...the white horse......though it really should be a unicorn

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK

realized I must have been looking at that faint wisp of mist or whatever it's supposed to be wafting from the animal's head! Of course, the treatment of the painting could subliminally lead one to think she was seeing a mythical beast!
But, what's that clutched in his hand with the letter "B" on it? If looks like a belt buckle. Hmmm...open shirt, belt off and in his hand...well, maybe it's a candy bar!! A Barack Bar! Kool-Aid flavored?

he's supposed to be walking ON the water.

This picture has GOT to be plastered all over the internet - especially those infested with Obots. It says it all. I think you can just right click on it and transfer it most anywhere.

We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.

My eyes, my eyes! Oh my god, they're melting.

Does O! have an ab lounger or something?

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you

It's one thing to fight. It's another thing to whine like a puppy and flail your hands around in a weak slapping motion. As the author of the thread has said...the vitriol, the insults, the whining by you people is just shameful. There is blatant, and subtle racism in alot of the tones here. There is that elitism tinge that some believe Obama is guilty of, then there is anti-elitism bias. You people are all over the map here. I believe it all has something to do with the fact that I'm sure there are those here who support HRC because the General does, but down deep, really are uncomfortable with it...and the toxic guilt just bubbles to the top in some of the ridiculous statements I've read here.

Anyone who was on these threads last year and has come back to take a look after awhile would hardly recognize it.

I said it...the author of this post has said it and I'm sure alot of people are thinking it.

Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, the third times gonna be a trend.

(Duck...another drive by...those AA's and eggheads must really be gettin' desperate.)

and sprinkle your baseless, shameless accusations of racism on Wes Clark's blog.

I know of NO racists blogging at this site, and I have been here for many years paying close attention - am quite familiar with the gang by now.

Is there no other way for you to express your uniquely faceted "inspiration" and desire for "unity" and "hope" other than to randomly cry 'Racist' at each and every port where you find someone who might not be eager to jump on the Obama bandwagon?

Please show a modicum of respect for Wes and his bloggers who try to follow his lead the best we can. We are not racists anymore than we are puppies with flailing flapping arms. We are people who care about our country ardently, like I presume you do. We simply don't feel that your guy is the best person to lead this nation out of the current crisis it's in - at this critical time in history.

Like Wes Clark, Ambassador Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, Larry Johnson, Robert Kennedy Jr, Paul Krugman, Maj General Paul Eaton, and hundreds of other respected individuals whose opinions many of us heed and consider carefully. We fear he can't cut the ropes against McCain and most of us worry he would be a foreign policy nightmare.

Is that not permissible? Or is that too racist? Subtle or blatant.

You must feel some twisted need to prance into this community and dictate decorum for it. Or judge it from your imagined stance of moral authority... Can't you see the alienation you create by doing so?

My advice- Give up that sickly witch-hunting attachment to "racism"-- it's unbecoming and so 1960's. I thought you guys were all about change and a spanking new freshiness kind of politics... Calling anyone who finds flaws in your candidate a racist is as stale as old bread. Even worse than the (ick) 1990's.

We have not journeyed to some Obama site to disturb your peace, castigate you, or ruffle your feathers. We are at home with Wes Clark, his endorsed candidate, his platforms, his judgment. He is as pained as we are about the rifts created by former Clarkies who flit in and out intent on incurring disruption and discord. He reads his blog. I don't know why so many people can't seem to get that through their heads but yes, he read this blog.

So please, I implore you, to consider Wes and those who've answered his call to help him in his fight -- before you punch 'Post Comment' the next time. As another Dem voter who's interested in unity... it's a simple request.

I hate to break it to supporters of both candidates - but not every disagreement or dislike of Obama is racist, anymore than every disagreement or dislike of Clinton is sexist. Get over it already!

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I have no idea when racism and sexism will end - if ever. But, I do know that when people involved in a discussion can say the words "black", "white", "woman", "man", (and any other racially descriptive term you want to add), and there's no reaction...by anyone...then we'll know we're at least on the right track.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers

Well said - always impressed with your insight and wit!

Hope you're with us 'next' Tuesday -we're going to need both. I'm sure I speak for others when I say that we felt the void during the NC & IN primaries, which was a long, painful evening.

Yeah...no snacks, no drinks...

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

We're on the cheap this week with snack items.... :)

I guess it's back to BYO

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

If we're all over the map - and we doubtless are - it may be because there's quite a wide cross-section of people here who feel they've been insulted by the very campaign of the man who says he wants to represent them (democrats).

It's possible the campaign has not done that, and it's really only a few over-zealous bloggers and media talking heads with diahrea of the mouth & keyboard. But it seems to be somewhat contagious.

And - I won't for a moment say there aren't a number of people here who have vented their anger and frustration at the way they feel treated by people they have run into supporting Obama's campaign; people at rallies, events, polls, campaign offices, canvassers, phone-callers, mailers, emailers, and especially bloggers. They have. We have.

It might just be possible that some of the anger, vitriol, and insults you and others have witnessed, is as a result of the above. Not all of it, granted - but a majority of it to be sure.

There isn't a blogger here who has any problem with anyone's right to discuss and debate the strengths and weaknesses of their candidates' policies. In the early months, after Wes endorsed Clinton, it was actually expected and enjoyable. But by Super Tuesday, at least, it was pretty evident most people on this blog had made their choices.

Those who chose Clinton got to work using this blog to support her efforts - specifically as Wes' supporters, supporting his candidate. No one got on here and said, "I'm sorry, but all you Obama supporters will have to leave now. You're not welcome here anymore." Nor would they if they wanted to remain members in good standing. We just went to work supporting her; posting her policy points and discussing them, posting articles, discussing what we liked or didn't like about her policies and potential problems from the past, as well as disecting the opposition...in other words, all the normal things we volunteers do when organizing online. Did we get a little raucous at times, were there some jokes made? Sure - but never racist ones. If anything, the cracks had a psuedo religious sarcasm to them - in line with what many feel is an image, or larger persona, being created of Obama.

What has caused so much irritation is the needless baiting by some of those who decided to support Obama. And it's palpable. Most of us ignored it at first - except when it was directed at Wes.

But the bizarre need for a few people to repeatedly drop by here and post negative opinion comments about both Clintons, posts telling us how wonderful Obama is and how he's going to change Washington for all of us, and we'll all have 'a seat at the table' (Good God how I have come to detest that phrase almost as much as the 70's EST mantra 'can we share'!), and he's the best candidate because he gives people hope - all of which are fine as far as they go - but who are unwilling to explain how all this will be achieved when asked, is not only weird, but incredibly rude.

When have you seen several of us, or any of us, going to the Obama sites posting such things? Hmm? We haven't. We're busy working. Most of us no longer even blog on Dailykos. We're not spending hours of our time in a place which has obviously decided to support Obama, trying to goad the Obama supporters into a food fight. But we have asked those supporters who seem to like that sort of thing, to not do it here.

We asked nicely the first several times. We also tried ignoring these posters, but that just seemed to be taken as tacit approval for them to continue posting rude remarks, gloating and gratuitous comments after elections, bullshit spin so transparent a 5-year-old could out think it, and incredulty that we just can't seem to 'get it' that Obama is the one, the future, and will save us all from the big bad Republicans...with all that hope and change he talks about, but we idiots can't seem to discern how he's going to accomplish.

Some of us are getting a tad tired of asking nicely - especially when it seems to repeatedly fall on deaf ears. Some of us are biting our tongues so hard we're in danger of going mute, solely because we respect and care about Wes too much to risk our remarks coming back to bite him in the ass.

So please - before you castigate us about the hostility of some of the posts, however understandable the observation may be from the outside looking in - get in here and participate every day, every week, for a few months and see how it easily you can hold your tongue all the time.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers

I can't believe it! Wow! Just wow!! How long have we been trying to pry eyes open? How long? And he's just now noticing? But... he's noticing!!! Man oh man. I guess I should be happy, but WTF took so long?

And I bet my bottom dollar it won't change his support of O! which is fine, but at least he's recognizing a little bit how friggin' creepy this whole "movement" is!

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

You mean like the "candidate based movement" that we all took part in a few years back?
C'mon now !?!

not at all thrilled with having to endorse Kerry; I suspect he will be even less thrilled with this guy - at least Kerry had some semblance of honesty.

We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.

Wes will support the Dem nominee, no matter who, because he
knows this country will most likely not survive another 4 years of a Repub WH.

My hope is that if O! is the nominee, Clark comes out and encourages everyone to support him as much as we can, then puts his focus on Congressional races. If he does that I will try to hang here, and fight for a larger Dem majority in Congress. But if the O! ex-Clarkies (those who dis Wes on other blogs, to me, are ex-Clarkies) return I'm not sure I'll be able to take their gloating and rubbing our noses in our loss, after we've seen what some of them have said about Wes at the big orange place. We'll see I guess.

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

Wes will support the Democratic nominee, even
if it is Barack Obama. We all agree on that.
However, I believe it will cost him a lot
personally. Why? Because Barack Obama leaves
the Democratic Party open to the very charges
WesPAC was created to avoid:
"Through WesPAC, General Clark will put his 34
years of military and diplomatic experience to
work to ensure that Democrats will never again
be viewed as “weak on defense” or “weak on
national security” or somehow “lacking in
patriotism.”" (from the Mission Statement of
WesPac.)

And besides that aspect, there is the "dirt" the Repubs will be slinging -- some of it bound to be lies, some of it bound to be truth. I just worry that anyone too closely aligned with him is going to be splattered with the residual slime, not to mention those people will be shown to have the same poor judgment as O! because they trusted and supported someone for the presidency who has such sketchy associations as O! has over his political career.

Obviously, this is just my opinion, but I honestly believe part of why Clark came out so early and so strongly for Clinton -- besides his stated reasons -- is because he knows O! is not fit for the job.

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

It's funny...when Wes came out in support of HRC, the whole concept of doing "what we think best" was ridiculed if we decided not to support his position. Again, it don't think it's something he would have wanted or expected, but it was done just the same. It's funny how what goes around comes around. Now it's a great philosophy...then...and now to an extent, it's almost blasphemous.