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Submitted by Kathy B. on May 13, 2008 - 5:11pm.

Will we choose to emphasize boastful rhetoric or constructive engagement abroad? Will we lash out in anger with military force, or will we pursue every reasonable avenue to avoid the terrible destruction of war? Will we “fight fire with fire,” relying on the means and techniques of our adversaries, or live and lead by the higher standard of the values we have professed? At home, will we persist in shortsighted partisanship, or will we follow a stronger vision to the deep reforms needed to secure our future? Will it be selfishness or shared sacrifice that is our rallying cry?
These are the choices before us.
--- General Wesley K. Clark Addresses New America Foundation Audience (1/30/06) on Capitol Hill: "The Real State of the Union 2006"

Submitted by Phyl on May 13, 2008 - 5:37pm.

"Almost Heaven" for discussing West Virginia
Primary results
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Submitted by pinb on May 13, 2008 - 5:40pm.

Super delegates are left undeclared and who are they? Is there any way to get that information or are they anonymous until they make their endorsements? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on this.

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Submitted by mad4clark on May 13, 2008 - 5:45pm.

...they can change their minds all the way up until the Convention

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


Submitted by ms in la on May 13, 2008 - 5:55pm.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/rasmussen_reports_to_stop_tracking_democratic_race

I've been away so not sure if anyone saw this yet?

Geez. I know they are very "rightist" leaning so this would fit the set up, but.... kind of strange.

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Submitted by mad4clark on May 13, 2008 - 6:06pm.

...No doubt that the Righties want an O nominee.

"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK


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Submitted by LJM on May 13, 2008 - 7:21pm.

You didn't miss much while you were gone. Hillary winning WV is similar to when she won in NH. A big yawn from the same group.


Submitted by dw on May 13, 2008 - 6:02pm.

is up! "Curtain Time Part II will show that Obama was the inside guy in the Illinois senate as far as setting up the Health Facilities Planning Board to extort contributions from companies in exchange for the approval of applications to build medial facilities."

Worthy read. Don't miss both parts! (Pt. I link 2 threads back)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_evelyn_p_080513_curtain_time_for_bar.htm

Submitted by ms in la on May 13, 2008 - 8:04pm.

This from Business Week a few months ago-- where they call him the Master of Astroturfing...:

--On the down low, Axelrod moonlights in the private sector.

From the same River North address, Axelrod operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be top secret, from its client roster and revenue to even the number of its employees. But customers and public records confirm that it has quarterbacked campaigns for the Chicago Children's Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T.

ASK's predilection for operating in the shadows shows up in its work. On behalf of ComEd and Comcast, the firm helped set up front organizations that were listed as sponsors of public-issue ads. Industry insiders call such practices "Astroturfing," a reference to manufacturing grassroots support.

(Gasp!Say it aint so David!)

Alderman Brendan Reilly of the 42nd Ward describes ASK as "the gold standard in Astroturf organizing. This is an emerging industry, and ASK has made a name for itself in shaping public opinion and manufacturing public support."

Eric Sedler, 39, a former public relations director at AT&T and corporate-reputation specialist at PR giant Edelman, is the "S" in ASK and the company's managing partner. The "K" is John Kupper, 51, a former congressional press secretary and ad-industry consultant, while the "A," of course, is Axelrod.

ASK's relationship with ComEd goes back: The Chicago-based utility says ASK has been an adviser since at least 2002. ASK's workload picked up in 2005, as the Exelon subsidiary was nearing the end of a 10-year rate freeze and preparing to ask state regulators for higher electricity prices. Based on ASK's advice, ComEd formed Consumers Organized for Reliable Electricity (CORE) to win support.

Axelrod's public and private efforts bump into each other at ComEd, too. Illinois employees of the utility and its parent, Exelon, have contributed $181,711 to Obama's presidential bid—more than workers at any other company in the state.

Illinois does not require public-affairs firms to register as lobbyists unless they seek to influence officeholders directly. But New York does. In New York City, Cablevision, owner of Madison Square Garden, hired ASK to stop the New York Jets from building a stadium nearby in Manhattan. In its ads and materials, the opposition called itself the New York Association for Better Choices. Records show ASK was paid $1.2 million by Cablevision from 2004 to 2005. LegislativeGazette.com, an online weekly covering New York government, described ASK's payday as "the biggest lobbying contract of the year."

Among ASK's other clients: AT&T. The telecom company, formerly known as SBC Communications, had been a customer, Sedler confirms, when it requested ASK's help to defeat a broadband referendum in three Fox Valley suburbs in 2004. ASK received $22,500 for its voter-persuasion drive.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm

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Submitted by LJM on May 13, 2008 - 8:20pm.

He makes products look sexy. He seems to be good at it, but the guy still creeps me out.


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Submitted by LJM on May 13, 2008 - 8:18pm.

for pointing out the weirdness in how the CPI is figured and that the misery index is actually much higher. BTW, I have his latest book and will get to it after the two I am reading now.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/13/news/economy/misery/index.htm?postversion=2008051317


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Submitted by Arky Sue on May 13, 2008 - 8:41pm.

Didn't the Bush Administration change the way the Unemployment Rate was calculated?


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Submitted by LJM on May 14, 2008 - 10:47am.

were changed since Reagan was president. No doubt the Bush administration has worked to make the numbers look better anyway they could think to do it.


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Submitted by Bluemoon on May 13, 2008 - 8:44pm.

Obama sports flag pin again after long absence

CAPE GIRARDEAU, Mo. - Like the American flag that Francis Scott Key famously wrote about, the one on Barack Obama's lapel keeps appearing and disappearing.

The Democratic presidential hopeful said he generally stopped wearing a flag pin after the 2001 terrorist attacks because he felt it replaced "true patriotism" for some public officials.

Some Americans, however, say they question the patriotism of a candidate who makes such a choice, a sentiment that shows up in polls.

Last month, the pin briefly reappeared on his suit jacket. Obama said a veteran had given it to him that day and asked him to wear it.

It wasn't seen again until Monday, when Obama spoke to a veterans' group in West Virginia. On Tuesday, when he spoke about the economy to workers in Missouri, it was there again.

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Flip, or flop?  


Submitted by briarhopper on May 13, 2008 - 9:30pm.

He's an outrageous phony, and it's all being recorded for the world to examine. It continues to baffle me how superdelegates can continue to endorse him. Some have suggested payoffs and promises of positions. It's hard to dismiss such allegations when the nomination of this man makes no sense! If someone from outer space listened to the CSPAN callers following Hillary's speech, the alien would think BO was the emperor and Hillary the leader of rebel forces representing the common people. One black female Hillary supporter said Hillary should take this to the convention, and if gets ugly, it gets ugly! Right on, girl! It's interesting to me how defensive and abrasive the BOers continue to be--with their guy supposedly the sure winner! They can't even graciously concede that Hillary won WV. They must be scared to death some new scandal is about to break wide open!

Submitted by Jack Ryan on May 13, 2008 - 10:46pm.

Is'nt that a federal crime?

Submitted by Jack Ryan on May 13, 2008 - 10:43pm.

Disclaimer, this is a joke.

Sen. Barack Obama announced a new plan to turn around his dismal numbers among white, working real Americans.

"My plan to win in November in November is to bring my campaign warchest to bear." Reporters pressed Sen. Obama on how he would use his fundraising prowess to overpower Sen. John McCain. "the answer is simple really, I do well among the "latte classes", so in association with Starbucks Corp we will be providing free lattes at the polls." The Senator added "we will be paying to open new Starbucks stores in key battle ground states following the convention in Denver."

Starbucks did not return calls but did release a statement saying that: "We looked forward to opening new stores in West Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee and we very much look forward a long and profitable relationship with Sen. Obama's campaign to bring lattes to all Americans."

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Submitted by jen on May 13, 2008 - 10:46pm.

By Jeralyn

MSNBC just did an electoral vote segment. They made some critical errors.

They assumed Obama would take PA because John Kerry did. Barack Obama did poorly in PA, like he did in Ohio, with rural and blue collar voters. It's more likely in my view that the Democrats will lose Ohio and PA if Obama is the nominee. Hillary has a better chance of keeping PA and winning back Ohio.

They gave no thought to Florida going Democratic in November. They assumed it will go to McCain. Hillary puts Florida in play.

Their silliest comments were that Obama could make the southern states competitive because of the large African-American turnout. Not that he would win them, just make them competitive and make Republicans nervous. But when you're talking about the electoral map, coming close doesn't count. If the Democratic nominee doesn't win the popular vote in those states, the Republican candidate gets the electoral vote.

More...


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


Submitted by Kathy B. on May 13, 2008 - 10:57pm.

If the Democratic nominee doesn't win the popular vote in those states, the Republican candidate gets the electoral vote.

American Civics 101. It's really hard to fathom what O's people are thinking (using the term loosely).

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Submitted by early-bird on May 13, 2008 - 11:12pm.

 

Hillary tonight underperformed Obama's best TEN Victories

 

What does tonight's final tally look like?  After reviewing the 2nd Exit Update, Tonight is going to be

65% Clinton
32% Obama

Per the Incredible Poblano

<!-- polls come after this -->

Obama built his 179 Delegate lead on much larger victories than Hillary's 33% Victory Tonight in West Virginia, Home to 5 Electoral Votes... Let's Recap the Scoreboard.

Idaho  4 Electoral Votes
Obama 79%
Clinton 17%
 Obama +62%

Hawaii 4 Electoral Votes
Obama 76%
Clinton 24%
 Obama +52%

Alaska  3 Electoral Votes
Obama 75%
Clinton 25%
 Obama +50%

Washington 11 Electoral Votes
Obama 68%
Clinton 31%
Obama +37%

Georgia 15 Electoral Votes (Competitive with Bob Barr)
Obama 67%
Clinton 31%
 Obama +36%

Colorado 9 Electoral Votes
Obama 67%
Clinton 32%
 Obama +35%

Minnesota 10 Electoral Votes
Obama 66%
Clinton 32%
 Obama +34%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get over it. It's so old by now. - Justice Antonin Scalia


Submitted by ms in la on May 14, 2008 - 1:47am.

has well earned the name it would appear. There is little credibility in much of what is posted here.

Firstly, with 99% of the vote now in, the spread is not 33% but is 41%.

The final tally is not 65-32 but 67-26.

And so... thusly... The diary title is also grossly incorrect:

"Hillary tonight underperformed Obama's best TEN Victories"

In fact, Obama only outperformed her WV win in only THREE "Victories"...(talk about your math!) -- in the all important Democrat states of Idaho, Alaska and Hawaii. And that extra snark thrown in about W Virginia being home to only "5 electoral votes"-- Hawaii, Alaska and Idaho all have less. (Alaska offers 3, the others have 4 each)

But we know it's not all about electoral votes in the fall. But which states will be in play for the Dems.

Alaska has gone Republican since 1968.

Idaho has voted Republican since 1952.

And yes, Hawaii is likely to go blue.... but Obama grew up there so like Hillary's New York or Arkansas wins... I have learned that they don't really "count".

West Virginia on the other hand, is considered a Swing State and has voted Democratic for President 20 out of 36 times since it's statehood was declared in 1863. Making it a critically important state for, um ... beating the McCain guy in November.

http://www.270towin.com/states/

All of this inaccuracy and poor analysis is indeed quite shocking coming from that bastion of homework-doing fact checkers at Daily Kos.

They must be tired. I hear Clinton-bashing takes lots of energy when it's an around the clock activity.

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Submitted by early-bird on May 14, 2008 - 2:45am.

 post your entire commment with snark at the diarist thread at DKos; who can joust with you about analysis and

 

get challenged on your premise and research; I am not the author but I take his meaning it seems a simple straight forward premise to me;

 

but you don't want that conversation it would draw powerful responses; this is not my year for blog-bumpercar bashing of primary contests;

 

healthcare issues are my passion they come up at dKos on regular basis; you are not getting the shellacing at 00:44 am I can't put together interest to do that for you;

 

take on the author I am only the messenger;

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get over it. It's so old by now. - Justice Antonin Scalia


Submitted by spark on May 14, 2008 - 6:01am.

Not messenger.

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Submitted by early-bird on May 14, 2008 - 11:48am.

 

 

 

you are piling on it is about her rude hits at me; I liked your brevity though;

 

I'll defend to the hilt unpopular facts and news whether CCNers like it or not this is a discussion forum yahoogroups for Wes and Hillary are clubs that is where uniformity and conformity are appropriate;

so if she could make a civil discussion/debate she would get one in return; 

you say you don't like the message but are nasty in your retort;

I may not want to argue numbers and crunch them today but I will defend myself Sparkkyyyyy vigorously;

like many folk I use to enjoy the intelligence and reasoning at this blog until it became emotional and territorial instinctive attack mode central all the time; 

the horns of hate are nearly extinguished at CCN so don't stir the pot - when MSLA can speak without being obnoxiously offensive we'll discuss again;  

I don't give a hoot who/she/he/it supports or why; I haven't brought name calling Hillary articles to this site or after every Obama win and endorsement  brought over the results to this blog to rub it in to provoke you guys; I'll bring objective facts from time to time like last night;

I have ignored most of the Obama criticism ( but not the hate stuff ) you all have to find your own reasons to participate in politics if you don't identify with him I won't argue / persuade at this time the contest rivalry is still in progress that is primary politics; but the hate and really nasty name calling I am commenting on;

if he becomes the nominee then I'll be energized to promote issues that he promotes and ask you and everyone not to personally run him down at convention and after; this election is not High School prom king/queen contest;  

now back to the main menu - - stay out of it sparky; 

I'll be up for debating the merits of McCain vs the Dems when I can; that is not a waste of my energy; personally I think we have to be so good at debate and should practice it whenever wherever get the chance; we need to be able to  wipe the smirk off Scalia's mug and the likes of his neocon gangsters in politics;  he/they are a disgrace to Constitutional democracy  - got it; how are your debate skills coming along and your ability to make and defend an argument lets use time wisely how about that are you up for it? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get over it. It's so old by now. - Justice Antonin Scalia


Submitted by Kathy B. on May 14, 2008 - 12:40pm.

...to respond to ANY post he/she reads. You were given a rebuttal by ms in la to counter the "facts" you offered so that other readers HERE wouldn't be mislead. Her information belonged right here at CCN to counter yours, not at Kos where no one listens to opposing points of view.

This is a blog, not a private e-mail between two people. Therefore anyone can enter the conversation at any point. That's part of being in a GROUP.

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Submitted by early-bird on May 14, 2008 - 1:29pm.

can refute better than I can I didn't do the analysis but the premise is good information on ten primary/caucus results; and dkos posters listen as well as any blog to opposing points of view if you don't engage with flame throwing MSLA doesn't want to ; popular and unpopular ideas I'll post from time to time ignore it or have a discussion whereas MSLA can't make it civil when she engages me; yahoogroups are clubs this is a forum for debate and discussion until further notice as I read the invite;  

 

MSLA gleened the stupidest posts she could find at dkos this morning/last night by-passing the fact and information posters, activists alerts and on point political junkie concerns;

 

instead importing their worst nonsense posters to create disgust and hate you will notice she did not engage the writers of dumb and dumber kos talk at dkos;

 

she is setting the blog up as a stage to cause and stir up hate that is troublemaking; look objectively at what she did with those posts this morning-- period end of story;

 

 

Get over it. It's so old by now. - Justice Antonin Scalia


Submitted by spark on May 14, 2008 - 5:26pm.

You have the nerve to write about snark, you answer every counter to your posts with snark. Those seeking trash from Kos are perfectly capable of finding that site. You thought it was worth bringing it here, you defend it. I can call bullshit any time I see it. I've pointed out BO's shortcomings before and all you could give was a snarky answer, no counter to the facts. I have ignored most of your posts since, but when you rudely dismiss a counter to your post, as you did to MSLA, I felt compelled to comment. If you don't want counters to your posts, post at Kos.

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Submitted by early-bird on May 14, 2008 - 5:31pm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get over it. It's so old by now. - Justice Antonin Scalia


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Submitted by Arky Sue on May 14, 2008 - 1:11am.

I went outside a while ago and it's heavenly! Honeysuckle is in bloom and the scent is everywhere! Mmmmmm! :D


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Submitted by Marla on May 14, 2008 - 3:01am.

Per ABC News http://abcnews.go.com/politics

Clinton 16,691,403
Obama 16,647,965

Hillary ahead by 43,438 :-))


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Submitted by early-bird on May 14, 2008 - 3:22am.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080511/video/vwl-oxfam-warns-1-5-million-may-die-in-b-15af341.html

Oxfam warns 1.5 million may die in Burma

EXCERPT

Generals deny access to aid workers in order that the junta's military can distribute aid selectively, plastered with Generals' names.. so it is seen as coming from them.. Elsewhere reports state that all non-voters will count as a "yes" in the upcoming referendum on constitution.
tags: burma, generals, genocide 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get over it. It's so old by now. - Justice Antonin Scalia


Submitted by donjo on May 14, 2008 - 5:44pm.

the SHOCK DOCTRINE. Any minute now, US multi-nationals and Chicago School economists will be moving in with their offer of "assistance." Those Generals won't know what hit them.

We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.

Submitted by CentralMass on May 14, 2008 - 6:35am.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/obamicans_pile_on_clinton_at_o.html

"

Obamites Pile on Clinton at Own Peril

By Froma Harrop

Many in the Obama camp, having outfoxed the apparently not-so-formidable Clinton machine, can't seem to get the hang of winning gracefully. They feel a need to drive a stake in Hillary Clinton's reputation, then dance. If they were smart, they'd heap praise on Clinton and let her finish out the race, however she chooses to do so.

That's sage advice, even though offered by Republican mastermind-turned-pundit Karl Rove. Treat Clinton shabbily, he says, and many of her supporters "will remember it by November."

Nonetheless, Obamites are throwing victory parties over the impending defeat of a fellow Democrat who has thus far pulled in over 47 percent of their party's primary and caucus participants. Some take a more direct approach. In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers holding signs for Clinton.

Meanwhile, Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, unable to contain himself, administered one last kick to Clinton's dignity by opining that the New York senator lacks the "real leadership" needed for the job of vice president. He said that Obama should pick someone who is "in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people."

So much for the nobility of aspirations held by his own state's Democratic primary voters, who preferred Clinton over Obama by 15 percentage points. Next door in Rhode Island, Rep. Patrick Kennedy dittoes Dad as an unwavering super-delegate for Obama -- this despite Clinton's 18-point win in that state's primary. It's as if the voters are invisible.

Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane. Last week's enemy was working-class white people. The Democrats can win without a majority of white voters -- as Obama strategists undiplomatically note -- but they can't win without a strong showing among them.

So Obama partisans do not help their cause by willfully misrepresenting Clinton's reference to "hard-working Americans, white Americans" as racist rather than as a poorly worded observation made in a state of utter exhaustion. The fervor of their outrage suggests that some regard the mere consideration of white people, particularly white men, as a demographic needing a special message is an act of bigotry. (That's as opposed to a thousand other racial and socio-economic groups that politicos routinely slice and dice.)

We now hear pained remarks from the Obama camp that many white men won't vote for any black. Oh really? No one was complaining during the early races in Iowa, Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin, when most of the white male participants backed Obama. That was before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ugliness became public.

Weirdly, Obamite triumphalism seems to be merging with the festivities on the Republican side. You can understand why the right would welcome what it prays is "the end of the Clinton era." Bill Clinton presided over the longest peacetime expansion since World War II. His budget surpluses put his so-called conservative predecessors and successor to shame. Wouldn't a vow to build on the Clinton legacy, rather than dismantle it, be a better tack for the Obama campaign?

By the way, Clinton's continued sparring with Obama does not hurt the Illinois senator's chances in November. It only crowds out Republican efforts along that line. Believe me, you'd rather have the Clinton version.

Obama can't beat John McCain without large chunks of Clinton's core constituency: women, Hispanics and the white working class. Dumping on their candidate is one step removed from dumping on them -- and some of the Obama people don't even bother with that step. Rove must be enjoying the show.

fharrop@projo.com

Copyright 2008, Creators Syndicate Inc.

Submitted by pinb on May 14, 2008 - 6:43am.

morning half expecting to see that overnight every superdelegate had declared for O! That is how crazy and unreal this campaign has become for me. If what I am about to post is in any way inappropriate for General Clark's website someone please let me know and I will delete it. Last night after Hillary's stunning win in WV after listening to the Obots and MSM taking it away from her as usual I started thinking that if the Dems continue their suicidal course with O! at the helm and make him the nominee then Clinton should run with the General as a third party candidate. I mean no disrespect as I know the General has and is fighting tirelessly for the Democratic party. I am an Independent and have believed for years the two party system is not serving us well. I just can't get the thought out of my mind.I don't know how the financing could come together (acknowledging that $$ plays an all too critical roll), but if they could find a way to do it I think they would win. Again, I apologize if this is inappropriate or in any way offensive. I am a sincere Hillary supporter and admire and respect Wes completely. Chalk this post up to my political naivete and my total disgust with the way things are at the moment.

Submitted by CentralMass on May 14, 2008 - 7:06am.

Not a bad idea but I doubt it will happen.

The democratic hierarchy has driven the bus into the ditch.

The candidates may feign solidarity but comments like Kennedy's recent slam on Hillary and the arrogance from (mostly) the Obama camp has hardened many voters and many will not tow the line.

Submitted by briarhopper on May 14, 2008 - 8:28am.

Hillary will probably remain a loyal Dem, however, and run again in 2012 if she loses the nom this time. After the O-train crashes over the left cliff in a disaster that will have people talking about it for years to come, she can waltz into the nomination in 2012. And, if McCain's term ends up being a stuck-in-the-mud debacle with Congress or a more-war mess, she'll glide into the Presidency as well. It sickens me that the Democratic Party created the supers to keep no-win candidates out, and now they're doing the opposite!

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Submitted by jen on May 14, 2008 - 10:26am.

pinb, and I love the idea, too but it's probably not very likely. Clinton and Clark both believe the Democratic Party is worth fighting for and saving. I don't know why third parties are so shunned in this country, but that's how it's always been. As long as money is the major factor in who can run and who wins, I don't see it changing.

I think the radicalization of the Repub party, and the disgust of many Dems -- both with how this campaign has been handled by the Dem elite, and the seeming weakness of Dems in congress -- may swing a lot more people to alternative parties than we've seen in a long time. Not sure it will wake up the leadership of either party enough for them to get a clue that "we the people" are growing increasingly disgusted with politics as usual.

O!'s whole campaign is based on change, but I haven't seen or heard anything out of him that would encourage me to believe that his brand of change is any different than what we've had. His past actions don't indicate that he would do anything different, and in fact I think he would take us more to the right. I think we've gone way too far in that direction already.


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by Arky Sue on May 14, 2008 - 2:29pm.

The Dem Party is leaving Hillary and Wes, too.
We do need a new party, imo.


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Submitted by CarolNYC on May 14, 2008 - 8:14am.

My mom, one of those older white women whose immigrant parents didn't have enough money to send her or her 8 brothers and sisters to college that the Obama campaign and the Democratic elite like to belittle so...also the woman who, along with my dad, taught me growing up that the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican....also the woman who was labeled a "Super Dem" by the ACT PA people because she's voted in every Dem primary since forever....She's seriously considering changing her registration from Dem to undeclared or whatever independent voters are called in PA. Knock me over with a feather, I never thought I'd see the day. This woman is as diehard Dem as they come...or at least she used to be until the "uniter" and his crew took over. Oy! What a mess they are making of my party!

"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark


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Submitted by Ben on May 14, 2008 - 8:51am.

Which Democratic candidate would fare better against Sen. John McCain in November?

Currently:

Clinton 44%
Obama 56%


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Submitted by hf jai on May 14, 2008 - 9:39am.

Scientific poll?


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Submitted by Ben on May 14, 2008 - 10:12am.

Submitted by Tega on May 14, 2008 - 2:27pm.

We need to get Hillary's numbers up!

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