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Yeah, that title is not an oxymoron, there are still some adults left on the net.

I have to cut the grass and do other gardening chores today but wanted to draw attention to this terrific diary by Jerome Armstrong.

He's answering the new Obama Haka that KY and WV should be ignored....

Deal with defeat

by Jerome Armstrong, Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:05:25 AM EST

I'd humbly suggest, to all the Obama supporters that join us here on this blog, that if you can't stand the heat of the West Virginia primary, you stay out of the kitchen. While I'm at it, I also suggest that you refrain from accusations against West Virginians as being racist, or you'll join the other 6 previous users here, whose offensive comments were deleted on Friday, and that were themselves banned from the site. This is a political junkie website, we thrive on primary and election coverage. When Obama blew out Clinton in Wyoming, it was blogged excessively here, both in the run-up and the day of the event coverage, and it'll be the same way with West Virginia. You don't like that? Fine, its a big wide blogosphere, go find a blog that has its head in the sand. Are the ground rules understood?

In WV, Clinton is blowing Obama away in numbers that she has not been seen since Super Tuesday. And while Obama supporters have claimed that the her voters will move over to support Obama in the GE, this poll doesn't quite show that happening in WV:

The MBE poll also looks ahead to the fall election against the presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain. Of the Democrats and independent voters surveyed, Clinton shows up better against McCain in West Virginia. 62% of Democrats and independents indicated they would vote for Clinton over 24% for McCain. In a head to head matchup between Obama and McCain in WV, Obama received 37% support compared to McCain's 35%.

And that's not even including the Republicans. If I could submit a question to Ted Kennedy, it'd be: "Why can't Barack Obama connect with the voters of West Virginia like JFK did?"

Seriously, why not? And as you can see from the poll numbers above, it has nothing to do with the adoration of Clinton that would turn over to Obama were he the nominee. And think about it, if your knee-jerk answer is that they are racist-- are you really saying something that you think Obama and his campaign can't say, or are you saying it because of anger and frustration? Racism is ignorance, but unfounded accusations of racism are just as low on the scum-radar.

Obama will be making his only visit in the week leading up to the primary, on Monday. Clinton's been there all week-- she's trying to run up the score.

The following week, Barack Obama has planned a party to claim the nomination in Portland, based on his own campaigns measurement. He can say whatever he wants, but it's an insult to intelligence to believe it until it happens by the rules. As Howard Dean has said many times, MI and FL are going to be resolved and seated. Obama has now agreed with that position. Like it or not, the working number of delegates is 2209. There's not a rule that says if you get a plurality of the pledged delegates, you win.

The Obama campaign will declare that there's never been a candidate denied the election who had the most pledged delegates. True. But has there been a candidate denied the nomination whose had the most votes? I don't think so. But neither of those metrics matters. 2209, or whatever the number is after the resolution of MI and FL happens to be, is all that matters. Until then, we don't have a nominee.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/10/2525/43509

Jerome at MyDD (Hillary supporter) and Jeralyn (Hillary supporter) and BTD (tepid Obama supporter) at Talk Left have been oases of reason amongst the desert that has become 90% of the blogosphere. Even Digby's Hullaballoo has been taken over by OFBs, tistero and dday who wrote gleefully the other day about "The Obama Party". Give me a break!

It may not seem like it but there are still a few Hillary friendly blogs out there.

Some of them are...

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/

http://www.correntewire.com/

http://susiemadrak.com/

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

http://tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/

http://hillary1000.wordpress.com/

http://hillarysbloggers.soapblox.net/frontPage.do

http://www.hillbuzz.blogspot.com/

http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/

http://theleftcoaster.com/

http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/

http://lancemannion.typepad.com/lance_mannion/

And for the last word in the horror we call the Main Stream Media, you have to read http://www.dailyhowler.com/

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Submitted by Reg NYC on May 10, 2008 - 1:41pm.

The thing about that accusation is that if Obama supporters believe that the country is that racist, then they must also believe that Obama can't win the election in November. They can sit there through 4 or 8 years of McCain and say they were right, they came down on the right side of history even if they lost.

Rich progressives are going to be fine no matter who's President. They're rich. The problem is that they're giving false hope to the African American community. When John McCain invades Iran, who do they think he's going to send? It's not going to be rich progressives.

The powerful have always used race to divide the working class. If black and white workers are busy fighting with each other, they can't get together to go after the powerful. No matter which of them wins that fight, they both lose.


Submitted by cubbiebear on May 10, 2008 - 1:52pm.

:)

Submitted by briarhopper on May 10, 2008 - 5:07pm.

but not moreso in WV than anywhere else. I'm a West Virginian born and bred, and I wouldn't sugarcoat the truth. One of the problems with Obama, though, is the racism exhibited by his pastor and wife and the racial polarization that has occurred with his 90% black support. Donna Brazile has stated that the new BO coalition doesn't need white working class people. How can these folk, West Virginians, Kentuckians, or whoever, not feel shunted aside and treated as "typical white [people]"? Many, many hillbillies are Reagan Dems and would not vote for a white man who looks elitist and eggheady and has a "friendly relationship" with an unrepentent terrorist who proudly stomps on the flag.

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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 10, 2008 - 2:39pm.

The One America again? I thought we weren't blue states or red states. 

He's making a single campaign appearance there? Erm, where'd his crossover appeal go?

The Emperor to Be Has No Clothes  

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Submitted by Tega on May 11, 2008 - 12:02am.

It's what Obama and his team have been using against Hillary since before the SC vote. One America - hell, Obama causes division in the Democratic Party, never mind America.

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