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donjo's picture
Submitted by donjo on May 8, 2008 - 9:10am.

would be, "do you feel Obama's campaign and supporters have helped or hurt race relations in this country?"

IMHO, they've been set back at least 50 years. Probably more.

We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.


Submitted by briarhopper on May 8, 2008 - 1:16pm.

Everyone should listen to Washington Journal to hear the viewer/listener calls coming in. Tape it if you have to, because you'll hear what some of the general public really thinks. Some white callers brazenly admit they will never vote for a black for Prez, and some black callers complain about whites not being for BO, like it's somehow our duty to be so. The resentment, both ways, is at times palpable. Whites excoriate Rev. Wright, and blacks excuse him. More often than not, the appeals for BO are things like "it's our time" and "the Clintons had their chance"--ideas that are guaranteed to anger a lot of whites. And just wait till the word gets out that an army of O-bots is to be unleashed on society!

Submitted by cubbiebear on May 8, 2008 - 9:17am.

I say this with a heavy heart. I can't believe what this Dem party has become.

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Submitted by donjo on May 8, 2008 - 9:21am.

Michigan Democrats Plan for Delegate Seating
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050808L.shtml
Kathy Barks Hoffman, of The Associated Press:

"Michigan Democratic leaders on Wednesday settled on a plan to give presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton 69 delegates and Barack Obama 59 as a way to get the state's delegates seated at the national convention. Clinton won the Jan. 15 Michigan primary and was to get 73 pledged delegates under state party rules, while Obama was to get 55. The state also has 29 superdelegates."

We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.


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Submitted by Dormaphaea on May 8, 2008 - 9:24am.

Dems rolling over. Don't they get dizzy?

Everyone's all, "oh, we're just so tired of the fighting. Just give the toddler what he wants! Can't you hear him screaming?"

The only person I see who's not tired of fighting for what's right is Hillary Clinton. She's the one I want in the WH. She's SUPER DEMOCRAT!!! The rest of the party leadership? They're insufficient for the battles that lie ahead. Congressional Dems have pretty much proven to me that they're more than willing to capitulate in order to avoid confrontation. Seems to be leeching through the party. A party that's become more of a high school clique or frat house, rather than a pragmatic and serious bunch of honest ta god representatives of the people. Unless those people are wealthy or eggheads. Or wealthy eggheads.
Note to AA's. That's not your party either...unless you're also a wealthy egghead, who presumes to know what's 'best for everybody.'

I'm not electing mommy or daddy, thanks very much. I'm not voting for the most popular teacher. I'm voting for hard core executive leadership.

Silly me.


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Submitted by DeeP on May 8, 2008 - 11:41am.

I was over to TM site, and a BO memo was sent out to all O supporters, that they had to be nicer to HC supporter to bridge the anger. YIKES guess he is trying to build a bridge to NoWhere....As i left, a NEW BO poster came on with peace offering..I had to leave. OH and someone also said that, MAY 20th...after Kentucky and WV, BO is going to declare his winning of the primary. What an arrogant as*ho**... I am steaming..shower time...


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 11:47am.

but wanted to post this before leaving.

Anyone who paid attention the last few elections, or read ms in la's Who's Counting knows about election fraud. This comment at No Quarter points out the various tactics used by O!'s team in caucus and primary states. If Hillary's team was not or is not aware of the fact that yes, elections CAN be rigged, I just don't know what to say. But I find it entirely feasible, in fact, very likely that the **new** Chicago style politics that are entrenched in O!'s political career have played a part in the primaries.

Want more on how to rig an election?

Notice how Obama camp always pushes for early voting, that is an old Chicago trick to sway outcomes as needed by a precinct captain! Something along what was going on in Lake County!

Now some info for you, Indiana and most states use the Diebold Accu vote machine, as pointed out on the Indiana Sec of State website, so check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5VeaMZ9Fb0

Now how can you sway the paper ballots? watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKfP1ObSaU

Now go back to the leaked Obama spreadsheet forcast on the election outcomes, how can someone predict so far in advance all the outcomes that is almost right on the money? Only way, fix is in Chicago style!

Same happened with caucuses, stack them knowing you will have enough people to win, done easily!

All it takes is a Precinct captains with a rigged pass card to do what you saw above!

If the prediction isn’t coming out as planned state wide, the early votes swing it to the candidate and take Lake county, 10% in one city of early votes of an entire county, enough to swing things!

Take a look at the maps in each Primary state, who won the major areas and the rate of the wins are high enough to make the outcome close enough to win!

Missouri had a major blimp towards the end in non reporting areas, and it went to Obama, strange outcome, like Indiana, yet not caught, as an example, Ohio, two counties held back, Obama counties, same thing, Texas same thing, the hold back counties were always Obama counties!

Let’s not forget the multiple reports of how Michelle needed to be convinced that they’d win and her father was for years a Precinct Captain before his death, so she knows a thing or two!

Think the fix was in Chicago style?


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 11:55am.

...gaming the system.....see Alice Palmer

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


Submitted by ms in la on May 8, 2008 - 1:57pm.

I'm sure Brad and Bev are ALL over it!! :)

(humor)

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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 2:02pm.

Hope you're having a blast ms in la! And hope the election results thread wasn't too long for you to get through in your limited online time!

:D

Oh, yeah, and I'm SURE Brad and Bev are all over it! Yup. Oh, but wait. I thought there was only election fraud in states Hillary won!


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 12:00pm.

Would anyone who wants to preserve Clinton’s cleaner longterm energy planning from destruction under the magic “lets not look closely” contingent of our former party now laying waste our future - please call Rep Jerry McNerney today.

Please call SF Bay Area Superdelegate Jerry McNerney this moning!!!

Last night he was being accosted today by the thug army of kossarians unleashed by some diaryist there who is, like all of them over there, clueless about what his energy policy really is - they just read the pretty headlines, not the fine print.

Here’s the phone number:
925-833-0643

Ask why should a wind advocate like Jerry settle for someone who only offers a mere 5 year extension of the PTC? Hillary makes it permanent.

This is so crucial to enabling windfarms to start up in this country, so its crucial to solving the energy crisis (you can then develop a clean electric car industry to run on the windpower) and great climate change policy.

I believe McNerney is torn. He would obviously prefer Hillary on clean energy (he’s obviously read both the plans!) but the kossarians will be really hammering on him. Don’t let those ignorant mobs decide your future!

Here’s the phone number:
925-833-0643

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/48-2-legitimacy/#comments

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 12:18pm.

Whose shameless spinning is this? Scroll to next page for answer:

However, the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric for deciding the nominee – since each campaign based their strategy on the acquisition of delegates. More importantly, the rules of the nomination are predicated on delegates, not popular vote.

[…] Essentially, the popular vote is not much better as a metric than basing the nominee on which candidate raised more money, has more volunteers, contacted more voters, or is taller.

David Plouffe, Obama campaign manager, in a memo today to superdelegates.

Talk about moving the goalposts….

http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/07/14/34/hmm-64/

Posted in Politics As Usual

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 1:24pm.

IT'S THE DEMOCRACY STUPID

wtf- let this one sink in.

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

the popular vote is a deeply flawed and illegitimate metric 

I... I.... I.... I find it difficult to absorb this language coming from an official campain from a political party vying for the Presidency of the United States of America. 

Anyone help me out here?

The popular vote to be overturned, disregarded... the popular vote? That popular vote?

You mean teh democracy?  

 


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Submitted by Reg NYC on May 8, 2008 - 2:01pm.

Sounds more like a ... what's the word?

Oh yeah, Republic.


Bluemoon's picture
Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 2:10pm.

the -an, I believe. Republic-an. 

[irony alert]

" Goddamn America! " after all. Who knew.

Why do I want to shout, "Snakes Alive""

I don't even know what it means.

The problem is that circumventing the actual democratic process results in massive disasters. Literally, metaphorically, take your pick. A dirty process results in dirty politicians, inherently. And this lot seems to be going for broke.


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Submitted by Reg NYC on May 8, 2008 - 2:18pm.


Submitted by ms in la on May 8, 2008 - 1:55pm.

is deeply flawed.

Not the "popular vote"... which is ... um, the people's vote last I looked. Geez.

Looks good, costly, but full of air.

Soufflee.

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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 12:23pm.

 http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/4099/

http://www.womens-health.com/boards/teeth/4881-made-china.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=528615&in_page_id=1770

Cheap dental crowns from China may contain dangerous levels of LEAD
excerpt
 
8th March 2008

Dental experts say the crowns can contain dangerous levels of lead
Dentists who use cut-price and potentially deadly crowns and dentures from China are putting their patients at risk, it was claimed today.

The products are often made in unregulated laboratories and can contain dangerous levels of lead, dental experts warned.

In the U.S., four cases of lead poisoning have been linked to Chinese dental fixtures. A laboratory test revealed that some contained 210 times the acceptable amount of the toxic metal.

Richard Daniels, the chief executive of the Dental Laboratories Association, said the number of potentially dangerous imports was rising.

"At this point nobody knows what the health risks are," he said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


Submitted by briarhopper on May 8, 2008 - 1:39pm.

Do a lot of younger folk have made-in-China crowns? Makes more sense than Rev. Wright's allegations about HIV!

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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 1:58pm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


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Submitted by madspawn on May 8, 2008 - 2:38pm.

But that's not the only thing that disturbes me about this photo. Um... not only is the guy talking on the phone, sharing a seat w/his child, but where are their freaking bike helmets????

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you


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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 2:42pm.

lots of people/maybe went virual and the message likely delivered -  

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 12:43pm.

The Delegate Math

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:36:16 PM EST

It looks less definitive than I thought it would. Here is Chris Bowers' analysis:

[W]ith Florida seated as is, Clinton trails by 95 delegates when the Michigan Party's plan is enacted. Further, since Edwards has declined to make an endorsement, his 32 delegates are now effectively uncommitted superdelegates. So, this means that the best case-scenario for Clinton right now is that she trails by 95 delegates with 550.5 delegates remaining. So, even in Clitnon's best case scenario, Obama only needs 228 of the remaining 550.5 delegates, or 41.4%, to win the nomination.

Obama still needs 41.4% of the remaining delegates with this FL/MI plan? I thought the math was worse than that for Clinton.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/8/133616/9063

Keep fighting, Hillary. You can do this!

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


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Submitted by Arky Sue on May 8, 2008 - 5:12pm.

just where in the ROOLZ it says delegates can be assigned to a candidate that did not, I repeat,DID NOT, carry the threshhold of 15% of the vote. Uncommitted delegates are supposed to be sent to the Convention AS Uncommitted Delegates. I did read THAT in the rules.
I downloaded some pdf files from the DNC site, Delegate Selection Rules and Regulations of the Rules and Bylaws Committee.
BTW, the meeting of the RBC on May 30(?) is open to the public, per the roolz. Maybe some diligent Clinton supporters can show up. (you know the O!bots will be there).


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 12:48pm.

When Matt Taibbi’s bad, he’s bad. And when he’s good, he’s good:

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


Reg NYC's picture
Submitted by Reg NYC on May 8, 2008 - 12:52pm.

Only Republican US Congressman from NYC, Vito Fossella's DWI, affair and love child.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/8/103416/3505/886/511684


Submitted by geaux on May 8, 2008 - 12:55pm.

Anybody know the answer? Making a living is an alright answer if true. It is a bit remarkable that he has not been very visible in the last few weeks....

Reg NYC's picture
Submitted by Reg NYC on May 8, 2008 - 12:59pm.

He's away on business.


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 1:48pm.

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 1:07pm.

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/05/07/preposterous-gray-epa/

EXCERPT  

 

Yesterday, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) chaired a hearing of the Environment and Public Works oversight subcommittee investigating the politicization of science at the Environmental Protection Agency.

The administration witness was Dr. George Gray, Assistant Administrator for the Office of Research and Development at the EPA. At the hearing, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) described Gray's misuse of the English language as "Alice in Wonderland," telling Dr. Gray, "You have tried to defend the indefensible and you have failed." Sen. Whitehouse described the EPA's actions as "Orwellian" and concluded the hearing with the sarcastic salute:

I have to applaud Dr. Gray for his ability to say what I found to be preposterous things with a completely straight face throughout

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


Submitted by ms in la on May 8, 2008 - 1:50pm.

Pay no attention to those armed soldiers circling the boat in a small vessel... Seems like a fine place! Heh...

Wifi is costly and limited and news is hard to come by-- I was dying to read the papers after the election. The few we get on the ship (WSJ and USA Today) made it sound brutal and are claiming that everyone insists Hillary should drop out now and is broke, of course, etc etc. I don't know what to believe sans blogging... Haven't read anything here at CCN yet, just wanted to say "HI!" first and then go read quickly to catch up. A knot in stomach over the IN numbers though...and the NC spread. Yikes.

Otherwise this has been a fantastic trip!! All the food you can eat (and it's soooo good), all the drink you can drink, and no one has to drive home. :) Service is impeccable and we're having a ball. Nice little patio overlooking the ocean. Hot Hot Hot here!

Costa Rica was wildly beautiful-- with huge rolling verdant hills dotted with rainforest and jungle terrain. Beautiful.

Otherwise star gazing at night, and just chillin'...

Sorry for OT post. Miss you all! Miss blogging!

Now somebody please tell me I shouldn't be worried about ObamaNomi and the inevitable Pres McBush. Please... :/

Nervous in Chiapas.

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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 1:57pm.

away from the U.S., ms, you two might wanna try to keep going... 

:)  Sounds like W VA is the last stand- voting shenanigans in IN seems likely- the IL legislature literally took the day off to campaign for the O! - news is pretty bleak, the media assasination/manufacturing consent presses eagerly forward.

OTOH we may not have to pay to redecorate the White House.  

a lot of voter sentiment seems to indicate that things will be less than rosy if the 48 strategy annointment continues- see here

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election

Savor your trip- be grateful you are not here right now.  


Submitted by ms in la on May 8, 2008 - 2:05pm.

My heart dropped when I saw the headlines this morning. There are literally one two papers on board -- I mean two copies!!

I know it will be McCain if they put this guy up there. And he'll be out in the 3rd round. We'll have to watch the bloodletting... how did Dems become so dumb?

Election story in IN interests me but I have no time to dig into it. Would have to mortgage the house! :)

This is not good news but thanks for summarizing it for me. Not about to stay in Mexico, but could easily live on this ship for the next 8 yrs! Husband would have to do a lot of singing for our supper though.

Thanks Moon.

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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 2:16pm.

if your wifi is $$$, download this page- goldmine here.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15457 

:) h

 


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 2:23pm.

It was looking to be one of those nights where we went to bed thinking Hillary won, only to wake to the great flip! The fix was in! I'm telling you it was shades of 2004 all over again!!

From Talk Left:

Update: Obama has 65% of Lake County, Hillary 35%. John King says 17,000 vote difference statewide between them and Obama could win. 44% of Lake County is in, 95% of statewide vote.

Mayor of Hammond says every Mayor in Lake County except the Mayor of Gary endorsed Hillary.

Update: Wow. The Mayor of Hammond, also in Lake County, just said on Larry King Live that Hillary won Hammond by 600 votes and they turned the votes in at 6:30 and Lake County didn't release the votes. The votes they are releasing now are from Gary. They also failed to report the votes of four other cities in the county that she won. He says the mayors know the results and don't know why Lake County refused to release the vote count.

Update: First Lake County results in. 28% of the vote is in and Obama has 75% of it. They are only 20,000 votes apart and her lead is down to 51%.

***

This is just amazing. First, a Fox reporter got inside where the votes are being counted in Gary. She says they told her it's just a slow count of the 11,000 absentee ballots. She said they are using elderly volunteers to count so it's going slow.

Now, according to the Washington Post, here's Gary's Mayor, an Obama supporter:

Gary Mayor Rudy Clay said just now that it might take a while yet to finish counting the vote in Lake County, which includes Gary, and said tonight his city had turned out so overwhelmingly for Barack Obama that it might just be enough to close the gap with Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"Let me tell you, when all the votes are counted, when Gary comes in, I think you're looking at something for the world to see," Clay, an Obama supporter, said in a telephone interview from Obama's Gary headquarters. "I don't know what the numbers are yet, but Gary has absolutely produced in large numbers for Obama here."

Clay said the results were late coming in from Lake County because of the large numbers of absentee ballots that had to be counted -- about 11,000. Under local practice, all of the cartridges from voting machines in Gary and nearby East Chicago are first collected at the local airport before being driven to the county headquarters to be tallied with the results from the rest of the county, he said. He said there were no major technical problems holding up the count.

"It takes a little time. We want to be sure that every vote is counted fair and right," he said. "I just talked to the director out there and they are working like junkyard dogs to get that done as soon as possible. They are taking some time but I told them to do it right. That's what taking the time."

Why did they wait to start counting the absentee ballots?

Here's more:

In March, Clay predicted the race would come down to Gary, telling the Northwest Indiana and Illinois Times that tonight on CNN, "They are going to point at Indiana and say Hillary Clinton is leading by one point but Gary ain't come in yet."

Clay himself was deeply involved in get out the vote efforts this afternoon, going door to door to drum up anyone who hadn't yet voted, he said. A volunteer in the Obama office in Gary said that canvassers who went out today found that in some neighborhoods almost everyone reported having already cast an absentee ballot.


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 2:15pm.

...calls BS on the SCOTUS argument....

If Obama becomes the party nominee, as seems likely, those of us who are not Obama supporters will get an earful on why we have to vote for him in November. Some of these reasons will be fairly good ones. One of them, IMO, is not. That one is that of course we all have to support Obama, think of the Supreme Court. This one is often aimed at those of us who are women with the implied threat that if we don’t fall in line and be good girls, we’ll lose our rights under Roe v. Wade.

I call bullshit on this argument. I will not have my body held hostage by the Democratic - or any - political party.

McCain cannot stack the Supreme Court or any Court with wing-nut judges by himself. His nominees have to be confirmed by the Senate. A Senate that will almost certainly be controlled by Democrats, probably with an increased majority. Why should I have to worry about Roe v. Wade or any other core constitutional right? While the Democrats would inevitably have to compromise on some issues with a Republican president (just as Obama will have to compromise some to get legislation through the Senate given the unlikelihood of a filibuster-proof majority), surely a body that is controlled by the Democratic Party will fight for my right to control my body. And if they won’t, then why am I electing any of them to Congress?

So I don’t want to hear about the Supreme Court. There’s already a check on McCain’s power to stack it. And if the Democrats won’t use that power to protect a fundamental freedom of more than half of their base, then the answer is not to vote for Obama, it’s to find people who will.

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 2:32pm.

in the same way Repubs have used gay marriage and guns. Not gonna work this time.

I'm sure McCain has to talk tough on stacking the court with ultra conservatives to draw in the Repub base that isn't that in to him, that think he's not conservative enough. But as pointed out, he's not going to be able to do this all on his own.

I will work my a** off to increase Dem majority in Congress. For one to give Hillary the majority she'll need to get things done, and two because if O! is the nominee we are most assuredly going to see President John McCain sworn in next January. And yes, he and his supporters will blame it all on Hillary when he loses. Bet on it.


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 2:22pm.

 

 

 

While we all sleep - they delete abortion on Monday.  Thu May 08, 2008

Everyone has been so distracted by the election that no one has been paying attention to single issues -- and by this single issue I mean abortion and reproductive justice.

Well, while we were sleeping,  The Family Research Council plans to present Bush with a petition next Monday from 80 pro-life groups with the request he extend the global gag rule on abortion domestically via Executive Order.  The gag rule will be tied to Title X funds and will prohibit clinics that receive money to provide reproductive health care to the poor to even discuss abortion as an option with their patients, likely regardless of socioeconomic status.

Are you horribly awake now?  I wasn't sleeping but I wish I was dreaming.

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Recently, social conservatives have been attacking Planned Parenthood funding.  The loss of does not only affect PP, but it also substantially affects other health centers that provide services to the underserved and uninsured.Title X funding cannot be used for abortions.  To "move funding into abortions," as the conservatives say PP especially is wont to do, is illegal and fraudulent.  In short, this fraud is not something that health systems are interested in doing due to the penalities (and of course it is not the right or ethical thing to do).

All this attack does is remind us that our disgusting policy overseas -- to not provide any money for programs that include even discussion of abortions -- is coming home.  That means that your local health center will not be able to talk about the options with you if they receive Title X.  They can't even refer you out to a provider who does abortions.  It's like the option doesn't exist.  And that's exactly what these people want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


Submitted by ms in la on May 8, 2008 - 2:40pm.

I just copy pasted a few blogs to read offline (in Word) incl Jen's long election thread (thanx jen!!!) So I can catch up and save the minutes...

Thanks everybody and I really really really reallly realllllly don't want us to have an Obama nomination hence a McCain presidency. Getting quite scared here.

More iced coffee.

How can we stop this from happening?

Don't answer that- I'll be offline! :)

Till next time. Ahoy Mateys!!

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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 2:43pm.

http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/

http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/videos/overview/640x480/t1/nhmfl.html 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 2:45pm.

John Cusack, via Huffpo

THAT WAS FUN. Just got done spending $3 trillion. Try it yourself - it's a lot harder than you might think. Honestly, it would have been a whole lot easier just to follow the president's example and blow it all on one illegal occupation of Iraq.

$3 trillion is the projected cost of the Iraq War according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard lecturer Linda Bilmes. That's a whole lot of zeros, but what does it really amount to? How many homes would it buy for Americans who've fallen victim to the subprime meltdown? How many debts would it pay off for developing nations? For that matter, how many of those new Mac Air laptops would it buy me? As it turns out, one whole hell of a lot of all of those things combined.

Try it yourself: http://3trillion.org

What a colossal waste of money. What a tragedy of lost opportunities. Where is all this money going? KBR, Halliburton and the other war profiteers have made out like bandits in Iraq, while taxpayers and their own workers get screwed. KBR enjoys contracts worth $16 billion, and still avoids paying Medicare and Social Security taxes by hiring workers through shell companies in the Cayman Islands.

In the Bush Administration's defense, of course, they had no idea it would cost this much when they embarked on their insane crusade (in fact, they still don't) Along with cheering Iraqis, arsenals of WMDs, and leprechauns and unicorns, the White House expected to be presenting the American people with a much, much smaller bill for its services. Back in 2003, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld (remember him?) was fond of quoting the projected cost at $50 billion.

You may recall that about six years ago, Bush's own chief economic adviser, Lawrence Lindsey, was pushed out of the White House for suggesting that the war could cost up to a trifling $200 billion - still $2.8 trillion off the mark. "Baloney" was how Rumsfeld characterized Lindsey's estimate, before quoting the $50 billion figure.

With Rumsfeld gone, one would hope to see a little more honest accounting out of the Defense Department. So what does The Pentagon have to say about Stiglitz's sobering calculation? That number "seems way out of the ballpark to me," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell.

Could $3 trillion cover the cost of a worthwhile accountant at the DoD? Apparently that's the only thing it can't afford.

 

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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 2:51pm.

YouTube of Howard Wolfson on Morning Joe today.

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 2:55pm.

Obama Like Kerry In Terms Of Electability? And That's A Good Thing?

By Big Tent Democrat

So writes our friend SusanG (and TalkLeft does think of her as a friend) at the Great Orange Satan's place, citing Gallup:

Obama stacks up against McCain at this point is similar to the way in which Kerry performed against Bush in 2004 within several key racial, educational, religious, and gender subgroups. That is, the basic underlying structure of the general-election campaign this year does not appear to be markedly different from that of the 2004 election.

Assuming that is true, and I does have quibbles with that, it is important to remember John Kerry LOST to Bush in 2004. This is not exactly the electability argument I think I would want to make. More . . .


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 3:04pm.

plus- or rather- MINUS

Ohio

Pennsylvania

Michigan? Florida non-competitive- others. 

people unnerved by his national security stance (people went to Kerry for that)

people unnerved by his potluck of questionable social & bidness acquintences

people unnerved by sure, I'll have tea with Kim Jong il in the first year

women & others who fondly remember the peace & prosperity of the Clinton era

those who see through the fake race-baiting 

the large portion of the R crossover vote that wasn't sincere (there is some I believe was sincere) 

GOD this is so freaking obvious!

I hope they can run those voting machines the way they think they can.  

What are they intending here- adding Sebelius to make up for it? These people are nuts! z! NUTZ! 


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 3:01pm.

By Big Tent Democrat

This may come as a surprise to some people, but there will be an election in November. To read some blogs, you would think that Barack Obama's almost certain victory over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination means Obama advances straight to the White House. In case they did not know, it does not work that way.

One blogger says that it is silly to discuss Obama's failure to connect with white working class voters because:

Demographic and socio-economic differences between the two states,* plus the effects of Clinton’s ugly “kitchen sink” campaign, are not considered. [*For example, 31.7 percent of Virginians have college degrees, while 23.4 percent of North Carolinians have college degrees. Obama tends to do better among college-educated voters.]

I am curious if the blogger expects those voters without college degrees to suddenly get them by November and thus solve Obama's problem here. But I especially wonder if the blogger expects that Republicans will not campaign against Barack Obama. Or if they do, whether their campaign will be so much nicer than the Clinton campaign.

The reality based community? Not so much. Not anymore.


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 3:07pm.

Should Hillary drop out?

http://elections.foxnews.com/

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by madspawn on May 8, 2008 - 3:15pm.

Via HireHeels... LOL!

hillary’s path to victory - albeit “backwards and in high heels".

Start donning your chanel blinders and ipod earphones - there’s a tough road ahead, but there a path to victory on that road. Our gal knows it and you know it too. And don’t be fooled by “mob-boss” Dean and “party elder-wimp” McGovern - they’re both exorcizing their own demons from past, catastrophic failures and implosions. As they plant more land mines, expect things to get even more callous. And when that happens, just keep returning to hireheels for a nice spa pedicure!

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you


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Submitted by Reg NYC on May 8, 2008 - 3:21pm.

He just said his 'middle class tax cut' is for people making $75,000. Wolf asked him what he meant by middle class. He said people making less then $100,000.

That's not a middle class tax cut. That's an upper-middle class tax cut.


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Submitted by madspawn on May 8, 2008 - 3:24pm.

d.c. darling in dior...

on May 7th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

THIS STRAIGHT FROM OUR “D.C. DARLING in DIOR” who was with Hillary Clinton tonight at the fundraiser!!! :
“OK - she was OUTSTANDING as usual. We learned that she intends to let the people decide this race - so she is going on to the next six primaries - next stop: West Virginia (she already campaigned there today). You can hear in her speeches that she is now trying to make the case that she is the best candidate to beat McCain in November. She needs the superdelegates to think that too - or else it’s all over. I think she has a very decent chance - DESPITE THE PRESS. When I came home from the 1,400 person HRC rally, my fiance told me that he heard on the news that she was dropping out. I am ready to bash the tv set in, but that would only hurt us. I am so sick of the lies that the press spreads - drives me nuts.”

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you


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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 3:29pm.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117985296.html?categoryId=19&cs=1

EXCERPT

ROME — Al Gore launched an Italian outpost of Current TV in Rome on Thursday, marking the first localized non-English-language version of his expanding youth-oriented web that offers plenty of user-generated content.
“Voi siete la voce!,” said Gore in Italian. “You are the voice!” he repeated, reverting to English. “With Current you will find real freedom of information and opinion.”

The packed presser took place in Rome’s Richard Meier designed Ara Pacis museum, which houses a peace altar commissioned by Emperor Augustus, just as TV-tycoon-turned pol Silvio Berlusconi officially began his third term as premier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


Submitted by Kat on May 8, 2008 - 3:34pm.

Just a note to let you know John and I are going to be gone this weekend. Our son Clay is graduating cum laude -- Mom and Dad are smiling-- from Texas A&M University and receiving his commission in the Air Force on Saturday.

Kelly Flinn will be watching the blog while we're gone. She has admin rights and my cell phone number if something comes up she needs me for.

I don't think, though, that ANYTHING has ever happened that Kelly can't handle tout d'suite, so they say. If you need to reach her directly:

kellyflinn@securingamerica.com

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Submitted by mad4clark on May 8, 2008 - 3:39pm.

...and congrats to Clay.

Don't blame you for smiling.

;)

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


Submitted by Raleighite on May 8, 2008 - 3:42pm.

It's healthy to get away from politics from tie to time. It's good for the soul.
:~)

Submitted by Phyl on May 8, 2008 - 3:42pm.

Sounds like a great kid. Enjoy the weekend.

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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 8, 2008 - 4:35pm.

on so many levels. "Smiling" probably doesn't even come close! Beaming has got to be more like it. :) 

 


Submitted by kmissik on May 8, 2008 - 4:51pm.

You must be very happy and proud! Enjoy it!

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Submitted by kaflinn on May 8, 2008 - 4:53pm.

Have a great weekend, Happy Mothers's Day, and i promise not to blow up the blog while you're gone...however I do have glue, tweezers and a first aide kit standing by.

;-) Kelly

P.S. - thanks for the compliments, lol!

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by jen on May 8, 2008 - 5:53pm.

A girl can't live without duct tape! Oh and some old bicycle inner tubes. Those 2 things, and you can fix anything! :D

Congrats to your son, Kat! You and John must be very proud! Have a wonderful time!

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by Ben on May 8, 2008 - 8:34pm.

and John. A sharp salute to your son for choosing to serve.

Ben
USAF (Ret.)


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Submitted by CarolNYC on May 8, 2008 - 9:18pm.

How very proud you must be!!

"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark


Submitted by msgeaux on May 8, 2008 - 3:40pm.

Congratulations Clay!! Have a great future!

You two must be so VERY proud!! :)

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Submitted by early-bird on May 8, 2008 - 3:42pm.

 

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/05/the_year_of_hea_3.html

Excerpt

May 8, 2008

The "Year of Health Reform" in California: Take Two--Lessons for the Next Attempt
 
By State Senator Sheila Kuehl

It's been over a year since Governor Schwarzenegger decided to join the decades-long debate on health reform, and I'm actually quite pleased that he's indicated he will continue to focus on health reform in the years remaining in his administration. It may not have been clear to the Governor, but we always knew that the sheer magnitude of the needed reforms would take more than just one year to achieve. Any success to be gained on his "second try," however, will require a very different approach, both in terms of policy and in terms of politics.

Predictably, a number of interests in Sacramento have attempted to characterize the failure of the Governor's and the Speaker's bill as the victim of uncompromising single payer proponents on the left and powerful insurance companies on the right, as though the Governor's plan was "just right" in a three-bears, middle of two-extremes, spin. In fact, the Governor's plan appropriately fell because of the Governor's own reluctance to make the difficult policy decisions necessary for the plan to be in any way affordable to the state as well as to businesses and individuals, but which would have stirred up strong opposition from insurance companies.

Simply put, insurance companies will not support any plan that would prevent them from continuing to raise premiums 2-3 times faster than wages, limits that must be imposed in order for any long term financing to work. In the positive column, the Governor's plan included a number of reforms needed, if insurance companies were to be retained, that would have regulated (read wrestled) them into good behavior. It required insurers to accept all patients, to spend a minimum amount on actual care, and to refrain from singling out sick patients for unaffordably high premiums.

Unfortunately, it contained nothing that would have made premiums affordable for the vast majority of Californians, all of whom would have been required by the law to buy health insurance. The "subsidies" contained in the plan were only for very low income families (not a bad thing) and, except for those at the very poor end of the scale, would have partially subsidized premiums but left families to pay whatever co-pays and deductibles were set by the companies.

It's also worthwhile to refresh everyone’s memory that labor unions and health care advocates who ostensibly "supported" the Governor's compromise plan did not register a support position with the Senate Health Committee, but rather indicated they supported the bill only if it were amended. The requested amendments, which were lengthy and substantive, were rejected by the Governor and the vaunted "support" was actually no support at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"How long would we have to hold Iraq before we could flip it for profit" Jon Stewart asked Sen. Harry Reid.


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Submitted by buckeye on May 8, 2008 - 4:00pm.

Most (374,221) of Obama's popular vote lead comes from one of the red states (GA) he will put into play in November:

 

Election 2008: Georgia Presidential Election Georgia: McCain 53% Obama 39% Thursday, May 08, 2008

 


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