in my opinion. He does NOT have the necessary amount of delegates to secure the nomination yet!

Yea - it's all part of the pretending to be the inevitable nominee. They make sure this all gets leaked out and will be covered by MSM so they will have something to talk about on cable. BTW I am starting a website to organize against Obama. I have come to the conclusion that it would hurt a lot more pulling the lever for Obama than even McCain. I would appreciate it if any here could help out by posting some of the useful info we share here. I also need some help administrating the site as I do not have much time. ProtestVote08

Is it too late for... www.DraftClark08.us ????

(I bought the url some months ago but before I could get it going he declined to run and endorsed Clinton!)

Just sayin'...

We need to do something that's for sure. I did not like HRC as first choice but she has grown on me probably because the more I see Obama the less I like. He does remind me of GWB. You got to change Washington, same speeches, never available for press conferences, etc.

Governor Jim Edgar and President George W Bush ALSO received campaign help from Rezko. I guess that means they are guilty TOO?

This guilt by association can get pretty dangerous for ALL if you want to keep pushing it.

Coonsey's View
http://www.freewebs.com/coonsey/

...bosom buddies for 20 years and....

....did he help them buy their houses?

"I do not see how you can pretend two million people did not vote.", Kevin Spacey 5/21/08

There is a LOT more than guilt by association being exposed here. Obama's pay-to-play involvement with several legislative actions is the most damning. The man is corrupt!!!

...he's just an ordinary Chicago poll.

"I do not see how you can pretend two million people did not vote.", Kevin Spacey 5/21/08

How whenever someone points out one of Obama's more obvious flaws, an Obama-bot will almost inevitably invoke GWB as guilty of the same flaw.

As if Bush were some high standard to hold Obama up to?!

The poster acts as if it were ludicrous to accuse George Bush or any nefarious activities or associations! Too funny. Having George W Bush fundraising ties does not help the Rezko case or Obama's role in it in any way I can see.

blogged about it here a while back, Blackie.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15460

As we've read elsewhere, it seems the Dems are becoming a "new party"...the O! Party. Other than that...dunno.

sort of...

But see.... the O Party has become a "movement" so the Dem Party has transmorphed into the all new:

O! Movement

Ya gotta keep up with this stuff.

I guess voter registration cards will have to be changed from "D" to "OM"

pardon me.

It's difficult for us "clingy, bitter" rubes to keep up with "change". Turnip trucks and all that. And we can't quite get a grasp of that "movement" word. Very confusing.

How about "maneuver". Now that's a word we can understand. The "OM" could still apply.

Donjo's blog on the "O! Maneuver" for those who may have missed it:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15457

;)

It’s the Obama campaign’s cynical use of race beginning in South Carolina that’s the deal-breaker for others. “He is making his way to Denver by dividing our party over race, which is maybe the most idiotic campaign tactic ever,” writes C. in Kansas. “This time the witch hunt is coming from our side. It’s heartbreaking. Obama supporters want you to think Bill and Hillary Clinton are lifelong members of the KKK. The audacity of hope campaign has had to audacity to go there…This fall, they’ll try to make nice and talk unity, but the people they alienated in the most hateful way won’t be there. They deserve to lose for being so callous and childish.”

Another:

“I view the Obama candidacy as a narcissistic endeavor by a mediocre politician dividing Democrats along social vs. economic progressive lines,” J insists. “He’s forcing a choice between winning in 2008 and possibly saving Roe vs. Wade and promoting gay marriage versus abandoning the poor and working class.”

“I’ve decided I won’t help Obama and his personality cult transform the Democratic party into an organization that represents only the interests of rich social liberals.”

Lyons ends with:

What do I think? I suspect most will grudgingly return by November, but that non-African-American working class voters won’t.

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

Cate, please take a look at the three nested posts I put up on a dead thread here:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15557#comment-304388

The Set Up has been in the works for much longer than most of us realize IMO. I think once again that the republican "underground" has done an "admirable" job of rigging yet another election (in this case our primary elections) and flashing the shiny object out in front so we never really saw the underpinnings of it. Unless we were swimming around under the bottom of the boat with the barnacles that is ...

Not just by crossover voting alone, but by using all the available tools at their disposal - (and when you own the Corp-press... them's a lot of tools!)-- to wedge, spread, and divide the Dems beyond recognition. To first create, and then to expand the Dem V Dem anger and turmoil... the rift that got to the point of the house divided that then must fall. Split right down the middle.

Dem blogs have been peppered with repub astroturfers who can spread Arkansas Project Clinton-hate faster and stronger than a California wildfire. PsyOps techniques made it effective to the point of scores of Dems chanting the exact same Clinton-Hate slogans that were bandied about over a decade ago. Rewrapped and recycled for the 21st century.

The media have hammered this Dem division theme from day one and so many Dems fell right into the trap - as if they had never seen our media lead them down any false paths before. A stunning deletion of memory seemed to have occurred. I have no idea why that is, how that happened - the dumbing down of the Dems. But it did. And still is. We have no credible excuses for being that hopelessly naive and suddenly trusting all those very same voices who were complicit in lying us into the war and a hundred other atrocities. But... "we" did. Almost without pause...

The plan was likely laid way before we even got to Iowa and the players all played their parts with impressive vigor and efficiency. Even all the so-called progressives blindly jumped into place and helped out without the blink of an eye. And still are performing exactly as intended. Take Her Out. Stop Her Now. Blasting from Air America, MSNBC, and Daily Kos with the same gusto as from Free Republic and Right wing talk radio.

The only truly successful 2 term Dem in the presidential arena in this country in most of our lifetimes was named Clinton and the rovian republicans could NOT let it ever happen again. Orchestrated like clockwork.

I am not hate-spewing or any of those other things I've been accused of recently .... but I believe that simple republican undercover organizing skills will have gotten the best of us, yet again, this time around -- and I foresee sorry shades of Kerry redux on all our horizons this fall. :(

And I'm normally a glass half full girl.

Maybe the upside is that one day in the future, we- as a party- will have finally learned the hard way, the value of crack organization, and the need to dig much more deeply into the behind the scenes works of Rovian style republican operatives who are intent on bringing us and our candidates down.

We've got to shed the naivete and get a clue ... We have got to be able to spot the Set Up earlier and then to create viable work-arounds to beat it.

This was all predicted before HRC entered the race - in fact I, among many others, said the campaign started waaaaay to soon and since Hillary was bound and determined to raise enormous funds, (helping to keep Wes out.) get in with beaucoup bucks and get an early start, the pubs would make it the dirtiest race in history. But I think no one predicted that it would be the Dems doing a convincing job of burying one of their own.

We're electing the President of the United States, not some g.d. prom king.

whittled down to 2? While the repubs still had 32 candidates crossing the country on debates. How they kept McSame discreetly behind the curtains - out of the spotlight until the last minute. Pristeen.

Dems buried their own but the map and manual were drafted by Rovian repubs. They just didn't read the fine print when it was handed to them.

Dems need reading glasses. :/

and most voters don't choose a Prez using that criterium.

is here. Thanks for the heads up dw! This is excellent!

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

is he often uses the excuse (in KY and WV etc) that he is the "Unknown Candidate" and the Hillary wins because she's so well known and famous.... and he couldn't make himself known because doggone it he had to stay in DC to vote on that Flood Insurance bill that narrowly won by 97 to 1 votes.

So if he's so unknown -- to the point that people who don't know who he is won't vote for him... how then do they even know if he's white or black or half or quarter?

That is a rhetorical question attempting to insert logic into an otherwise illogical primary.

Standard Disclaimers All Apply Here

He's been the "Unknown Candidate" since January except in the states he won. I heard this repeated several times on wednesday - he did not have time but when voters get to know him he does better. He had seven weeks between OH and PA and could not do better. How do you explain how well known he was in places like Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, etc ??? He did not spend time in them places. That's why it's bogus to claim he was at a disadvantage in FL.

when/if he runs against McSame.

But but but.... everyone knows who John McCain is. He's so old- they've had all these years to hear about him and his POW experience and nobody really knows me yet! I'm new and fresh and all changey... Wahhh!! It's not fair!

Ahhh....The plight of the Unknown Candidate. If only they could get some air time. Or press...

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

I love it!

;D

This was the first thing I thought of when I read that subject line. Bwahahaha.....

Great minds. ;)

not by being black, but by using his ethnicity to bait and accuse. And, think, would anyone who told a pollster this give a hoot what anyone thinks about it? Would he/she decide to vote for BO out of racial guilt? And think how many voters felt the same way, but wouldn't admit it!

Call me odd but there is something patently unhealthy going on there.

 http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1730471,00.html

Meanwhile, the legal fact-finding is going slowly. At a conference with lawyers on Monday, Texas District Judge Barbara Walther expressed confusion over how to handle an initial custody hearing scheduled for Thursday; "Quite frankly, I'm not sure what we're going to do," she said at one point. ""It would seem inefficient to have a witness testify 416 times." While the children and adult women with them are polite to social workers, they are not forthcoming, often giving different names with each interview. "We don't have a problem with evaluation," said Dr. Bruce Perry, a Houston psychiatrist. "We have a problem with cooperation." Simply identifying the children has proved difficult and the state may have to turn to court-approved DNA analysis to confirm relationships and identities.

Perry, senior fellow at The ChildTrauma Academy, had worked with the surviving children from the Branch Davidian sect, a conflagration that killed 82 men, women and children 15 years ago this month. "I am not sure what is going happen," he says of the Eldorado kids. "I think we will have multiple outcomes, some children will want to stay out, some will go back." Half of the Branch Davidian children returned to the group, but those kids were less homogeneous than Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (FLDS) children: They were more traumatized and many were relative newcomers to the Davidian way of life. Says Perry: "With the FLDS most of them grew up with these beliefs, there's a multigenerational worldview and they are much more socialized [to the FLDS lifestyle]."

In some ways, Perry said, the children have "wonderful qualities — understanding of others, respect for their elders, kindness." But they have also been taught the outside world is filled with Satanic forces — movies, music, games — and as they are exposed to them in foster care, Perry says, they may well believe "My parents were right!" In some ways, Perry said, this situation highlights "fracture lines in our culture" about lifestyles and parental control. "But the state is not saying 'Don't wear those dresses," Perry says, referring to the legal basis of the Eldorado raid. "It's saying you cannot have sex with 12-year-olds."

For other experts, however, the concern is not the separation of church and state but deprogramming. The bottom line, according to Utah psychologist Dr. Larry Beall, who has worked work with women and children who have fled polygamists sects, is the FLDS is a "cult" involved in "plain ole brainwashing since birth." Says Beale, "They have been taught that anyone on the outside is untrustworthy. They are the enemy and they are going to hurt you." He adds, "My experiences with these kids is once they are out of the controlled environment they come to enjoy their freedom."

Some, of course, Beall says, may not. For the boys, particularly those who had found favor with their fathers, the transition will be more difficult; meanwhile the young, teenaged mothers who see themselves as an integral part of the culture will also pose complex challenges. The young mothers occupy a crucial place in their community, proud symbols of a central tenet of their faith that only "celestial marriage" [polygamy] gains believers admission to the highest level of Heaven. (Upon reaching puberty, FLDS girls are required to marry, usually into the existing families of older men.) Furthermore, says Beall, the young women may harbor feelings of guilt and shame as victims now that they left what they have been taught to believe are the safe and sacrosanct confines of the FLDS community.

But right now, there is the practical problem of keeping adult mothers and children together. While the women who accompanied the children are being housed together with the youngsters right now, if they leave to see to their husbands in Eldorado, they will not be allowed back in, says Darrell Azar of the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (TDFPS). On April 17, a district judge will respond to the state's request to extend the temporary custody for all 416 children. "We are going to ask to maintain temporary conservatorship for the foreseeable future until we conclude the investigation," said TDFPS spokesman Darrell Azar. Each child will be given legal representation, said Scott McCown, a former district judge who now heads the Center for Public Policy Priorities, an Austin think tank that has been critical of state funding for social welfare agencies. Any parent who is indigent or can't afford a lawyer also will get legal representation. But the sheer size of the case and the number of children is going to be a "challenge for an underfunded system," McCown said.

Massive amounts of personnel and state aid has been mobilized to deal with the problem. But it comes at a time when the state of Texas has been criticized for not putting enough resources into child protective services. In 2006, following several headline-grabbing stories of deaths of children in abusive environments, the legislature approved additional funds for investigative caseworkers, but critics say it has not been enough. Additional conservatorship caseworkers are needed, according to Rebecca Lightsey, director of Texas Appleseed, a nonprofit social justice organization. The nationwide average is 25 children per caseworker, the Texas ratio is 43 to every one caseworker, Lightsey says, and more foster care is needed. To that end, TDFPS has set up a web page that lists all the ways the public and volunteer groups can help the children of Eldorado.

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...although I have to say that I think everyone is giving her an unfair time. I didn't even understand why it bothered everyone at first. I thought she just meant that there's a history of candidates running through June.

Huh?

Speaking of shamelessness...

Or this?

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you

As much as I have major problems with Obama, it's the height of immaturity to not give him the benefit of the doubt on that. People use the middle finger to scratch an itch all the time.

No one I know uses their middle finger to scratch themselves. Even if it was unintended, it's still not presidential.

Actually, it's probably more immature to expect a 4 star General to take advice from some unstable blogger.

Oh.... and BTW I'm rubber and you're glue... everything bounces off me and sticks to you. Nyah nyah.

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you

Nonetheless, that doesn't mean that the lady who told me that Clark wasn't electable because he's too short (he's FIVE TEN (and, as we all know, electable even if only 5'0")) was a wise woman.

Obama wasn't being unpresidential by neglecting to anticipate that some people are as childish as you are and that therefore he should have been less focused on his substance and more on his near-involuntary body language.

I need to make sure I've got this straight.

According to you, I'm stupid, immature, and childish. Whatever, buddy. The crappy thing for you, my vote cancels yours. What you don't realize, is that you are making more enemies than friends here. If your guy is in fact the nominee, then you'll need our votes. Or, I guess you'll be hoping the new coalition will come out in droves. Yeah... dream on.

Wes Clark Democrats...let the Clinton campaign know who sent you

As I said in a recent comment defending Hillary's RFK remark, I prefer Obama to Hillary only by a razor's edge--I think Wes, like most, over rate the value of legislative or executive experience. So Obama is not "my guy".

Second, are you seriously telling me that you're so stupid and immature that what I say could have some bearing on our opinion of Obama and how you vote??? If it came out the Hitler was pro-seatbelt would you stop wearing yours?

Third, if you're one of those people who won't do your part to make sure that lameass Obama beats McCain then you deserve all the contempt in the world--and certainly are not the kind of team player that Wes proved to be the way he got behind Jackass Kerry.

And I hope one day when McCain's supreme ct over turns Roe V Wade that you end up knowing someone who gets burned by it so you'll know what it's like for me and mine if we get burned by it.

...one day....

"supreme ct over turns Roe V Wade"

It will be due to a President Obama...... the man who admired Roberts and was set to vote for him until an aide pointed out how politically stupid it would be. If President McCain puts forward a pro life nominee, we have a 50/50 chance that the Dem Congress will grow a spine and fight it. But they will NEVER fight against someone nominated by a Dem President.

Obama has said again and again how much he likes Republicans. He has also stated repeatedly that the problem with Washington is the bickering....and that we should all just get along.

He has not hidden these views. He has been quite up front about them.......but his followers refuse to see him for who he is. They prefer to play WORM and convince themselves that once he's in the WH he'll do a 180, all of a sudden become a progressive and fight for progressive issues.

Since I've never seen him fight for anything. (other than being president that is)....and certainly not progressive issues, preferring to vote "Present" or not showing up for the vote at all, I'd rather take my chances with a Rep Prez and a Dem Congress than a Dem Prez who is Republican Lite and a Dem Congress.

And by the way.....calling the commenter "stupid and immature" is not only rude and uncalled for....

It is seriously projecting.

"I do not see how you can pretend two million people did not vote.", Kevin Spacey 5/21/08

Does not negate my point. Not withstanding all the bad things about him, there's plenty of strong evidence in his favor, like how he's worked for the poor and his progressive philosophy and his diplomatic tone--all of which put him above McCain. Not to mention that you just proved yourself that Obama is a good listener.

Also, you didn't actually make an argument as to how an actual republican who is as full of crap and all wrong on the issues as McCain is could possibly be preferable to Obama.

When Mike Malloy screams at people like you, he speaks for me too.

Finally, there's no better way to express that a vote for McCain is rude towards Americans than to tell you that you're being stupid and immature. Which I do as a courtesy because it's my honest opinion. Just like my father and strangers alike get told to go F themselves for choosing not to vote.

Please teach me how I qualify for projecting.

supports my contention that you should be slapped if you don't vote for Obama in November.

...can only hope to be like CCN today

LOL!!!!!!

but of course my vote was cast purely in the wider interest of the good of the Party... and the world at large, not based on any selfish, personal interests.....

So I voted that he come to Los Angeles! ;P

Heh... Russ Warner running again (his son was in Iraq and begged him to run) against the Dreaded David Dreier!

C'mon General. Come back to L.A!! Sunshine, UCLA, movie stars, swimmin pools-- and your offspring! And that blond that is always lurking behind you with a pad and pen, and small recording device... :)

scary or mean, is she? [*ducks and runs*] ;-)

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

Hat Tip to the Beatles!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Day after day,
Alone on a hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool,
And he never gives an answer,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Well on the way,
Head in a cloud,
The man of a 1000 voices talking perfectly loud
But nobody ever hears him,
Or the sound he appears to make,
And he never seems to notice,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

And nobody seems to like him,
They can tell what he wants to do,
And he never shows his feelings,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Ooh, ooh,
Round and round and round.

And he never listens to them,
He knows that they're the fools
They don't like him,

The fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Here's a 'heads up' for those men who may be regular Walmart customers.

Over the last months I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends.

Here's how the scam works:

Two seriously good-looking 20-21 year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look.

When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' and instead ask you for a ride to another Walmart. You agree and they get in the backseat. On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the
other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen March 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, than again on the 17th, 20th, 24th and 29th. Also April 1st, 4th. Twice on the 8th, three times last Saturday and very likely again this upcoming weekend. So tell your friends to be careful out there.

P.S. Walmart has wallets on sale for $2.99 each

Impeach Obama!

I laughed so hard I *could not* finish reading this...

You are so a glutton for punishment, Donjo....

Thanks for the laugh, donjo! Hahahaha!!

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

some wonder why? we lose our cool around here sometimes. Good lord!