Forward, Spartans! Behold! The Gates Of Troy And Our Champion! Achilles!
Submitted by DonL on May 11, 2008 - 6:10pm.
Democratic politics
"May 11, 2008
Lessons Learned
Upside of Being Knocked Around
By MARK LEIBOVICH
WASHINGTON — So, now that it might finally be over (or maybe close to it, possibly, perhaps), does Senator Barack Obama come out a bloody mess, or a battle-tested warrior?
In recent weeks, a wiseguy consensus seems to have settled on the former: the idea that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has so weakened Mr. Obama in the race for the Democratic nomination — so diminished him, distracted him, exhausted him — that he could be a grievously damaged nominee.
The wiseguys invoke the Republican race of 1976 and Democratic contest of 1980 as examples of what happens when candidates — Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter, respectively — get battered in primaries, emerging damaged in the summer and losers in the fall. They mention surveys showing almost 50 percent of Clinton supporters in Indiana telling exit pollsters that they would sooner vote for Senator John McCain or stay home than vote for Mr. Obama. They suggest that by staying in the race, Mrs. Clinton is playing a spoiler’s role.
But there is a competing view that says that Mrs. Clinton, rather than being a spoiler, has in fact been an unwitting mentor to Mr. Obama, a teaching adversary who made him better. Could competing against Mrs. Clinton have improved Mr. Obama as a candidate in the same way that competing against Larry Bird and Magic Johnson in the 1980s made Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan champions in the 1990s?"
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/weekinreview/11leib.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
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Lol. This is gonna be fun. I may have to go buy a blue Union forage cap to wear to parties.
Thanks for reading,
Donald C. Lindsay
Guess Who, 08
Darn it, where is gandalf when you need him?!
I guess the ole troll spray will have to do instead..
like this that most people here who agree with Gen. Clark and who support Hillary would disagree with and that turns off so many of us here?
Are you just trying to be an annoyance to us and antagonize us on purpose? Have you ever wondered why your posts are never recommended? Have you also wondered why there are very few comments on your posts and when there are comments they are mostly negative?
I would not go on a pro-Obama blog and post what I do here because I know that it would not be welcome and that most people would just ignore what I was saying. Why would I waste my time trying to do that when I would just be upsetting people who would not probably not even be listening to me anyway? Have you ever thought through any of these questions yet?
Here is a sound refutation to your pro-Obama claims that you will not hear in the pro-Obama media:
Obama is probably unelectable unless he gets some kind of a very huge lucky break that happens in his favor because the GOP attack machine will eat him up alive which the evidence very clearly shows:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15450
Obama said at a campaign event: "Don‘t buy into this electability argument..."
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 6, 2008 - 5:33pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15439
Obama showed on Meet The Press he does NOT understand the GOP attack machine!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 5, 2008 - 1:54pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15387
Obama's own speech shows he has no concept about how to fight back IF nominated!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 28, 2008 - 5:16am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15161
Mark Halperin explains what Obama does NOT understand about being swiftboated!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 31, 2008 - 11:59pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14337
Obama showed in the Jan. 5 debate that he does NOT understand enemy attacks!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 7, 2008 - 4:32am.
What can we do to credibly help Obama when McCain and the GOP attack machine go after him for his lack of foreign policy experience, when they attack his plan to remove all combat troops from Iraq within 16 months regardless of the circumstances on the ground with his focusing on troop levels and timetables which Gen. Clark along with Michael Ware think is wrong, and when they ask legitimate questions like how he could sit in front of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years and not know where he was coming from?
There is no way I see how we can credibly defend Obama when I actually agree with much of what the GOP will run against him on:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14885
How can Obama be credibly defended from GOP rapid response when they are right?
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 1, 2008 - 3:28pm.
Just because John McCain is wrong, that does NOT automatically make Obama right. It is very possible for BOTH McCain and Obama to be wrong on foreign policy as I have credibly documented:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15196
Michael Ware called Obama's 16 month troop withdrawal plan from Iraq "ludicrous"
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 5, 2008 - 7:16am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15231
Michael Ware called Obama's exchange with Petraeus "frighteningly disappointing"
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 9, 2008 - 12:56pm.
Obama will not even listen to his own adviser's sound advice:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15196#comment-295286
Despite his adviser telling him different, Obama is "not backing away from his 16 month pledge:"
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 5, 2008 - 7:32am.
Hopefully the superdelegates will understand this and will see BEFORE they cast their final votes that there is nothing that can be done to credibly defend an unelectable candidate in Obama who will be mostly running on giving "Yes we can" speeches and saying where Bush and McCain are wrong BUT without giving the voters in middle America (the key people who decide close elections) good reasons about why he is right!
This is one of the two reasons why IF Obama is the nominee, then I will definitely NOT lift a finger to help him. I will focus my time on helping WesPAC, local WesPAC endorsed candidates, and people and organizations who I like such as Jon Soltz and VoteVets.org:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15112
Two reasons why I will NOT lift a finger to help Obama IF he is the nominee!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 26, 2008 - 6:00am.
I think that you will find that there is a lot of truth to these MANY polls about how many of Hillary's supporters will NOT support Obama IF he is the nominee and that the Democratic pundits, the DNC officials, and the Democratic members of Congress who go on TV to say how easy that Democratic unity under Obama will be are just saying what they know they have to say in order to be politically correct at the moment:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15327
POLLS: Democratic unity will be very hard to achieve after this primary is over!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 20, 2008 - 11:59pm.
Let's get real. How can people like James Carville for Hillary, Jamal Simmons for Obama, Howard Dean of the DNC, Sen. Chris Dodd for Obama, and Sen. Evan Bayh for Hillary go on national television and admit to the truth of how hard that Democratic unity will be regardless of who wins the nomination?
Hopefully Obama will NOT be the nominee so that Democrats will have the best possible chances of winning. It is NOT enough for Obama just to be giving highly charismatic "Yes we can" speeches, saying that Bush and McCain are wrong, and saying that McCain is a third Bush term when running as a general election candidate. Unlike in a Democratic primary, Obama has to show a lot of people IN MIDDLE AMERICA specifically why he is right and he has definitely NOT done that yet while Hillary has in my opinion!