to speculate!

and it makes me furious and paranoid

how can the obvious perfect choice be dismissed?

oh yeah, lying liars

I believe that the Kerry and Hagel stuff is bunk. Or should be.

I would consider an Edwards pick to be somewhat unlikely (would be interesting to know if Caroline Kennedy and crew had him "on the list" until last week)

You're right on Edwards, highly unlikely

Got a feeling if the Enquirer has been reporting on this story for a year, the vetting process would have touched on that puppy and found just what the Enquirer found....oops, it's true!

Hard to believe that only the good folks at the tabloids had this info. Once again, any others who might have been privy had to decide what to do with it. And concluded - nothing.

I still wonder why the (corp)press blacked him out in the primaries so deliberately. Frankly that was what made me give him a second look! Figured - how bad can he be if the rightist talkers and corporate press don't like him? He was 'blacked out' of most of the coverage, the way they did to Wes in the 2004 race. And he was disinvited back to Bilderberg after his one appearance before his VP nomination, which is unusual. I was really starting to soften on him after those two things came to light.... :)

The Edwards (both of them) have announced they will not be attending the convention. Unless that's some sort of cover or misdirection, I'd say the SOMW is out of consideration. But honestly, I never thought he was a likely choice. Afaik, no losing VP nominee has ever been selected by a different presidential nominee four years later. Attorney general was a more likely possibility, but I think that's out the window now too.

Fwiw, a number of talking heads have claimed to have known about the affair(s) for over a year. I do not believe the Obama campaign didn't know, or at least suspect, as well. Which begs the question, why did the media keep it secret for so long? There HAD to be a reason, it wasn't because they had no hard evidence. They don't have that kind of integrity.

Yeah, since when was "hard evidence" a criteria for the corppress to report anything.... WMD's come to mind.

See this surprising comment today from renown Hillary hater, Randi Rhodes:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16264#comment-320539

There HAD to be a reason, it wasn't because they had no hard evidence. They don't have that kind of integrity.

understatement of the year nominee! heh 

But I believe Hagel is a very real possibility.

Kerry not so much. It would be very peculiar for the nominee one year to accept the 2nd seat four years later. 'Course, Kerry is a peculiar guy...

Hi hf!
I thought Hagel was a real possibility till learning just now that he plans to be out of the country during both conventions.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/12/veep-stakes-cross-hagel-off-the-obama-list/

"When you can do good, you should do it."

I forgot about Kerry. What a screwed up move it would be if it was Kerry.

At the risk of sounding cynical, despite the disavowals, I have a feeling that the FTN comment was bait. That is after all a gambit others have used, get a surrogate to deliver a message and then disavow it. Main thing is Wes was dead on and he didn't back down. If it works out this time, Wes is the kind of candidate the top man can say, "I don't tell him what to think and he can speak for himself." Let the pundits try to drive a wedge. Won't work. Just a thought.

"When you can do good, you should do it."

Hagel is a good man and the best spokesman in the Senate on the Iraq war. His comment on the floor to those senators on the fence about Iraq was that if they wanted an easy job, "go sell shoes." He and General Clark are good buddies. Obama would dictate the politics, Hagel's conservative leanings would not be relevant unless he had to take the office of President.

I would want Obama to pick Clark, but I would not be disappointed with Hagel.

I agree with one thing - definitely not Kerry!

Oh man ... that would be such a stupid pick by BO. An absolute field day for the GOP - they'd be celebrating in the streets.

"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln

They could just recycle all their purple bandaids from the last time.

Would be disastrous.

I sure hate that they used that theme for wed night. It got me all fired up that maybe, maybe this election the Dems could get it right. It's been hard to concentrate on anything else the past 2 days.

I understand the consensus is that it won't be Gen Clark ... but the dreamer in me just won't let the thought die. Just make the pick already...

At least it's good to see you friends : )

"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln

until that plus sized woman croons, as they say.

I am just wondering though.... being that they decided to have McCaskill and Pelosi OPEN the deal with a speech about the new direction of the Dem party - that is reaching out to Repubs and Independents (as per the article posted earlier)...

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16284#comment-320886

--given that information, and you know the themes are decided with great care to reflect what's coming up... I am still thinking we might be getting us a republican on the ticket. Or maybe one that looks like one but carries a "D" after his name for cover. Just a (creepy) feeling that I so hope I'm wrong about!

We'll get through it!

Wes will be scarfing down risotto a la milanese while we are biting our nails...:)

I don't want to interrupt his meal (or a trip to Italy) but let's at least have the man speak.

"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln

at a tribute to Veterans- with a "Securing America's future" theme.

Ms., are you saying Wes will not be there? I haven't checked in today but your comment left me wondering.

He is "scheduled" to be at a business/economic conference in Milan Italy on Weds night.... he was on Rachel Maddow today.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16289

I guess its not definitive, but I'm very skeptical that they are smart enough to have him there. Sigh.

Hagel- might not be a disaster, technically speaking. lol

whoscounting.net 

no clark no cash know clark know cash!!!!!!!!!

.

"Electing the right people this November will be critical to securing America's future."

I'm committed to doing everything I can to help Democrats win this November--

This could mean he's about to go on the road stumping for the downticket races- DemocratS, plural....which would be an odd message were he about to be announced Veep... I'm not sure.

My patience is really being tested on this one... : /

PLEASE don't be so nit-picky!

He's cleared his calendar to do whatever it takes to accomplish his next task!

Damn, I can't get into this again; jitters growing, and I really DON'T want them! We've had enough, haven't we?

Love!

It's the jitters and the crestfallen disappointments we have all become way too familiar with that I aim to avoid!

This statement in Wes's email:

I can only do this if WesPAC has the financial resources to keep me on the road these final three months. That's why we started the "Hit The Road Fund." I need your help to make sure I can stay on the campaign trail to help folks like Charlie Brown (CA-4), Eric Massa (NY-29), and Bob Tuke (TN-Sen)

--is very telling to my mind.

Do you really think a guy about to be announced as VP candidate would be seeking funds to go on the road stumping for Congressional races?

We need to be realistic or we risk getting our Clarkie hopes dashed again in that awful cold water in the face way we know too well... :(

;-) ;-(

is thematically about securing America's future, it is about honoring our veterans and the families of our veterans... and how to make us safer and move past the divisiveness and into the future'

sounds like just one person to me, ms la! (tho I agree with your analysis.)

It could also be way of deflecting attention this week until he is announced.

Oh well... a dashed hope is better than no hope at all, right? : )

"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln

The O campaign made it clear they have no use for him. We're here to support WesPAC.

--- but you make a good point. McCain trashes Obama at every turn, yet Obama got on General Clark for trying to show that McCain is not the foreign policy expert he thinks he is.

who come swarming here to speculate about Wes being part of an O administration, as if he isn't a million times more valuable as his own man. I support Wes Clark and WesPAC, and I'm here for the projects that some people find too mundane or not sexy enough, not just the thrill of the big ticket races.

So there.

but I disagree that his influence on America and our direction would not be 1000+ more effective if he is the VP than if he is on his own as his own man.

Look at the influence Cheney had ... in the opposite direction, of course.

I like that the General takes time to do the small things and projects. But a VP nod would show some appreciation for his past work by the Dems and make his future work -even in mundane areas - that much more powerful.

And I don't think the big ticket is sexy. It's important.

"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln

"I like that the General takes time to do the small things and projects. But a VP nod would show some appreciation for his past work by the Dems and make his future work -even in mundane areas - that much more powerful."

What part of "under the bus" do you not understand!!

There *will be* no show of appreciation by Barack Obama towards General Clark in any way, shape or form.

I am more than pleased to see that General Clark is not giving up on his working for the downticket candidates. That is more important than being a lackey to Obama. Any day...any way.

And another thing, General Clark is doing more than "taking the time to do small things and projects". What he does is most valuable to the people he works his butt off for. Some, sadly, who have not appreciated his efforts.

Everybody who thinks he's on the VP list need to just *Snap Out Of It".

alright, alright. No more talk about VP and Clark for now.

... but I was just contributing my thoughts on this thread which is about Clark possibly being the VP. I don't care if you disagree with me.

"If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his sincere friend." - Abraham Lincoln

Nobody doubts that Wes Clark should be supported whether he is part of the Obama administration or not. Obama himself is not the issue. The idea here is influence. Someone with Clark's ability should be in the highest position available in the country in order that he may have the greatest influence on the strategic, policy matters that the president faces every day.

I want Clark to have the most influence possible. That's why I supported him in his 2004 campaign.

We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.

The host of "Face the Nation" has Schieffer brains.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

:)

second verse same as teh first... :)

His brother was appointed as the ambassador to Japan by Mr. Bush.

I can only do this if WesPAC has the financial resources to keep me on the road these final three months. That's why we started the "Hit The Road Fund." I need your help to make sure I can stay on the campaign trail to help folks like Charlie Brown (CA-4), Eric Massa (NY-29), and Bob Tuke (TN-Sen)

I don't think Wes would be seeking funds to travel around campaigning for the congressional candidates if he were going to be announced the Veep that same week...

Sorry, but it does stretch the imagination...

Seems it might just be another case of a "borrowed" banner slogan. :(

He ain't in the running. Thank God.

Someone - anyone, but None of the Above.

the way to do it is to dump on the one who 'had his back,' right? GREAT judgment! THE WORST!

I've been checking offshore betting lines (see my 'Wes Clark Betting Line' post) and Kerry is around 500:1. By comparison, Edwards is 400:1.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16267#comment-320604

imo - Kerry is all about Kerry. I do believe Kerry wants the VP spot. I believe one of the main reasons he went against Hillary is to try to squash the power of the Clintons in the Democratic Party. I believe that jk's ego took a hit in 2004 (when The Clintons had more power in the Democratic Party than the Democratic Party's presidential nominee did).

Also, I believe another reason why jk & bo threw Wes under the bus is because they (jk & bo) don't have a backbone. They need to take lessons from Wes on how to stand strong.

Well that pretty well gives you an indication!

I'd call that

A SIGN!

Yup.

Hagel or Kerry. That's my bet.

Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.

prob. as good as it gets

'an aid to General Clark' announced that he was withdrawing from his presidential primary campaign, right?

PS, ms la, how's birdie???

...

She hates the election season and seems to be squawking more than usual, but she has a feisty personality. She's enjoying watching the Olympics too! :)

(Bird's nest stadium and all)

I'm not going to get fired up because I don't expect that Obama will name Clark. No sense is being needlessly disappointed when he names someone else.

The convention's focus on national security matters and the use of "securing America's future" is intriguing. Of course, the media will talk about Biden, Nunn, and others who have nowhere near the expertise of General Clark. I just have to remember that making good sense is not part of the politicial process.

Why don't we just try putting all our eggs in that one basket while the country goes to hell. I know congressional races aren't as sexy, but not being able to walk and chew gum at the same time has probably already doomed us.

and is doing his best to fill it. I think there's room for more than one egg in that basket...but I also think he'd prefer the whole bakers dozen...don't you?

I meant WesPAC supporters who are only fixated on one race.

who refuse to even consider thinking about the top of the ticket race on Wes' blog while he's supporting the ticket from bottom to (horrors) top?

Just thought it would be nice if someone acknowledged all of what Wes said, not just the part that sits well.

AD NAUSEUM.

And when it comes to putting this country back on the rails, that is only the tip of the iceberg.

That's got to win some kind of prize in some mixed metaphor contest somewhere. I'm getting dizzy just trying to imagine what it actually would look like. Catching the Titanic at Pennsylvania Station? General Sherman's march THROUGH the sea? Glacial change across a railroad bridge to the 21st century?

BTW, I think it's "ad nauseam" in Latin.

Does anyone really think Bush will catch bin Ladin?

Even the GrammarSnob can get it wrong! I was going to correct you, that it really is ad nauseum, but thankfully, I looked it up. You're right. Ad nauseam is the correct spelling.

In Latin, nausea is a regular, first-declension, feminine noun, declined nausea, nauseae, nauseae, nauseam, nauseae, I think it is. (It's been a long time.) It wouldn't make much sense to use it in the plural.

I'll avoid editorializing on the fact that nausea/nauseae is a feminine word.

The Grammar Snob

are just long "a" vowels. But that's just off the top of my head. I never did learn locative and vocative correctly. And I'm not really surprised that the Romans would consider nausea feminine. And I think you're right that it's an uncountable collective noun, too.

Does anyone really think Bush will catch bin Ladin?

Shoulda looked in the grammar section of my dictionary the first time. Using terra:

Singular
Nom - terra
Voc - terra
Acc - terram
Gen - terrae
Dat - terrae
Abl - terra

Plural
Nom - terrae
Voc - terrae
Acc - terras
Gen - terrarum
Dat - terris
Abl - terris

 

The Grammar Snob

My two years of Latin in high school didn't include the locative case, and it's not included in my Latin dictionary. I wonder if Latin actually had it.

In "Et tu, Brute," "Brute" is in the vocative case. It's used to address someone in direct quotations.

The Grammar Snob

Didn't have vocative, either. My Latin grammar book is not with me now, but for purposes of "nauseam" it's irrelevant anyway.

Does anyone really think Bush will catch bin Ladin?

Actually, I bet most of us have thought about it (a lot).

In the fundraising message from Wes today, he stated:

When people hit you, you have to hit back. I won't back away from a fight, and over the years we've gotten to know each other, I know you won't either

As opposed to running away like a scared politician at the first sign that the big, bad MSM doesn't approve of one of your allies trying to make a legitimate point.

Did anybody else find it a bit ironic that this fund raising is being called 'Hit The Road Fund'? If Wes had $1 for each time he's been bounced off the bottom of the bus this last month, he wouldn't need to do any fund raising for the next 10 years.

That the real name of this here PAC we're on is "Securing America's Future" but that it was too long for a domain name, so we got stuck with securingamerica.com. Anyone know for sure?

Does anyone really think Bush will catch bin Ladin?

Exactly correct

Your little cybersquatting turned out to be a bad investment.

Thanks, Kat.

Does anyone really think Bush will catch bin Ladin?

What if someone really awful had hijacked it.

We just have to make sure not to make Stan mad.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

There goes all that extra money we sent here after the "Clark kerfuffle"?

Maybe Stan will settle for a sub-cabinet level post?

Does anyone really think Bush will catch bin Ladin?

"Director" of communications? Master of ceremonies?

We're at his mercy.

I'm bucking for Chief Nap Officer. No, wait. The CNO acronym is already taken (Chief of Naval Operations). How about Slug-in-Chief?

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!

It would help Obama in the swing state of Indiana. Other than that, what a boring ticket. Politics as usual.

Not a good grade for a Democrat. Biden's is much better. I think his grade was from 90% to 95%.

from the League....

How's that for some (climate) change you can believe in? :)

Would be such a boring,weak ticket.