Clark is TOO the issue


Just to make it 100% clear, this is no longer about politics. This is about friendship and loyalty and truth.

FACT CHECK: If you think Obama didn't throw Clark under the bus, you're not paying attention. He did. Search on cagrunden if you're still confused.

I still believe that friendship and loyalty and truth are worth more than politics. If you throw them under the bus, then regardless of whether you're taking the oath on January 20th, you've lost.

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Submitted by LJM on July 7, 2008 - 7:22am.

Baseball has become interesting this summer. I'm so over the strike. Politics has made the upset over how much money baseball players earn seem puny. I'm with you on the value of friendship, truth and loyalty. These are things that shouldn't be decided by focus group.


Submitted by Phyl on July 7, 2008 - 8:50am.

But whatever way you spell it, you're correct!!

Submitted by shortie on July 7, 2008 - 9:08am.

I had too at first, but then... crap. Am I totally brainfarting here or what? Maybe I'll just make is SO and be done with it.

Well, I googled it. Where's grammar snob to explain to me why it's TOO. I know it's a brainfart. I'm usually smarter about these things.

But, who cares... It is about Wes and that's all there is to it. :)

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

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Submitted by PAforClark on July 7, 2008 - 6:58pm.


"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau


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Submitted by GrammarSnob on July 7, 2008 - 7:22pm.

One of the several definitions of too is "indeed." There's also a connotation of refutation. "I did not!" "You did too!" That's how Shortie was using the word, I believe.

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Submitted by PAforClark on July 7, 2008 - 7:26pm.


"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau


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Submitted by GrammarSnob on July 7, 2008 - 7:30pm.

As in excessively...another of the definitions of too.

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Submitted by Phyl on July 7, 2008 - 7:26pm.

"Too", meaning "So" "Clark is SO the issue."
Not, "Clark is ALSO the issue."

Submitted by shortie on July 7, 2008 - 7:56pm.

You're right about what I meant and GrammarSnob confirms that "too" can mean "indeed" also, err, too...

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

Submitted by cubbiebear on July 7, 2008 - 10:36am.

This is something most of us were raised with. Call it morals, values or common sense. Wes stands for those which is what draws me to him.

Submitted by summercat on July 7, 2008 - 12:07pm.

thanks, Shortie. I did note that Gibbs looked a little embarassed on MoJo when he mentioned that a campaign advisor had said they could pull two brigades a month out of Iraq--seems that is what WKC had said a while back. Guess Gibbs is embarassed (if he is) because he knows what great advice our General can give. Of course Gibbs would never give credit where it's due.
The General gets it right.
Competence--What a concept!

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Submitted by Reg NYC on July 7, 2008 - 1:12pm.

What good is getting someone elected if they have to give up all the principles they'll need to lead? How can we expect someone to reach across party lines and reach out to foreign leaders we disagree with when he can't even reach out to his allies within the party? Obama needs to show more leadership then this and he needs to do it soon.


Submitted by Wesorbust on July 7, 2008 - 5:08pm.

It's truly despairing that the our only hope against McCain is a man who didn't have the common sense to politely ask McCain to clarify why he thinks that Clark's comments were disparaging or unfactual.

And then simply remind McCain of what he said of Waging Modern War:

‘Clark’s insights into the lessons of Kosovo, the nature of alliance warfare, and America’s role in Europe will deservedly receive wide readership on both sides of the Atlantic.’

Submitted by Dinger on July 8, 2008 - 7:57am.

They're afraid to win, like Michael Moore said (In "Dude, Where's My Country")

"Just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back, up front there ought to be a Man In Black."
-Johnny Cash

Submitted by guitrock on July 8, 2008 - 11:17pm.

Somebody needs to think of a new phrase. Everybody seems to be under "the" bus at this point in the campaign. Is there any room left? "Under the bus" includes everything from the unflattering remark to the most devious denunciation of another. In other words, it no longer has any meaning - it's just a catch phrase, and a bad one at that.

Obama did what other politicians do constantly. Without rejecting the truth of what Clark said, he rejected the so-called "inartful" phrase that being shot down from an aircraft is not a qualification for president. Clark's comment was both true and a direct response to Bob Schieffer's implication that Obama was not qualified to be president because he had not been shot down in an airplane.

"Under the bus" doesn't explain anything. What is significant to me is that Obama, like the rest of the politically-minded Democrats, are not willing to take the offensive on the contrived notion that John McCain somehow has some inroad to the White House because of his military record, as honorable as it might be. Instead, the Democrats, like the fawning media for the most part, are so enamoured by McCain's military record and POW status that they lack the courage and fortitude to question how this record would logically qualify him for president.

When the shoe is on the other foot, as it was in 2004, the Republicans had no problem with the Swiftboat attacks on Kerry. I'm not saying that the Democrats need to make things up about McCain, as the Republicans did to Kerry, but at least the Democrats should not be afraid to recite the facts.

If the Dems and Obama want to take Clark's voice away from him, as well as that of Jim Webb and others who are willing to cut through the BS and ask legitimate questions about McCain's qualifications, they are courting disaster in November. If McCain is required to play on the level playing field, military record included, and the Democrats get over their inability to ask the serious questions, then they can get somewhere.

As a good start, just let Wes Clark tell the truth and don't get bent out of shape when he does.

Submitted by shortie on July 9, 2008 - 7:14am.

Pick whatever words you want. Obama threw him off the campaign for telling the truth, crapped all over him, made him look like shit. I don't care what words you use. Obama massively hurt Wes. That's all that matters; you can use whatever words you want.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

Submitted by guitrock on July 9, 2008 - 2:46pm.

I hope you're wrong, but I'm not holding my breath. If Obama muzzles Clark on criticizing McCain, he will make a terrible mistake. Obama should have responded with the truth that General Clark did not attack John McCain's military service, but instead he raised a legitimate question of whether McCain's service necessarily gave the right judgment to be president. Instead, Obama caved in to political correctness and rejected a phrase which bent some people out of shape. The best advice given Obama on this blog is to "get some starch." The thought of a third Bush term in the person of John McCain repulses me. For that reason, I'm willing to hope for change in the Obama campaign. I cannot deny, however, that I am disappointed in Obama for not standing up for General Clark.

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