A consensus of experts and commentators agree with how Obama is handling Iran
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 20, 2009 - 11:34pm.
Iran
Hello Everyone:
From what I have seen so far this week, a consensus of experts and commentators from the left to the mainstream right basically agree with how Obama is handling the Iran crisis now. It is mainly Neocon politicians and commentators who are complaining about how Obama is handling Iran right now which does not surprise me at all.
I will start by saying that there is very strong evidence to suggest that the election in Iran was rigged:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/15/iran.elections.qa/
Q & A: Was the Iranian election rigged?
June 15, 2009 -- Updated 1959 GMT
"According to official results, Ahmadinejad won in all regions and among all classes and ages -- again, something that Taheri said was unlikely, "but I can't prove it."
Had he not exaggerated the scale of his victory, Taheri said, unlike in previous presidential elections, it is possible there wouldn't be the outcry there is now. "Many Iranians feel insulted by the results because they feel their vote didn't count. Everybody knows, for instance that Ahmadinejad is unpopular in cities but he still won the vote there. That is why people are so angry."
Another Iran expert Karim Sadjadpour agreed, saying he believed this was "a stolen election." Watch Sadjadpour explain why election was "stolen" »
"There are a lot of signs there were major improprieties. First of all there were 40 million votes cast and just two hours after the polls had closed they announced Ahmadinejad's victory: and these votes are hand counted in Iran...
Sadjadpour, an associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, added: "Another example I give is that (opposition leader Mir Hossein) Moussavi, who is an ethnic Azeri Turk, lost the province of Iranian Azerbaijan. This is the equivalent of Barack Obama losing the African American vote to John McCain in 2008."
Every credible commentator I have heard so far agrees with this analysis about the Iran election. So the question is what is Obama supposed to do about this and about human rights abuses in Iran?
I think that Obama and Robert Gibbs have a good understanding about the big picture of this situation:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ec.01.html
CAMPBELL BROWN
More Bloodshed Ahead in Iran?; Obama Speaks at Radio and Television Correspondents Association Dinner
Aired June 19, 2009 - 20:00 ET
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "So what I've said is, look, it's up to the Iranian people to make a decision. We are not meddling...
ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: There are people in Iran who would love not to make it about one side in Iran versus another, but to make this about Iran versus the West, Iran versus the United States of America. It worked great for years. The president is not going to do that..."
Here is a list of some of the experts and commentators from the left to the right who basically agree with how Obama is handling the Iran crisis:
1) Joe Klein of Time Magazine:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/sitroom.03.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Obama Health Care Reform in Critical Condition?; Iran's Supreme Leader Speaks Out
Aired June 19, 2009 - 18:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "John McCain would really like the president of the United States to be more vocal and assertive and express his support for the opposition, the dissidents.
Is McCain right?
JOE KLEIN, TIME MAGAZINE: McCain is dead wrong, I'm sorry to say. I think the president has been absolutely right.
You know, I interviewed a lot of the leading reformers in Iran about the chances of U.S./Iranian negotiations. And they are very aggrieved. They don't like us very much, even the reformers. They talk about -- they talk about our support for the Shah. They talk about our support for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War. They talk about axis of evil.
They -- the idea that we're always meddling in their society is very, very central, even to the reform movement.
So it's right for the president not to meddle now. And, also, if he did, if he did start spouting off the way McCain did, it would give the mullahs an excuse to put the tanks in the streets, kill a lot of people and say we're doing this because the Americans are meddling -- the Americans have aroused the -- the population. We have to get things under control..."
2) Nicholas Burns, the former undersecretary of State under George W. Bush:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/sitroom.02.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
"You Will Be Held Accountable"; "My Faith is with Those Women"; U.S. Strike Killed Civilians; "A Very Dangerous Moment"; Iran's Nightmare on the Net
Aired June 19, 2009 - 17:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Joining us now, the former undersecretary of State, Nicholas Burns.
He was the Bush administration's top Iran negotiator...
Take us behind the scenes.
What's going on right now, because we know there's been a very cautious statement coming from the president?
NICHOLAS BURNS, FORMER UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE: You know, I think President Obama has been right to be balanced in his statements this past week. We had to, given the poisonous relationship between the U.S. and Iran over the last 30 years.
I think if he had done otherwise -- if he had come out with a loud and aggressive statement, it would have given Ahmadinejad the club to beat the demonstrators with and to say you are tied to the United States' government. I think Obama prevented that.
But clearly, now that the supreme leader has given his speech, it's time for the international community to warn Iran about the consequences of a Tiananmen-like crackdown of people who have been demonstrating piece peacefully in the streets and who, obviously, Wolf, represent a very broad-based movement in Iranian society.
BLITZER: Because it seems like the public statements coming from the leaders of France, let's say, or of Britain, are much more robust than the statements coming from President Obama.
BURNS: Again, I -- I would defend President Obama. I think he's done the right thing here. But the international community -- that means countries all around the world -- need to warn the Iranians -- the Iranian government -- that a severe crackdown is going to reduce their credibility even further than it's been reduced -- and that's quite a bit -- this week...
BLITZER: Here's another, Alireza in Tehran says this: "My hand was hanging out of the taxi window with a little green ribbon, the color of the reformists, tied around my finger. One of the militiamen told me to throw that ribbon away. When I refused, 15 people attacked me inside the car. They beat me with their batons and tried to pull me out."
You hear stories like that and you're a high-ranking United States government official, what do you do?
BURNS: Well, I think what you've got to do is you've got to say what you think, in terms of the importance of maintaining human rights. And I think you -- you have heard that from the Obama administration this week. They've talked about the denial of rights. They've talked about police brutality. We need to hear more of that not just from the United States, but from countries all around the world..."
I was surprised to hear Nicholas Burns say this because I have heard him carry Bush's water on cable news shows like this in the past but I was really glad that he did say it and also with his saying that "We need to hear more of that not just from the United States, but from countries all around the world."
3) Reza Azlan and David Gergen on CNN (Gergen also made this same point about "a consensus of nations" along with describing the very fine line that Obama has to draw when dealing with this situation):
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/15/acd.01.html
ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
America's High: The Case For and Against Pot; President Obama Speaks Out on Iranian Presidential Election
Aired June 15, 2009 - 22:00 ET
REZA ASLAN, AUTHOR, "HOW TO WIN A COSMIC WAR: GOD, GLOBALIZATION, AND THE END OF THE WAR ON TERROR": "He (Obama) couldn't talk about sort of the "national security, America is coming to get us," you know, campaign that has basically been so much a part of his platform for the last four years.
And I think Obama wants to make sure that he sort of steps back, that he doesn't give the state in Iran or the Ahmadinejad supporters an opportunity to point at the United States and say, this is America meddling once again.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: David, what about that?
DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, but -- well, I -- I -- I think that is right, up to a point. He does not want to inflame tensions.
But, as world leader, I think it is not just what he says; it's now what he does. And it is very important, if he really wants to turn the page, for him now to reach out to other leaders in other nations and -- and to form a consensus. No, it is not just America telling Iran, but it's -- rather, it's a consensus of nations that he leads.
And that is where he will get his strength and power and the respect that he needs, because he does -- he has many interests here. This is a very delicate moment for him. He can't be too weak, but he can't interfere too much. And that requires a lot of balancing and a lot of finesse.
COOPER: We -- we have got to leave it there, unfortunately..."
4) Henry Kissinger:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/world/middleeast/20policy.html?em
Obama Resists Calls for a Tougher Stance on Iran
By MARK LANDLER
Published: June 19, 2009
"The Obama administration has resisted such language, worrying that full-throated American backing for the protesters would harm their cause by making them more susceptible to being labeled by Iranian officials as tools of Washington. Administration officials note that their muted response has not prevented the turnout at protests from growing by the day.
Mr. Obama has won support from across party lines. Henry A. Kissinger, the former secretary of state, said on Fox News: “I think the president has handled this well. Anything that the United States says that puts us totally behind one of the contenders, behind Moussavi, would be a handicap for that person,” he said..."
5) Robin Wright:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/lkl.01.html
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Obama: Commander of Comedy?; Pivotal Day in Iranian Contested Election
Aired June 19, 2009 - 21:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, HOST: "This is a potentially very significant moment in the history of Iran right now. Let's get the latest on what's going on, because it's a very fluid and dramatic situation. Joining us here in Washington is the journalist, Robin Wright. She's traveled to Iran nearly every year since 1979, has interviewed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Her latest book is called "Dreams and Shadows, The Future of the Middle East."...
BLITZER: Robin Wright, you have been in these situations. You covered it for many years. Next few hours, am I exaggerating, could be critical?
ROBIN WRIGHT, INTERVIEWED AHMADINEJAD, KHAMENEI: The escalation today really is remarkable. He's taken this to a whole new level. He has given notice to the opposition that he will broken no demonstrations and he's prepared to use the instruments of the state in order to make sure that doesn't happen.
This division is now no longer about just who is the next president of Iran? It's very much pitting the supreme leader, the symbol of the revolution, against those who are arguing for a different vision of the Islamic republic. And the stakes, now, are much greater...
BLITZER: Let me ask Robin, you think he's (Obama) got to be tougher? Or is he just right?
WRIGHT: No, I think he's actually being very wise in holding back. The real danger for the United States is that it becomes the issue in this confrontation, rather than allowing it to play out domestically at home among the different factions..."
6) Arianna Huffington (she agrees with Obama on North Korea and Iran but not on Afghanistan) and Bay Buchanan (she is Pat Buchanan's sister and is very conservative):
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/17/lkl.01.html
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Day 5: Protests in Iran
Aired June 17, 2009 - 21:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, GUEST HOST: "Let me ask Arianna. A preemptive strike by the United States to try to destroy North Korea's long-range and short-range missiles and its nuclear capability. A good idea?
ARIANNA HUFFINGTON, CO-FOUNDER, HUFFINGTONPOST.COM: Actually, you know what, Wolf, I think that when it comes to North Korea, and when it comes to Iran, this president has it absolutely right. What concerns me is what he's doing in Afghanistan, where every day, we see more evidence that we are making ourselves even more enemies that we need there without necessarily protecting our best national interests.
Because al Qaeda, that the president claims we are after in Afghanistan, is actually solidly ensconcing Pakistan. So I thinks that the Achilles' heel of his foreign policy...
BLITZER: Bay Buchanan, the former presidential candidate, John McCain, he wants the president of the United States to be tough tougher with the Iranian regime, given the election -- the disputed election results.
BAY BUCHANAN, PRESIDENT, THE AMERICAN CAUSE: But, you know, I think the president, and, James, you'll be happy to hear this. I think the President Obama has done brilliantly when it comes to Iran. He -- really he went over there, he tried to make it clear. He wants to work with them. They have a right to nuclear power if they're going to use it responsibly..."
7) Fareed Zakaria:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/19/zakaria.iran.elections/index.html
Zakaria: 'Fatal wound' inflicted on Iranian regime's ideology
updated 8:35 p.m. EDT, Fri June 19, 2009
CNN: "What should the United States do?
Fareed Zakaria: I would say continue what we have been doing. By reaching out to Iran, publicly and repeatedly, President Obama has made it extremely difficult for the Iranian regime to claim that they are battling an aggressive America bent on attacking Iran. In his inaugural address, his New Year greetings, and his Cairo speech, there is a consistent effort to convey respect and friendship for Iranians. That is why Khamenei reacted so angrily to the New Year greeting. It undermined the image of the Great Satan that he routinely paints in his sermons. In his Friday sermon, Khamenei said that the United States, Israel, and especially the United Kingdom were behind the street protests, an accusation that will surely sound ridiculous to most Iranians. The fact that Obama has been cautious in his reaction makes it all the harder for Khamenei and Ahmadinejad to wrap themselves in a nationalist flag.
CNN: But shouldn't the U.S. be more vocal in support for the Iranian protesters?
Zakaria: I think a good historic analogy is President George H.W. Bush's cautious response to the cracks in the Soviet empire in 1989. Then, many neo-conservatives were livid with Bush for not loudly supporting those trying to topple the communist regimes in Eastern Europe. But Bush's concern was that the situation was fragile. Those regimes could easily crack down on the protestors and the Soviet Union could send in tanks. Handing the communists reasons to react forcefully would help no one, least of all the protesters. Bush's basic approach was correct and has been vindicated by history..."
As I said in the first paragraph of this post, it is mainly Neocon politicians and commentators who are complaining about how Obama is handling Iran right now:
1) Sen. John McCain (R-AZ):
McCain Faults Obama for Cautious Response to Disputed Outcome of Iran's Election
John McCain says he's disappointed in President for Obama for asserting that it was "not productive, given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations, to be seen as meddling."
FOXNews.com
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
"John McCain told FOX News that he didn't think President Obama was doing enough to show his support for fair elections in Iran and civil rights for Iranians after a presidential election there that "everybody knows" was corrupt.
Sen. McCain, Obama's Republican challenger in the 2008 election, suggested Wednesday in an interview with FOX News that Obama wasn't standing up for American principles.
"I'm disappointed, it is an American principle ever since our founding that we are dedicated to the principle that all are created equal and the fact is they have the right to free elections and to select their leadership," McCain said..."
2) Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN):
June 14, 2009
Pence: Obama should speak out in favor of Iranian reformers
Posted: 06:20 PM ET
From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart
WASHINGTON (CNN) – "On the same day that Vice President Biden said he had doubts about the validity of the Iranian election results, Indianan Republican Rep. Mike Pence urged President Obama to speak out in favor of the forces of reform in the Middle Eastern country.
“First and foremost, we need to take a half step back from this administration’s olive branch-and-apology approach to enemies and countries that have been hostile to the United States of America and our allies,” Pence said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union.
“I’m hoping, before the end of the day today, the President of the United States will speak a word of support for Mr. Moussavi and for the dissidents and the reformers within Iran,” said Pence, referring to the defeated challenger to incumbent Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad..."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/19/ec.01.html
CAMPBELL BROWN
More Bloodshed Ahead in Iran?; Obama Speaks at Radio and Television Correspondents Association Dinner
Aired June 19, 2009 - 20:00 ET
CAMPBELL BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: "Now President Obama under increasing pressure tonight to turn up the volume on Iran, Republicans urging him to denounce the ayatollah, the election, and the efforts to squash dissent.
Leading the charge, Congressman Mike Pence of Indiana, and he made the rounds today. He was very much on message.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: When Ronald Reagan went before the Brandenburg Gate, he didn't say, "Mr. Gorbachev, that wall is none of our business."
But just like Ronald Reagan did when he stood in front of the Brandenburg Gate, Chris, he didn't say, "Mr. Gorbachev, that wall is none of our business."
Ronald Reagan, you know, stood before the Brandenburg Gate. He didn't say, "Mr. Gorbachev, this wall is none of our business."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got you.
PENCE: He said, "Tear down that wall."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BROWN: We got it, Congressman..."
For those who may not be aware of his background, Mike Pence was an extreme right wing talk radio show host (basically a lesser known version of Rush Limbaugh) right before he was elected to Congress:
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Mike_Pence
Mike Pence (R-Ind.)
Current Position: U.S. Representative (since January 2001)
"He was the president of the Indiana Policy Review Foundation, a conservative think tank, and the radio host of “The Mike Pence Show, a right-leaning talk program that was syndicated across the state from 1994 to 2000..."
3) The Weekly Standard (a hard core Neocon magazine):
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/652qvgrz.asp
Resolutely Irresolute
Obama dithers while Tehran burns.
by Stephen F. Hayes & William Kristol
06/29/2009, Volume 014, Issue 39
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/651kqpio.asp
There's No False Choice on Iran
The consequence of a weak president.
by Fred Barnes
06/29/2009, Volume 014, Issue 39
4) Hugh Hewitt of Townhall.com (a hard core Neocon website):
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/29310427-43c2-4b27-84cc-061b45c71798
Saturday, June 20, 2009
"Why Is Obama AWOL On Iran?"
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 8:58 AM
Powerline's John Hinderaker reviews the possible explanations and posts a poll.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023849.php
5) Paul Wolfowitz (Deputy Secretary of Defense under Donald Rumsfeld):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/18/AR2009061803496.html
'No Comment' Is Not an Option
By Paul Wolfowitz
Friday, June 19, 2009
"President Obama's first response to the protests in Iran was silence, followed by a cautious, almost neutral stance designed to avoid "meddling" in Iranian affairs..."
As I also said in the first paragraph, what these Neocons are saying about Obama's handling of Iran does not surprise me at all.
I think that James Carville got it exactly right about what the Neocons think of Obama's foreign policy on CNN (the context of what Carville is referring to below is Obama's Cairo speech but the exact same anti-Neocon foreign policy principles about how Obama is handling Iran still applies in my opinion):
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/04/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Making Muslim Outreach Personal; President Obama Never Says 'Terrorists'; 30 Rounds of Applause for Obama
Aired June 4, 2009 - 15:59 ET
JAMES CARVILLE, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: "And I think that, look -- I think, if I'm -- if I'm going a cowboy diplomat, if I like the Bush foreign policy, the go-it-alone stuff, this was not a good day. This was a -- this was a very -- this is a very significant day in the history of American foreign policy.
Look, the people who liked the Bush foreign policy are not going to like today. This is engagement. This is going -- but the fact that it even happened is breathtakingly historical. That a United States president was there in Cairo at the university giving this speech was -- was -- was enormous.
And I think the -- this president, unlike the last president, is making this -- to try to get some resolution to this conflict a priority. And I think he's trying to push forward here...
CARVILLE: I understand that people who like the foreign policy of the previous administration are not going to like this speech. And I think this is a very legitimate discussion to have is, is, which policy makes us safer, a policy of leadership and engagement, which we -- which we saw today, where -- where we actually had an American president at Cairo University, which could have never -- we couldn't imagine this happening two years ago? So, this is a -- a remarkable thing. And -- and -- and this debate will continue, but I think that this president's gotten us off to a really good start..."
What the White House said to George W. Bush is exactly what I would say these Neocons:
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/white_house_bush_response/2009/06/19/226994.html
White House Responds to G.W. Bush: We Won In November; Enough Said
Friday, June 19, 2009 8:38 AM
By: Christina Bellantoni, The Washington Times
"President Obama's White House swatted back at former President George W. Bush's critique of the administration's economic and national security policies with a reminder that Mr. Obama won the election and had to take over a fiscal mess...
We've had a debate about individual policies ... we had that debate in particular [on Guantanamo]. We kept score last November," he (Robert Gibbs) said, adding Mr. Obama won..."
I think that "we won and you lost" is the right response to the Neocons who are complaining about Obama's foreign policy right now. Many Neocons in my opinion are acting as though they did not lose an election and as though they have not gotten used to being out of power yet!
Neocon Republicans in my opinion have to realize that this is a case where Obama gets his way with foreign policy because he won the 2008 election while they and their ideas lost badly. Bush and Cheney shoved extreme Neocon foreign policy ideology down our throats while they were in power for 8 years so the Neocons are just getting a taste of their own bitter medicine right now after they lost an election!
The evidence in this post also suggests to me that it is the Neocons who are out of touch with most of the country and it is they who are in the minority when it comes how to handle foreign policy issues!
Mitch Dworkin
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/21/fzgps.01.html
FAREED ZAKARIA GPS
Fallout from Iranian Elections, Protests; Role of Technology in Iran Protests; U.S.-Iranian Relations
Aired June 21, 2009 - 13:00 ET
FAREED ZAKARIA, HOST, GLOBAL PUBLIC SQUARE: "Do you think that President Obama has struck the right tone, trying to offer some support, but being very clear to say this is an internal Iranian affair? We are not trying to pick sides. We are not trying to -- you know, we don't have a dog in this fight, in that sense.
ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, FORMER U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: Fareed, I never hesitate to criticize presidents when I have a different point of view.
But I think on this, he has struck absolutely the right note. He's offering moral sympathy. He's identifying himself morally, historically with what is happening in Iran.
But he's not engaging himself politically. He's not interfering, because that would turn badly. And it could be exploited by the neocons in Iran to crush the revolution, to wipe it out.
I don't know if the revolution will prevail. It may take time. The longer it lasts, the better are its chances. But we don't want it to escalate into a total showdown, because if there's a total showdown now, the chances are that the worst elements -- the Iranian neocons -- will prevail.
ZAKARIA: Is it fair to say, Zbig, that this was the concern that George H.W. Bush had during the revolutions of '89, which is why he was cautious about, as he put it, going to Berlin and dancing on the Wall? His fear was that either the communist regimes in Eastern Europe would crack down, or that the Soviet Union would crack down, and therefore was trying to play this balancing game of offering some support, but not so much that you insert America into the process.
BRZEZINSKI: Absolutely. And I was a private citizen at the time, but he called me in a couple of times to discuss this with him. And he was prudent and intelligent -- and, ultimately, masterful -- because things worked out the way we wanted them to work out.
I think Obama has redefined America's relationship with Islam. And thereby, he has weakened the capacity of the ayatollahs to present us as a satanic force.
But we should have no illusions that Iranian nationalism is going to be easy to deal with. And even if Mousavi wins, for example, we'll still have a complicated problem in the nuclear area. But hopefully, the nature of the dialogue, the atmosphere will change for the better..."
Here is the CNN Fareed Zakaria video link to watch this entire interview which I thought was very interesting:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/06/21/gps.zbigniew.brzezinski.cnn (7:41)
Brzezinski on Iran 7:41
CNN's Fareed Zakaria sits down with Fmr. National Security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski to discuss the Iran election crisis.
Source: CNN
Added On June 21, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/06/21/gps.zbigniew.brzezinski.cnn (7:41)
I think Obama has redefined America's relationship with Islam. And thereby, he has weakened the capacity of the ayatollahs to present us as a satanic force.
Going into the files! :)
I think that's exactly right. I have a friend who's on the faculty of Cairo University and she was able to get in to hear Obama's speech there. She says that no one expected what they experienced that day and it wasn't just his speech. Normally when there's a major speech the streets to the campus are blocked and only the "approved" can enter the campus but there were no road blocks for Obama's visit. The speech itself was by invitation due to the seating limits but a variety of people were invited, including lots of students. More important anyone could come on campus regardless of their political views.
This week in Iran the Ayatollah hasn't been able to use his usual cop out and blame the US for his problems, that just doesn't fly anymore. Suddenly the Brits are the "most evil" country. I've been following Tweets and other messages from Iran and all those people want is our moral support. They're getting it from Obama and a heck of a lot of other people from all over the world.
Barry
Our departure point is the present, our goal is the future... it is for us to determine.

Chanting "death to America," is still in vogue there. Since VOA broadcasts there, they can say we're meddling. Does BBC broadcast there? That would consititute even more meddling, since BBC tends to have their ducks in a row when they broadcast. I'm not sure the ayatollahs give O a second thought when making their decisions. They live in a pretty insulated sphere.
The Ayatollahs are insulated for sure. But I think they learned a thing or two about Twitter and Facebook over the past week. :)
I'm not sure what you consider "in vogue" but I haven't heard any anti-American chants this week and I have been watching a lot of raw video. A week ago when there were pro-Ahmahinedad crowds out they were chanting for the government rather than against anything. The "green" crowds are against the government and not falling for any anti-foreign rhetoric.
The BBC does broadcast to Iran with both the Worldservice as well as the BBC Persian television service which started this year. Tehran has tried to block the BBC's signal and in doing so managed to block signals to much of the Middle East and North Africa as well. The BBC may "have its ducks in a row" as you say but even so they are far above the total junk that's broadcasted in the US. I had CNN on briefly over the week end and watched two bubble heads congradulating each other on how CNN had Twitter right there in the newsroom. The three bits of real information they mentioned were hours old. I knew that since I had Twitter on as well. They have also let a lot of false information get through.
Its also worth mentioning that while you may prefer "death to America" as the translation its at least equally valid to translate that as "down with America," or "down with the government."
Barry
Our departure point is the present, our goal is the future... it is for us to determine.

The more Obama can present friendly, neutral respect, combined with continued commitment to our own natural interests, the more popular he will become in predominantly Muslim nations.
He can't be weak, otherwise, he will be utterly despised, but he can and should be respectful and interested.

...which I guess is supposed to make them the meanest m*****-f*****s in the valley.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."
For those who prefer paper ballots this video should be interesting. A fellow is carefully filling in a stack of paper ballots with Ahmadinejad's name and apparently votes names. He does check them carefully before approving them.
Barry
Our departure point is the present, our goal is the future... it is for us to determine.
as opposed to more mainstream Republicans. This difference has to be clearly made in my opinion:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_06/018710.php

June 21, 2009
IT'S NOT EXACTLY LEFT VS RIGHT.... On ABC's "This Week" earlier, George Will, hardly a liberal ally of the president, noted that he's heard the criticism of the Obama administration's tactics regarding Iran, and he finds it unpersuasive.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/21/will-iran-foolish-criticism/
"The president is being roundly criticized for insufficient, rhetorical support for what's going on over there. It seems to me foolish criticism. The people on the streets know full well what the American attitude toward the regime is. And they don't need that reinforced."
Ben Armbruster noted that Peggy Noonan, another prominent conservative, also rejected the criticism aimed at the president. "To insist the American president, in the first days of the rebellion, insert the American government into the drama was shortsighted and mischievous," she wrote, adding that "the ayatollahs were only too eager to demonize the demonstrators as mindless lackeys of the Great Satan Cowboy Uncle Sam, or whatever they call us this week."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/21/will-iran-foolish-criticism/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124535660563828707.html
Of course, shortly before George Will's remarks, there was Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), blasting the president on the same program for being "timid and passive" when he'd like to see Obama "speak truth to power."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/06/graham-obama-timid-and-passive-on-iran.html
Graham, as is usually the case in this situation, was pretty vague about what, exactly, he expects the White House to do, and what, exactly, he thinks will happen if the president throws around more bellicose rhetoric regarding developments in Iran. Graham won't (or can't) offer anything constructive, except to say he wants to see Obama "speak up" on behalf of Iranian protestors. Great tip.
That said, seeing Will and Graham on opposite sides of this reminds me of a point that often goes overlooked: we're not dealing with a dynamic that pits the left vs. the right, or Dems against Republicans. Rather, this is a situation featuring neocons vs. everyone else.
You'll notice that President Obama's strategy has not only been endorsed by Democratic lawmakers, but also prominent Republicans who are in office (Dick Lugar), served in Republican administrations (Henry Kissinger, Gary Sick, and Nick Burns), or are prominent Republican voices in the media (George Will, Peggy Noonan, and Pat Buchanan).
The president's leading detractors, meanwhile, primarily come from a motley and discredited crew who cling to neoconservatism -- McCain, Graham, Kristol, Krauthammer, Wolfowitz.
When we see reports indicating that "Republicans" are outraged by the president's tack on Iran, let's not forget it's mostly just a certain part of the party.
—Steve Benen 12:15 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (32)
Here is a Rachel Maddow video that is related to this article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/31497077#31497077 (06:46)
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GOP struggles to second guess Obama on Iran
June 22: Republicans are completely divided over President Obama's subtle, measured approach to Iran. Rachel Maddow talks about their comments with The Nation's Washington editor, Chris Hayes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/31497077#31497077 (06:46)
To most Neocons, one's foreign policy views are the main litmus test as to who is truly "conservative" from their standpoint:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11240
ANALYSIS: Division in the GOP over who is "conservative" based on foreign policy
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 28, 2007 - 5:46pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12716
ANALYSIS: Extreme right wing vs. right wing/Neoconservative vs. Conservative!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 19, 2007 - 10:07am.
said on Tuesday about Iran (this in my opinion was a diplomatic way of Carville basically saying to the Neocons that "we won, you lost, and so you need to get used to the fact that you are not getting your way about how we carry out our foreign policy anymore"):
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/23/sitroom.02.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
New Move to Crush Dissent in Iran; Defiant Clerics Joining Protests; Signs of Regime in Disarray
Aired June 23, 2009 - 17:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, HOST: "Let's talk about what -- what's going on with CNN Democratic strategist and political contributor, James Carville, and Dan Senor, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, a former official in the Bush administration.
Was that a fair question to the president -- Mr. President, what took you so long, 10 days into this crisis -- James?
JAMES CARVILLE, CNN CONTRIBUTOR, CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, of course it's a fair question. His response was a very good response. Look, to the people that like bring it on, wanted dead or alive, mushroom clouds, axis of evil, that kind of bellicosity, they're not going to like this. I think this president has been very measured in this. Republicans like Richard Lugar, Henry Kissinger, James Baker and George Will agree with him.
But, you know, there's some people that like to think the meat cleaver is the chief it instrument of foreign policy. This president believes in the scalpel. I'm sort of refreshed that we have somebody that -- that has that kind of view in the White House.
BLITZER: For days, Dan, you've been urging him to get more -- more aggressive in his statements.
DAN SENOR, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS: Yes...
BLITZER: James, did he strike the right note today?
CARVILLE: Well, yes, I mean, look, he -- he's responding to events as they're coming. And, again, if you like the bring it on, wanted dead or alive, axis of evil crowd, they're the (INAUDIBLE) -- you know, and if you thought the Iraq War was always a nifty idea, you're always pushing for more and more.
I think he's responding to the events as they are. I think most people think that he's handling this very well. And, you know, hopefully, this thing will -- you know, there will be some real changes over there.
But this is up to the Iranian people. It's not up to the American president as to what happens..."
Neocon apologists need to read this quote from Bobby Ghosh which is in the Countdown transcript below:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31488520/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Friday, June 19
Read the transcript to the Friday show
Guests: Rachel Maddow, Bobby Ghosh, Jonathan Landay, Jonathan Alter
BOBBY GHOSH, TIME: "I know the cost of empty rhetoric. An American president should not encourage people to resist their totalitarian leaders unless he‘s prepared to back that with action. And there‘s no—there‘s no—that card can‘t be played at the moment..."
Then the Neocons need to be asked this key question: "What can Obama realistically do to back up with action any tough talk that he may say to the leadership of Iran?"
We obviously cannot invade Iran and sanctions against Iran will take time if they can be passed at all which even John McCain realizes:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/23/lkl.01.html
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Is Obama Tough Enough?; Carson Sidekick Ed McMahon Dies; Jon, Kate Gosselin Separate
Aired June 23, 2009 - 21:00 ET
LARRY KING, HOST: "Do you want him to do more when -- in other words, do you want him to say I'll never meet with -- what do you -- what, specifically, should he do that he's not doing?
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Announce -- well, announce that we are fully funding, the Farda the Radio Free Iran, basically, and other communications into Iran to show our support.
Go to the United Nations Security Council and ask for sanctions against Iran -- and that may not happen, but let's make China and/or Russia block that.
Let's make sure that we speak out more forcefully as far as program and program -- and support programs for education of women who are Muslim to show the world that we support them. It's women who have played a major role in this...
KING: Yes.
MCCAIN: ...in these demonstrations.
And so there's quite a bit more we can do, Larry..."
John McCain's answer is just not realistic in my opinion. Nothing that he told Larry King will stop what is happening in Iran right now and he did not talk about invading Iran!
So again, the Neocons need to answer the key point that Bobby Ghosh brought up right below which is "What can Obama realistically do to back up with action any tough talk that he may say to the leadership of Iran?" I do not believe that they can realistically answer this question which is why I agree with how Obama is handling Iran right now:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31488520/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Friday, June 19
Read the transcript to the Friday show
Guests: Rachel Maddow, Bobby Ghosh, Jonathan Landay, Jonathan Alter
KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: "We‘re going to talk about this more from the American perspective with Jonathan Alter in a moment, but the supreme leader‘s comments about Waco and remarks about interference by the U.S., foreign media, especially the United Kingdom, and the crowd chanting in response, “Death to America.” Would all that not be reason enough for President Obama and his administration remain reluctant about speaking out too strongly even over this weekend?
BOBBY GHOSH, TIME: No, I think—I think it was an attempt to try to provoke a response from President Obama, and if the president responds every time an angry mob in the Middle East chants “Death to America,” then he‘ll be doing nothing else.
I think the wisest course is for the president to maintain the low key that he has, because to speak out now would be to weaken whatever resistance there is and, in fact, it would put people in direct harm‘s way. We don‘t want to get into a situation where, like 1991, President Bush senior asked, encouraged the Iraqi people, particularly the Shiites to rise up against Saddam Hussein and then sat back and watched as Saddam Hussein then slaughtered tens of thousands of these people.
As someone who has personally seeing the mass graves where these people were buried, I wouldn‘t want to see, you know, I know the cost of empty rhetoric. An American president should not encourage people to resist their totalitarian leaders unless he‘s prepared to back that with action. And there‘s no—there‘s no—that card can‘t be played at the moment.
OLBERMANN: A great point..."
Here is the video link to watch this entire interview with Bobby Ghosh (the dialogue right above takes place at about 05:30 into this video):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/31454175#31454175 (07:51)
Protesters defy the Ayatollah
June 19: As protesters continue to defy the Supreme Leader of Iran, Time Magazine’s Bobby Ghosh discusses what may happen there tomorrow, when the police adopt a more forceful strategy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/31454175#31454175 (07:51)
according to Bill Schneider of CNN:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/29/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Michael Jackson's Mother Granted Temporary Custody of Children; Interview With Joe Jackson; Whites Win Race Bias Case
Aired June 29, 2009 - 16:00 ET
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: "In Iran, a recount is said to confirm that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad really did win the presidential election. Well, that is according to Iran's state-run media.
The group responsible for electoral oversight says that the vote result is valid after a partial recount, and that Iran's Guardian Council informed the interior minister in a letter -- this despite claims by some that the vote count was rigged.
Well, how do you feel that the U.S. is handling Iran's election controversy?
Let's bring in our CNN senior political analyst, Bill Schneider.
And tell us, Bill, are Americans satisfied with how the president, the administration, is dealing with this?
WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, the answer is, yes, they are.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
SCHNEIDER (voice-over): President Obama's job approval is holding up pretty well, 61 percent. How do people feel about the way he's responded to events in Iran? The same, 61 percent. The president has calibrated his comments to the Iranian government's increasing repression of the election protesters -- cautious, at first...
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's not productive, given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations, to be seen as meddling, the U.S. president meddling in Iranian elections.
SCHNEIDER: ... more critical as the repression escalated...
OBAMA: We deplore the violence against innocent civilians anywhere that it takes place.
SCHNEIDER: ... and, finally, outraged.
OBAMA: ... the violence perpetrated against them is outrageous. And, despite the government's efforts to keep the world from bearing witness to that violence, we see it and we condemn it.
SCHNEIDER: Most Americans think President Obama's criticisms of Iran's leaders were about right. A third think the president did not go far enough.
REP. MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: I don't believe that having the president of the United States express a word of unqualified support to the brave men and women who are risking their liberty and their lives on behalf of freedom on the streets of Iran would constitute meddling.
SCHNEIDER: Do Republicans believe President Obama's criticism did not go far enough? Nearly half do. But about the same number of Republicans think the president's response was about right or even went too far.
More than 80 percent of Americans believe the election results in Iran were fraudulent. Do people think the United States should openly support the demonstrators? Nearly three in four say no. Almost two- thirds of Republicans agree: Stay out of it.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SCHNEIDER: Most Americans say they are upset, but not outraged, by the way Iran's leaders have dealt with the demonstrators.
Now, interestingly, older Americans are more likely to be outraged. They may have bitter memories of the American hostages held by Iran for more than a year in 1979 and 1980 -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: OK. Thank you, Bill..."

http://www.newsmax.com/index.html
http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/20/sunday-morning-in-iran-a-letter-from-mousavis-office/
Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi has told supporters that he is ready for martyrdom, adding that "We are not against the Islamic system and its laws, but against lies and deviations and just want to reform it." (Getty Images)
Mousavi Accuses Obama of 'Misleading the World'
A statement reportedly from Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi to President Barack Obama criticizes Obama for misleading the world by stating that Mousavi and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad are "two of a kind."
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http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/20/sunday-morning-in-iran-a-letter-from-mousavis-office/
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SECURITY FORCES CLASH WITH THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS IN TEHRAN
US urges Iran to end 'violence'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8110582.stm
OBAMA ABANDONS SIDELINE STRATEGY AND TELLS IRAN: 'STOP ALL VIOLENT AND UNJUST ACTIONS'...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/Obama_calls_on_Iran_to_stop_all_violent_and_unjust_actions.html
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/121028/Obama-Job-Approval-Slips-58-First-Time.aspx