When in the course of human events...


Susan ClevelandOH's picture

Today, July 8th, could mark the beginning of official condoning of warrantless surveillance of law-abiding citizens in the US, not to mention foreign nationals. Much of this information has been covered by Glenn Greenwald in the past week.

Daniel Ellsberg adds his reinforcement here, explains common inaccuracies about FISA reported by the media, and urges everyone to call their Senators now and tell them to VOTE NO.

Some salient points:

Why would the current administration want this amendment to pass, if not for safety of citizens and prevention of attacks?

Using NSA to spy without judicial oversight or constraint on American citizens provides the infrastructure for dictatorship. George W. Bush has frequently said what other presidents may only have thought: “It would be a heck of a lot easier in a dictatorship, if only I were the dictator.”

Other presidents have violated the law and the Constitution in much the same way as Bush, so long as they could do it secretly, but they haven’t proclaimed that as a right of their office as Bush, Cheney and their legal advisors have done.

The oath of office they took, along with all members of Congress, was to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. I believe that, in the matters we’ve been discussing, the Founders had it right, not only for their time but for ours.

However, in all likelihood, constituents will be ignored and Senators will vote in accordance with their degree of ownership by the telecoms, as did their House counterparts earlier.

What is especially interesting are some of the comments following Ellsberg's blog. Such as:

Comment by little guy
2008-07-07 12:24:34

What if my elected officials decide to just ignore my demands as they already have many times in the past? What then Mr. Ellsberg? lol XD

I’ve got a much better idea…First, seek-out, identify, and cultivate new leadership talent that is untouchable by the elites!

Second, jettison the “anti-war” movement, it is impotent and a total waste of time and effort (I believe this is largely by design.).

Third, call for and organize a nation-wide General Strike! Nobody flyes, drives, shops, or works until these politicians are disciplined and brought to heel!

Once these things have been accomplished we can move on to other much bigger issues: destroying the military-intelligence-industrial complex; dismantling the IRS and the Federal Reserve; rebuilding the educational system; etc., etc..

Comment by Bob Bogus
2008-07-07 13:39:34

I’m afraid that people like Mr. Ellsberg will continue to be ignored until the jackboot comes down full force on the average Amerikan boobus sheeple. But by then of course it will be too late.

We are in a period of “soft fascism” and it seems it will only get worse. And I know writing or calling my congress critter will do no good because he alway votes for fascist legislation (if not also sponsoring it), and most of the people in his district approve of it or don’t care.

Comment by Eric
2008-07-07 20:11:12

I’m completely dispirited at this point. I’ve marched and telephoned and emailed and worn buttons and even dared to disturb pleasant cocktail parties about all this. And you know what? People just treat you like a crank. American people are mostly crap, is what I’ve concluded. They’re just mounds of crap, crudely molded into the shapes men or women, filling up restaurants or clogging highways or plopped in front of electronic screens, reeking in the blue light.


Comment by Gregory A. Wood
2008-07-07 21:53:14

ACT NOW! Call your Senator. Make sure your friends know and also do so. As indicated by the many points of view in the responses below, response to the threat of impending fascism is not clear even for those who recognize it. I would like to suggest that democracy depends on a recognition of the common good - enlightened self interest - If we recognize this as the aim of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights we can also see it as our national mythos that can cite to unify and galvanize Left, Right, and Center. The United States is about United States and when we can settle upon the bedrock foundation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights all the B. S. around authoritarian neo-fascist nationalism will blow away like so much dry toilet paper because it just cannot sustain credibility based on lies and fear.

Comment by Oyate
2008-07-07 22:11:38

Now, Obama supporters, now you will get your first true taste of Obama’s true character. Watch as he sells you out. As your president he’ll do it again and again.

And worse, there’s no longer any good alternative in the big two parties. Ron Paul was your last and only chance to have a man of integrity as your president in 2008.

What will you do now? What will you do after tomorrow? Will you do anything? Or will you do nothing?

So, dear friends...what do you think? WHAT NOW? Can this country be saved? What can we do? What will YOU do?

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Submitted by mad4clark on July 8, 2008 - 7:30am.

NO!

Not with McCain or Obama in the White House.

My only hope is for divine intervention that will prevent either one.

:(

“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her self.” - Susan B. Anthony, 1872


Susan ClevelandOH's picture
Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on July 8, 2008 - 7:34am.

but I'm not sure they want all of us.


mad4clark's picture
Submitted by mad4clark on July 8, 2008 - 7:58am.

Canada....just love it. Except for the winters.

“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her self.” - Susan B. Anthony, 1872


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on July 8, 2008 - 9:19am.

that the FISA vote has been postponed till tomorrow for the benefit of those senators wishing to attend the funeral of Jesse Helms today.

So, that gives us all an extra day to call and email our senators...


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Submitted by Bluemoon on July 8, 2008 - 9:24am.

Well, that should settle any doubt about who runs this country, eh? I thought your comment was from The Onion. Would that it were so. 


Susan ClevelandOH's picture
Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on July 8, 2008 - 9:26am.

that he had the nerve to die on July 4.


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on July 8, 2008 - 9:23am.

I know, but it's an important discussion and deserves a rec:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/8/6172/60898/108/548073


Submitted by CentralMass on July 8, 2008 - 11:22am.

"When patience has begotten false estimates of its motives, when wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality."
--Thomas Jefferson to M. deStael, 1807. ME 11:282

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