The (Strong) Case for Clark


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jordans11's picture

Just posted this on Daily Kos, enjoy
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/1/151249/6657?new=true

Let’s face it.

General Wesley Clark is the only Vice Presidential Candidate with Presidential campaign experience, who has military, foreign policy, diplomatic, and executive experience, with southern roots, appeal to Latinos and Hillary Clinton supporters, an existing national grassroots organization, and who will not cause the Democrats to lose a Senate seat or a Governorship with his selection.

Well...that about says it.

There is a new website up called www.ObamaClark.com which is a grassroots site where activists can go and sign a petition in support of General Wesley Clark for VP. It lays out the case why he is the best candidate, and also includes recent relevant news stories regarding Clark. It’s a well put together site with the slogan, "Securing Change for America" – a play off of Clark’s "Securing America" and Obama’s "Change." Barack has said that word 45,495,122 times since his campaign started, so it makes sense.

After Clark made his comments about McCain’s military experience, the conventional wisdom in the news media shifted from Clark as a frontrunner to Clark as OFF the VP shortlist. It may be far-fetched, but there are still extremely strong arguments for why Obama SHOULD pick the General, and I think even strong arguments for why Obama MIGHT pick the General.

First of all, as has been said before, Obama’s legacy as a President is dependent on support from Democratic Senators and Democratic Governors. It will hurt him badly to lose them.

If Kaine is picked, a Republican Governor will take over Virginia. If Reed is picked, a Republican Senator will take over in Rhode Island. If Schweitzer is picked, a Republican Governor will take over Montana. If Dodd is picked, a Republican Senator will take over in Connecticut. If Bayh is picked, a Republican Senator will take over in Indiana.

Then there are the others. If Richardson is picked, he will flounder in the VP debate (like he did in every primary debate) with 70 million people watching. If Sebelius is picked, the Hillary supporters will all cry foul, "If he was going to pick a woman, how could he NOT pick the one who just got 18 million votes!?"

That leaves Joe Biden, Sam Nunn, and Wesley Clark. Biden would be a great candidate from a foreign policy, "no BS" standpoint. He does not, however, help Obama geographically. I don’t know much about Sam Nunn except he looks a lot like Dick Cheney, so I’ll leave it at that.

Clark does not look like Cheney, and he is from the south. With the potential for massive black turnout in the south, Obama could use some additional appeal to southern white voters to push him over the top in North Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, and even Virginia. Clark is a southern, white, male, Christian, 4 Star General. It doesn’t get much better than that when you’re talking about appealing to moderate southern whites. He does help Obama geographically and has more extensive military and foreign policy credentials than Biden.

Here’s really the most important thing in my mind, however. I was talking to my uncle (a republican leaning independent) several days ago about the election. He told me that, "McCain is awful. I don’t think McCain is the answer at all. Obama though, is a HUGE question mark. I just don’t know if I can vote for him."

Obama has a chance to capture a lot of moderates who voted for Bush in 2004 who don’t like how things are going – but those people need to be REASSURED. They need to feel comfortable with Obama. They are worried about his lack of experience, and putting a Kaine or Sebelius on the ticket doesn’t seem to me a move that will ease their fears. Clark would be a reassuring force for moderates who aren’t sure about Obama. As I said before, he’s the only VP candidate with military, foreign policy, diplomatic, and executive experience. Voters will know that he is prepared to lead the country at a moment’s notice.

Clark did make a comment about McCain that probably hurt his chances at a VP selection – not because it was untrue, but because the media distorted and ran wild with it. McCain, in the last couple weeks has said that Obama would rather win a campaign than win a war, he has flat out lied about Obama’s tax and energy proposals and compared him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. The gloves are starting to come off, the polls are getting too tight for comfort (44-44% in today’s gallup tracking), and Obama needs to pick a running mate who can throw a punch and who has the credentials to reassure voters that a skinny, half African man from Hawaii named Barack is exactly who America needs to lead us in a time of uncertainty. They're a perfect fit.

www.ObamaClark.com

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Submitted by jordans11 on August 1, 2008 - 3:26pm.

My diary is at the very bottom of the rec list and needs a couple more so it doesn't slip off!

HELP!

"People who founded this country...had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." - Wes Clark


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Submitted by westcott on August 1, 2008 - 3:41pm.

You have lift off.

Nicely done, sir. :)


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Submitted by jordans11 on August 1, 2008 - 3:49pm.

for your assistance ;)

"People who founded this country...had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." - Wes Clark


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Submitted by westcott on August 1, 2008 - 3:58pm.

like a crowd."

Soul Asylum

:)


Submitted by geaux on August 1, 2008 - 5:17pm.

it seems like the Obama campaign is not at all into listening to calls from the grassroots. The campaign has become a marketing entity of enormous centralized power (political and monetary), nice logo, consistent message, very little controversy, finely oiled machine. The VP choice is in the hands of the vetters and the publicists. In some ways it worked out well that General Clark was distanced by the lack of support from the campaign after his statements on John McCain. At this point in time, the campaign is softening the Obama brand to somehow work the demographics and gain some advantage over McCain. The last thing they need right now is someone speaking the truth forcefully. In an ideal world General Clark has a lot to contribute, but it is hard to visualize a role where he would fit. Sure, General Clark may have a very different view on this, and may be sitting back and chuckling at all of the things being said about him, Obama, the Clintons, but it is probably a good place to be in right now.

Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on August 1, 2008 - 6:55pm.

You did good! :)

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Submitted by jordans11 on August 1, 2008 - 7:34pm.

"People who founded this country...had strong beliefs, but they believed in reason, and dialogue, and civil discourse. We can't lose that in this country. We've got to get it back." - Wes Clark


Submitted by eve on August 1, 2008 - 8:33pm.

I just posted this diary:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/1/21258/76813
Pleas stop by to comment and link petition too!
Thanks

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Submitted by Nick Kelly on August 1, 2008 - 10:04pm.

Wes is winning by a landslide.

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark could still secure America as a national security candidate.


Submitted by taters on August 2, 2008 - 6:13pm.

I hope all is well. Yeah Wes is way ahead, it's nice to see that. Really nice.

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

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Submitted by Nick Kelly on August 2, 2008 - 8:18pm.

much is well, my friend. as for the rest, i've known worse and it will pass.

wes has long been one of the first choices for vp at kos and
online generally. i alluded to that in a diary back in 2006.

the comments are still kind of interesting to read.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10084

Nick Kelly

Wes Clark could still secure America as a national security candidate.


Submitted by taters on August 2, 2008 - 11:09pm.

prior to posting at Kos.
Very well done and yes, the comments are interesting.

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

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Submitted by Ruth on August 2, 2008 - 12:41am.

Bloggers Pushing Wes Clark Back to the Forefront
by: Brandon Friedman
Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 20:32:10 PM EDT

Now that the hysteria has died down over General (Ret.) Wesley Clark's innocuous comments about John McCain's qualifications for the presidency, a group of bloggers are again urging Barack Obama to consider Clark for VP.

That decision is for Senator Obama alone to make, but it's good to see people rallying once again behind one of the best surrogates the pro-military, anti-McCain crowd has to offer. Matt Stoller from Open Left had this to say yesterday:

More at VoteVets


Submitted by Sybil Liberty on August 2, 2008 - 12:55am.

might this eliminate some of the doubt that Wes might not be agreeable?

mebbe?

Especially good to see this.

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Submitted by Ruth on August 2, 2008 - 12:58am.

:)


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Submitted by hf jai on August 2, 2008 - 11:42am.

I personally doubt that General Clark was ever on Obama's short list for VP. But I'll acknowledge that we can't really know for sure whether he was or not, just as can't know that he has been removed.

But it's absurd to think that a dKos diary, no matter how well written and received, or even Stoller's website changes anything.

The netroots have always tended to favor the General, all the more so when he spoke the truth about McCain on FTN, and still more when he refused to back down or apologize for telling the truth.

But it means nothing to Obama's VP selection.

Edited to add: That doesn't mean it's not a good idea to write the dKos diaries or sign Stoller's petition. Any positive publicity is a good thing. Just don't expect it to influence Obama or his VP search committee.


Submitted by haypops on August 3, 2008 - 12:25pm.

I think that you are right that Wes was never on Senator Obama's short (or even long) list. I think Obama was relieved to distance himself from General Clark.

This is where I get that crazy idea. Last week there was an article in the NY Times? about Senator Obama's 300 foreign policy advisers vs. McCain's 75. At the end of the article, Holbrook's position was detailed. He is OUT. He wants in, but he and Senator Obama's adviser (Blakeley?) have bad blood between them going back to Blakely's poor performance during the Clinton administration. If Holbrook can be left out in the cold, his close associate Wes Clark was probably never in contention.

This post is not intended to effect any one's vote in November as McCain is unacceptable.

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Submitted by PAforClark on August 3, 2008 - 3:53pm.

Steve Clemons talks about Holbrooke. Very interesting thoughts, as usual from Steve.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/08/obama_and_the_h/


"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau


Submitted by haypops on August 4, 2008 - 8:49pm.

Interesting read

Submitted by Erin on August 2, 2008 - 2:18am.

...it really took off at the evil place. :)

Submitted by taters on August 2, 2008 - 6:11pm.

that's the first time I commented since I left there. Man, that tuscany and a few others are real knuckleheads, aren't they?

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

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