My old Kentucky Home.... and Oregon Primary Thread
Submitted by madspawn on May 20, 2008 - 5:52pm.
Democratic politics
MY OLD KENTUCKY HOME
By Stephen FosterThe sun shines bright in the old Kentucky home,
Tis summer, the people are gay;
The corn-top's ripe and the meadow's in the bloom
While the birds make music all the day.The young folks roll on the little cabin floor
All merry, all happy and bright;
By'n by hard times comes a knocking at the door
Then my old Kentucky home, Good-night!Weep no more my lady. Oh! Weep no more today!
We will sing one song for my old Kentucky home
For the old Kentucky home, far away.
Pour yourself a tall one.
Polls close in Kentucky at 6pm local time, 7pm Eastern time and Oregon's polls close 8pm Pacific.
Didn't the polls JUST close?
What % of the vote in?
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK
Oy... I'm not watching. The kids are watching AFV on WGN.
Don't know if I want to check the returns out on the web or not now.
Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you
early precincts they say were O! neighborhoods.
They are still predicting a
THIRTY POINT WIN
for Hillary.
Now let us all count how many times the media uses the word
"Historic"
to describe it?
any bets?
Most of the early returns are from Louisville, the closed Kentucky has to an Obama friendly region. Nothing to worry about.
was only worried until Wolf said she looks like she won by 30! :)
Those rural areas are hugely lopsided for two candidates that are so close in the overall numbers.
is a media ploy to write off discussing KY and move right on to OREGON, which can then be the talk of the talkers.
So spend 3 minutes on Kentucky and.... nothing to see here. Let's move on...
...have to talk about KY because the results for OR won't come in until the wee small hours on the east coast. It's paper ballots that have to be counted by hand
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK
My husband just went out to exercise, which is what he does each time it looks like a clobbering Hillary win will be coming in!
Like I said at W Virginia election.. he will be very fit this June!
He is performing tonight so I can only stay tuned a few more hours before having to leave. Do you know what time Pacific Oregon might be reporting??
Counting starts at 8:00pm in Oregon. Given how we don't have polling stations (just drop off stations) and over half of all eligible voters mailed in their ballot before today, I don't see how any exit polling can take place. I assume this means they'll actually have to (gasp) count the ballots to see who won.
I'll be listening to my first song right about then. No way I can get to a TV...
Maybe I'll take my puter with the PC card and sneak out to the car! :)
COURTESY OF VaDem on a Ygroup:
"What to watch for" in KY.
The link is here http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10472.html
Also, watch How goes Montgomery County? In 1988 and 2000 – the last elections with no incumbent president on the ballot – this county of less than 25,000 residents in the Outer Bluegrass region of the state was within 5 percentage points of the actual statewide primary results.
In order for Obama to hold down her winning margin, he needs to do well in Louisville and Lexington, home to the University of Kentucky, and in the relatively affluent northern Kentucky suburbs of Cincinnati.
Mind the (time-zone) gap. Kentucky polls are open from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. But because the state is divided between the eastern and central time zones, polls in the eastern part of the state close one hour before those in the west.
Since the eastern part of the state is home to the areas in which Obama hopes to be competitive (Louisville, Lexington, the Cincinnati suburbs) and since cities tend to report more quickly than rural areas, early results may make it appear a closer race than it is.
The western part of the state, though less densely populated, is mostly Clinton country. Democratic turnout could be driven up in part of western Kentucky by the party primary for the congressional seat being vacated by Rep. Ron Lewis (R-Ky.).
As the western part of the state reports its results tonight, expect to see Clinton’s margin widen.
I got a little panicky there for a minute... but figured it out! Us Hillbillies take longer to read the ballot and vote.... poor educamation an' all....
Oops.
Humor.
Hillary creams him in KY!
OK....got the CNN pinheads on. Groan.
Lou Dobbs is darn good!
Now they are all condescending to Hillary about her staying in race cuz people want to vote. Brava for those voters! It won't help her, they say. But brava for democracy and counting all the votes. Oh brother.
Now Bill Schnide is saying...hold the phone on thinking O! can't win white voters. Just look at what Oregon does. There are more whites there and they are going for O!. Oh brother....again.
Hillary winning huge in the rural counties says John King. Ooooohhh....Wolfie says John Kings fuzzy delegate numbers for O! don't mean anything without FL and MI. Whoa.
didn't you know that Donna is "neutral" in this race?
It has to be true.
Wolf Blister just said so...
I forgot.
Suzanne M's report from the O! campaign says he will be gracious to Hill tonight too. He'll praise her. He'll need her voters. Sounded like the O! campaign is a little concerned about meeting that delegate count they pulled out of their youknowwhere. Will make the speech late tonite and adjust accordingly. Teehee.
Suzanne's hair was showing the effects of the Pacific Northwest humidity. Ooops.
...is what Riverdaughter calls the 400 paid "be nice to Hillary" commenters.
Seems Donna may be one of them now?
ROTFLMAO!!
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK
From the Sweeties post via Lavender Liberal...The Pocket Guide to Obamamaniac Behavior Cycle.
I'd post the actual picture, but it doesn't seem to be very readable when I do that.
Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you
I'm sick of seeing the question asked of voters about race being an issue. I think 22% or so said yes. What they always imply is that those people are white and racist. They never consider that black voters might have responded to this question (and with 90% or so going to BO I would think many would say yes to that question). Also, there may be some white voters with the "white guilt" trip that vote for BO just because he is black (supposedly).
What an effing terrible question. I hate it. HATE it.
Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you
from CNN- see the counties
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#KY
at the CNN link!!!
She's bringing in 86,87,88% in them with up to half the vote in!!
Amazing!!
in the south eastern border counties!
Some up to 96% Hillary and with a good portion of the votes reporting!
for Ohio's southeastern counties bordering WV and KY. Appalachia is Hill Country!
Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you
I'm serious about the Hillbillies for Hillary Rally in Denver...
Get yer costumes ready.
Any fiddle players on the blog? ;)
(um, humor again)
If you get the candidate you want nominated
in this primary, I'd bet that's a picture of
nothing but McCain voters in the GE.
Well we definitely lost Granny, but I still think we have a shot at Jethro and Elly May.
Heck, even with this thorough drubbing by Clinton, it appears Obama gets 50% more votes than McCain in this primary. (Currently about 157,000 to 105,000.) Not that this will hold in November or anything, but it gives you an idea what bad shape the Republicans are in this year.
with 89-7 for Hillary with 100% in. Bunch of poor, uneducated, racists hicks! :P
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
and am just blown away.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/county/#KYDEMMAPprimary
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
I looked all over that map for Montgomery Co, where it supposedly comes within 5% of the final vote. Finally found it due East of Lexington and one county over. At this point, 0% reporting so nothing to see.
between Politico and CNN
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/dates/index.html#20080520
Politico has Clinton 57% / O! 39%
CNN has Clinton 54% / O! 43%
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BTW, someone upthread said OR hand counts ballots. Not true. I read this morning they brought in extra machines for some counties, and they were very careful! about zeroing them out last night, and would do so again this morning.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
I don't remember where. But even the mailed in ballots are machine counted. Probably optical scan is my guess. I heard the same thing about machines needing to be zeroed.
But don't quote me on any of this. Its just what I read somewhere.
started counting ballots this morning, but they have to have them all in by 8 to finish the counting. They validate the ballots by signature, but do use an optical scan machine to count. They will likely have some results to report when the polls close. I know I won't be up on the East Coast to watch the final results (and if I am, I won't be worth a toot tomorrow).
Jefferson Co., home of Louisville (about 1/3 black in the city, 1/5 in the county) has only about a 3-point spread with 89% reporting!
HillBillies, hicks and typical white people! :D
Collins Kids doing "Blue Moon of Kentucky"
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
HRC raised between 21-35 million in April?
(none / 0) (#86)
by nycstray on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:40:04 PM ESTdid I hear that right?!
Terry sounds good and positive though!
:D
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK
So who do you think wins tonight's popular vote? It should be Hillary, given the similar state sizes and expected outcomes, but I heard that KY had relatively low turnout and Oregon's might be much higher. Any guesses?
I find that guessing can be a pretty dangerous game so I'll pass on that. :)
However, since Oregon has mail in voting I don't think that it would be surprising if Oregon had a higher "turn out."
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
Clinton: 58%
O!: 39%
Keep a goin' Hillary!!!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Go Hillary Go...get those popular votes up there. Cnn giving Kudos to Bill Clinton in the Rural area. Lets hope it works in Oregon...He was out there too!!
bwahahaha
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood of ideas in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." JFK
that KY Edwards stuff was all thinly disguised test VP run! "Well, he really wanted to be AG anyway!"
Psst: Edwards- your chances were better with those Arkansas upstarts, not the old guard!
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt during the beginning of the primaries and trying to believe in his caring for the poor platform.... overlooking the house and the rest...
But when he came out RIGHT on the HEELS of her WV win (historic win I might add) and endorsed O!-- It was giving the finger to all those poor voters who had been proclaiming they wanted a President Clinton.
It turned me.
Standard anti hate spewing disclaimer applies
I was actually starting to think I had him wrong! Spoo!! LOL!!
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
is asking Donna Brazile about Hillary voters finding their way to O! He mentioned how Hillary has been vilified by "his" supporters. Donna Brazile said, "Are you talking to me?". She is just dripping with "luv" for the Clintons tonite. Lou said looks like the fences are started to be mended. Wowee....he doesn't let the pin heads get away with a thing. Asks follow ups.
We're talking major sucking up to all of "us" by the O-Bots. If...if....he pulls this out....the groveling is going to be a stitch to watch. But from what I've read surfing the net and people I know personally....won't make a dent.
and Hillary already has about 175,000 more votes than him!! And she has an opponent... :P
Realism, not Idealism-
Am I reading this right? She could flip Kentucky based on number like this!
Popular Vote Totals
State KY Bush / Cheney 1,069,439
Kerry / Edwards 712,733
Nader / Camejo 8,856
Badnarik / Campagna 2,619
Other 2,235
Total Votes 1,795,882
Clinton 249,271
Obma 161,743
McCain 74,060
at 7:56 EST
Am I reading this right?
poke around in CNN's States to Watch section & it provides much food for thought from prior elections, I can tell you that!!!!! Pay attention to erm, the 90s.
CNN Exit Polls
By Gender
Male 43%
Clinton 62% / O! 32%
Female 57%
Clinton 67% / O! 27%
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Most likely to win in Nov.
Clinton 62%
Clinton 94% / O! 3%
O! 35%
Clinton 16% / O! 77%
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By Education
No College 36%
Clinton 74% / O! 24%
College Educated 64%
Clinton 60% / O! 34%
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Is clinton trustworthy?
Yes 64%
Clinton 82% / O! 16%
No 33%
Clinton 33% / O! 54%
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Is O! trustworthy?
Yes 46%
Clinton 41% / O! 57%
No 52%
Clinton 87% / O! 5%
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By Income
Less than $50,000 45%
Clinton 67% / O! 28%
$50,000 or more 55%
Clinton 63% / O! 31%
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Lots more:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#KYDEM
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
A bellweather, in past years when there is no incumbent, they are within 5% of the overall vote. That might not hold this year, as they are 100% in, and has won 80-15. Would that it were.
Hillary is winning many of the same states her husband won in 1992..minus the AA strong states. She can easily win the Nov election.........can they say the same for Obama??
In large measure, it has been honest appetite for "change" - years of being beaten down & needs not being served, plus a marvel of marketing ala No Logo, plus a bit of rightwing maneuvering, if you ask me - in the erm professional election throwing faction of the party.
There are a lot of factors- the reason dems don't tend to win is they do not embrace Realism not Idealism - seriously, I loved reading that turn of phrase in this article that all superdelegates should be forced to sign off on having read:
You Broke It, You Own It -- Obama Style
Kristen Breitweiser
Realism not Idealism s/b Hillary's summer campaign theme - it's brilliant on so many "meme" levels!!!
And on Huffington Post no less.
That. Is. Awesome.
Hope she was wearing her flame retardant undies!
Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you
personally, what she has witnessed... her bones are made of diamonds- titanium, some otheworldly substance - that is the single best piece of writing about this choice I have read all year, bar none.
If she does more, say... 40%-- when all these rural hillbilly counties finally report in.... it really will be
HISTORIC
Go Hillary!!
Let's go for 40!
With each percentage that reports, your lead goes up. Let's rack it up higher before you meet your audience! It's now up 32 points and I guarandamntee you its going way up.
Late to the party! Pour me a STIFF ONE of that Maker's Mark! Make it a DOUBLE!
I heard on CBS Radio news they've called Kentucky for HRC and in describing the win called this win much like last week's WVA "drubbing" of Obama.
I found a cool place to hang in place of Countdown at 8 pm too! Peter B Collins show on KRXA on audio and Tribe games on the teevee! Keep me posted on the returns! (No they don't scroll election results during the game! Haha!)
www.mccainsfreeride.com
And a tip to the Barkeep!
More from where that came from, too!
Money Factory at The Purple Abe!
www.mccainsfreeride.com
I don't move for less than a Hamilton.
Purple or not.
We cyber barkeeps live off our tips ya know.
And us Hillbillies have lots of bills to pay.
The still needs repairs. The outhouse is falling over. My banjo string broke. And the Dentist says he needs to cap my tooth. The one I have left.
So pony up Cowboy.... You're good fer it.
(about $30,000 of gold coins at today's prices)
In the famous words of AC/DC
"Have a drink on me!"
Now FIX THAT STILL!!!
And get a GOLD cap on that tooth while yer at it!
www.mccainsfreeride.com
DonnaB is gonna make me barf! Time to turn the channel. Fox?
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
really nice comments about Ted Kennedy now.
She looks fabulous!
And she does look good! She's amazing.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Dear --,
Once again tonight, you and I stood together and showed America what we're made of.
Every time we win another state, we prove something about ourselves and about our country. And did we ever prove something tonight in Kentucky.
We showed America that the voters know what the "experts" will never understand -- that in our great democracy, elections are about more than candidates running, pundits commenting, or ads blaring.
They're about every one of us having his or her say about the path we choose as a nation. The people of Kentucky have declared that this race isn't over yet, and I'm listening to them -- and to you.
Your unshakeable commitment to that principle and your willingness to keep forging ahead inspire me every day. Let's keep supporting one another in these crucial days ahead.
All the best, Hillary
that this spread is gonna be big...
just looking at those hillbilly, er- I mean 'rural' counties. This could be a huge margin when it's all in.
I'm holding out for 40.
WTH is going on in KY?
49 to 48
Not liking this...