Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:01 -0400
this evening it sounds like Hillary is going to be giving one barn burner of a speech.
tomorrow morning...guess I'll skip a little sleep tonight. I wouldn't miss this for the world.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
while the circus is in town in Denver. With the way nominees are preselected ahead of time by both parties, a nominating convention is becoming somewhat of an anachronism. Perhaps the main reason to preserve conventions is the potential bump in the polls.
That doesn't make McCain a maverick, it makes him a sidekick" - Bob Casey Jr - D - Pennsylvania
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
LOL, "in 4 months we'll have an administration that actually believes in science".
I like Mark Warner's style.
"The convention is going to work out alright, so and so is doing a great job, when so and so spoke it brought tears to my eyes, things are really going to work out alright, we are going to turn this country around....." Tra, la, la.
Wake up people, things may not be what they seem to be on the big screen! A lot of it sounds like the "promises" two years ago. What do we have now? A broken economy from funding two wars, unprecedented profits by the oil and energy industry, and more people below the poverty line.
those of us who are interested in what is happening in Denver. I, for one, don't need to wake up and resent your implication that I am stupid.
If you don't have something constructive to say, please stay silent.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
That comment certainly deserves them.
I see we're both hanging in till Hillary speaks...though I've got to admit these dang toothpicks that are holding my eyes open are starting to hurt a bit. :p
I thought Warner was the keynote speaker?
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
The quotes in the post were from recent posts and they do not match "my" reality: Denver is largely a show and people are getting fooled. Those interested in what is going on in Denver are not necessarily stupid, perhaps idealistic and unrealistic, but not stupid.
"You can't drill away the energy problem by drilling in all John McCain's backyards - even the backyards he doesn't know he has."
From watching this evening, I know that Senator Obama wants plug-in hybrids, will give me $1000 energy tax cut, and will create 5 million green jobs. Every speaker has included these points in their speech.
Time for Schweitzer to wrap it up so Senator Clinton can come on.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
"Hillary is one tough cookie"
:)
Like someone said the other day - she's one classy lady.
She did everything they wanted her to do...and more.
I hope Hillary receives the credit and respect that she deserves from the talking heads tonight.
It's time for her to have some peace.
in the audience.
Great line!
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
she asks?
...in a very good speech
"I am asking you to come together and make sure Barack Obama is our next president. This is a critical mission." - Gen. Wes Clark
Everyone here should be proud of that woman in the orange pantsuit.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
Simply excellent!
The BBC is saying that Clinton delivered her best speech of the campaign tonight.
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
but tonight was excellent.
"It takes two to speak the truth - one to speak and one to hear." - Henry David Thoreau
with a smile.
It's been a good night.
Bye bye PUMA
Incredible, dignified, smart, passionate, and she hit it out of the park!
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Clarkie since Summer, 2003
you and others can "move on" and away from your fixation with it. Seems like a good time to start preparing yourselves for the inevitable barrage of "lies" and "smears" coming from the right wing in just a few short days.
But don't you mean "ourselves?"
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Clarkie since Summer, 2003
Are you just running around here looking for places to go after someone? You haven't seen me here attacking O!. You haven't seen me here undermining Wes. You haven't seen me here promoting McCain....gawd....you'll never see that. So don't bother with this crap with me. You're wasting your time.
This pushing people to declare what they will do....who they will vote for.....who they "support" around here is getting old. Taunting and badgering people. Berating and guilt tripping on people. Boorish. Particularly by people who completely ignored Wes' advice from the get-go. Gawd. That is so rich. So....
Just stop it already. Prepare for the next round. It's gonna be a doozy.
"and she hit it out of the park!"
Too bad the pitcher on Team Donkeys is going to give away 10 runs in the last 3 innings to blow the game
Starting with whitewashing the primary results tomorrow night by not having a roll call of EVERY state and tabulating ALL the delegates.
I think they are still planning a roll call vote, but it won't matter either way.
The roll call (as it always is in the modern convention) is largely symbolic.
Sometimes powerful symbols, sometimes not... but it's never (these days) an unknown outcome.
According to the BBC the roll call will go on tomorrow night.
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
Last I heard was this:
Democratic officials involved in the negotiations said the deal would let a few states cast votes for Clinton before a move to declare Obama the nominee by acclimation.
If that is what actually happens, it is a complete sham
(oh those the pesky roolz) call for a roll-call vote, on the floor, and expressly prohibits any form of "secret voting."
Read "2008 DNC Call for Convention"
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.~Elizabeth Cady Stanton
I heard the same thing, DB but I thought I read that they would go as far as the NY delegation then suspend and she'd release her delegates to him. Kind of like the primaries - doesn't seem fair to those delegates that come in the latter states. They paid a lot of money to travel to Denver to cast their votes for HRC.
The vote will not be suspended, do that and there's no nominee!
If this is done the New York delegation will move to have Obama nominated by acclamation. No delegates will be released but you're right all delegates from states after New York will not cast their votes - both Clinton and Obama delegates. However some Clinton supporters, especially from NY, seem to like this idea.
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
According to what I heard the analysts say when the roll call got to NY, "Hillary Clinton asks to suspend the roll call, and Barack Obama is nominated by acclamation."
So, does this mean we don't have BO as the party nominee? Did he ever reach the number of delegates he needeed to be officially selected?
You need to pay attention, you're as bad as some of my students. :)
Clinton included in her motion that all votes would be counted. But that wasn't necessary, the convention nominated him by acclamation. That means its a done deal and he was officially nominated.
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
And it's probably about the 8th game I've been to. And every, every time I've been at a game, they've lost. Every time.
So it's going into the end of the 8th inning, and the Phillies are up 5 to nothing. I leaned over to my mom, Don't worry, they still have one more inning. LA can make up those 5 runs, you watch.
Top of the ninth, bap! one runner on base.. Bap again! Two on..
LA big hitter dude comes up to the plate.. BALL! BALL!! couple fouls.. and then STRIKE 3!
Phils win. 5-0. Ending my lifelong Phillies game losing streak.
So, really, anything can happen. :D
Also, my sister and her kid won some sort of contest and got to dance on top of the dugout with the Phillie Phanatic. Which was pretty fun. :D
At worst, they will ALL vote in the morning but not using a live roll call vote. Then they will allow a few token states to "cast their votes". Some would be for Hillary and others for Barack. Then they would give the tally. It would still be the vote tally from ALL the states.
Hillary and the Democrats are trying to diminish the mayhem that could happen if some of her delegates push things.
I personally think they should let the roll call go as it normally does. I have heard the same things from many Obama supporters at Dkos and MyDD.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
particularly section VIII.
Roll call is manditory, and secret ballots are prohibited.
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.~Elizabeth Cady Stanton
the rest of what I wrote?
I agree with the "rule" and so do most people.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 08
The report of our demise is premature.
PUMA isn't about Hillary. It's about a broken Democratic Party and a crooked nominating process.
Hillary gave a great speech, and hopefully she convinced some of her supporters to vote for Barack. But that has ZERO to do with PUMA.
The most electric moment of the convention so far: Hillary Clinton.
Michelle Obama, who has been shown all night long laughing and animated, is clapping but with the tightest mouth I've seen on her, as if she's totally nervous. She's constantly pursing her lips. Relax, Michelle, Hillary's on your side now.
(We keep crashing, back up site here.)
Update: She hit it out of the park. Great speech. She also outlined all the Democratic values. Not a hint of bitterness. She projects the voice of experience and leadership with supreme confidence and credibility. The consummate Democrat.
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After Tonight, The Republicans Hate Hillary Again
By Big Tent DemocratWhat a speech! In that moment, at that time, just an unbelievable speech. If you saw it, there is nothing I can write that can do it justice.
Here's my bottom line, after tonight, the Republicans hate Hillary again. It was a dagger through McCain's political heart.
Barack Obama will be the President of the United States. But remember this, the reports of the political death of Hillary Clinton were greatly exaggerated.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
She also outlined all the Democratic values.
And expects them to be carried out. She seems to expect a DEMOCRATIC prez to muck out the barn and get the job done. Hillary will be a force in the Senate holding O!'s feet to the fire on this if....IF....he should pull this out. Responsibility and accountability. I'll be right there with her. Which could be one reason for the pursed, tight lips in the audience. "Hard work". Just sayin.....
My friends, it is time to take back the country we love. And whether you voted for me or you voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose.
(APPLAUSE)
We are on the same team. And none of us can afford to sit on the sidelines. This is a fight for the future, and it's a fight we must win together.
(APPLAUSE)
I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches, advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights here at home and around the world...
(APPLAUSE)
... to see another Republican in the White House squander our promise of a country that really fulfills the hopes of our people. And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months or endured the last eight years to suffer through more failed leadership.
(APPLAUSE)
No way, no how, no McCain.
(APPLAUSE)
Barack Obama is my candidate, and he must be our president.
(APPLAUSE)
Tonight, I ask you to remember what a presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you, the American people, and your lives, and your children's futures.
(snip)
I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism. She didn't have any health insurance, and she discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head, painted with my name on it, and asked me to fight for health care for her and her children.
(APPLAUSE)
I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps T-shirt who waited months for medical care. And he said to me, "Take care of my buddies. A lot of them are still over there. And then will you please take care of me?"
And I will always remember the young boy who told me his mom worked for the minimum wage, that her employer had cut her hours. He said he just didn't know what his family was going to do.
(snip)
I want you -- I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me, or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him?
Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids?
Were you in it for that young boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage?
Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?
We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges, leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.
(APPLAUSE)
Now, this will not be easy. Progress never is. But it will be impossible if we don't fight to put a Democrat back into the White House.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/us/politics/27text-clinton.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
Clarkie since Summer, 2003
Didn't get to see much except about half of Hillary's speech.
Things that stand out:
- Not sure that orange is Hillary's color...she looks much better in yellow/black
- Hillary might have been nibling on a few too many donuts and/or chocolate since the final results...looked a bit wider in the middle (or perhaps that orange outfit just wasn't very complimentary)
- Weather forecast for Denver on Thursday has 0% chance of rain - would not have been good if the "stadium speech" had been scheduled tonight
was about the twin cities and how appropriate that twins GW and McCain were going to be there next week.
I got in my car to drive home from a friends place at the exact time she started her speech, and drove up in front of the house at the exact time she finished.
best part is it's a bad AM radio reception so it sounded like an old KDKA broadcast. Kinda like listening in on history. :)
She did great. :)
I thought she looked beautiful. I was so proud of her tonight. A class act. And Chelsea is a chip off the old block. I'm looking forward to watching her go far.
During the Texas primary, she visited some of the local universities and I got to see her once in that setting - spent at least an hour in Q/A sessions giving some really thoughtful answers to questions and patient with a few of the Texas Repub types that were there too.
Wonder if he'll pick Carly Fiorina? Could be interesting if he tries to reinforce his "maverick" reputation by going totally outside the "pick a politician" norm and also by choosing a woman and going after disaffected Hillary voters.
She's been a pretty level-headed and clear surrogate for him so far from what I've seen on TV appearances.
HP is far from 'wrecked'
When Fiorina was asked by the Board of Directors to step down in 2005, the company stated that Fiorina had put in place “a plan that has given HP the capabilities to compete and win" and that HP "look[ed] forward to accelerating execution of the company's strategy
This seems to be validated as HP stock price (HPQ) today is very near its all-time high despite the general market downturn the past 9 months.
Also, as vice-president at AT&T in 1996, she directed the strategy and orchestrated the initial public offering (IPO) of Lucent, the most successful IPO in U.S. history until then
However, I DON"T like the spying incident she was involved with/approved while at HP nor her cavalier attitude about outsourcing American tech jobs.
There was cheering when she was ousted, and her time as HP CEO was marked with near universal decline in morale thoughout the company.
There's a lot of HP workers who wouldn't pee on her if she was on fire
Stock price is a pretty brutal/unbiased evaluation of where a company is at...and it is saying pretty good
Her time was marked by a lot of acquisitions and associated job disruptions and I'm sure employees didn't like some of the outsourcing either (or her firing something like 7,000 employees with another 15,000 soon after she left)
Perhaps those employees would have preferred to work at Sun Microsystems (a direct competitor of HP) whose stock price has gone from $250 down to $9?
From:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2006-10-15-fiorina-advice_x.htm
Q: Most reports were that morale at HP was low when you left. Doesn't that fall on the leader?
A: Anecdotal reports about company morale are misleading because people talk to the people they know. To understand the employees' state of mind, you have to survey them scientifically and systematically over time. We did that.
When I left, the employees were on the same page. Was everyone delighted with everything? Of course not. Change by its nature creates resistance, conflict and, in some cases, hostility. When you are asked to transform a tradition-bound company like HP, you're going to upset some people. It required a merger. It required the layoff of tens of thousands of people. You can't make all the people happy all the time. A leader's job is to motivate people to do things that they initially resist.
has nothing to do with the success of current-day HP. They succeeded despite her. Be careful of what you speak - this is one area I have personal knowledge of and am hoping -- to goddesses -- that McCain picks her.
"...we must still put our people back into positions where our beliefs and values can be worked for. So, I'm supporting Barrack [sic] and the ticket wholeheartedly and ask you to do the same." -Wesley Clark, 8/21/08
and I don't mean to snark you, but the statement that Carly "masterminded the gigantic acquisition of Compaq" would laugh you out of the ballpark in Silicon Valley. That was a loser proposition to begin with and was just the beginning of Carleton's demise.
"...we must still put our people back into positions where our beliefs and values can be worked for. So, I'm supporting Barrack [sic] and the ticket wholeheartedly and ask you to do the same." -Wesley Clark, 8/21/08
I have some first hand knowledge of her tenure.
She was big on buzzwords like "synergy" etc.
The HP and Compaq merger had the synergy of anchor falling off the back of a ship.
She gutted the company of some of the finest engineering talent in the country. "Poised for growth' was another one of her famous lines. The only proplem is that you can't grow when all you are doing is down sizing.
She was big on "core competencies", The joke was she made our core competency 'downsizing". The company fundamentals were fine and survivied despite her hatchet.
During the height of her hatchet work she purchased two Gulf Stream executive jets for $56 million dollars. The joke was that ash trays were full on the old one. She also wanted the board to pay to have her yacht transported from the east coast to the west.
She reaped hideous sums of money and got a hideousely large golden parchute when the board gave her the boot. I missed the blessed event by a couple of weeks but I know they were literally playing the Wicked Witch is Dead in cubicles the day she got the Ax. She is very intelligent, eloquent. and attractive for that matter but she is a poster child for what is wrong with corporate America.
We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.
Clinton will get three nominating speeches, Obama will get four.
There is no official plan to interrupt the roll call at any point.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/27/roll-call-details-revealed/
Looks like you guys win everything your pee-piken heart desires....Convention was yours --except Hillary won't be our nominee.
Coonsey's World
http://coonsey.wordpress.com/
If it helps shore up "his" stinking...er sinking....poll numbers and brings the desired "unity" it's a good thing. At least one would think so. Goodness. People are busting their humps to prop this guy up. Talk about biting the hand that feeds ya.
If this doesn't work....there's always the toga party tomorrow.
Ingrates.
"pee-piken"? Wtf is that supposed to mean?
The word is pea-picking (or pickin' if you prefer). As in country folk who pick peas (and other produce) for a living.
If you want to belittle people (so good for unity, don't ya know), you might at least use google or dictionary.com to do it right.
Why are winners so bitter and mean?
O voting to give the Oil Companies 6 billion in 2005 wasn't change either.
Where did you get the copy of McCain's talking points?
Barry
Are you safer today than you were seven years ago?©
Men in general are quick to believe that which they wish to be true. - Julius Caesar
“One of the principles that we operate on in this country is that leaders are held accountable. The simple truth is that we went into Iraq on the basis of some intuition, some fear, and some exaggerated rhetoric and some very, very scanty evidence.” - Wesley Clark
“I think we're at risk with our democracy. I think we're dealing with the most closed, imperialistic, nastiest administration in living memory. They even put Richard Nixon to shame.” - Wesley Clark