Why so much talk about "Republican irrelevance" now is premature and dangerous!


Hello Everyone:

I definitely think that so much talk about "Republican irrelevance" and how that "The GOP is coming apart at the seams" which I am hearing a lot of right now is premature and is potentially very dangerous:

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/29/republican-party-on-brink-of-irrelevance/

April 29, 2009

Republican Party on brink of irrelevance?

Posted: 04:53 PM ET

FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:

"Senator Arlen Specter’s defection to the Democratic Party is just the latest bad news for the Republican Party. Politico suggests the GOP’s meltdown is the worst of any party’s in decades and has left the Republican party on the brink of irrelevance with few obvious paths back to power...

Here’s my question to you: Is the Republican Party on the brink of irrelevance?..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK95Es7bxcA

Ed Schultz thinks the GOP is over and out (9:20)

rghrdrgirl
April 30, 2009

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30521875/

'The Ed Show' for Thursday, April 30, 2009
Read the transcript to the Thursday show

Guests: Chris Van Hollen, Gary Peters, Grover Norquist, A.B. Stoddard, Jack Rice, John Nichols, Jonathan Cohn, Sen. Jeff Merkley

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. The GOP is coming apart at the seams. Arlen Specter‘s exit has led to some serious soul-searching among the ranks. Forget a solution for health care. Today, the GOP announced a solution to their party‘s problems: rebranding. They have a new group called the National Council for a New America.

Guess who‘s in the group? Well, we‘ve got some newcomers like John McCain, Mitt Romney. They‘ve even got a Bush in there. Little brother Jeb is in the fraternity. Mitch McConnell, Republican leader in the Senate, John Boehner, Republican leader in the House, Eric Cantor, the House Republican whip.

This is the New America? Sounds to me like it‘s a project for an Old American Century..."

There is absolutely no question that the Republican Party is having some very serious problems right now which honest Republicans like Peggy Noonan and Joe Scarborough have admitted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30755466/page/5/

'Meet the Press' transcript for May 17, 2009

MS. PEGGY NOONAN: "Look, I think what's happening with the Republicans is that great parties evolve. The Republican Party took it right on the chin in '06 and '08. It's still rocking from the hits it took. It's going to take time for it evolve and to develop the kind of talent and representation that you're talking about that isn't seen so much now, to get some congressmen and senators in the Northeast, for instance..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30535930/page/4/

'Meet the Press' transcript for May 3, 2009

MR. JOE SCARBOROUGH: "Over the past decade we've spent too much money, we've spread our armies across the globe, we've, we've changed rules on Wall Street that allows, you know, that allowed bankers to leverage 40-to-1. That's not conservative, that's radical. And we have to understand that and be truly conservative...

But here's the, here's the problem, though. When Republicans took over Washington--and we're not just talking about George W. Bush, we're talking about Republican Congress. When Republicans took over Congress in 2001 and the White House, we owned Washington, D.C., like Democrats do now. We had $155 billion surplus. When Republicans got out of power we had a $1.5 trillion debt--deficit. We doubled the national debt from about $5.7 trillion to about $11 trillion. Americans believe that we were spending too much money on foreign wars as well. We, we were the world's 911. We got away from the basics that Eddie and I worked on in the 1990s: balancing the budget, reforming welfare and adopting Colin Powell. You want to know a true conservative on foreign policy? It's Colin Powell, who says we go to war sparingly, and when we go to war we fight to win so we can bring our troops home. We've gotten away from that. And it's not just been one Republican, it's been the entire party. We've got to refocus... We have not been conservative as a party, we've been radical..."

However on this same program, Joe Scarborough also made some valid points about how the Republican Party has come back from past defeats after looking dead in 1964 and 1974 along with some 2010 Democratic candidates who are probably vulnerable like Chris Dodd in CT and David Paterson in NY:

MR. JOE SCARBOROUGH: "But look what's happening right now. This always happens, like Ed says. Republicans were dead in 1964, they were dead in 1974. They're dead again, we hear. But just look at Connecticut, the, the bluest of the blue states; you've got a senator, Chris Dodd, down by 16 points. Look in Illinois, another blue state; you've got Mark Kirk doing very well against all Democratic comers, another Republican moderate. Look, look in Pennsylvania, Tom Ridge. If, if Tom Ridge gets in, that's a guy that's probably going to win that state also. Even New York state, thank to, thanks to David Paterson, is a state that could very well go Republican. So there's always a back and forth..."

Here is the Meet The Press video link to watch this entire realistic dialogue of Joe Scarborough:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/30546685#30546685 (11:11)

Scarborough: GOP 'got away from the basics'
May 3: MSNBC's Joe Scarborough and former RNC Chair Ed Gillespie discuss the future of the Republican Party with NBC's David Gregory. (Meet the Press)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/30546685#30546685 (11:11)

What I call "Political time" goes by very fast. The story of the Somali pirates holding Capt. Richard Phillips hostage which was the main story in the news for a lot of April is hardly ever mentioned in the news cycle right now and I am sure that Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor who is the main story in the news right now will hardly ever be talked about in future news cycles once she is confirmed.

This same principle about "Republican irrelevance" and how that "The GOP is coming apart at the seams" which are in the news cycle a lot right now will probably also change IF Obama's celebrity status with the media eventually runs out and especially IF his policies either do not work or do not work fast enough to the satisfaction of most of middle America by 2010 and/or 2012!

I completely agree with media critic Howard Kurtz that Barack Obama is "a media-certified celebrity as well as a president" right now:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/24/rs.01.html

CNN RELIABLE SOURCES

Obama Vs. Cheney?

Aired May 24, 2009 - 10:00 ET

HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: "Barack Obama remains the world's biggest newspaper, a media-certified celebrity as well as a president, which is why he's on the cover of "Newsweek" yet again this past week and his wife, Michelle, is on "Time's" cover for the third time as journalistic fascination with them shows no sign of flagging..."

If for some reason Obama loses this media-certified celebrity status, then that would probably change the entire news cycles about Obama, the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party.

But the bigger point in my opinion is that I think Chris Cillizza (who is NOT known as being conservative) got it exactly right when he told Ed Schultz "the Obama administration has staked its presidency on the economy... If the economy doesn‘t turn around, particularly in the manufacturing sector, these are the places where when Democrats stand in 2010, when Barack Obama stands in 2012, there could be a reckoning:"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30869172/

'The Ed Show' for Wednesday, May 20
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show

Guests: Ron Christie, Richard Viguerie, Joe Sestak, Rep. Ron Paul, Rep. Devin Nunes, Virg Bernero, John Feehery, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Chris Cillizza

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "It is brutal, especially the health care issue. Chris, is this a tide deal wave coming in on the Obama administration?

CHRIS CILLIZZA, “THE WASHINGTON POST”: Ed, I‘m doing a story along these lines. I talked to Paul Begala and he essentially said the Obama administration has staked its presidency on the economy. That‘s no secret. Just look at the pure political implications of this, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin; these are all states being very hard hit.

If the economy doesn‘t turn around, particularly in the manufacturing sector, these are the places where when Democrats stand in 2010, when Barack Obama stands in 2012, there could be a reckoning. Obviously, we are only. We don‘t want to say—I don‘t want to prejudge it. But let‘s be honest, that belt right there is very critical in any national election.

SCHULTZ: John, is this an opening for Republicans?

JOHN FEEHERY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Ed, it could be. I think Chris is right. This is important politically..."

Republican strategist John Feehery very quickly agreed with Chris Cillizza which I would call a bipartisan consensus being that Cillizza is more on the liberal side while Feehery is a conservative!

There is even more of a bipartisan consensus on this point that I saw with both Jonathan Alter who in my opinion is very liberal and with Dick Morris who in my opinion is very conservative!

Here is the Countdown video and transcript where Jonathan Alter told Keith Olbermann that "If Obama fails to make some progress against the recession, you could see something of a GOP comeback in 2010, 2012" and "Sure, they (the Republicans) could make some gains if Obama—if he were to somehow hit a really rocky period, they can make some gains:"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30855701#30649803 (05:39)

Cheney - GOP is not moderate
May 8: Newsweek's Jonathan Alter discusses with Keith Olbermann former Vice President Dick Cheney's comment that the GOP should stay away from moderates if the Party wants to survive.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30649803#30649803 (05:39)

Here is the Countdown transcript with the key points of this video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30686619/

'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Friday, May 8, 2008
Read the transcript to the Friday show

Guests: Margaret Carlson, Jonathan Alter

KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: "I don‘t say this a lot to anybody, and it‘s only under the most dire of circumstances, a last resort, if you will, but bear with me.

You‘re Dick Cheney. You‘ve just told me the GOP should not moderate. Here‘s my question, Lord Vader. By that strategy, what does the GOP do now and how does that lead to gains next year or in 2012 or both?

JONATHAN ALTER, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, look, things can turn around very quickly in American politics. If Obama fails to make some progress against the recession, you could see something of a GOP comeback in 2010, 2012...

ALTER: Sure, they (the Republicans) could make some gains if Obama—if he were to somehow hit a really rocky period, they can make some gains. But if you‘re talking about any long term comeback where they really become a significant force in American politics again, they‘re going to have to change; they have to update their message. And the smart Republicans understand this..."

Here is the FOX News video and transcript link where Dick Morris told Bill O'Reilly at about 4:50 into this video that if Obama's plans work, then we all have to become liberals, if they do not work, then we are all going to become conservatives, and "if Obama doesn't fail, nothing we say is going to matter:"

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/22237244/rehab-tour.htm (06:35)

Title: Rehab Tour
Published: Wed, 6 May 2009
Description: Dick Morris analyzes political implications of Bristol Palin's media blitz

Automatically Generated Transcript (may not be 100% accurate)

"Obama is going to pass the liberal agenda he made... You need somebody to -- stipulate the Republican message said when Obama fails there's an alternative and if Obama doesn't fail. Nothing we say is going to matter..."

From what I have seen so far, a consensus of credible experts are NOT sure if Obama's plans will work or not and this is going to be the main test of what will happen to the Republicans in 2010 and 2012:

1) Ali Velshi of CNN who I think is a credible business expert said "we don't know if this gets back on track:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/14/ec.01.html

CAMPBELL BROWN: NO BIAS, NO BULL

President Obama Talks Economy; Pulling Immigrant Families Apart

Aired April 14, 2009 - 20:00 ET

ROLAND MARTIN, CNN ANCHOR: "I guess the multibillion-dollar question is, is it working?

ALI VELSHI, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: We have learned, if we have learned nothing in the last six months, Roland, it's our relationship to credit, not only as individuals, but our companies and our government.

The bottom line is there is a plan to try and get those toxic assets off the balance sheets of banks, get that old garbage out and let these banks start lending again. We do not know whether that will work. There's a lot of enthusiasm about it. There are a lot of people who say it won't work.

Until the banks are able to lend again, and you and I can borrow comfortably at a good rate, even without perfect credit, not with terrible credit, but even without perfect credit, we don't know if this gets back on track. So, that's the thing that they have got to deal with right now.

MARTIN: All right, Ali, appreciate you bringing it down for us. Thanks a bunch..."

2) Ed Henry of CNN who I think is a credible reporter said about Obama's policies "it's unclear yet whether it's going to work:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/25/cnr.07.html

CNN NEWSROOM

College Campus Shooting; Swine Flu Spreading; Wildfires in the South

Aired April 25, 2009 - 19:00 ET

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: "Ed, clearly, the president and you know, our Armed services, members of our Armed Services, really between Iraq (inaudible) because they are being pulled to no end, you know, pulling people away from Iraq, away from Iraq to Afghanistan. It's tough on the military and the president and the administration knows that is.

ED HENRY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: You're right, Don. And this is one of the most important yet undercover stories and decisions that this president made in the first 100 days. We talked so much about the economy and the financial crisis and rightly so as well as Iraq, but he sent 21,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan in these first 100 days. That is remarkable and you obviously have to be concerned about what the mission is. He says he has come up with a new strategy, a little less focus on the military, long term, more on diplomacy but it's unclear yet whether it's going to work..."

3) David Gergen mentioned that "People who want President Obama to succeed. They're in his corner. But they're getting worried even to the point of being a little frightened by these huge deficits" and he correctly said that Obama is going to eventually have to take ownership of the economy from Bush in "the longer term. And over the next couple of years, it does become his economy. You know, and we went through the Vietnam War. And remember, it was Johnson's war right up till about a year after Nixon took over. And then it became Nixon's war. And you -- that's what happens. It goes with the territory of being president:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/07/acd.01.html

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

GOP Fires Back at Obama Budget Cuts; Drew Peterson Arrested for Third Wife's Murder; Chicago Deadliest City for School Kids

Aired May 7, 2009 - 22:00 ET

DAVID GERGEN: "People who want President Obama to succeed. They're in his corner. But they're getting worried even to the point of being a little frightened by these huge deficits, and I just don't see the will in Washington to cut them.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Well, it's also scary when you look at Tom Foreman's report before, that the Congressional Budget Office is saying, all right, even if you cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, which is saying what he wants to, it's basically equal to what it was last year, and then it's going to just get bigger, according to CBO. Now, the Obama administration says that figure is too pessimistic, but the Congressional Budget Office, you know, is pretty reputable.

GERGEN: It's very reputable, and it's trusted by both sides.

COOPER: Right.

GERGEN: I think that's in some ways why, Anderson, why the first 100 days were extremely important. The decisions made in the next 100 to 200 days are going to be, perhaps, even more important about what happens in the long-term health of the economy on health care.

The president has got this huge health-care package he wants to pass. We do have a system that's in meltdown, but the question becomes, how are you going to pay for it? And how are you going to make this actually work so you can bring the costs of health care down? How are you going to impose a tax plan for energy on what's called cap and trade on this economy?

And I think that's what a lot of Americans are increasingly asking. But they give credit to President Obama for helping to lift a sense of crisis on the economy. But again, we'll have to look at that big jobs number tomorrow. But they're getting worried about the longer term future.

COOPER: I read in "The L.A. Times" the other day, they're saying that, you know, it's now kind of President Obama's economy. It's now his -- it's got his name on it. Nancy Pelosi blamed the situation on what she said was the legacy of fiscal recklessness inherited by President Obama and the Congress. Can they still point to the Bush administration as being so blame for what they're dealing with now?

GERGEN: I think they can absolutely point to the Bush administration for the huge deficits this year. Part of the deficits, he inherited this economic crisis, he had to act. He had to spend. He had to create these deficits.

The issue becomes more the longer term. And over the next couple of years, it does become his economy. You know, and we went through the Vietnam War. And remember, it was Johnson's war right up till about a year after Nixon took over. And then it became Nixon's war. And you -- that's what happens. It goes with the territory of being president.

COOPER: It goes with the territory.

David Gergen, thanks. Appreciate it, David..."

4) Elaine Quijano of CNN mentioned some problems with Obama's stimulus package when she reported that "the $787 billion stimulus plan was supposed to save and create jobs. But officials in one community say, it won't be enough" and "some police officers in Columbus, Ohio, whose jobs the president said were saved by the stimulus could be laid off after all. The police chief says, when the stimulus money runs out this year, he won't have the funds to keep those officers, unless voters approve an income tax increase this summer:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/27/sitroom.03.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

North Korea Escalates Nuclear Moves; Challenging Specter

Aired May 27, 2009 - 18:00 ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "President Obama's in Los Angeles right now to raise funds for fellow Democrats. Earlier, he drummed up campaign cash in Las Vegas. And, while in Nevada, he marked another milestone of the presidency, 100 days since the enactment of the economic stimulus plan.

Let's get a reality check on that plan. How's it doing? We asked our Elaine Quijano to take a closer look.

What did you find out, Elaine?

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, the $787 billion stimulus plan was supposed to save and create jobs. But officials in one community say, it won't be enough.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

QUIJANO (voice-over): After touring a massive 140-acre array of solar panels at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, President Obama touted 100 days of the economic recovery program and its investment in energy and jobs.

OBAMA: In these last few months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has saved or created nearly 150,000 jobs. They're the jobs of teachers and police officers and nurses who have not been laid off as a consequence of this recovery act.

QUIJANO: But some police officers in Columbus, Ohio, whose jobs the president said were saved by the stimulus could be laid off after all. The police chief says, when the stimulus money runs out this year, he won't have the funds to keep those officers, unless voters approve an income tax increase this summer.

WALTER DISTELZWEIG, COLUMBUS, OHIO, POLICE CHIEF: You know the old acronym, more -- we do more with less? We're going to do less with less.

QUIJANO: The job losses would be especially biting, considering the president went to Columbus to highlight the graduation of 25 police recruits.

OBAMA: For those who still doubt the wisdom of our recovery plan, I ask them to come to Ohio and meet the 25 men and women who will soon be protecting the streets of Columbus because we passed this plan.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

QUIJANO: Now, as for all those shovel-ready highway projects the administration touted to help sell the plan, the most recent report by the Government Accountability Office said most states had yet to spend significant amounts of transportation funding -- Wolf.

BLITZER: We're watching the story for you.

Thanks very much, Elaine, for that..."

5) Drew Griffin of CNN who in my opinion is an excellent investigative reporter said in a Special Investigations Unit report that "The one thing we can't yet determine is if this stimulus bill will actually do what it is designed to do. Jump start and restore a battered economy. It is just too early to tell but we are going to keep watching to see how the government is spending your money:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/09/siu.01.html

CNN: SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT

Watching Your Money

Aired May 9, 2009 - 20:00 ET

ABBIE BOUDREAU, CO-HOST: "Thanks for joining us. I'm Abbie Boudreau.

DREW GRIFFIN, CO-HOST: And I'm Drew Griffin.

Tonight, we are talking about cash, your cash. Massive amounts of it funding government projects. The administration says it's got to spend taxpayer dollars to get the economy going again.

BOUDREAU: Right. And we're told the money is supposed to jumpstart the economy, create or save millions of jobs, and rebuild America's infrastructure. But who is tracking how your money is being spent?

In the next hour, we'll show you where your dollars are going and which projects some people are calling a total waste of money...

GRIFFIN: The one thing we can't yet determine is if this stimulus bill will actually do what it is designed to do. Jump start and restore a battered economy. It is just too early to tell but we are going to keep watching to see how the government is spending your money.

BOUDREAU: In the meantime, let us know if there are stimulus projects that you think we should look into or other stories you think should be investigated. Thanks for joining us tonight..."

6) Even VP Joe Biden said about the stimulus package “If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, we stand up there and we make really tough decisions, there’s still a 30-percent chance we’re going to get it wrong:”

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/02/06/biden-does-not-derail-agreement-on-stimulus-bill/

Biden does not derail agreement on stimulus bill
By Jimmy Orr | 02.06.09

30% chance of fail

"While discussing the president’s stimulus package with Obama advisor David Axelrod this afternoon, Blitzer played a clip from the vice president’s speech at the House Democrats’ retreat.

“If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, we stand up there and we make really tough decisions, there’s still a 30-percent chance we’re going to get it wrong,” Biden said.

“That’s not very encouraging,” Blitzer said. “A one in three chance that even if the president gets everything he wants, it’s still going to be wrong?”

“I don’t know exactly about what that math was,” Axelrod muttered before quickly launching into the administration’s line on the supersized spending bill..."

7) Peter Bergen of CNN reported that "Obama anti-terror plan could be doomed to fail:"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/27/bergen.strategy/index.html

updated 7:03 p.m. EDT, Fri March 27, 2009

Commentary: Obama anti-terror plan could be doomed to fail

Story Highlights
* Peter Bergen: Obama's new strategy for South Asia makes a lot of sense
* He says the new plan will only work if Pakistan adopts counterinsurgency effort
* Punitive raids against the insurgents have done little to aid the cause, he says
* Bergen: Pakistan must convince tribal areas that government will help them

By Peter Bergen
CNN National Security Analyst

"Right now the Pakistani establishment hasn't articulated that goal to its own people, nor has it explained how it plans to get there.

Until that happens, any American strategy to deal with Pakistan and its militants, no matter how smartly constructed, is doomed to fail..."

8) Gen. Ray Odierno specifically said to John King on CNN that we can meet the deadline that all U.S. troops will be gone from Iraq at the end of 2011 "As you ask me today." That in my opinion means this deadline is subject to change based on what circumstances may happen in the future:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/12/sotu.05.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

Situation in Iraq; Glimmer of Hope for the Economy; Obama to Allow Offshore Drilling?

Aired April 12, 2009 - 20:00 ET

JOHN KING, HOST: "And on a scale of 1 to 10, sir, how confident are you, 10 being fully confident, that you will meet that deadline, that all U.S. troops will be gone at the end of 2011?

GEN. RAY ODIERNO, COMMANDER, MULTI-NATIONAL FORCE-IRAQ: As you ask me today, I believe it's a 10 that we will be gone by 2011..."

9) Michael Ware talked about the uncertainty of our winning or losing in Afghanistan when he said "I think it's too early to say we're losing, but we're not winning. That certainly can be said for sure:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/23/acd.01.html

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

Taliban Stronger; Afghan Government Weaker; What's on President Obama's Plate for the Next 100 Days?; Two of the Big Three Automakers are Reeling Causing More Job Loss; Washington Doing Something About Health Care

Aired May 23, 2009 - 20:00 ET

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: "Are we losing right now, Michael, in Afghanistan?

MICHAEL WARE, BAGHDAD CORRESPONDENT, CNN: I think it's too early to say we're losing, but we're not winning. That certainly can be said for sure.

And Fareed's right. You can do whatever you want in Afghanistan, but the true answer is going to lie in Pakistan.

So it's time to start looking at cutting serious deals, perhaps with some people that we don't particularly like. We say that with --

COOPER: Negotiations with the Taliban, you're saying?

WARE: With the Taliban, with some other elements. And principally, I think, in some fashion, we need to find an agreement with the dark heart of ISI. That's the Pakistani intelligence agency, their version of the CIA..."

10) Even Obama fan Chris Matthews has some unanswered questions about his foreign policy and has also criticized Obama for his "spending of all that money we don‘t have:"

http://www.thechrismatthewsshow.com/html/transcript/index.php?selected=1&id=163

The Chris Matthews Show
May 10, 2009

CHRIS MATTHEWS, host: "First up, has Barack Obama found himself in a death trap? Does he really want to get deeper into that wild, ungoverned and ungovernable part of the world known as Afghanistan and Pakistan? For a frame of reference, take a look of the thinking that led us into Vietnam. He was President Kennedy on the last day of his life.

President JOHN F. KENNEDY: (From November 22, 1963) Without the United States, South Vietnam would collapse overnight.

MATTHEWS: So let's look at three big questions facing this president. Call them the three rings of fire. Number one: Is he stuck in Afghanistan? Is he doing what some say President Kennedy did in Vietnam, getting pulled in deeper? Then there's that next ring of fire. What's going on in Pakistan, especially in the old ungoverned northwest frontier. And finally, number three: how to keep Pakistan's nuclear weapons from the Taliban?...

MATTHEWS: Here's number three, and this is the worst part. The worst ring of fire, which is will Pakistan's nuclear weapons be kept in safe hands? Let me show you how confident the president sounds on this one. This was at a press conference a week or two ago, where he just stunned me with this statement.

President BARACK OBAMA: (April 29) I'm confident that we can make sure that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is secure.

MATTHEWS: Wow. How can we be?..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30521919/

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for Thursday, April 30, 2009
Read the transcript to the Thursday show

Guest: Tom DeLay, Christopher Shays, Todd Harris, Steve McMahon, Jonathan Turley, Ron Brownstein, Jonathan Allen, Sharon Epperson

JAY LENO, HOST, “THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO”: "And you give the president what?

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: I would give him an A-minus.

MATTHEWS: Well, I‘m still worried—the reason for the A-minus, I‘m still worried about the numbers, the printing of all that money lately, the spending of all that money we don‘t have. I don‘t know what the impact is going to be in the long run..."

Here is the Hardball video link to watch Chris Matthews saying this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30506096#30506096 (01:47)

Jay Leno plays Hardball with Matthews
April 30: Sideshow: During an appearance on "The Tonight Show," host Jay Leno attempted to get Chris Matthews to grade how President Barack Obama has performed so far.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30506096#30506096 (01:47)

Just like how I quoted David Gergen above how that Obama will eventually own the economy regardless of what Bush did, I completely agree with Barbara Starr of CNN that Obama owns the war as well:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/11/sitroom.01.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Top U.S. General Forced Out; Iran Frees Jailed American Reporter; Shuttle Mission Wrought With Danger

Aired May 11, 2009 - 15:59 ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "This is never a pleasant situation for the secretary of defense.

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: No it is not, Wolf, and the secretary was clearly very uncomfortable. He has fired General David McKiernan, a man who served in the U.S. Army for more than 30 years, fired as the top commander in Afghanistan after just 11 months on the job.

He had asked for more troops, he hasn't gotten them all there yet. The troops are just beginning to flow in, and he has been sacked...

STARR: This now, Wolf, is President Obama's war -- Wolf..."

Because of such a strong consensus of uncertainty among many experts about whether Obama's policies will either succeed or succeed fast enough by 2010 or 2010 to satisfy most people in middle America, I would strongly agree with the "incomplete" grade that Chris Cillizza gave to Obama on his 100th day:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/29/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

President Obama's First 100 Days

Aired April 29, 2009 - 23:59 ET

LARRY KING, HOST: "And, Chris, where do you come in on this report card?

CHRIS CILLIZZA, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Larry, I had the most time to think about it, and I'm going to give you the least conclusive answer, which is pathetic on my part.

(LAUGHTER)

CILLIZZA: But I have been watching CNN all night. And I have seen all kinds of smart people say incomplete. So, I'm...

(LAUGHTER)

CILLIZZA: I'm feel comfortable saying incomplete..."

Because we honestly do not know what will happen in the future, I definitely think that all of the talk in the news cycle right now about "Republican irrelevance" and how that "The GOP is coming apart at the seams" is premature and is potentially very dangerous!

In conclusion, I would agree with Candy Crowley's analysis of what will probably happen with the Republican Party when she said "a minority party comes back into power when the majority messes up" (it is very possible for Democrats to mess up in some way by 2010 or 2012), "As far as the White House is concerned, in general, the American people tend to switch over from Republicans and Democrats. Eight years of any one party in the White House tends to be a long time for the American people," and "it will be a while before we see the Republican Party become a majority party on Capitol Hill:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/12/acd.01.html

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

U.S. Soldier Charged With Murder; GOP Infighting Escalates

Aired May 12, 2009 - 22:00 ET

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: "It is interesting, though, Candy. I mean, four years ago, everyone was -- you know, liberals and Democrats were -- were moaning about the death of the Democratic Party and how it's never going to come back, certainly.

I mean, does all it take is, you know, one or two strong leaders or strong candidates, and then it's sort of, everything switches?

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, taking Capitol Hill first, generally, over the course of history, a minority party comes back into power when the majority messes up.

I mean, it's just -- it's cyclical. Sometimes, it takes decades. Sometimes, it takes a shorter time. As far as the White House is concerned, in general, the American people tend to switch over from Republicans and Democrats. Eight years of any one party in the White House tends to be a long time for the American people.

They tend to like the idea of change. On the other hand, there were eight years of Ronald Reagan and four years of George Bush the father. So, it's slightly different on -- on both sides. But I think it is a -- it will be a while before we see the Republican Party become a majority party on Capitol Hill..."

This in my opinion is why Democrats cannot take anything for granted right now no matter how bad or divided that the Republican Party looks and I definitely think this also means that Democrats have to do everything that they can as soon as possible while they still have the popularity and the votes in Congress to implement some version of The Fairness Doctrine in order to help weaken or shut down Rush Limbaugh. If this is not done and if Democrats lose power because Obama's policies did not work out as planned, then Limbaugh will be in control of most of the Republican Party which would mean that we will probably go right back to the extreme Neocon ideology of the Bush-Cheney years!

This is the main reason why Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to fail because that would mean he would get back the power that he had under Bush IF Democrats lose power. This is also why I think that many Democrats are making a huge mistake to just look at Limbaugh in the short term to make the GOP look bad right now at an early time in a non-election year while they risk leaving him in power over the GOP in future election years when we honestly do not know what will happen and when Limbaugh will be very dangerous IF Obama's policies do not work out as planned and if the Republicans win future elections!

Mitch Dworkin

http://www.securingamerica.com/

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16039
RESOURCES: Speeches, Articles, and Career Highlights to help define Gen. Clark!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 7, 2008 - 2:51pm.

http://www.securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191
Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight back against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 31, 2009 - 8:48am.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/04/08/dcl.harlow.soros.intv.cnn  (4:07)


Financial system collapse 4:07
CNNMoney.com's Poppy Harlow talks with billionaire George Soros about why he thinks the financial system collapsed.

Source: CNN
Added On April 8, 2009

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/04/08/dcl.harlow.soros.intv.cnn  (4:07)

Here is the CNN transcript of Poppy Harlow's interview with George Soros:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/08/sitroom.01.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Americans Fight Pirate Hijacking; U.S. to Join Direct Talks With Iran; Doctors' Ethics vs. Medical Science

Aired April 8, 2009 - 16:00   ET

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: "Billionaire investor George Soros says the financial system collapsed of its own weight.

Well, today, he sat down with CNNMoney.com's Poppy Harlow.

She joins us now from New York.

Poppy, what did he have to say?

POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don.

Well, it was a rare conversation with a billionaire investor who is certainly known around the global. We discussed the state of the economy in great detail today, specifically the collapse of the economy after Lehman Brothers failed. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE SOROS, FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN, OPEN SOCIETY INSTITUTE: You can't be in a freefall forever. It was a shock, but people are adjusting to it.

So, we are finding now a bottom. The stock market made a very good bottom in February. And that would mean that the economy might also find a bottom within three to six months.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: Well you heard it there, within three to six months, a possible bottom for the U.S. economy.

Once we do see that, though, the challenge, Soros says, Don, will be to rebuild. And he says we have recapitalize the banks, but the current system that we're seeing in terms of recapitalizing the banks, Soros he does not exactly agree with. Take a listen here.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SOROS: Right now, with the recapitalization of the banks is not going the way it ought to, because what we are doing, we are keeping a wounded banking system....

HARLOW: Right.

SOROS: ... a banking system that is effectively insolvent, alive.

HARLOW: Mm-hmm.

SOROS: So, we have zombie banks that are going to -- we are allowing them to earn their way out of the hole.

And that is going to sap the energies of our economy.

(CROSSTALK)

SOROS: There is a serious shortfall. You need probably a trillion-and-a-half dollars to properly recapitalize the banks.

I think you could raise a lot of it from the private sector, if it's properly done, but you would -- the government would have to underwrite it. And that opportunity, I think, has -- has been missed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HARLOW: You heard it there, Don. He said he thinks that opportunity has been missed.

But, to be clear here, Don, Soros is a big proponent of President Obama. He says the administration's handling of the financial crisis really deserves top marks. Really, he says, though, the only area where he would have liked to see more of a sea change from the Bush administration is through the TARP program -- Don.

LEMON: Yes, just not happy with that one thing.

HARLOW: Right.

LEMON: All right, Poppy Harlow, thank you very much for that.

HARLOW: Sure..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 31, 2009 - 8:57am.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/30096893#30096893  (09:37)


Things are looking up?  

April 7: As President Obama returns home after his trip abroad, the economy is still on the minds of many. It appears the public’s perception of the economy is getting better. Rachel Maddow talks about the findings with Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/30096893#30096893  (09:37)

Here is the Rachel Maddow transcript of this video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30110064/

'The Rachel Maddow Show'for Tuesday, April 7
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show

Guests: Paul Krugman, Mark Danner, Chuck Schumer, Hilda Solis

RACHEL MADDOW, HOST:  "Joining us now is a man who is probably going to tell me to cut the Sally Sunshine routine and get real.  Nobel Prize winning economist and “New York Times” columnist, Paul Krugman.  He‘s is a professor of economics at Princeton University.

Paul, thank you very much for coming back on the show.

PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES COLUMNIST:  Well, hi.  Good to be on.

MADDOW:  Are you here to kill Sally Sunshine?  Are you here to tell me that people feeling better doesn‘t really matter?

KRUGMAN:  Yes, basically.  I mean, you know, what are you going to say?  It‘s not—look, the trouble is—now, better to have people slightly optimistic, you know?  Sheer panic is not good for anything.  But the fact of the matter is—we have some real, real problems that are not going to go away through self-fulfilling optimism.

You know, one of the little things that‘s been reported now is the IMF has now, International Monetary Fund has upped its estimate of losses on bad loans to $4 trillion.  You know, not so long ago, $1 trillion was considered an exorbitant estimate.

So, the problem is that there‘s a lot of real underlying mistakes that were made that have landed us in this mess.  And the public‘s optimism is good.  People believe that Obama is likely to do the right thing.  That‘s all good, but it‘s not enough.

MADDOW:  Let me ask you about one other thing that looks from a distance like a silver lining that maybe isn‘t.  Last fall on this show, I remember asking you what I should watch for as an indicator rather than the Dow.  The Dow is something that people are emotionally rewarded by, that they cued in to that on a day-to-day basis.  But you suggested that watching the credit markets would be a more realistic thing to watch in terms of understanding the economy.

“New York Times” today ran something that says muted signs of life in the credit market.  Is that a reason for optimism?

KRUGMAN:  Yes.  That‘s certainly better news.  I mean, instead of things getting steadily worse—the Dow is terrible, right?  The stock market, by my count, has predicted six of the last one recoveries, right?  It doesn‘t mean anything.

But the—but these credit markets are a little bit better which still means that they are inconceivably bad by normal standard.  I mean, loans are harder to get, perfectly legitimate business projects can‘t get funded.  But that line has moved a little bit, you know, we are dropping—the overflow pressure of whatever is is dropping a little bit.

So, that‘s good.  That‘s real progress.  Some things are improving—or maybe the right way to say is that things are getting worse more slowly which is a good thing.

MADDOW:  You described though that, essentially, the main problem here is that we did some things really, really, really wrong.  We made huge errors.  And part of what has to happen now is that we not only need to recover, but we need to put things back together in a way that rights those wrongs.

What do you think the priorities should be policy-wise for the administration in fixing stuff that‘s really wrong?

KRUGMAN:  I think that we really need to completely overhaul the way we regulate the financial system.  I mean, there—one of the things—you know, we could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory here.  If we get an economic recovery but we don‘t actually fix that system, then the same thing is going to happen to us.

You know, we have—we‘ve been—we spent the last 20 years lurching from bubble to bubble—basically is the description.  And if we don‘t fix it, then, that will happen all over again.  So, we need to really tighten the regulation.  You have to make sure that people who lend money have to keep some stake in the loan so they don‘t sell off the whole thing and then forget about it.

You know, the excesses that got us to this point are ready to do it to us again even if we get out of this current trap.

MADDOW:  Do you feel like what‘s being put together thus far by Treasury Secretary Geithner and by Larry Summers and others doesn‘t take an antagonistic enough approach toward regulations but also doesn‘t set up the incentives correctly?

KRUGMAN:  Yes.  I think that they are—you know, these are smart guys.  Ask them.  They‘ll tell you.

But there is this sense that comes from the administration still that they basically see this as, well, there were a few wrong turns taken, a few things went wrong and we‘ll do some minor patches and we‘ll throw a bunch of money at this to get the thing restarted.

But, yes, I am not hearing both what—you know, what you—what‘s in the public domain and the murmurs I hear that they‘re not really looking for a root-and-branch reform which is disturbing.

MADDOW:  We‘ve heard now that they are not planning—the Treasury Department is delaying the release of the results .

KRUGMAN:  Yes.

MADDOW:  . of the stress tests for the banks.  Do you know what—why that might be?  And do you have an opinion on that?

KRUGMAN:  No.  But, I think, we can say pretty clearly if the stress tests were saying that everything was fine, they probably wouldn‘t be eager to postpone the release of that.

And, you know, this is a problem—because suppose that, you know, one of the versions that we‘re hearing is that they‘ll release some generic information but not information on particular banks.  And, boy, would that be a downer.  That will be saying that basically there is still—you know, what everyone is worried about is we talked about Japan in the ‘90s, keeping the zombie banks still shambling forward.

And there is a lot of feeling that we got our, you know, American zombie banks now on the march.  And this news was not good.  It made that scenario look a little bit more likely.

MADDOW:  Brains.  Brains.

(LAUGHTER)

KRUGMAN:  Now, I mean, what can you say, there‘s a lot of night of the living dead in the way we all talk about the economy these days.

MADDOW:  Yes, wow.  Not heartening but it‘s good to know.

KRUGMAN:  Yes.

MADDOW:  Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize-winning economist, “New York Times” columnist—thank you for your time tonight.  It‘s always great to have you on the show.

KRUGMAN:  Good to be on..."

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/despair-over-financial-policy/?scp=1&sq=The%20Geithner%20plan%20has%20now%20been%20leaked%20in%20detail.&st=cse

The Conscience of a Liberal

Paul Krugman

March 21, 2009, 7:12 am

Despair over financial policy

The Geithner plan has now been leaked in detail. It’s exactly the plan that was widely analyzed — and found wanting — a couple of weeks ago. The zombie ideas have won.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/business/21bank.html?_r=1&hp

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/zombie-financial-ideas/

The Obama administration is now completely wedded to the idea that there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the financial system — that what we’re facing is the equivalent of a run on an essentially sound bank. As Tim Duy put it, there are no bad assets, only misunderstood assets. And if we get investors to understand that toxic waste is really, truly worth much more than anyone is willing to pay for it, all our problems will be solved.

http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/2009/03/when-does-faith-in-financial-engineering-wane.html

To this end the plan proposes to create funds in which private investors put in a small amount of their own money, and in return get large, non-recourse loans from the taxpayer, with which to buy bad — I mean misunderstood — assets. This is supposed to lead to fair prices because the funds will engage in competitive bidding.

But it’s immediately obvious, if you think about it, that these funds will have skewed incentives. In effect, Treasury will be creating — deliberately! — the functional equivalent of Texas S&Ls in the 1980s: financial operations with very little capital but lots of government-guaranteed liabilities. For the private investors, this is an open invitation to play heads I win, tails the taxpayers lose. So sure, these investors will be ready to pay high prices for toxic waste. After all, the stuff might be worth something; and if it isn’t, that’s someone else’s problem.

Or to put it another way, Treasury has decided that what we have is nothing but a confidence problem, which it proposes to cure by creating massive moral hazard.

This plan will produce big gains for banks that didn’t actually need any help; it will, however, do little to reassure the public about banks that are seriously undercapitalized. And I fear that when the plan fails, as it almost surely will, the administration will have shot its bolt: it won’t be able to come back to Congress for a plan that might actually work.

What an awful mess.

Update: Calculated Risk and Yves Smith have similar reactions.

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/03/geithners-toxic-asset-plan.html

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/03/private-public-partnership-details.html

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 31, 2009 - 9:17am.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/28/ldt.01.html

LOU DOBBS TONIGHT

Swine Flu Outbreak Spreading; Arlen Specter Switches Political Parties

Aired April 28, 2009 - 19:00 ET

LOU DOBBS, HOST: "The last time any party had a so-called super majority in the Senate was in the 95th Congress, back between 1977 and 1979. During that period, Democrats had 61 seats compared with 38 for the Republicans and one Independent. President Jimmy Carter was in the White House at that time. President Reagan, of course, was elected in 1980..."

If this could happen back in 1980 after Democrats had the White House and such huge majorities in Congress from 1977 to 1979, then it could happen again IF Democrats are not very careful and if they just take it for granted that Republicans are irrelevant!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 31, 2009 - 9:30am.

If someone like Howard Fineman is this critical, then I think it is fair to say that we honestly do not know what will happen with the economy in the future:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188565/output/print

A Turning Tide?

Obama still has the approval of the people, but the establishment is beginning to mumble that the president may not have what it takes.

Howard Fineman
Newsweek Web Exclusive
Mar 10, 2009 | Updated: 8:37 a.m. ET Mar 10, 2009

Surfer that he is, President Obama should know a riptide when he's in one. The center usually is the safest, most productive place in politics, but perhaps not now, not in a once-in-a-century economic crisis.

Swimming in the middle, he's denounced as a socialist by conservatives, criticized as a polite accommodationist by government-is-the-answer liberals, and increasingly, dismissed as being in over his head by technocrats.

Luckily for Obama, the public still likes and trusts him, at least judging by the latest polls, including NEWSWEEK's. But, in ways both large and small, what's left of the American establishment is taking his measure and, with surprising swiftness, they are finding him lacking.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/188002

They have some reasons to be concerned. I trace them to a central trait of the president's character: he's not really an in-your-face guy. By recent standards—and that includes Bill Clinton as well as George Bush—Obama for the most part is seeking to govern from the left, looking to solidify and rely on his own party more than woo Republicans. And yet he is by temperament judicious, even judicial. He'd have made a fine judge. But we don't need a judge. We need a blunt-spoken coach.

Obama may be mistaking motion for progress, calling signals for a game plan. A busy, industrious overachiever, he likes to check off boxes on a long to-do list. A genial, amenable guy, he likes to appeal to every constituency, or at least not write off any. A beau ideal of Harvard Law, he can't wait to tackle extra-credit answers on the exam.

But there is only one question on this great test of American fate: can he lead us away from plunging into another Depression?

If the establishment still has power, it is a three-sided force, churning from inside the Beltway, from Manhattan-based media and from what remains of corporate America. Much of what they are saying is contradictory, but all of it is focused on the president:

* The $787 billion stimulus, gargantuan as it was, was in fact too small and not aimed clearly enough at only immediate job-creation.

* The $275 billion home-mortgage-refinancing plan, assembled by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, is too complex and indirect.

* The president gave up the moral high ground on spending not so much with the "stim" but with the $400 billion supplemental spending bill, larded as it was with 9,000 earmarks.

* The administration is throwing good money after bad in at least two cases—the sinkhole that is Citigroup (there are many healthy banks) and General Motors (they deserve what they get).

* The failure to call for genuine sacrifice on the part of all Americans, despite the rhetorical claim that everyone would have to "give up" something.

* A willingness to give too much leeway to Congress to handle crucial details, from the stim to the vague promise to "reform" medical care without stating what costs could be cut.

* A 2010 budget that tries to do far too much, with way too rosy predictions on future revenues and growth of the economy. This led those who fear we are about to go over Niagara Falls to deride Obama as a paddler who'd rather redesign the canoe.

* A treasury secretary who has been ridiculed on "Saturday Night Live" and compared to Doogie Howser, Barney Fife and Macaulay Culkin in "Home Alone"—and those are the nice ones.

* A seeming paralysis in the face of the banking crisis: unwilling to nationalize banks, yet unable to figure out how to handle toxic assets in another way—by, say, setting up a "bad bank" catch basin.

* A seeming reluctance to seek punishing prosecutions of the malefactors of the last 15 years—and even considering a plea bargain for Bernie Madoff, the poster thief who stole from charities and Nobel laureates and all the grandparents of Boca. Yes, prosecutors are in charge, but the president is entitled—some would say required—to demand harsh justice.

* The president, known for his eloquence and attention to detail, seemingly unwilling or unable to patiently, carefully explain how the world works—or more important, how it failed. Using FDR's fireside chats as a model, Obama needs to explain the banking system in laymen's terms. An ongoing seminar would be great.

* Obama is no socialist, but critics argue that now is not the time for costly, upfront spending on social engineering in health care, energy or education.

Other than all that, in the eyes of the big shots, he is doing fine. The American people remain on his side, but he has to be careful that the gathering judgment of the Bigs doesn't trickle down to the rest of us.

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/188565

Submitted by ms in la on May 31, 2009 - 3:14pm.

That they are NOT becoming irrelevant and that meme should never be taken for granted... although it is flourishing at Kos lately with the cute dinosaur logos.

But disagree with the methodology of most of these analysts.

I don't think the Republican party will have to rebuild and recreate their identity - as some say, to being the "party of ideas" again -- I don't think they will have a new fresh ground to forge that identity from due to Dem complacency or neglect so much as due to Dem naivete...

I think instead, the republicans prefer to infiltrate the opposition party and destroy from within. It's more efficient, speedy, and Machiavellian than the old fashioned way of rebuilding party identity ground up. Change a few haircuts and ties and weave your people seamlessly in to the 'other side'. Call it... I dunno - how bout "bipartisanship"? Hold the hand of your adversary, thereby keep him/her real close while killing off his proposals one by one. Co-opt just enough of the language to make the defection/transformation believable.

All that's required from the other side to let it work is the ubiquitous spirit of "reaching across aisles" and a naive yearning to blend and bend for the sake of compromise*.
(*which is referred to as "triangulation" when anyone named Clinton does same)

Then the whole process gets played out in the media as the war between republicans -- and the war between democrats-- and the war of wars between democrats and republicans... When there is really only the war: between Haves and Have Nots. We the People and the Banksters. Constituents and their elitist, out of touch, no longer "representative" government. Taxpayers ...and treasury.

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on May 31, 2009 - 3:32pm.

The original Clinton-Blair concept of triangulation, or Blair's Third Way, was not simply compromise. It was not moving right on a linear spectrum. It was jumping off the traditional spectrum altogether to find new and innovative solutions to problems.

 

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on May 31, 2009 - 5:45pm.

I completely agree with you. IF Obama's policies either do not work or do not work fast enough to the satisfaction of most of middle America by 2010 and/or 2012, then many people will probably vote Republican by default against Obama just like how so many people voted Democratic in 2006 and 2008 mainly because of Bush's unpopularity.

Democrats did not really have to run on ideas in the 2006 midterm election in my opinion. All they mostly had to do was say "my opponent is a rubber-stamp for George Bush while if you vote for me, I will stand up to George Bush and say "No" to him." That is how I think many Democratic candidates got votes pretty much by default in 2006!

The same thing can possibly happen to Democrats in 2010 IF Obama's policies either do not work or do not work fast enough. A lot of people could vote Republican by default against Obama whether they have ideas or not just like how they voted Democratic against Bush by default in 2006!

IF Obama's policies either do not work or do not work fast enough by 2010, then all Republican candidates have to say is "Obama ran on change, he had his chance, and look at what happened. If you vote for me, then I will stop Obama's massive spending, I will stop the Democrat's partisan witch hunt of Bush which is not helping you to either find a job or keep your job (if that happens which is why I agree with Obama that we need to look forward), and I will act as a real check and balance to Obama."

That is a message which the Republicans can probably sell in 2010 IF Obama's policies either do not work or do not work fast enough and that message will more than likely be dominating most of the news cycles in 2010 and/or 2012 whether or not the Republicans rebuild or have ideas of their own. That is why I definitely believe so much talk about "Republican irrelevance" right now is premature and dangerous!

Big news stories from early to mid 2009 such as the Somali pirates holding Capt. Richard Phillips hostage and Justice Sonia Sotomayor in my opinion will be "ancient history" when measured in "political time" in 2010 and 2012. At that time, the bottom line of what will probably be dominating the news cycles most of the time is whether or not most people in middle america are satisfied with the job that Obama and the Democratic majority have done so far!

As far as bipartisanship is concerned, I think that Obama has genuinely tried to be a bipartisan as possible:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17341

ANALYSIS: Why the economic stimulus compromise was as Bipartisan as possible!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 18, 2009 - 5:21pm.

The problem is that bipartisanship with far right wing GOP ideologues is NOT possible because they do not believe in any form of compromise with people who disagree with them and unfortunately they make up the majority of the Republican Party right now:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17338

ANALYSIS: Why Bipartisanship is NOT possible with far right wing GOP ideologues!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 17, 2009 - 6:21pm.

As long as Rush Limbaugh stays popular with most of the Republican Party and as long as so many elected Republicans fear him because he has 20 million plus activist followers who can either primary them or defund them, then real bipartisnaship will probably never be able to happen:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114163/Limbaugh-Liked-Not-Republicans.aspx

February 5, 2009

Limbaugh Well-Liked by Many, but Not All, Republicans

Strong majority of Democrats have negative opinions of the conservative talk-show host

by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- "Conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh is viewed favorably by 60% of Republicans nationwide, while 23% have an unfavorable opinion of him. In sharp contrast, only 6% of Democrats view Limbaugh favorably, while 63% view him unfavorably..."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/25/cnn-poll-powell-vs-cheney-and-limbaugh/

May 25, 2009
CNN Poll: Powell vs. Cheney and Limbaugh
Posted: 02:48 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

"Among Republicans, it's a different story. The poll suggests that 66 percent of Republicans have a favorable view of Cheney, 64 percent give Powell a thumbs up, and 62 view Limbaugh in a favorable way..."

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17258#comment-340494

Limbaugh's followers made GOP Rep. Phil Gingrey apologize to him

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 29, 2009 - 2:09pm.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17258#comment-340495

Rep. Gingrey's call to Limbaugh where he begged to be forgiven

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 29, 2009 - 2:21pm.

Submitted by summercat on May 31, 2009 - 6:03pm.

are itching for a comeback. 10,000 cheering Bob McDonnell at their convention Saturday. I'm working hard for Terry McAuliffe to win the D primary(I wasn't sure about him initially, but the more I've seen of him, the more I really like him--and he is a fighter, for sure.) But I don't know if any D can win the governor's election here in November. or if any D governor can get more D's in the house of delegates, which has so far stymied most of what Mark Warner and Tim Kaine wanted to do.
The General gets it right.
Competence--What a concept!

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Submitted by mad4clark on June 2, 2009 - 5:24pm.

....be irrelevant as long as the Dems continue to MAKE them relevant.....like stuffing DOD with Reps.....like framing EVERYTHING to please the Reps....no matter if it pissed off the Liberals....like "choice" and DADT and on and on

The country said loud and clear...."NO" to the Reps in 2006 and 2008. They should have been finished......but the Dems keep kow towing to them like they are still in the minority.

Freaking' amazing.

"Misogyny,..is bullet-proof. It’s not merely tolerated, it’s openly celebrated ...Except for a puny consortium of bruised and contused blamers ...even the victims of this oppression embrace it."


Submitted by Mary on June 2, 2009 - 5:52pm.

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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 3, 2009 - 7:27am.

Sometimes Democrats can also shoot themselves in their own foot. While I am not a fan of Roger Simon, I have to agree with his analysis of Nancy Pelosi:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/17/rs.01.html

CNN RELIABLE SOURCES

Reliable Sources

Aired May 17, 2009 - 10:00 ET

HOWARD KURTZ, CNN ANCHOR: "Let me turn to Roger Simon so I can bring it back to the media coverage.

It does seem to me, Roger, that a lot of reporters got tougher on or, some might even say, turned against Nancy Pelosi this week as she tried to explain her way out of this controversy.

ROGER SIMON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, POLITICO: Well, just look at her performance at that press conference. I mean, if she had hung a sign around her neck saying "I am lying," she could not have done worse.

I can't remember a worse press conference, I think, except when Al Gore went to a briefing and had to talk about his contributions to the Buddhist temple. And that was a long time ago.

I mean, she was terrible. It's not that she couldn't -- she didn't know what she said. She couldn't decide on what she didn't know what she said. And I think the media, this time, was just neutral filters for what she was standing up in front of the camera and saying or trying to say.

KURTZ: All right..."

If more things like this happen with high profile Democrats, then Republicans can possibly get back in power in either 2010 or 2012 just by their not being Democrats almost like how many Democrats won in 2006 and 2008 mainly because they were not Republicans with Bush being so unpopular!

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on June 3, 2009 - 9:06am.

This seems like old news, and the media have moved on.

 

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 3, 2009 - 2:17pm.

which is why I said "If more things like this happen with high profile Democrats, then Republicans can possibly get back in power..."

I was referring to either another Pelosi incident or if anything controversal comes up with any other high profile Democrats that we do not already know about right now!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 3, 2009 - 7:30am.

succeed domestically or foreign" on CNN was interesting to hear since he tends to lead toward the left and when he seemed to be supportive of Obama during the 2008 election:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/02/ec.01.html

CAMPBELL BROWN: NO BIAS, NO BULL

Interview With Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney; Should U.S. Get Tough With Israel?

Aired June 2, 2009 - 20:00 ET

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: "We don't know if Barack Obama's going to succeed domestically or foreign, so I am happy to punt on this question for longer than -- for longer than 125 days of the presidency..."

But I agree with him which is a main premise of this post!

As much as I definitely want Obama to succeed, we honestly cannot tell this early "if Barack Obama's going to succeed domestically or foreign" in my opinion!

IF Obama either does not succeed or does not succeed quickly enough to satisfy most of middle America by 2010 and/or 2012, then Republicans could get back power whether or not they rebuild as a party and whether or not they have ideas of their own!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 6, 2009 - 6:52am.

year from now, if the economy is at 10 percent unemployment, Barack Obama will be blamed" according to Jeffrey Toobin of CNN!

If that happens, then the Republicans can win back power and heaven help this country if that ever happens and if most of the elected Republicans still fear Rush Limbaugh!

I completely agree with this realistic analysis from Jeffrey Toobin:

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007219&docId=l:985035966&start=11

CNN

SHOW: CAMPBELL BROWN 8:00 PM EST

June 5, 2009 Friday

Mystery of Flight 447; Did President Obama Undercut U.S. Military?

Erica Hill, Jeffrey Toobin, Campbell Brown, Marc Thiessen, Mary Schiavo, Gideon Yago, Kellyanne Conway, John Ridley, Michael Ware

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: "I think you have to remember where we are in the Obama presidency, how early it is.

Early on, presidents get the benefit of the doubt. After 9/11, George Bush got the benefit of the doubt. Remember, he gave a speech in a mosque after 9/11 that got very good publicity, where he said many of the same things that Obama did.

But events matter. The war in Iraq changed everything about the Bush presidency and poisoned a lot. Obama is still so early in his presidency, that he's not really responsible for the bad things yet...

TOOBIN: But, a year from now, if the economy is at 10 percent unemployment, Barack Obama will be blamed. These events matter..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 3, 2009 - 7:31am.

and Iraq now and that "This is not about George W. Bush anymore" which I would agree with even though I do not think that it is really fair after the huge amount of damage that Bush's extreme Neocon foreign policy has caused:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/02/sitroom.03.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

President Obama Honors Reagan Legacy; Search Continues For Air France Plane

Aired June 2, 2009 - 18:00   ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "All right. Let's talk about that and more with our senior political analyst, Gloria Borger; our senior political correspondent, Candy Crowley; and our chief national correspondent, John King, the host of "STATE OF THE UNION."...

JOHN KING, "STATE OF THE UNION" HOST: And I had the Egyptian ambassador to the United States in this weekend. So I was looking at some of the Arabic media before to prepare for that interview. And it's very interesting if you look. This is President Obama's war in Afghanistan; President Obama's war in Iraq. The drone attacks have continued, if not escalated, against al Qaeda up in that never-never land of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

And Obama, in the Arabic press, is blamed for that. This is not about George W. Bush anymore. And yet he got very favorable Arabic press -- Muslim press -- about sitting there next to President Abbas chastising Israel on settlements. They do view him as more of an honest broker -- more even-handed when it comes to average Israelis.

So in terms of the media reports about him right now, it's a mixed bag..."

The wars, along with the economy, are what Obama and the Democratic majority will mainly be judged on and these issues will mostly dominate the news cycles in 2010 and 2012 in my opinion!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 4, 2009 - 5:37am.

Trying to guess who the 2012 Republican nominee will be right now is probably like trying to guess what the weather will be like on Election Day in 2012 right now! 

I really wish that MSNBC would talk much more about relevant issues that are important today instead of being so obsessed with "horse race politics" in 2012 where they have absolutely no idea about what will happen between now and then:

Hardball Video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31091971#31091971  (09:33)


Republicans gear up for 2012
June 3: A Hardball (Mark McKinnon and Ron Kaufman) panel discusses the top candidates that Republican Party can offer for the presidency in 2012.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31091971#31091971  (09:33)

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The Ed Show Video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31093014#31093014  (07:56)


GOP’s best hope for 2012   

June 3: A political panel (John Feehery, A.B. Stoddard, and Todd Webster) debates the top GOP contenders for the presidency in 2012.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31093014#31093014  (07:56)

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Rachel Maddow Video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/31094271#31094271  (01:19)


Bush/Cheney 2012?
June 3: GOP in Exile: Rachel Maddow explains how there may be another Bush/Cheney ticket.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/31094271#31094271  (01:19)

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on June 4, 2009 - 9:22am.

True, but it's still fun, and the current spate of such talk was sparked by Pawlenty's announcement that he would not seek re-election as governor. I give them a pass on this one.

 

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 7, 2009 - 10:22pm.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/07/sotu.03.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

State of the Union: Best Political Team on Television

Aired June 7, 2009 - 11:00 ET

DAVID GERGEN: "At the heart of what this is about is an attempt to shake up the Middle East with the Palestinians and the Israelis, as Jill just said, but it's also to create a new landscape in which we can begin to rebuild a moderate middle with the Muslim world.

To try to change a whole series of issues, whether it be our U.S. relations with Iran and trying to defuse that or whether it be, you know, Iraq, Pakistan, a whole series of things that we're dealing with.

One of the things this president has done, of course, is to raise the bar for his own presidency. It's astonishing how much he is now taking on himself, how much pressure he's putting on himself to deliver within just a few months, maybe by the end of the year, in all sorts of ways. We've never seen this before, John.

GLORIA BORGER: I think this is really risky, to follow on what David said. I mean, five months into this administration, he has taken on everything from peace in the Middle East to reforming health care to reforming energy to now he has got a Supreme Court justice he has got to go through, and the list grows.

This is a risk for him because none of these problems is easy. Presidents before have tried to solve these issues and have had no success. I mean, if you'll recall, the Bush administration decided not to wade into the Mideast process until what...

JOHN KING: Until very late.

BORGER: ... two years, yes? Two or three years, yes?..."

My opinion is that anyone who is sane and who cares for the country should definitely want Obama to succeed with all of these big things that he is taking on so soon!

However IF Obama either does not succeed or IF he does not succeed fast enough to satisy most of middle America, then Democrats could be vulnerable in the 2010 and/or the 2012 elections whether or not the Republicans rebuild and whether or not the GOP offers alternate ideas of their own!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2009 - 3:53am.

at any time. The question below of "Who knows what's next week?" means to me that anything unexpected can come up at any time which could be a potential game changing event for Obama and the Democratic majority:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/08/acd.01.html

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

Air France Bodies Found; North Korea Sentences U.S. Journalists; Palin's Party?

Aired June 8, 2009 - 22:00 ET

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: "But I -- you know, what is so striking again here, Anderson, is when President Obama came back from the Middle East, we all thought his -- his agenda was going to be consumed by the greater Middle East. Suddenly, North Korea...

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Yes. That was last week. This is this week.

GERGEN: That was last week, exactly.

COOPER: Yes. Who knows what's next week?

David Gergen, Christine Ahn, thank you very much..."

This is why I definitely think that so much talk about "Republican irrelevance" which I am hearing a lot of right now is premature and is potentially very dangerous!

Obama and Democrats in my opinion cannot take anything for granted at anytime no matter how good that things may look at any particular moment and regardless of what today's polls might say about Obama and Democrats because we do not know what might happen at anytime in the future which could potentially be a game changing event!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 10, 2009 - 5:13am.

in 'The Ed Show' transcript below!

Here is the main point that Vandehei is making below which I definitely think can happen IF Obama's policies either do not work or IF they do not work fast enough to satisy most of middle America by either 2010 or 2012:

JIM VANDEHEI, “POLITICO”: "That‘s what I think the Republicans are doing. They‘re laying the predicate for 2010 by saying, too much spending, too big deficits, too much government intervention.

If any of those things happen you talked about, not enough jobs being created, not enough economic growth, that message might start to resonate. Right now, it looks like total disarray by the Republican party. That‘s where it could be effective..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31186681/

'The Ed Show' for Monday, June 8
Read the transcript to the Monday show

Guests: Ralph Neas, David Lazarus, Ken Salazar, Richard Viguerie, Tom Tancredo, Jamal Simmons, Jim Vandehei, Ryan Grim, Robert Reich

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Earlier in the show, I asked you who you trusted with your health care, insurance companies or the government? More than 2,000 of you responded; eight percent of you trust insurance companies, 92 percent of you trust the government. I think the American people just want to give the government a shot at doing something and bringing in some competition.

For more on that, let‘s bring back our panel, Democratic strategist Jamal Simmons, “Politico‘s” Jim Vandehei, former Congressman Tom Tancredo.

Jim, we‘ll start with you. Do you think the president‘s going to be effective going out and ginning up a bunch of support and listening to the American people, to the point where inside the Beltway would get connected? What do you think?

JIM VANDEHEI, “POLITICO”: So far his track record is pretty good on this stuff. When goes out and when he puts his name behind a policy, he tends to get some public support behind it. I think there seems to be a big enough group of moderate Republicans that want to do something on health care, particularly in the Senate. So I think you have all the ingredients to get a health care deal.

I think his bigger problems longer term are some of the things we‘re starting to see in polling. And that is you see a little bit of unease with the public about the deficit, about the growth of spending, the intervention in these bail outs. And if any of those don‘t work and if you don‘t see job creation and you don‘t see real growth, particularly early next year, I think that‘s when he has real problems.

Right now, he‘s very popular. Put his name behind it, it certainly brings him votes...

SCHULTZ: Jim, what if they don‘t create 600,000 jobs in the next three or four months?

VANDEHEI: I don‘t know if it has to be a specific number, but there has to be clear indications that the economy is going to start to grow and that jobs are getting put back in and that they‘re not just jobs that come at a super high cost. The thing about swinging for the fences, if it works, it‘s fantastic. But if it doesn‘t work, it can be disastrous.

And Republicans—you were talking earlier in the program about what are their ideas, what are their ideas. Opposition parties usually do best by simply being the opposition party by benefiting from the majority party‘s failures. That‘s what I think the Republicans are doing. They‘re laying the predicate for 2010 by saying, too much spending, too big deficits, too much government intervention.

If any of those things happen you talked about, not enough jobs being created, not enough economic growth, that message might start to resonate. Right now, it looks like total disarray by the Republican party. That‘s where it could be effective..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 15, 2009 - 5:45am.

"Because if he does a good job, that's not good enough for this country. That's how bad the country has become:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/15/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interview with Donald Trump

Aired April 15, 2009 - 21:00 ET

LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: "Why does he (Obama) retain this incredible popularity?

DONALD TRUMP, CEO "TRUMP CASINOS": Well, I think he's sort of a guy that just has a wonderful personality, a good speaker, somebody that people trust. And I also think that the comparison with his predecessor is so different -- it's so huge that it really has made a great impact on people.

I think that he's really doing a nice job in terms of representation of this country. And he represents such a large part of the country.

I mean, to think that a black man was going to be elected president -- I watched television for years where the great political analysts were saying maybe in 50, maybe in 100 years.

Here's a man that not only got elected, I think he's doing a really good job.

Now, the sad part is that he can't just do a good job. He's got to do a great job. Because if he does a good job, that's not good enough for this country. That's how bad the country has become...

KING: There are a lot of great topics. One of them is Barack Obama. In fact, the list at the back of the book on the topics, the number one is, "Barack Obama's election ushers in a different world."

How do you assess him?

TRUMP: Well, I really like him. I think that he's working very hard. He's trying to rebuild our reputation throughout the world. I mean, we really have lost a lot of reputation in the world. The previous administration was a total disaster, a total catastrophe.

And, you know, the world looks at us differently than they used to. And I think he's trying to restore our reputation within the world. And he was handed a pretty bad deck of cards. I mean, he was given a pretty tough situation..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 15, 2009 - 6:00am.

"Ricks, a war correspondent for the Washington Post thinks that predictions that we have won the war in Iraq are too soon by far, and that we have a long way yet to go with the outcome still uncertain: "A lot of people back here incorrectly think the war is over. What I say in this book is that we may be only halfway through this thing."

This could possibly come back to hurt Obama and the Democratic majority in the 2010 and/or 2012 elections if Thomas Ricks is right and if too many people in middle America are impatient:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/thomas-ricks-war-in-iraq_n_165002.html

Thomas Ricks: War In Iraq Is Not Over (VIDEO)

Huffington Post   |   February 8, 2009 12:10 PM

Read More: Meet The Press, Thomas Ricks, Thomas Ricks On Meet The Press, Thomas Ricks Video, Video, War Wire, Warwire, Politics News

Thomas Ricks, author of the the book "Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq," which deals with the planning and execution of the Iraq War, appeared on Meet the Press to discuss his new book, "The Gamble," and the current state of Iraq.

Ricks, a war correspondent for the Washington Post thinks that predictions that we have won the war in Iraq are too soon by far, and that we have a long way yet to go with the outcome still uncertain: "A lot of people back here incorrectly think the war is over. What I say in this book is that we may be only halfway through this thing."

Watch David Gregory interview Ricks below.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29083251#29083251  (06:29)

What does 2009 hold for Iraq?
Feb. 8: Tom Ricks, author of the new book, "The Gamble: General David Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2006-2008," discusses the future of the conflict in Iraq with NBC’s David Gregory on “Meet the Press.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29083251#29083251  (06:29)

Here is the transcript of the key part of this video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29083534/page/4/

'Meet the Press' transcript for Feb. 8, 2009

MR. DAVID GREGORY: "And we're back and joined by Tom Ricks for his first interview on his new book "The Gamble: General David Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2006 through 2008."

Welcome back to MEET THE PRESS.

MR. TOM RICKS: Thank you.

MR. GREGORY: This was the first book, "Fiasco," about Iraq.  It speaks for itself.  And just to hold it up, this is the new book.  It is "The Gamble." And here was something striking that you wrote from this book, looking forward now to President Obama and his leadership test: "2009 could prove to be a particularly difficult year in the war.  `In many ways, the entire war was a huge gamble, risking America's future power and prestige on a war that, at best, is likely to be inconclusive,' commented Shawn Brimley, a former Canadian infantry officer who became a defense analyst at the Center for a New American Security.  He predicted that Bush's gamble will force Obama into a series of his own gambles and trade-offs--between the war and domestic needs, between Iraq and Afghanistan, between his political base and his military.  In sum, the first year of Obama's war promises to be tougher for America's leaders and military than was the last year of Bush's war." How so?

MR. RICKS: I think a lot of people back here incorrectly think the war is over.  What I say in this book is that we may be only halfway through this thing.  In fact, my favorite line in the book is the last line.  Ambassador Crocker, a very thoughtful diplomat, says that the events for which the Iraq war will be remembered have not yet happened.

MR. GREGORY: That is an amazing statement.  And a lot of people have to be listening to that, thinking, "Well, what's the other shoe to drop, then?"

MR. RICKS: There's a whole lot of shoes out there.  A whole lot of shoes to be thrown, actually.  This, this year we're in now, '09, is going to be, I think, a, a surprisingly tough year.  You've got a series of elections in Iraq.  Meanwhile, you've got American troops declining.  General Odierno says in the book that the really dangerous withdrawals come at the end of this year.  We're doing the easy troop withdrawals now, but down the road you start taking them out of areas that aren't so secure, that aren't so safe, that you're, that you're worried about.  So they're going to be holding national elections in Iraq just when we have fewer troops there.

MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.

MR. RICKS: And finally, none of the basic problems that the surge was meant to solve have been solved.  All of the basic issues facing Iraq are still there..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 19, 2009 - 9:17am.

is why he and the Democratic majority cannot take anything for granted. This is also why so much talk about "Republican irrelevance" and how that "The GOP is coming apart at the seams" right now is premature as well as potentially very dangerous!

If Obama's poll numbers keep on falling (especially with Independents), then Republicans can possibly get some free votes in the 2010 and/or 2012 elections by people mainly voting against Obama just like how Democrats got a lot of free votes in the 2006 and 2008 elections by many people mainly voting against Bush:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/18/sitroom.01.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

More Protests in Iran

Aired June 18, 2009 - 16:00 ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Let's move on. We want to turn the economy right now and what President Obama has in store. There are new polls that -- showing he's still very, very popular, but it appears some Americans are starting to have second thoughts about his economic strategies and what they will cost.

We know for sure they will cost a lot of money.

Let's bring in our senior political analyst, Gloria Borger. She's got more on some poll numbers that we're seeing.

Gloria, some of these numbers may be a little bit discouraging for the president.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, the good news, Wolf, as you point out, is that the president is still popular, somewhere in all these polls between 56 percent and 63 percent.

Some more good news for him is that 72 percent of the American public says, not your fault. You inherited all of these terrible economic problems.

But there's a but here. And that is, when you ask people about whether the president is going down the right road on the economy and the way he's going to fix it, they have one major concern. And that's really the deficit.

Take a look at this. Thirty-five percent of them said, just boost the economy now, worry about the deficit later. But 58 percent said, wait a minute, you have to worry more about keeping the deficit down. And that's really a problem, Wolf, for this president when he's heading into a health care reform package that could cost a trillion dollars over the next 10 years.

BLITZER: What about his support among the so-called independent voters, who are so critical?

BORGER: Independent voters have been very important to him. This is a president who likes to talk about bipartisanship.

But he's losing support among independents. Take a look at this poll, also from "The Wall Street Journal." In April, independents approved of the job President Obama was doing 60 percent to 31 percent. In June, the approval rate has declined, 46 percent, to 44 percent disapproval. So it dropped from a 2-1 approval rating to just over 50 percent. That's good, but it's still not where it was.

It's heading in the wrong direction, as far as the White House is concerned.

BLITZER: And we have more poll numbers coming up in the next hour. Bill Schneider is taking a closer look, significant numbers.

Thanks very much.

BORGER: Sure..."

Here is the CNN transcript of those "poll numbers coming up in the next hour. Bill Schneider is taking a closer look, significant numbers" that Wolf Blitzer mentioned right above:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/18/sitroom.02.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Massive Display of Mourning; Senator John Kerry Responds to Criticism of President on Iran; U.S. Tracks North Korean Ship; U.S. Guns Flowing into Mexico

Aired June 18, 2009 - 17:00 ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Let's bring in our senior political analyst Bill Schneider.

Bill, you had a chance to meet way high-ranking Israeli official. I know the Israelis are watching this situation in Iran about as closely as anyone. What are you hearing?

BILL SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm hearing a mood ominous from the Israeli officials. They compare the situation in the world today with the period before World War II when they said there was a lack of political will in the world to confront a very dangerous threat. The Israeli government believes that the right priority right now for the United States has to be Iran, not the Israeli/Palestinian issue, and they're worried that we're dealing with irrational players in Iran. So that the kind of nuclear deterrence policy that used to work with the Soviet Union may not be effective with Iran.

BLITZER: How much depends, actually, on the final outcome, whatever happens in Iran?

SCHNEIDER: Well, Iranians and Israelis are divided on a number of things. We see that on the division on the streets of Tehran. The Iranians that are united, they say they have evidence they are completely united on two issues. One, they want to destroy Israel. Two, they want nuclear weapons. Both sides in this conflict. No matter who comes out on top after this election, those things are unlikely to change the Israeli beliefs.

BLITZER: Depressing assessment they have. Now doubt about that. Make a turn to the president of the United States now, Bill, and his poll numbers. You're tracking new numbers that are coming in. How is the president's numbers? How are they holding up?

SCHNEIDER: Well, his polls are good. His policies not quite as good.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SCHNEIDER: Three new polls out. Let's see how President Obama is doing. The "New York Times"/CBS News poll, 63 percent job approval. Still high but five points down since April. The Pew Research Center poll, 61 percent. Down two since April. The "Wall Street Journal"/NBC News poll, 56 percent. Down five since April.

PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: We're seeing initial return on a few of these investments.

SCHNEIDER: President Obama is more popular than his policies. Three quarters of Americans like President Obama, but just over half approve of his policies. People think the economic recovery may be slowing down. From February to May, growing numbers of Americans believed the economy was getting better. Now that number has fallen back a bit.

ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think the American people are rightly anxious and concerned about the economy. Just as the president.

SCHNEIDER: How big a concern is the deficit? Most Americans say the president and congress should worry more about keeping the budget deficit down than about boosting the economy. But it's not Obama's -- 46 percent say the Bush administration is most responsible for the deficit. Only 6 percent blame the Obama administration.

OBAMA: This is hard, and the reason it's hard is because we've accumulated a structural deficit that's going to take a long time.

SCHNEIDER: One thing President Obama has going for him, very little confidence in the opposition. In the Times/CBS poll, 57 percent of the public have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, more than twice at many as Republicans. In the journal NBC poll a 20-point gap between the parties.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCHNEIDER: And both of those last polls show opinion that the opinion party right now at an all-time low. Wolf?

BLITZER: Bill Schneider, thank you.

Let's talk about this and more with our senior political correspondent Candy Crowley. The Democratic strategist and former Clinton white house communications director Don Baer and Republican strategist and CNN political contributor Alex Castellanos..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 22, 2009 - 8:52am.

what can also go wrong for him in the future.  Republicans can very easily become relevant again pretty much by default in 2010 and/or 2012 if too many things go wrong for Obama and for the Democratic majority:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31473792#31473792  (48:33)


Video: Replay the full broadcast  
June 21, 2009: Video: Ali Arouzi; Richard Engel; Benjamin Netanyahu; Sam Nunn; Fred Thompson; Chuck Todd; Nina Easton

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31473792#31473792  (48:33)

Here is the transcript of Chuck Todd's comments which are toward the end of this video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31463249/ns/meet_the_press/page/4/

'Meet the Press' transcript for June 21, 2009
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Sam Nunn, Fred Thompson, Nina Easton, Chuck Todd

MR. DAVID GREGORY:  "Chuck, here's my take, and I want to get your thoughts on it, which is that this president doesn't seem overly concerned about the regime change question.  They don't want to get into the regime change business. They've seen that movie and they don't much like it over the past eight years. In this case they are focused on policy, which is we're going to do business with somebody; the issue here is nuclear weapons.

MR. CHUCK TODD:  But there's another thing here.  They're frustrated that they're not getting credit for what's going on in Iran, in this respect; they think that Cairo speech--you talked to some behind the scenes, they think that Cairo speech did help supporters of Mousavi sort of see light at the end of the tunnel in their country.  And so they would--they want a little more credit here for...

MR. GREGORY:  Mm-hmm.

MR. TODD:  ...for sort of helping to spark the enthusiasm that you're seeing in, in sort of knock--seeing some sort of change in Iran.  But at the same time, obviously they're worried about the public meddling and all this stuff. The problem they have is, and the question they cannot answer is what are the consequences for Iran after this is done?  And if they end up still dealing with a Ahmadinejad, an administration there that's Ahmadinejad and the supreme leader, are we suddenly going to still have the same policy that he wanted to have and that he promised, or will there be consequences?  And they can't answer the consequence question.  Because you do feel like there should be some, and I think a lot of people here watching feel like there should be some...

MR. DAVID GREGORY:  It's not overloading like you shouldn't take on challenges, but it just costs so much.

MR. CHUCK TODD:  That's right.  But this healthcare issue, at the same time there is this sort of political penalty Democrats will pay.

MR. GREGORY:  Yes.

MR. TODD:  They've been promising this for 40 years.  They've never had a moment in time like this to get it done.  Now all the stars are aligned to get it done and there's no excuse.  And if they don't do it now, they will lose credibility on an issue that always polls highly.

MR. GREGORY:  Right.  Look...

MR. TODD:  And it's a bread and butter issue.  And if they don't do something and it doesn't look big...

MR. GREGORY:  Right.

MR. TODD:  And I think that's what's frustrating the White House is they, they want to compromise but they want it to be big, and it's hard to do both...

MR. DAVID GREGORY:  Well, they may be smiling, Chuck, but Republicans, opposition doesn't seem to be the problem for the president, if you look at the polling of, of Republicans in this poll.

MR. CHUCK TODD:  Right.  Well, in many ways he's running against himself, and that is the problem, right?

MR. GREGORY:  Right.

MR. TODD:  The public is now judging him.  They're not judging him in comparison...

MR. GREGORY:  Yeah.

MR. TODD:  ...they're judging him on his actions, and that's why you've seen a, a receding.  But the deficit, you know, Nina brought up something that's like wow, do people really--are they really worrying about the deficit?  Is this something?  What it is, it's become an umbrella...

MR. GREGORY:  Yeah.

MR. TODD:  ...for all things government, and so there's this anxiety.  It's a collective anxiety right now that, can we really pay these bills?  What happens?  And so there's this nervousness.  And I think GM is a part of it. You know, to me GM is going to be the symbol for this president of whether government interaction is the right thing or the wrong thing.  And the success or failure of GM, fair or not, whether--no matter--because GM is the thing you can touch and feel.

MR. GREGORY:  Sure.

MR. TODD:  Everybody knows GM.  How GM goes will determine, I think, the long term.

MR. GREGORY:  You said something interesting, too, in comparison to what? Let's remember, this was a president who campaigned not so much against John McCain, but against George W.  Bush.

MR. TODD:  Right..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 22, 2009 - 9:07am.

right now and what can go wrong for him in the future which is the big picture of things that I think people should be looking at. I never was a huge fan of Gloria Borger in the past but her comments have become much better and she has shown a deeper insight into the big picture of things since the 2008 election in my opinion:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/21/sotu.03.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

State of the Union: Best Political Team on Television

Aired June 21, 2009 - 11:00 ET

JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: "Welcome back to STATE OF THE UNION. Joining me now here in Washington, senior political analyst David Gergen, senior political analyst Gloria Borger, and congressional correspondent Brianna Keilar.

Let's begin with the pictures we just saw right there. And one of the questions at the moment as we watch this unfold and these protesters are out again in Tehran, which is most significant today after the supreme leader told them do not, no more protests in the streets, they are out again and many around the world are asking, what is the role of the president of the United States, what should he do?

And there's a debate in Congress back and forth about all of this. And the question is, Gloria, so far, is he hitting the right tone as we see this debate play out?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think there may be some disagreement at this table about that. I think that, at the beginning, the president was very careful not to insert himself in this argument, which he considered and the administration considered to be an internal political argument.

But at this point, if the violence ramps up. And again, John, we don't know if that's going to happen, but if the violence ramps up, I would expect to see a change in the president's tone. He did do an interview this morning as you spoke about earlier on Pakistani television. And I think it was more of the same although he has started to invoke the American civil rights movement.

And so he's talking about the demonstrations in Iran in terms of morality, right and wrong, justice and injustice...

KING: So you have watched this, David, as an adviser to presidents and as a journalist in this community, and now as a senior statesman, as we might say, how is he doing?

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, it's a tough call. I would concede that. But I do believe that, John, now what we're watching is a Tiananmen Square unfolding in slow motion. And it's sort gradual to Tiananmen Square.

And I don't think the president is restricted to he intervenes or he doesn't intervene. There's a more creative solution and that is for him to organize a concert of nations to stand up together in favor of democracy and human rights and against the violence that we are seeing.

In that sense, it seems to me that the White House has been cautious to a fault. And it's surprising, because after the Cairo speech, one would have thought he was donning the mantle of international leadership. And this passivity, in effect, this caution sort of empties the Cairo speech of some its meaning.

BORGER: Well, I don't think it's necessarily passivity. I mean, I do think that he's being careful and I do think that there is a plan that they are watching very carefully to see if more violence erupts, then I think you take it to a different level.

I think it would be interesting, for example, if they have the secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, as a woman, become the de facto spokesperson for the United States given the fact that so many women in Iran are out there on the streets...

BORGER: I will give you this, David. I think it's really interesting because some people say that the mere fact that Barack Obama is there and gave the speech he gave in Cairo actually helped instigate what's going on now right now in Iran. And for him to sit back is a problem. However, you don't hear people saying we want to hear more from Barack Obama. You don't hear Iranians saying we want Barack Obama to insert himself into this, right? It's delicate...

BORGER: Right and by the way, we don't know depending on who ends up running Iran, we don't know whether Mousavi would be any different than Ahmadinejad in terms of negotiating with us...

BORGER: You know, they're hugely conflicted, as they always are, when you cover a health care debate. Which is on the one hand, people want universal health care in this country, they think it's probably a good idea, they would like the government to get involved. On the other hand, they're afraid it is going to affect them. If they like their health care, they don't want that to change, and they're worried about how to pay for it, because they know that the way to pay for health care reform is by raising taxes. And no matter which way you raise taxes, somebody is going be upset about it. So now if the public wants it, they don't want to pay for it and they don't want to lose what they have.

GERGEN: We saw a lot of this same kind of conflicts in the polls back when the Clintons tried to reform health care...

BORGER: Absolutely.

GERGEN: ... a lot of support for it, as Gloria said, but a lot of concerns about it..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 21, 2009 - 7:58am.

If this trend continues (especially with Independent voters), then Republicans can automatically become relevant and get a lot of votes by default in 2010 and/or 2012 just like how Democrats got a lot of votes by default in 2006 and 2008 because too many voters did not like Bush's policies:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/20/sitroom.02.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Congress Behind Closed Doors; Captured Soldier Admits Being Scared; Special Operations War of Words; Search & Destroy in Heroin Heartland; Losing Patience with the President

Aired July 20, 2009 - 17:00 ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Is the president's push for massive health care reform hurting his popularity?

There are new signs that a key group of voters may -- repeat may -- be losing patience with the president.

Let's bring in our senior political correspondent, Candy Crowley.

We're talking about a very significant group of voters out there -- Candy.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: We really are. These are the swing voters. And as we all know, swing voters really do determine elections.

We have seen now a number of polls that show the president's overall approval is dropping. It remains, however, in a healthy upper 50 percent range.

But inside those numbers is an interesting story. The president is more popular than his programs. And when it comes to his programs, a good part of the slippage is among Independents.

Look at this latest ABC News/"Washington Post" poll on the specific question of the president's health care reform. Overall, 44 percent disapprove of his handling of reform; 49 percent approve.

Now flip those numbers and you will have what Independents say. Forty-nine percent disapprove. And that disapproval has gone up 19 points since April. Forty-four percent approve of the president's reform.

The question, of course, is why. And a CBS poll suggests, in part, it may be the price tag.

Do you think health care should be fixed now or do you think the country can't afford it?

That's the question.

The answer from Independents is right down the middle -- 48 percent say fix health care now; 46 percent say the country can't afford it.

Two things, though, Wolf. While Independents generally decide elections, they are a famously mercurial bunch and can swing from week to week.

And if you put the president's numbers up against the Republicans, not even a contest. Republicans are stuck in their worst numbers in more than three decades -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Candy Crowley, thanks very much.

Candy will be back in the next hour..."

Here is the link to the Washington Post article along with the "ABC News/"Washington Post" poll mentioned in this article that are discussed in the CNN transcript above:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/19/AR2009071902176.html

Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Approval Rating on Health Care Falls Below 50 Percent

By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, July 20, 2009

"Heading into a critical period in the debate over health-care reform, public approval of President Obama's stewardship on the issue has dropped below the 50 percent threshold for the first time, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_072009.html

Washington Post-ABC News Poll

The erosion in Obama's overall rating on health care is particularly notable among political independents: While positive in their assessments of his handling of health-care reform at the 100-day mark of his presidency (53 percent approved and 30 percent disapproved), independents now are divided at 44 percent positive and 49 percent negative..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 21, 2009 - 7:59am.

Again, Republicans can automatically become relevant in 2010 and/or 2012 whether or not they have ideas of their own IF these kind of negative polling trends continue with Obama:  

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-continues-to-drop.html

Monday, July 20, 2009

Obama continues to drop

PPP's monthly national survey shows Barack Obama's approval rating continuing to drop. It's now at 50% with 43% of voters disapproving, continuing a steady decline from 52% in June and 55% in May.

Compared to a month ago his numbers are largely unchanged with Democrats and independents but he continues to lose the little bipartisan appeal he had to begin with. His approval with Republicans is now 12%, down from 18% in June.

While he's continued to maintain a high level of popularity with African Americans and Hispanics, his approval with whites is now at 39%. That's four points below what exit polls showed him earning last November.

Obama continues to lead the top potential GOP hopefuls for 2012. He's up 48-42 on Mike Huckabee, 50-42 on Newt Gingrich, 51-43 on Sarah Palin, and 49-40 on Mitt Romney.

The six point lead over Huckabee is the first time in the four months we've been polling these match ups that Obama has shown an advantage against any of these candidates smaller than his popular vote victory over John McCain. It's also the fourth month in a row that Huckabee has fared the best of the Republicans possibilities.

The numbers from this poll also seem to indicate that Sarah Palin did not do herself any immediate damage with her decision to resign as Governor of Alaska. Her favorability spread of 47/45 is the best PPP has found it over the course of six surveys conducted in the last four months. Also, her eight point deficit against Obama is the first time it's been in single digits over the course of these monthly 2012 polls. She also continues to have easily the highest percentage of GOP voters holding a positive opinion of her.

The Republicans are doing better against Obama in these polls but even as his popularity has dipped nearly below 50% none of them are really within striking range of him. You have to wonder if the GOP's best hope in three years is going to be a fresh face rather than one of these folks who's already been consistently in the national spotlight. PPP numbers from Louisiana out Wednesday will show Bobby Jindal as one of the most popular Governors in the country- he wouldn't be the first person from his part of the country to be elected President after sputtering in his national debut.

Full results here.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_720.pdf  (17 pages)

Posted by Tom Jensen at 9:38 AM

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 21, 2009 - 11:19pm.

control.'

This in my opinion is what makes Republicans relevant regardless of their internal problems, regardless of the crazy behavior of their fringe Limbaugh wing, and regardless of whether or not they have ideas of their own:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0809/Charlie_Cook_Dem_situation_has_slipped_completely_out_of_control.html

August 20, 2009
Categories: Misc.

Charlie Cook: Dem situation has 'slipped completely out of control'

Charlie Cook, one of the best political handicappers in the business, sent out a special update to Cook Political Report subscribers Thursday that should send shivers down Democratic spines.

Reviewing recent polling and the 2010 election landscape, Cook can envision a scenario in which Democratic House losses could exceed 20 seats.

"These data confirm anecdotal evidence, and our own view, that the situation this summer has slipped completely out of control for President Obama and Congressional Democrats. Today, The Cook Political Report’s Congressional election model, based on individual races, is pointing toward a net Democratic loss of between six and 12 seats, but our sense, factoring in macro-political dynamics is that this is far too low," he wrote.

"Many veteran Congressional election watchers, including Democratic ones, report an eerie sense of déjà vu, with a consensus forming that the chances of Democratic losses going higher than 20 seats is just as good as the chances of Democratic losses going lower than 20 seats."

Cook scrupulously avoided any mention that Democratic control of the House is in jeopardy but, noting a new Gallup poll showing Congress’ job disapproval at 70 percent among independents, concluded that the post-recess environment could feel considerably different than when Congress left in August.

"We believe it would be a mistake to underestimate the impact that this mood will have on Members of Congress of both parties when they return to Washington in September, if it persists through the end of the Congressional recess."

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Submitted by jen on August 21, 2009 - 11:40pm.

Dem majorities in both houses, can't wait to see how he does if that changes. He seems to think the Repubs have pretty good ideas, so it should go swimmingly. :/


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


Submitted by Barry_NJ on August 21, 2009 - 11:47pm.

The only ones with a majority in Congress are the do nothings. Even Letterman said that Congress had been diddling around for months doing nothing about health care while we're stuck in two wars "they rubber stamped in 10 minutes".

Barry
Our departure point is the present, our goal is the future... it is for us to determine.

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on August 22, 2009 - 12:26am.

A forecast of a loss of 20 Dem seats in the House is nothing earthshaking. For one thing, the party in power often loses seats in mid-term elections. Second, the Dems won damned near every remotely winnable seat in 2006 and 2008, in the draft of the Obama juggernaut. Third, the Dem Senators who won in 2006 and 2008 won't be up 'til 2012 and 2014. Hell, in the Senate, the Repubs won exactly one contested race in 2008: the Corker-Ford race in Tennessee. (Keep an eye on Corker -- he's the kind of brass-tacks, shoulder-to-the-grindstone, all-business kind of Republican who could turn the party to a new direction.

You can almost forecast the loss of 20 seats just by looking at the calendar. The party in power has a big majority and it's mid-terms time.

 

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."


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