Hillary Clinton to urge release of delegates
Submitted by kevin22262 on August 24, 2008 - 10:51pm.
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To all who still hold out "hope" for Hillary Clinton to be nominated as Prez or VP or are just so pissed off that you will do anything to harm Barack Obama and Joe Biden and in doing so, also hurt this country.... PLEASE stop!
Hillary Clinton wants all of us to back Barack Obama and Joe Biden. The longer this puma nonsense goes on, the more it will damage Hillary Clinton personally, politically and professionally.
Hillary Clinton to urge release of delegates
BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAUSunday, August 24th 2008, 5:15 PM
WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton is expected to release her delegates and urge them to vote for Barack Obama...
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"She is going to strongly encourage everyone to support Obama," said a party official made aware of Clinton's plans.
Recent polls shows that the majority of Clinton backers already have moved into the Obama camp, but there are still some rogue holdouts the Clintons hope to convert - or at least silence.
Clinton's former chief strategist Geoff Garin, a pollster by trade, said last week that about 18% of Clinton's supporters say they won't vote for Obama and will back John McCain.
Clinton is set to meet with her pledged delegates and urge them to support Obama, even though she will have her name symbolically in the roll call vote on Thursday."She ran a great campaign and she has earned the roll call vote," said a top Obama aide.
It sounds like she does not want her delegates to vote for her at all. I believe she would like to make this a quick and painless event, so that we Democrats can move forward with getting Obama/Biden elected and start fixing this country.
In response to mccain's ad using Hillary Clinton to attack Obama and Biden:
CLINTON PRESS OFFICE RESPONSE TO MCCAIN AD
The following is a statement released today by Hillary Clinton's Spokeswoman Kathleen Strand in response to the McCain campaign's new ad "Passed Over."
"Hillary Clinton's support of Barack Obama is clear. She has said repeatedly that Barack Obama and she share a commitment to changing the direction of the country, getting us out of Iraq, and expanding access to health care. John McCain doesn't. It's interesting how those remarks didn't make it into his ad."
I found that little gem at the website for one of the biggest puma people. She also had this to say:
(found by politicsmatters at myDD)
Mac's latest ad using footage of Hillary stepped over a serious line. Shes a big girl and can fend for herself. She doesn't need McCain to take up her part re: BHOs veep selection. Hell, for all he knows, BHO offered it to Hillary and she turned him down.
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don't use Hillary to attack another Democrat. She deserves better than this, she really does.
...
And when a blogger disagreed with her, she pointed out that the Republicans are not the Clintons' allies or friends.Hillary was right to speak out against the way the repugs used her in an ad. After the witch hunts the pugs led against her and Bill, I don't blame her for objecting to this BS.
The puma, noted above, has not come around, but this is a bit of a good sign.
...full voting rights have now been given to Florida and Michigan. Yippee!! Really, how stupid do they think we are?
personally, I think the Democrats would look better coming out of Denver if they didn't engage in this type of sham (which includes Hillary delegates entrusted with the voice of their voters back home voting for someone else at the Convention)
Exactly. Just like my Governor Brad Henry that endorsed Obama back in April. Hillary won the Primary here. By a pretty big margin. My Governor doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected though as he is in his second term. It might however effect his chances if he were to run for any other office such as Senator or Congress.
I don't know why he even bothered to Endorse before the convention. In 04 he had absolutely no opinion on the matter when Clark was running for President. Other then to say that John Edwards was one of his good friends. Sounds fishy to me. But I will just leave it at that.
He may figure he has no chance at the Senate. Most governors would not be willing to step down to a mere House seat.
Bucking to be one of those ubiquitous "senior administration officials."
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
I say BS to this!
"She is going to strongly encourage everyone to support Obama," said a party official made aware of
Clinton's plans."
What "party official?"
Geez, that sounds eerily familiar, as when Wes' "spokesman" leaked that he was withdrawing from the 04 race (before Wes had decided).
PS As for having a reception for her delegates, all the candidates do that (well, almost all).
if you think she is not going to strongly encourage everyone to support Obama.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
Free will is great.
You have the right to your opinion but you don't have the right to your own facts.
Let me ask this, are you planning on "dissenting" against the Democratic nominee, Wes Clark, Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party?
If so and you would rather see mccain as prez or just don't care, then please tell me how that is protecting our Democracy when we all know what has been going on in this country with gdub and will continue under mcsame.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16074
ANALYSIS: The reasons why many Hillary supporters are NOT supporting Obama now!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 13, 2008 - 3:29am.
While I believe that it is okay to have an honest dialogue about a topic, I have NEVER tried to force my own OPINIONS on anyone else which is what I definitely think that the issue of whether or not to support Obama ultimately comes down to. I am on record of respecting both points of view about that:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16282
My advice to both Obama and Clinton supporters to help achieve unity here!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 12, 2008 - 5:21am.
Please show the same respect to those who sincerely disagree with your opinion and who have points of views that while different from yours, are still just as valid as your own opinion is!
do you have that O will do any better? The "D" after his name means nothing anymore, since it's becoming merged with the "R." What used to be the Democratic Party has become the Obamacratican Party - with the Chicago and DNC gangs and major corporations pulling the strings. You can tell how one will operate in the future by looking at his past actions - or in O's case, his non-actions, since he has a way of avoiding work. This should give everyone second thoughts about this guy. But of course, what do I know.
None of the Above; Wes Clark as Secretary of State!.
You want to say that to me?
Well... the way you and some others are acting you belong with the faux news, redstate crowd.
YOU are not acting like you care one little bit about the future of this country, because YOU are basically advocating for more of the bush years.
Way to go!
p>Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
you're just here to promote trouble and get things shut down. Nice going; you're succeeding in your endeavors and your inane comments and personal slams are not worth a response. Ciao.
Obama ain't gonna happen!
You know nothing!
I have been with the Clark site since day one and it really pisses me off to see his name and site and Hillary's name being used to try and tear down Obama!
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
We can do without the name-calling. That is, unless you just intended to be offensive.
The terms of service encourage "civil" discourse.
not to push it?
Did I call anyone a name in that comment?
Did you read what was written about me, atdleft and others?
What about the lies, half truths and attacks on the Democratic Nominee who is supported by Wes Clark and Hillary Clinton?
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
"you belong with the faux news, redstate crowd."
That's insulting and name-calling. Yes, I read every post in that thread -- twice and more -- as distasteful as it was.
It's past time to stop fighting other Democrats and spend time working on the elections in November. If there are people who cannot actively (or passively) support the Democratic nominee for President, I expect they will occupy their time working for downballot candidates.
Atdleft is new and so I can understand why he doesn't know the people in this community. You have been here since the beginning. Do you really think any long-time Clark supporter is cheerleading for the Republican candidate?
Seriously?
I know that it may be baffling why some say they can't support the Democratic nominee. Maybe that's the problem -- because it is baffling, it must not feel like a 'real' reason. Whatever the reasons (and there's not just "1" that can be encompassed by a label like "PUMA") insisting that their reasons aren't valid is just an effort to objectify and belittle the problem. It doesn't solve it. Work on finding out "why" -- and work to find ways to change minds.
My momma told me you'll never win an argument by poking your finger in the other guy's eye. Perhaps it's a Southern thing, but the older I get, the wiser my Mom's advice proves to be.
It still seems that you are only picking on me and anyone who differs with the attack Obama puma crowd.
You said: "If there are people who cannot actively (or passively) support the Democratic nominee for President,"
How about people who attack and tear down the Democratic Nominee. How about people who attack the Democrtic party? How about people who advocate voting for mccain and the repugs?
You said: "Do you really think any long-time Clark supporter is cheerleading for the Republican candidate?
Seriously?"
My answer: YES! It is all around you! Look, read! Some may not come right out and say vote for mccain, but by their actions and their words that IS what they are doing!
Trust me, I have been doing my part to try and open peoples eyes. It is why I have posted the diaries that I have lately. Now go take a look at some of the comments.
Some are crying that their comments are being downrated. Well take a look at what they have done to others comments.
Anyone who advocates or supports the puma effort is advocating for mccain! That is a fact! If you can not see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
If you are going to try and police comments and diaries that object to the puma effort, then you had better do the same towards the comments and diaries that are trying to tear down Obama/Biden and the Democratic party!
I don't think Wes Clark would be to thrilled to know that his site has become a den for the puma effort by SOME of his supporters.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
I told donjo to stop and he did..... without trying to prove he was 'right" by continuing to post comments about the subject.
I have not seen any diaries advocating anyone here vote for McCain nor do I expect to. If you find them, please feel free to link to them for me. I'd be interested in discussing the matter (sternly) with the poster.
It's time to move on. Please make every effort to stop re-fighting the primary wars.
CCN is not the place to look for enemies.
Do you think that diaries and comments that attack and bash Obama and Biden, who are the Democratic nominees for Prez and VP, are equivelent to support for mccain?
Do you think that diaries and comments pushing false ideas that Hillary Clinton is only supporting Obama because she is being pressured to do so, are continuing to be written to help or hurt the Democratic nominee?
If they are being written to hurt Obama/Biden and to keep the angry fires burning, then they are effectively supporting mccain and the rethugs.
I am not re-fighting the primary wars, I have "moved on" from Wes Clark, to John Edwards, to Hillary Clinton and now to the Democratic nominee Barack Obama.
I am not looking for enemies. But, I will not stand for people using Wes Clark's site and name and Hillary Clinton's name to push their destructive puma ways.
I can not believe that you can not see what is going on here with SOME of the Wes Clark supporters.
We need to move this country forward by electing a Democrat as President. He may not be your or others cup of tea but he is our nominee, not mccain.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
To paraphrase the Ragin' Cajun: Some people here don't appreciate the value of the unwritten word.
I think you've made your point...over and over. If our administrator thinks it's been enough, I would highly recommend that you heed her warnings.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark -- Make America All It Can Be!
There is nothing I said that is near as bad as some of the attacks, slander and lies I have seen by SOME here and else where about Obama and Biden.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
Obama praised Republicans to the nines throughout the Primary....whilst dissing Dems.
He has run his whole campaign on being "post partisan"
From his preamble to his platform
A great nation now demands that its leaders abandon the politics of partisan division …
Ergo.....saying McCain/Republicans are evil goes against everything Obama stands for.
heh
Why have Obama and the New Democratic Party chose to rehabilitate the Republican Party at a time when it and conservatism has proven to be such a failure? Answer: "Because that's where the money is."
Listen, I did not start out as an Obama supporter but this is BS.
If you want to go down the line of who "supported" or talked up repugs, then we should also look at Hillary and Wes.
Obama IS NOT a republican or a repug lite. He also is not a true progressive but he IS a liberal Democrat.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
what do you expect her to say?
Hillary is being politically forced to "strongly encourage everyone to support Obama" whether she wants to do it or not:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16377#comment-323774
The Clintons have to support Obama whether they want to or not
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 25, 2008 - 1:29am.
We will not find out until AFTER the election is over what Bill Clinton really thinks about Obama while it is obvious to see that he has to "fall in line" and "play ball" right now in order to be "politically correct" and to not tarnish his legacy in the Democratic Party:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5506458
Bill Clinton Has Regrets on Campaign for Wife
Insists, 'I Am Not a Racist,' Despite Anger Over His S.C. Comments
By KATE SNOW
MONROVIA, Liberia Aug. 4, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5508611
The ex-president responds to criticism of comments made during campaign (06:03)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/04/acd.01.html
ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
Presidential Candidates on the Attack; Tropical Storm Edouard Heads For Texas
Aired August 4, 2008 - 22:00 ET
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "Mr. Clinton took particular exception to media coverage of his wife and his work on her behalf.
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I got bad press. Why? Because I told the truth. That there was a different standard applied to the finest candidate I every supported. Now, I would be glad, as soon as the election is over in January, to have this conversation with you and everybody else. I have very strong feelings about it..."
I am looking forward to hearing after the election is over what Bill Clinton really thinks which for very obvious reasons he cannot publicly say right now!
Again, what do you expect Bill and Hillary Clinton to say in public right now when they know that they will be crucified by both the media and by Democratic Party leaders if they don't "fall in line" and "play ball?"
Hillary knows that she has to "strongly encourage everyone to support Obama" right now because IF she is ever blamed for him losing, then life in the Senate will be very unpleasant for her going forward and she would probably not be able to run for President again in either 4 or 8 more years!
as I have credibly documented:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15950
Bill & Hillary Clinton have to support Obama whether they want to or not!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 1, 2008 - 3:04am.
This post credibly documents how that Hillary was forced out of the primary race against her own free will by the New York Congressional delegation and by certain Democratic Party leaders:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15707
ANALYSIS: Why I am taking Hillary's "endorsement" of Obama with a grain of salt!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 6, 2008 - 5:04am.
This post credibly documents how that when it comes to outward appearances, Bill and Hillary Clinton have to "play ball" even though behind the scenes they are clearly not happy right now:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16332
PEW POLL: 28% of Hillary's primary voters will NOT support Obama, 18% for McCain
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 18, 2008 - 1:40am.
Bill and Hillary Clinton being forced to support Obama whether they want to or not because they have to "do the politically correct thing" along with the fact that many Clinton supporters believe that Hillary lost the primary mainly because of unfair media bias against her, sexism, and the race issue are the reasons why that many Clinton supporters out of their own personal principles and consciences will NOT vote for Obama regardless of what Hillary publicly says:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16074
ANALYSIS: The reasons why many Hillary supporters are NOT supporting Obama now!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 13, 2008 - 3:29am.
Because of all these issues, many Clinton supporters view the legitimacy of Obama's nomination as being tainted in about the same way how that many sports fans view Barry Bonds breaking the home run record as being tainted.
Many Clinton supporters do not believe that Obama would have won the nomination without the help of pro-Obama & anti-Hillary media bias, the race card being played against Hillary, Hillary supporters in Congress being racially pressured to back Obama or face primary challenges (such as Rep. John Lewis in GA), and sexism in the media just like how Barry Bonds more than likely would not have broken the home run record without the help of steroids!
The view of many Hillary supporters is that a vote for Obama would be a vote to legitimize all of this and that is something that they cannot do in good conscience based on their own personal principles regardless of the issues just like how many sports fans do not recognize the legitimacy of Barry Bonds breaking the home run record and think that an asterisk should be put next to his name in the record book!
I would never vote for McCain but I will definitely be voting for a third party candidate in protest in order to punish the media for what they unfairly did to Hillary and also to punish Obama for throwing Gen. Clark under the bus!
However that decision about how I will vote is MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION ONLY!
My bottom line view is that each person definitely has to be completely free to vote their own personal principles and consciences when it comes to Obama as I explained in this post:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16282
My advice to both Obama and Clinton supporters to help achieve unity here!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 12, 2008 - 5:21am.
To Obama supporters, my advice for you is to go out and do something to help support Obama.
To Hillary supporters who refuse to support Obama, my advice for you is to go out and do something to help a WesPAC endorsed candidate which the are plenty of and which is something that EVERYBODY here can agree on doing:
http://securingamerica.com/taxonomy/term/147
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15924
Things We Can All Agree On: Helping WesPAC Endorsed Candidates Get Elected!
Submitted by kaflinn on June 29, 2008 - 4:49pm.
While I know that Obama supporters will not agree with this comment, I hope that it will at least help to explain why many of Hillary's supporters will not vote for Obama regardless of what Hillary may publicly say. It is many Hillary supporters acting on their own personal principles believing that Hillary lost the primary race for all of the wrong reasons and knowing that Hillary is being politically forced to back Obama right now whether she wants to or not. It is NOT because of "sour grapes" from Hillary losing the primary!
Can I ask a dumb question here? How do I recommend a post/thread? I have an iBook.
Thanks,
Dinger
"Just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back, up front there ought to be a Man In Black."
-Johnny Cash
I use a desktop computer so I just click on the "Recommend" button on the upper right hand column.
I have never used an iBook so I do not know if you are seeing all of the same things with that which I am seeing on my desktop.
Needs to review the rules on karma ratings. There's nothing in this post that warrants a "0" rating.
It is called attempting to tear down the Democratic nominee, which is also a way of pushing mccain.
Hillary is NOT the nominee and won't be. Hillary and Wes BOTH support Barack Obama.
Get it?
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
It doesn't say anything bad about Obama (who is not YET the nominee) or anything good about McCain. It merely expresses the author's opinions about how sincere Hillary Clinton's support of Obama is -- and that's probably not a completely fair or accurate summary, but the point is, it is the author's opinion and he has a right to post it here.
Mitch Dworkin says,
'Hillary is being politically forced to "strongly encourage everyone to support Obama" whether she wants to do it or not:'
That may be so. However, even if Obama is elected, and does not include Hillary in his administration, at all,
1. She is still a United States Senator from one of the largest states.
2. She still will have 8 years in the Senate at the start of a new administration. That gives her a fair amount of seniority.
3. She still has a reputation as being an effective, respected Senator, able to work with people on both sides of the aisle
4. She is still on the Armed Services Committee, which Obama may have to 'consult' with.
and so on.
In other words, she still will have considerable clout in policy making, especially when The One starts to show his inexperience. He will still have to deal with her, whether he likes it or not. This will be especially true if
1. She becomes Majority Leader, or
2. The Democrats are just at the edge of a 60 vote majority in the Senate.
3. Or both?
FYI, this isn't addressed solely to Mitch. I just used his entry as a convenient 'handle' for response purposes.
How she handles being screwed by the party and what ever bone they throw her is her business. It won't effect my vote.
She is not being "screwed" by the party.
She gave it her all and she lost. I was a supporter of hers and still am, but I and realistic just like Hillary Clinton, something some of you are not.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
This is NOT really about Hillary herself, it is much more about the process and the principles behind it!
Hillary lost NOT because of a serious debate over the issues which is what the primary should have been about BUT rather she lost because of pro-Obama & anti-Hillary media bias, sexism, and over the race issue as I have credibly documented:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15744
VIDEO: Dan Abrams asked about Hillary's primary loss "Is it the media’s fault?"
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2008 - 5:58pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15744#comment-309677
There is NO question in my opinion of anti-Hillary media bias...
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2008 - 6:07pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15594
Howard Kurtz & panel on Hillary's complaints about sexist treatment by the press
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 27, 2008 - 8:28am.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15230
VIDEO: African-American Hillary supporters coming under pressure to back Obama!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 9, 2008 - 11:57am.
Many Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama based on their own personal principles to not legitimize this unfair process:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16074
ANALYSIS: The reasons why many Hillary supporters are NOT supporting Obama now!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 13, 2008 - 3:29am.
Many Hillary supporters want to punish the media and others who were responsible for this mockery of a primary and NOT reward them for it with their vote!
So the bottom line IN MY OPINION is that I would never vote for any candidate who "won" under those kind of circumstances regardless of who the candidate was!
To me this is far more about the unfair process and punishing the guilty people who are responsible for it with my third party vote than it is about Hillary Clinton as a candidate. No candidate should have lost a primary for all of the wrong reasons the way how Hillary did!
For several weeks that she's released her delegates.
Until you see something directly from Sen. Clinton or her campaign, treat it as rumour.
Look, I've gotten my fair share of a ration of crap by some of the dead-enders here. You've discovered what a pain it is to be an Obama Clarkie at CCN when a certain percentage want to drive you away because of that.
What I'm saying is reality - for several weeks now there's been reports Sen. Clinton is releasing her delegates and/or will not but her name into nomination. Heck, I even posted one of the stories - and later marked it as "unverified".
I think she will do such, but I've seen so many rumours and reports on such that until it comes from her office, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
"I am asking you to come together and make sure Barack Obama is our next president. This is a critical mission." - Gen. Wes Clark
It's the new Obama-approved name for any Democrat who refuses to fall in line. Disseminated in the campaign talking points. Great way to win our votes.
Like most name-calling, it attempts to place the onus on our character so you don't have to deal with our issues. As does the whine that you are being persecuted for being an Obama-Clarkie. As long as you believe that (and I don't necessarily think you do, but it's a useful subterfuge), then you don't have to take responsibility for your bad behavior.
to be a "Dead-ender." Especially if it means that one is against nominating and electing someone with absolutely no experience, ethics, or humility. Both McCain and Obama fit this bill. Where do I get my badge and t-shirt?
Dead-enders Unite!
"Sir Wesley Clark"
Wesley Clark, U.S. General and NATO Supreme Allied Commander in Europe made Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire March 28, 2000
Has a ring of nobility to it which matches the man. Plus, he earned it.
I guess that term didn't pass muster
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1124667,CST-NWS-dem25.article
DENVER -- A black Hillary Clinton delegate on Sunday accused state Senate President Emil Jones of calling her an "Uncle Tom."
Jones -- Barack Obama's political mentor -- denied using the racially loaded slur against Chicago political consultant Delmarie Cobb, but two aldermen who said they witnessed the Saturday night exchange back up Cobb's account.
"If people are still making digs at the Hillary Clinton people because we supported her, that is not going to bring us on board. It makes us feel as though we're outsiders, and we're Democrats," Cobb said. "The litmus test for being black is [seen as] supporting Barack."
I think the pile-on in replies to this shows quite well the harassment the Obama Clarkies get here - and from the same people as well.
And after being called a "cultist", "kool-aid drinker", "obot", "obamabot", or whatever cute name is used to try and demean Obama supporters, I don't have a lot of sympathy for complaints of name calling. Look at the beam in your own eye before talking about the mote in someone elses.
In the meantime, thank you for providing proof of my claim
Poor baby. Piled upon by all the "dead-enders."
Or maybe... what I wrote struck a chord?
Did anyone of the so-called pilers-on say anything about you being any of the names you are quoting ("cultist", "kool-aid drinker", "obot", "obamabot" etc)?
Nope, don't think so.
Not saying they haven't elsewhere. Just saying that what they've posted here proves NOTHING about your poor-me point about getting a ration of crap for supporting Obama. Not one of them said a single thing about you or any other Obama supporter. But you probably feel better thinking that's what we all really meant.
Spare me.
Rude? How?
Kat, I feel your bias is really starting to show here. You're better than that usually, and I really do not feel I was rude at all.
Calling ANY Clarkie a "cultist" or "kool-aid drinker".
Which I've HAD fellow Clarkies call me. Without anyone calling them rude either.
That being said, I used the term as a descriptive. It wasn't intended to be rude. If I wanted to go that route, (which honestly I do not), I would said something different. That being said, I'll refrain from using that term in the future
A dead-ender is a ne'er do well. Someone's whose life is headed for a dead-end. Rumsfeld popularized the current usage of the word, and he was describing suicide bombers in Baghdad.
Cultist and kool-aid drinker at least describe behavior associated with following charismatic leaders. Look up "cult of personality" in wikipedia, for example. I have never used those words about you, but if the shoe fits....
Hillary has exhibited a lot of class in dealing with Obama since the end of the campaign.
She received as many votes during the campaign as he did and has a resposibility to the many people who voted for her and donated to and worked for her campaign. Having her name entered for nomination at the convention is an accepted practice. It has occurred in most of the recent convention.
I have no doubt that she will handle the evening with the utmost class and that her speech will be a highlight of the convention.
When many of us who supported her do not vote for Obama in Novemeber, it will be against her wishes.
Obama, IMO, has proved to be a class less winner.
to coming out of Denver even stronger!