pastor, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, raising questions for some voters about the Illinois senator's values, credibility and electability.
.The erosion of support among Democrats and independents raises the stakes in Tuesday's Indiana and North Carolina primaries, which represent a chance for Obama to reassert his claim to a Democratic nomination that seems nearly in his grasp.
The numbers:
In the USA TODAY survey, taken Thursday through Saturday, Clinton leads Obama among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents by 7 percentage points, the first time in three months she has been ahead. Two weeks ago, before the controversy over comments by Jeremiah Wright reignited, Obama led by 10 points.Then there's this:
Eight of 10 Americans have been following [the Rev. Wright controversy] most of them closely...Just 1% of likely voters say Obama's links to Wright make them more likely to support him.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
POLITICAL campaigning necessarily produces a wide gap between words and deeds. This is the price of bringing together a broad coalition with disparate interests. All effective politicians are at times authentically insincere or sincerely inauthentic. Exaggeration, embellishment, overstatement, doubletalk, deception and lies presented as metaphorical truths are the order of the day.
So, of course, Barack Obama is no different. He exaggerates the credit he deserves for a limited piece of ethics-reform legislation. He embellishes when he presents himself as having had a consistent record on the Iraq war when in fact he's done a fair amount of zigzagging.
He engages in doubletalk when, on free trade and Iraq, he tells the yokels one thing and the policy people another. He overstates when he presents his minimal accomplishments in the Illinois Senate as proof of his stature. He engages in systematic deception when he says he doesn't take money from lobbyists.
He presents a lie as metaphorical truth when he says it was the 1965 bloody Sunday attacks on peaceful civil rights protesters in Selma, Alabama, that inspired his parents to marry. (They had been married for years already.)
All of this is unappealing, but also unexceptional. What makes it different is that there's not just a gap but a chasm between his actions and his professed principles, which would normally kill a candidacy. And because his deeds are so few, the disparity is all the more salient.
Obama, far more than the others, is the "judge me by what I say and not what I do" candidate. He wants to be the conscience of the country without necessarily having one himself. ...
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
for its dissection of the Chicago machine politics that have been in place for years and years...even as a life-long resident of the Chicago 'burbs, I found some new and very interesting pieces of information here!!
Marinerfan!!
Hope you have a wonderful day, and year!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
I don't think he would mind me sharing this portion of his email. I have known this guy for over 20 yrs and we always enjoy getting into political debates. Always on the very opposite side of everything -- but in a respectful and friendly manner. We've had some great arguments!
He's smart, successful and talented - in entertainment. We last spoke about the race a few months back and he was starting to lean significantly towards Hillary! I kept talking to him and he kept listening. But it wasn't my words that put him over.... Read this and then think about why it's not a mistake for candidates to appear on ALL the so-called news programs-- and reach ALL voters:
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OK, I am now an official Hillary supporter. After watching her interview with O'Reilly and all the stuff this week. I actually believe she is the best person for the job. My concern though, it may be all a moot point if she doesn't get the nomination. How do we get YOUR party to count Florida and Michigan fully in the tabulations? I am very mistrusting of Obama. He said yesterday that Hillary will say anything to get elected. This is an overwhelming example of transference. It is him who will say anything to get elected. I don't believe a word he says. I believe he is the most dishonest candidate since Nixon.
Anyway, if he does get the nomination, I will be forced to vote for Mc Cain. So, I am hoping for a Hillary nomination.
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That's why Wes and others appear on Fox Noise. Reaching the full electorate. (I mean it's not like MSNBC and the rest of them are such bastions of liberal progressive doctrine...)
OT: I am leaving for a cruise tonight! Hubby is singing on the boat and I'm part of the package deal! Yeah!! Packing now. Will try to blog from the ship - it's WiFi so I'm happy about that, but costly to buy Internets minutes.... I don't know how up to date I'll be on Indiana and NC so --if you guys are live blogging the election- think of me out at sea trying to find results and put up a thread or something that will be easy to find!! I'll be dying to know! :)
PS Just got an email from BlackBox pretty much setting up that Indiana is going to be a stolen election, (like New Hampshire, Nevada, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, California... see a pattern?) because - as Bev says- they've purged voters from both African American and "Liberal" communties...
I wonder who she's implying will be doing the stealing? :/
"Clinton did it!"
I can't wait!
Haven't really "vacated" in a long long time.
There is a Cordon Bleu chef in one of the restaurants - and all food is free! I will surely come back a few pounds heavier!
I am so jealous, I love cruises and had such a great time a couple years ago. You enjoy, your such a hardworking women, and deserve every moment of it. Looking forward to hearing from you while you travel the sea!!! Will keep you informed...just tune in!! :)
I'm always having hot flashes so that first photo was mighty fine! It cooled me down in a way. :)
Enjoy!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
I have enough stuff for two weeks... just in case!
Gotta run now--
Will try to check in later. We leave late.
How about single digits wins in both NC and IN? The polls are all over the place but it looks like a possible 10 point win in In and about a 3 point loss in NC which would both be great!
Consider it a done deal, ms in la. Double digits in IN, and single in NC. Oh, and the recount in Guam puts her ahead by 82 votes.
You're going to have such a blast! Fun, fun, fun!! Hubby will be the star and you'll be the little groupie! LOL!
Oh, and I suggest eating steadily all day. Don't hold out for the fabulous dinners. Sure way to gain weight! Eating all day, you'll eat less at each meal. Just a tip from the surf doggie. LOL!!
Oh, I hope you can get online. I know it will prolly be expensive, but maybe they'll throw it in as part of the package since you're with the band?! Important press releases and reviews need to go out, doncha know! ;-)
We'll have a thread going for sure! Unfortunate that I will be in and out until after dad's dinner, so from about 4:30 to 6 I'll be trying to keep up, but prolly not posting a lot of results. Hopefully everyone else will be!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
saying things like "It's done" and "consider it a done deal"... you've got me thinking that YOU may be the one -- that lone operative in the Clinton Machine-- that Brad Friedman and Bev Harris have been so eagerly hunting down lately.
All those rigged primaries. All the ones CLINTON won! They sent video teams out to each one!! They've just been too busy tracking down the Clinton election fraud to look into all those other states...
But maybe it's you Jen... rigging all those touchscreens with the information you gleaned by working on Who's Counting....
I may have to report you. It pains me to do so, but... people like you will do ANYTHING to win... And must be stopped. ;)
(Warning: Sarcasm & Humor in above post)
To Indiana tomorrow - are we???
I hear it's a lovely place to sojourn in the springtime...
(wink wink- ) :)
except maybe me, hah! the last real holiday i went on was, let's see, hmm, i went to San Diego wth my brother for a convention in the early nineties as a tag along, does that count?
But seriously, i never understood the kos reaction when Clark went on Fox so long ago. i understood his motive immediately, so why couldn't supposedly political junkies get it? never figured that one out but really, how they can call themselves the reality based community is beyond me. today, for example, kos has a front page post up where he tries to make hillary and maccain the same based on their foreign policy statements. as his example, he takes a quote where hillary is clearly talking about the casualty rate for the military as being more serious than any timeline the military occupies a single place. he has no concept of reality. the amercan military presence in the places she mentions is long, but basically of a peace keeping nature and the casualties are almost non-existent there, the point i think she is making. with respect to iraq, there is no comparison, i believe her when she says she plans to draw down troops, but i also believe wes when he talks about this as a very serious undertaking which itself may take a very long time, wes always adds to this point that this is why war is the last option. i get this, why can't kos?
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It's like today, I talked to an Iranian friend (who is a big Hillary supporter) and asked him "What did you think about "obliterate-o-gate"?"
He immediately responded that he and his entire REPUBLICAN family (some here, some in Iran) totally understood the need to address the HYPOTHETICAL question in that manner and the big stick theory. They just got it. It's part of foreign policy muscle flexing. No mistaken interpretations, no bruised feelings, in fact his republican family was very impressed that she didn't "waffle" and back down from her statement when pressed, and will also be voting for her! Down the line, the whole family. They also know it'll never happen. Iran will not nuke Israel. US will have nothing to retaliate for. Much ado about fantasy hypotheticals...
It's also like-- two days ago when I asked my gay hairdresser how he felt about "Pansy-gate".... Huh? He asked. So what? Offended? Are you kidding! No way.
The only offendees by all of these faux scandal outrages based on twisted snippets of She Saids... seem to be Kos and his buddies. And they are claiming with no shortage of self righteousness (reeking in it) that they are outraged for those the callous She Demon has offended. Right.
Like my republican friend said today-- here the Dems have their best chance of getting the White House back --and the worst hits Hillary has been taking is ironically from the left! From her own party.
Where's that hookah smoking caterpillar?
that needs to be mailed to each and every superdelegate.
We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.
By Susan Estrich @ Real Clear Politics
~ snip ~
If you think the purpose of all these primaries and caucuses is to build the party, empower the grass roots, and celebrate democracy, then the answer is and should be no.
But after a few decades of campaigning, too many of them for candidates who probably never had a chance of winning, I'm convinced that the other purpose is the one that should dominate.
Winning.
The role of superdelegates is not to vote for the candidate who has shown the greatest popularity among the grass roots activists who dominate this season, particularly in caucus states.
It's to pick the one with the best chance of winning.
The goal here is to elect a president, not select a nominee.... More.
h/t LOM @ TM
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Win in the General Election and do the best Job as President. The American People will benefit greatly with Hillary as President. In result - the support for Democrats throughout the country will "Snowball."
At The Daily Howler -- Scroll down to the section titled:
Special report: From one side now!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Sometimes, a break is a break.
Poached from TM
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
either Mcacin or Hillary give a 'gas tax' holiday to the American people for three months this summer; do you think Bush will sign a bill for it; it is an improbable abstraction on so many levels;
Addiction in individuals occurs when a person stops seeing a reason to risk the vulnerability required for real fulfillment. A drug may be so powerful that it simply replaces the struggle to build a satisfying life - Media Literacy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/myanmar-death-toll-could_n_100197.html
Myanmar death toll could top 10,000, foreign minister says
May 5, 2008 02:04 PM EST |
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Myanmar_believes_13_000_dead_missin_05052008.html
Myanmar believes 13,000 dead, missing from cyclone
5/5/2008
Addiction in individuals occurs when a person stops seeing a reason to risk the vulnerability required for real fulfillment. A drug may be so powerful that it simply replaces the struggle to build a satisfying life - Media Literacy
The man who tried to soar above politics has been brought back to earth by the same media organizations that helped fuel his spectacular rise.
After more than a year of mostly glowing coverage, Barack Obama is having to defend his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his temerity in not sporting a flag pin, even his arugula-loving, bad-bowling, let-me-eat-my-waffle persona that fostered what Newsweek has branded "the Bubba Gap.""The media have decided to get tougher on Obama," says St. Petersburg Times media critic Eric Deggans. "There was so much talk about him getting such an easy ride that some journalists got tired of it."
When the Illinois senator denounced his former pastor last week, it followed days of saturation coverage of Wright's inflammatory, sometimes eccentric remarks. The press, which was slow to recognize the importance of the Wright controversy -- videotapes of his sermons could have been purchased months earlier -- was no longer willing to dismiss the reverend as a sideshow.
Still, says David Greenberg, a Rutgers University professor of journalism and history, the coverage could be far worse. For journalists, he says, "there has been a real infatuation with Obama that has served as almost an unconscious restraint" as many became "taken with the idea of demonstrating their tolerance and America's tolerance by electing a black candidate."
What loosened those restraints, says Greenberg, was the media's conclusion that Obama had virtually wrapped up his nomination fight against Hillary Clinton. "It's backwards -- the toughest scrutiny should come while it's still a real fight," he says....
(poached from Hot Topics at TM)
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
~ snip ~
But Andrea Mitchell is the high priestess of cluelessly arrogant Mitchellism. This was brought home to me this morning when she snippily and half mockingly told Howard Wolfson that the gas tax idea was DOA in Congress, it would never get passed and anyway, the NYTimes had already weighed in on this issue and concluded that Hillary was insincere for even proposing it.
Wolfson deftly put her in her place by saying something like, (paraphrasing heavily) “A politician makes a proposal, it goes in front of the public, their representatives hash it out, public opinion gets shaped one way or another and things get voted on. It’s called Democracy, Andrea. You should look it up sometime.
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”Ohh, SNAP! He told her. You should have heard it. It was a thing of beauty. Of course, it doesn’t fit with Andrea’s worldview where the responsibility of the media is to tell people what to think and how to vote. But I have noticed a curious thing happening this primary season. I don’t think the voters trust the media much these days. Just think about what happened in PA. Nearly every paper in the state endorsed Obama. And Hillary won by 10. Oh and then there was Massachusetts. Same thing. Obama, Obama, Obama! Voters said, “ehhhhh, not so much”. In fact, the media has relentlessly fluffed Obama. He literally can do nothing wrong. His campaign is crack, his family is beautiful, his every pronouncement stirring and inspirational. Yet, the voters stupidly go for Clinton over and over again. ...
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Someone told me that seeing a white squirrel before a significant event is good luck. I have one in my back yard; I hereby transfer all "luck" emanating from my white squirrel to Hillary Clinton as of this moment!
Don't forget the candle lighting at
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=hrc
Please take this to the new thread! Positive vibrations, jah! :D
Going now to light a new candle at that sight!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
"Today, in the year 2004, we stand at a
threshold of a new era. Will we continue
down the path of fear and isolation,
pursuing America's interests at the
expense of others? Or will we reach out
to find common ground on which to build
a safer world? Will we see an America
increasingly divided by a chasm between
wealth and opportunity that threatens
the very foundations of justice? Or will
we dedicate ourselves to helping all
Americans to reach their full potential?
Will we see a democracy that increasingly
delegates its responsibilities to a
secretive, self-selected elite? Or will
we revitalize the spirit of participation
on which our country was founded?
In the America I believe in, the answers
to these questions are clear."
Wes Clark at the University of New Hampshire
on October 22, 2003.