General Clark
Submitted by Ruth on October 14, 2008 - 9:05pm.
General Clark,
You said, 'General Eisenhower once said leadership is "persuading the other fellow to want to do what you want him to do."' How's that going?
Best regards.
I expect General Clark to answer me. In person. (do I have to insert a smiley face?) (or a winky Palin face?)
No Palin faces of any kind please!
Syrupy sludge laced with arsenic = Sarah Palin smile...nooooo please!
Tina Fey has threatened to leave the Earth if she has to keep doing her for the next four years. Fortunately for Tina, that's not likely to be necessary.
It sounds to me (and to Susan apparently)
like you are accusing General Clark of
a failure of leadership because someone
(Barrack Obama?) is not listening to him.
Well, in my opinion, it's not General Clark
who is failing to lead here.
Or is this some kind of joke and I'm not
getting it?
Nobody thinks "he doesn't really mean it." The primaries ended and he endorsed THE Democrat, because he's a Democrat. And of course he wants to help Obama get elected. But the Obama campaign hasn't been very interested in accepting his help, so he can only do what he can only do.
Not just because Obama is a Democrat.
We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.
Obama is the only remaining vehicle to defeat McCain and no matter how one feels about it personally, that truly is the bottom line.
On the face of it, I'm sure Wes assumes that his supporters have the facility at least, to reason that out on their own. Most of them do and are actively supporting Obama, or conversely, "actively opposing" McCain. As noted above, most of Wes's supporters rarely post to his community board.
But that wasn't the question, was it?
If I don't support Obama? Noooo. Senator
Obama all by himself persuaded me that he
is not who I want for President. It's all
his fault, I'm afraid.
Does Wes feel he is leading his troops to do what he is leading them to do? Does he? I want to know his assessment.
"CCN has become the Obama Smear Network." Ruth. Oct. 10, 2008
It's a draw?.. Submitted by Ruth on Oct 7 I guess everyone can say it's a draw as long as McCain didn't reach for the red button on air. Wes said years ago he knows McCain and he is famous for throwing "temper fits" for no reason. I don't want or need a nutcase leading our country. Neither does Wes. Why didn't he?.. Submitted by Ruth on Oct 8 Could it be the Clinton's didn't lift a finger to help him in 2004? Tell me.. Submitted by Ruth on Oct 9 What did the Clinton's do to help Wes in his '04 bid? Was that my imagination? I thought I was paying attention. One thing. Anything. Defenders of wildlife..Submitted by Ruth on Oct 10 Is this true? Does Palin endorse killing wolf pups by shooting them in the head? I missed all the Clinton support when Wes was running..Submitted by Ruth on Oct 10 Clark Community Network has become the Obama Smear Network. Terrorist. Muslim. Be. Afraid. Worse than freepers. "Barrack" [sic] Ruth, so you're 'ok' with using CCN as a: Clinton Smear Network? McCain Smear Network? Palin Smear Network? Clark Community Smear Network? Well, I'm not 'OK' with using CCN as a Gen. Clark Smear Network.
“The Obama campaign could have said they agreed with me. Go ask them why they didn’t stand up for me.” - Gen. Clark
Is this junior high or what?
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem
quite the insult to junior high-ers, don't you think? This is below kindergarten but, I guess, not surprising, considering the source. Some people just suck. They can't help themselves, I guess. :(
“The Obama campaign could have said they agreed with me. Go ask them why they didn’t stand up for me.” ~ Wes Clark regarding the McCain comment brouhaha, as reported by student blogger Jason Plautz
use the "considering the source" bit Carol?
Tossing insults back and forth doesn't accomplish much except to keep things going, don't you think?
does Mary want to recite my posts? I could recite a hundred MadforClark's posts despising Hillary before she was Wes's candidate. Don't make me.
Like I said, junior high.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem
pale in comparison to what was directed at Gen. Clark this evening.
"Gen. Wesley Clark probably the most intelligent officer I ever served with. He has great integrity, sound judgment and great kindness in dealing with people. He is a public servant of exceptional character and skill."
-Ret. Gen. Barry McCaffrey
"He is unquestionably one in a million. A professional whose perceptions are correct, whose plans are thorough and complete, whose executions are artistic, and whose success is inevitable. I have never been more impressed with an officer's talent and dedication. He should rank with men like Douglas MacArthur, Maxwell Taylor, Creighton Abrams."
-Ret. Col. Charles G. Prather IV
If something they are doing is working, then
I think you are blaming them if it's not
working. You are calling for a judgment.
Just wanted to make it clear who I see
as at fault.
Let me demonstrate: How's it working for you
and other Obama supporters in your efforts
to get the non-supporter on your side?
Now, don't you feel judged?
an ardent Hillary supporter and a former FPer at No Quarter.
Wes may not have been the only reason I'm voting for Sen. Obama but Gen. Wesley Clark is a big factor in my decision. And you know what? I'm not sure Barack deserves Wes' support but deserving or not when a heavyweight like Wes Clark weighs in, he sure as hell gets my attention.
I'm assuming you did the same at Obama's website, demanding a personal answer from the junior senator of IL as to why his campaign treated a true American hero in a manner -shall we say - less than deserving.
"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."
Gen. Omar Bradley
snip: "I'm assuming you did the same at Obama's website, demanding a personal answer from the junior senator of IL as to why his campaign treated a true American hero in a manner-shall we say-less than deserving. - taters
Taters, that's an excellent point.
“The Obama campaign could have said they agreed with me. Go ask them why they didn’t stand up for me.” - Gen. Clark
Hey, we've all been spoiled by Wes, haven't we? ;)
"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."
Gen. Omar Bradley
it would be interesting to hear what the nominee's answer to that one is. I do hope that Ruth posed that question to him and that she'll report back here with the response.
“The Obama campaign could have said they agreed with me. Go ask them why they didn’t stand up for me.” ~ Wes Clark regarding the McCain comment brouhaha, as reported by student blogger Jason Plautz
I'm assuming you did the same at Obama's website, demanding a personal answer from the junior senator of IL as to why his campaign treated a true American hero in a manner -shall we say - less than deserving.
Getting into line behind everyone else to hear that answer.
He's ignored Wes, dissed him, made it perfectly clear he has no respect for him since they talked at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. Given that every time Wes tries to communicate with Obama, he's treated like crap, I'd say that Wes is doing a pretty damn good job getting his troops to vote for someone who has no respect for him.
Wes doesn't believe that Wes is magic. He knows he can't win a battle without the proper tools. How on earth could he possibly get the majority of his supporters to rally behind a guy who shits all over him? Wes can only play the hand he's been dealt. Given this set of cards, getting the majority of his supporters to reluctantly hold their noses and vote for Obama is all he can hope to do. And Wes has pretty much accomplished that.
That's my answer for how Wes is doing. If you want an answer from Wes, you should probably email WesPAC. I doubt he'll post his answer to your question here.
We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.
what the majority of Wes' supporters have decided. Only a handful post here so CCN isn't much of a representation of the supporters opinions.
Not to pick nits or anything.
You just want to attack me by saying I don't know something--can't know something? Well, fine. But then if Ruth didn't want input, she shouldn't have posted this blog here. If what she really wanted was to ask Wes a question, then she should have done it privately via email. Otherwise, one would expect that she wants input from the peanut gallery.
You've caught yourself in some circular logic here. If you look AT THIS SITE, then one would say the majority of Wes's supporters are doing exactly what I've said. If you say that's not true, so I'm assuming you're saying that the majority of Wes's supporters are HAPPY to vote for Obama, then this whole blog post is pointless, isn't it?
Or is what you're saying that Wes's supporters are overwhelmingly NOT going to vote for Obama?
But if what you're saying is that we have absolutely no way of knowing, then there was no point whatsoever in Ruth's posting this blog publicly, because we have no way of knowing, so there's no point in involving any of us in the conversation.
We learn. We change. That's progress. If we don't do that, well, we're GWB.
I don't think he owes you or any of us an explanation about anything. I think it's delusional to think that some blogger calling out a highly decorated 4 star general would warrant a response. Especially when the question is asked so rudely.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem
I don't think I can say this without sounding a little testy. But it WOULD be very nice for us still here to hear from him directly without a request for money for someone or something.
When was the last time? The last one I remember is just after he endorsed Hillary, but there may have been one or two others.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
"We're no better than our own sense of humility."
I'm not attacking you or anyone else.
Just pointing out that we don't know because we (meaning CCN participants) have never been "the majority" of Wes supporters.
Wes had/has thousands upon thousands of supporters, the majority of them have never participated here.
We know that some here are happy to vote for Obama when the time comes, some will vote for him out of necessity (to defeat the repubs) and some will vote for McCain...so yeah, that's all we can know.
As to Ruth's post, it's more or less up to her, as it is to each of us as to what to post don't you think?
So things are not, and are not going to be, the same here anymore. And to USE his site to taunt him because his "troops" are not all in lockstep support of the Democratic nominee is disrespectful and wrong.
just accept that things get posted here that aren't always liked, or agreed with by everyone who comes here.
So have at it folks. Tis one of the reasons things will never not only be what they once were here, but will likely just keep getting worse.
Sigh
LOL...that's a joke by the way.
You gonna tell me this is one of the most fun, relaxing and informative places you visit on the nets?
We come here because once it was one of the most fun, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Old habits die hard...and believe it or not I still care about the people here, even if I don't agree with them always, and even if some of them piss me off regularly...I still care about them.
Sue me. :)
about his leadership ability to make his minions behave and worship the Mighty O. Which is seriously twisted.
Which leads me to ask Ruth, again: do you think Wes Clark OWES you something?
After getting home after 11:00 from crying my eyes out at an absolutely magnificent live performance of Les Misérables, my feeble brain can't follow the logic.
I'm also wondering what this particular blog is all about. Was it (A) designed to provoke some of the later humor? (B) Was the question at all serious? (C) Was it snide to provoke some more snideness? (If so, I missed it.)
It seems we've gotten to the point that two armed camps have been programmed to react just to the name of the poster, irrespective of the content.
I'll just continue to sit on the fence and be wishy-washy.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
"We're no better than our own sense of humility."
You rock....Others here...not so much.
Ten thousand stars to you. :)
“The Obama campaign could have said they agreed with me. Go ask them why they didn’t stand up for me.” ~ Wes Clark regarding the McCain comment brouhaha, as reported by student blogger Jason Plautz
I think it's time for you to address your supporters. Can you take a few minutes to blog here? I hope so.
Full moon tonight. :)
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. ~Gloria Steinem
candidates as we can.
He does not expect us to agree with or support all of them.
Personally, I'm supporting about 20 of them.
How about you, Ruth?
Nick Kelly
Wes Clark could still secure America as a national security candidate.
to keep this thread up? (posted)
"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."
Gen. Omar Bradley
I'm supporting two of WesPac's picks and the Big O isn't one of them.
use the man's name rather than things like the Big O...though that's mild considering some of the other crap expressions people here have used I'll admit.
General Clark deserves at least that much of a courtesy to the Democrat running for president from those who post here IMHO.
...of Eric Massa
(got a personal call from him yesterday that made my day...in addition to the favorable move in the market)
However, O! is the equivalent of dining on SPAM even if some say that is the only choice
...jumped the shark.
Sad.
Why have Obama and the New Democratic Party chose to rehabilitate the Republican Party at a time when it and conservatism has proven to be such a failure? Answer: "Because that's where the money is."
American consumer faced with prospect of having to save money instead of blowing it on the latest 60" HDTV this Christmas
I'll trade you a slightly soiled Spiderman comic for them.
Hi Ruthie.