Michael Ware: Iraqis are not ready yet & our troops will not be coming home soon


Hello Everyone:

Michael Ware of CNN in my opinion is the most objective, credible, insightful, and realistic journalist in the business when it comes to reporting about Iraq and foreign policy so I take what he says very seriously!

Michael Ware has been doing a lot of reporting about Iraq over the past few days on CNN but it has been in bits and pieces throughout the day so you pretty much have to look up his interviews on the CNN transcripts page for each day if you want to read them all. Here is the link where you can look them up:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

TRANSCRIPTS

Unfortunately CNN does not make many videos of Michael Ware's interviews and reports which I think is a shame and a terrible waste. The few videos that CNN does make of him can be found on this link:

http://search.cnn.com/search?type=video&sortBy=date&intl=false&query=Michael+Ware&x=11&y=10

Video results for "Michael Ware"

YouTube also has some of Michael Ware's interviews. Here is how to look them up in chronological order:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=michael+ware+cnn&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=michael+ware+iraq&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

michael ware iraq

Michael Ware made some very blunt conclusions about what is really happening in Iraq now and why it is happening. This kind of quality reporting is very hard to find on other networks which is why I go out of my way to catch it and post it. This will probably not be good news to many people but Michael Ware in my opinion has always been right on target and he always exercises sound judgment in his reports!

Here are the 3 main conclusions that I saw Michael Ware come to about what is really happening in Iraq right now:

1) Michael Ware does NOT think that the Iraqi security forces can handle the load without our troops. He thinks that they can only handle the load as long as our troops are there to support them:

A) Here is what Michael Ware very bluntly said before Gen. Ray Odierno told John King in a CNN interview that the Iraqi security forces are ready to take on this added mission:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/sm.02.html

CNN SUNDAY MORNING

British Embassy Employees Arrested in Iran; 70-Year-Old Deployed to Iraq; Investigation Into Michael Jackson's Death Continues

Aired June 28, 2009 - 08:00 ET

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: "Well, it is a critical week for U.S. troops in Iraq. Combat forces are due to move out of main Iraqi cities just in the next few days.

CNN international correspondent Michael Ware joins us now live from Baghdad with details on how that process is going.

And, Michael, I've got to ask you -- once these troops move out, can the Iraqi security forces handle the load?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: No.

NGUYEN: Plain and simple.

(LAUGHTER)

WARE: I mean, I can expand upon that if you like. No, I can't. Look, there's hundreds of thousands of Iraqi security forces, from patrolmen, cops on the street, to the national police -- which is a fine and upstanding unit that seems to be arresting, you know, American -- those who have helped American forces until now. You have the Iraqi security forces.

But let's not ignore the fact that I -- they're simply not ready yet. I mean, America had to stand this army up, these police forces up, from scratch shortly after the invasion. I mean, in terms of building an army, you know, that was five minutes ago.

Then we get to the question of equipment and ability, that's why 130,000 U.S. troops are going to be sticking around for the next little while, because they still need air support, they still need artillery, and they will still need the cavalry to come and help them if they so require, and if the Iraqi government -- who will soon be in charge of this war -- invites the Americans to do so...

WARE: So no, these guys aren't ready. That's why your troops are staying here for the time being..."

B) The next hour after this interview on CNN, here is exactly what Gen. Ray Odierno told John King:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/sotu.01.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

Interview With General Odierno; Interview With Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty

Aired June 28, 2009 - 09:00 ET

JOHN KING, HOST: "And I've used this test with you in the past, so let me ask it this way. On a scale of one to 10, how ready, in your view, are the Iraqi security forces to take on this added mission?

ODIERNO: Yes, I would just say they're at a very -- they have improved significantly over the last 2 1/2 years. We've seen incredible increase in their capacity and capability. They have proven it in combat operations. They have proven their flexibility and adaptable. So I am much more confident than I've ever been in the Iraqi security forces.

KING: I want to close, sir, in our last minute, on a lighter note..."

C) Even after Gen. Odierno said this, Michael Ware still stood behind his "No" answer to that question:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/29/cnr.04.html

CNN NEWSROOM

Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years; Billy Mays Autopsy Results; Firefighters Win High Court Appeal; U.S. Troops Leave Iraqi Cities; Madoff's Path to Prison; Coup in Honduras; Surviving A Bomb Blast

Aired June 29, 2009 - 11:58 ET

T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: "We want to turn now from Iran to Iraq. Very close by. Our Michael Ware is standing by, joining us live from Baghdad.

Michael, hello to you again.

Tomorrow is the day. It's deadline day for U.S. troops to be pulling out of those cities. The question is, are the Iraqi forces ready to step up?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, a couple of things. First, T.J., it's actually less than a day. We're at about four and a half hours away...

Now, to the point you turned to, security. There was another car bombing today. Nine police officers killed in the northern city of Mosul, two more wounded, bringing the death total of the last eight or nine days to something like 220.

The answer to your question specifically, are the Iraqi security forces ready? It's a very simple answer, T.J. No. No, they are not. And that's why you're still going to have 130,000 American troops here, albeit largely restricted to their bases outside of the city, limited to operations in the desert and in the Green Zone around Baghdad. And they need to undue right (ph) the Iraqi security forces and provide the heavy fire power that the Iraqis lack. Nonetheless, the Iraqis are insistent as of midnight tonight, just a few hours away, this is their war..."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/ldt.01.html

LOU DOBBS TONIGHT

Battle over Jackson's Money; Jackson Investigation; Jackson Funeral Plans; Franken Wins Senate Seat; U.S. Troops Pull Back

Aired June 30, 2009 - 19:00 ET

KITTY PILGRIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "Well joining us now from Baghdad, CNN -- is Michael Ware, who has been covering the war in Iraq for seven years. Michael, the U.S. forces will now be outside the cities. Are the Iraqi forces ready to do the job?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kitty, the answer is no. The more complicated answer of course is yes. In a vacuum, the Iraqi security forces would not be able to take on the fight that they're facing alone. That's why 130,000 U.S. combat troops will remain in Iraq, albeit in their bases outside of the major cities and the towns.

As General Ray Odierno, the U.S. commander here on the ground, puts it they're here to provide support. America is in the back seat now because the Iraq -- this is now the Iraqi war as you know. But the Americans are here to provide what the general calls enablers, trainers, advisers, air support, heavy firepower, so America is still underwriting this civility even though it's no longer in charge -- Kitty..."

My own opinion is that I definitely believe Michael Ware over Gen. Ray Odierno. That is because I am sure Gen. Odierno gets his talking points from his superiors and I know that he cannot publicly contradict what his superiors tell him to say while Michael Ware has a consistent record of being right for years!

D) Michael Ware also cut through Gen. Odierno's talking points when he qualified his statement by saying "General Ray Odierno is correct. But that's only because 130,000 American combat troops are still here on the ground," "Iraqi security forces as they exist could not hold this stability together as we've come to know it. What's important here is that the general's right to the degree that, yes, they can do it with 130,000 U.S. combat troops still here in this country," and "It's the U.S. forces who are still underwriting the relative security we have now here in Iraq:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/cnr.05.html

CNN NEWSROOM

U.S. Troops Pull out of Iraqi Cities, Violence Ensues; Did Michael Jackson Leave a Will?; Gay Soldier Speaks Out about Military Policy; States May Need to Cut Services; British Royal Family Asks for More Money

Aired June 30, 2009 - 13:00 ET

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: "Michael, let's go ahead and go to you first. What do you think? Do U.S. troops there really think that Iraq's police and military are ready for this?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kyra -- excuse me. Kyra, that's a yes and a no answer. In a vacuum, the Iraqi security forces simply are not yet up to this fight. There's hundreds and thousands of them in the Iraqi Army, the police, the national police. But their loyalties can be a question. Their equipment also may not be up to what they need.

And their procedures, despite endless hours of American training, they insist on doing it the way they prefer. And that's the way they knew under Saddam.

So, yes, can they hold the line right now? They can. General Ray Odierno is correct. But that's only because 130,000 American combat troops are still here on the ground..."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/29/sitroom.02.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Jackson's Mom Gets Kids; Michael Jackson's eBay Frenzy; Iran Officials: Election File "Closed"; Hondurans Protest Military Coups

Aired June 29, 2009 - 17:00 ET

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: "It's now past midnight in Iraq and the much anticipated deadline for U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraqi town and cities has arrived. The U.S. commander in charge in Iraq tells CNN's John King that he believes the country's military is up to the new challenge.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEN. RAY ODIERNO, CMDR. MULTI NATIONAL FORCE IRAQ: I do believe they're ready, John. They've been working towards this for a long time. And security remains good. We've seen constant improvement in the security forces. We've seen constant improvement in governance, and I believe this is the time for us to move out of the cities and for them to take ultimate responsibility.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MALVEAUX: Let's bring in our CNN's Michael Ware, who is in Baghdad on the ground. Michael, is the general right about this? What do you think? Are they ready?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's a yes and there's a no answer to this. In a vacuum, in the ultimate truth, no. No. Iraqi security forces as they exist could not hold this stability together as we've come to know it. What's important here is that the general's right to the degree that, yes, they can do it with 130,000 U.S. combat troops still here in this country, albeit retreating to their pre-approved bases. It's the U.S. forces who are still underwriting the relative security we have now here in Iraq. And it's the U.S. forces that provide what the general calls enablers. Now, that's going to be the helicopters, the heavy artillery, and the other things that will allow the Iraqi security forces to move forward..."

It is very obvious to me that Gen. Odierno's superiors would never let him publicly say what Michael Ware said to qualify his talking points which is why I definitely believe Michael Ware over Gen. Odierno!

2) Michael Ware made it very clear that "the men and women of the Armed Forces aren't coming home anytime really soon" because our troops are "underwriting the stability" in Iraq and are Iraq's "insurance policy." He also bluntly said "this doesn't mean any of the - the GIs are coming home any time soon" and he gave this answer "Betty, the answer's very simple: none" to the following question "So how many troops does this mean will actually be coming home because of the pullout?"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/ltm.02.html

AMERICAN MORNING

New Details on Michael Jackson Investigation, Meds Found in Singer's Home; Iraq Regains Control of Cities as U.S. Troops Pull Out; Reverse Discrimination Ruling Reversed; Toddler Survives Yemeni Plane Crash; Do Doctors Put Money Over Ethics?

Aired June 30, 2009 - 07:00 ET

KIRAN CHETRY, CNN ANCHOR: "Our Michael Ware is tracking things live in Baghdad this morning. And the other thing, you know, to say that, you know, there's been this mass pullout, I mean, we still have more than 100,000 troops in Iraq.

MICHAEL WARE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh, yes, let's not delude ourselves. We're not seeing a mass exodus of American troops. I mean, unfortunately, the men and women of the Armed Forces aren't coming home anytime really soon..."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/cnr.02.html

CNN NEWSROOM

U.S. Troops Have Completed Withdraw Out of Iraqi Cities; Iranian Government Declares Election Valid; Exiled Honduran President Calls on Military to End Clashes with His Supporters

Aired June 30, 2009 - 10:00 ET

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: "Michael. Let me ask you something very quickly. With this handover, are Iraqi security forces prepared for what's to come?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they're as prepared as they're going to be. I mean, they certainly aren't the security forces they were several years ago. They're still comprised of large chunks of the militias. Lots of work done to try to reconcile all the sides under one uniform, one banner. But at the end of the day, if things go badly, you will see the men within the uniforms choosing sides.

Also, they simply don't have the combat power to entirely fight the fight they may face. That's why the Americans are staying here. 130,000 troops, American soldiers, Marines, Air Force, Navy are still here. And they are going to be for some time; under President Obama's plan till August, under the agreement the Bush administration signed, they're allowed to stay for another 18 months.

They're underwriting the stability. They're the insurance policy, but, they take it a back seat role. They're in a supporting role now. They can only operate in the urban environments at the behest of the Iraqi government. So, even if they know where there is a bad guy and they want to go out and get something or stop something, they have to ask permission or wait until they're invited, Betty..."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/sm.01.html

CNN SUNDAY MORNING

Doctor Tells Police About Jackson's Final Moments; British Embassy Employees Arrested in Iran; Iraq Prepares To Lead Own Security Efforts

Aired June 28, 2009 - 06:00 ET

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: "CNN's Michael Ware joins us now live from Baghdad.

So how many troops does this mean will actually be coming home because of the pullout?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Betty, the answer's very simple: none. You're still going to have 130,000 U.S. troops based here in the country, though their hands military will very much be tied by the Iraqi government.

They've got to pull out of all of the Iraqi cities and towns; they retreat to pre-approved bases. And they can no longer conduct operations on their own in the cities without the express invitation or permission of the Iraqis.

We're still going to see a few troops, advisers embedded with Iraqi units. There are still going to be some joint operations and partner patrols. But unfortunately, this doesn't mean any of the - the GIs are coming home any time soon..."

3) Michael Ware made it very clear that we can probably expect to see more violence in Iraq:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/27/sitroom.01.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Remembering Pop Legend Michael Jackson; Syrian Ambassador Talks About U.S/Iranian Relations

Aired June 27, 2009 - 18:00 ET

WOLF BLITZER, HOST: "Why has there been, at least it seems like there's been an upsurge in violence, deadly violence over the past week or two?

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it all comes within, you know, the breadth of a longer running campaign. I mean, let's not think that just because a rocket slipped off the public radar, that people weren't dying here all this year. There were.

There's a broader bombing campaign trying to reignite the bloodbath of the sectarian civil war. But in the past week from bombings, mortar attacks, shootings, roadside explosions, at least 210 Iraqi civilians have been slaughtered. And many of them, I regret to report, are women and children because a lot of these blasts, a lot of these attacks are in market places.

This is ratcheting up the pressure. Not so much on the Americans. There's no questions about the Americans coming back in the streets, not unless the Iraqi government, which has been hardlined as a 180 and invites them. America is out of the decision-making process. The American-led war will be over as of Tuesday.

The real point I think here is to put pressure on the Iraqi government. The prime minister here staked his claim. He has said that I will stop the violence. He had success in Basra, some limited success in Sadr City last year. However, if this continues, it's he who will suffer at the ballot box next January, according to most diplomats and analysts here on the ground. Wolf?

BLITZER: Michael Ware, be careful over in Baghdad. We'll check in with you throughout the week. Michael Ware is reporting for us..."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/cnr.01.html

CNN NEWSROOM

Iranian Protestors Snatched From Hospital Beds and Arrested; Obama Expresses Concern After Coup in Honduras, Billy Mays Found Dead in His Tampa Home This Morning

Aired June 28, 2009 - 14:00 ET

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: "Tuesday's the deadline for most American troops to withdraw from Iraqi cities. The move pushed by the Iraqi government comes at a time of stepped up violence in Baghdad and other cities. CNN's Michael Ware is in Baghdad.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: After so much of this, American troops in blazing combat, the American-led war in Iraq is coming to an end. Despite successful elections and the people's return to a vaguely normal life, this is how the U.S. withdrawal is beginning to look.

A bombing in a Baghdad market where 72 people out shopping were killed, or here, this mosque in the north, where a suicide truck bomber killed 80, or in this Baghdad market for used motorbikes, with 15 more slain.

In less than a week, more than 200 Iraqis have been butchered across the country, prompting the government to warn people to stay away from crowded locations.

For one thing is almost certain, these attacks will continue as Al Qaeda and its allies attempt to bomb Iraq back into sectarian civil war, a war it will be up to Iraq's prime minister to prevent, for this no longer will be America's war.

By June 30, all U.S. forces will have retreated to their bases outside of Iraq's cities and towns. After six long, brutal years, they're now reduced to a supporting role at the behest of the Iraqis.

Though 130,000 troops will remain, they'll be unable to launch operations of their own within the cities, nor even detain suspected enemy combatants without the permission of invitation of the government of Iraq..."

All of this violence going on and our troops not being able to do anything about it without the permission of the Iraqi government puts us in an extremely vulnerable and awkward position in my opinion!

Michael Ware has definitely proven to my satisfaction that the Iraqi security forces are NOT ready to handle the load without our help, that our troops will probably be in Iraq for a long time, and that our troops will be in a very dangerous and violent environment where they are basically fighting with one hand tied behind their back. That is because "they'll be unable to launch operations of their own within the cities, nor even detain suspected enemy combatants without the permission of invitation of the government of Iraq."

In my opinion, Iraq is going to be very risky and difficult. We are not in control of this situation because we need "the permission of invitation of the government of Iraq" to do anything. Along with the economy and other foreign policy issues, this is something that Obama and the Democratic majority will be judged on in the 2010 and 2012 elections. While I definitely think that Iraq is Bush's fault, Obama will probably own whatever happens in Iraq in the eyes of most of middle America during the 2010 and 2012 elections!

While what I mentioned in this post is obviously not good news, it is realistic and in my opinion a post like this is needed to cut through all of the talking points about Iraq that will be coming from many politicians and generals on the ground over the next few months and years. I am glad that there are still credible and honest reporters left like Michael Ware who will bluntly tell the truth even when it is not pleasant!

Mitch Dworkin

http://mitchdworkin.com/
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/sotu.01.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

Interview With General Odierno; Interview With Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty

Aired June 28, 2009 - 09:00 ET

JOHN KING, HOST: "What do you make then, sir, if you say you're still very confident you will keep that, the former Iraqi national security adviser is quoted in the New York Times just today saying we need to extend the status of forces agreement to 2020 or 2025. I just hope Prime Minister al-Maliki realizes we don't have competent security forces yet..."

Here is the link to the New York Times article that John King was referring to which suggests that we will be in Iraq longer than expected:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/weekinreview/28nordland.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Ready or Not, Iraq’s Military Prepares to Stand on Its Own

By ROD NORDLAND
Published: June 27, 2009

AL ASAD, Iraq — "Maj. Gen. Fadhil Jameel Birwari, commander of the Iraqi Special Forces’ First Brigade, granted a brief interview early this month at a celebration of the opening of a base for one of his battalions within the larger expanse of the Forward Operating Base here...

It was a small but illuminating episode. No doubt, many Iraqi military and police units are competent enough to operate on their own, but most military analysts who have studied the matter will concede that many if not most still are not. “We need to extend the SOFA” — the Status of Forces Agreement between Iraq and America — “to 2020, 2025,” said Qassim Daoud, an independent Shiite legislator and former national security adviser.

He said he believed that the current deadline for total withdrawal, the end of 2011, is unattainable, even though Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki insisted on it when the agreement was negotiated with President George W. Bush last year. “I just hope the prime minister realizes we don’t have competent security forces yet.”

Come July 1, most American combat troops remaining in the cities will become trainers. In some cases that will be nothing more than a semantic dodge. For the most part, it really will be happening, and many Iraqi troops will indeed be on their own by Wednesday..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 1, 2009 - 5:18am.

the right question "Are our priorities a little screwed up?"

Good for John King for saying about Iraq: "And we won't forget it here for obvious reasons. There are still, as the general said, 131,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, some key deadlines coming up. The question is, will they be home on time? So it does get overshadowed, I would argue, too much. It's a very important story, and we'll keep covering it:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/sotu.02.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

State of the Union: Reliable Sources

Aired June 28, 2009 - 10:00 ET

JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: "I'm John King and this is STATE OF THE UNION.

Here are stories breaking this Sunday morning...

KING: Despite an uptick in violence (AUDIO GAP) already to take over when U.S. combat troops pull out of Baghdad and other cities on Tuesday. Speaking on STATE OF THE UNION, General Ray Odierno says his's seen constant improvement in both the security situation and governance in Iraq...

Time now to go back to Howie Kurtz and his RELIABLE SOURCES.

Hey, Howie.

HOWARD KURTZ, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, John.

You know, you led off this morning with General Odierno talking about the U.S. pullout from major Iraqi cities, which is supposed to be completed by Tuesday. And as you know, a series of bombings this week left more than 200 dead, and yet the coverage this week on cable and, to some extent, on the broadcast networks, Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett, Mark Sanford.

Are our priorities a little screwed up?

KING: Well, well of those things you just mentioned are legitimate news stories, but sometimes Iraq has become, I believe, the forgotten war. And we won't forget it here for obvious reasons. There are still, as the general said, 131,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, some key deadlines coming up. The question is, will they be home on time? So it does get overshadowed, I would argue, too much. It's a very important story, and we'll keep covering it.

KURTZ: I would agree with you, overshadowed too much. Thanks very much, John..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 1, 2009 - 1:26pm.

yet.  Richard Engel said at about 03:00 into this video that "If American troops left right now, the Iraqi security forces would crumble.  They can‘t sustain themselves:"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/31672810#31672810  (08:27)


Richard Engel offers a front line view
June 30: NBC News chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel joins guest host Alison Stewart to talk about U.S. combat troops leaving major Iraq cities and shares video of fighting in Afghanistan.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/31672810#31672810  (08:27)

Here is the key portion of the transcript of this video (Richard Engel's quote below starts at about 03:00 into the video above):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31682537/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/

'The Rachel Maddow Show' for Tuesday, June 30
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show

Guest Host: Alison Stewart

Guests: Howard Fineman, Amy Klobuchar, Chris Hayes, Richard Engel, Stacey Phillips, Kent Jones

ALISON STEWART, GUEST HOST:  "Pride can only take you so far.  Are the forces prepared, Iraqi forces? 

RICHARD ENGEL, NBC CHIEF FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT:  No, no they‘re not.  If American troops left right now, the Iraqi security forces would crumble.  They can‘t sustain themselves.  The Americans provide all of the air support, a lot of the intelligence, a lot of the logistics.  Many Iraqi troops live on joint bases with the Americans.  Payroll issues are a problem..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2009 - 6:32am.

Here are two short CNN videos of Michael Ware showing how our troops celebrated the Fourth of July in Iraq (I think that he is very positive when he interacts with the troops which is a good thing):

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/04/iraq.troops.softball.cnn  (1:08)


Fourth of July with the troops 1:08
CNN's Michael Ware celebrates the Fourth of July with troops in Iraq.

Source: CNN
Added On July 4, 2009

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/04/iraq.troops.softball.cnn  (1:08)

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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/07/04/ware.iraq.4th.of.july.cnn  (0:58)


Fourth of July in Iraq :58
CNN's Michael Ware takes a look at how one Army division is celebrating the Fourth of July in Iraq.

Source: CNN
Added On July 4, 2009

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/07/04/ware.iraq.4th.of.july.cnn  (0:58)

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Here is a separate CNN transcript of Michael Ware giving a Fourth of July report in Iraq to T.J. Holmes (I did not see a video of this dialogue on CNN or on YouTube yet):

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/04/smn.01.html

CNN SATURDAY MORNING NEWS

North Korea Test-Fires Seven Missiles; Palin's Resignation is a Head-Scratcher; Biden Visits U.S. Troops, Meets Officials in Iraq; Powerful Sedative Found in Michael Jackson's Home

Aired July 4, 2009 - 06:00   ET

T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: "Speaking of U.S. troops, in Iraq though, they're keeping the spirit of Independence Day alive.

Our international correspondent Michael Ware with the troops at Camp Hammer just outside Baghdad, where Fourth of July celebrations have kicked off.

Michael, we were talking here just a few minutes ago about Iraq there had essentially their own kind of sovereignty or Independence Day on Tuesday. But the soldiers are celebrating American Independence Day now.

MICHAEL WARE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Exactly right, T.J.

Happy Fourth of July to you, and happy Fourth of July to all the -- the lads of the 82nd Airborne.

We're here at Fob (ph) Hammer, which may you guess from the sandstorm and all the sand, is in the deserts in Iraq.

Right now, we've got a softball game going on, on the Fourth of July tournament for the coveted championship, what would be -- a mug or a rock.

What we've got going on right now is a brigade support battalion is playing the 573rd Cav. And just to give you an idea of what it's like here on Fourth of July, here's a soldier I've prepared earlier, 1st Sgt. Muznicki (ph). He's here with the 82nd Airborne.

Sarge, what's it like, Fourth of July? Happy Fourth of July.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is it. This is what it's like. You can't see about -- what? -- 500 feet in front of you. And this is it -- dusty, sandy Iraq. Hot, too.

WARE: So we're going to have a barbecue, hot dogs. What's going to go on? Fireworks? Hopefully not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not on this.

WARE: How (ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We probably won't last long if we shot up some rockets here.

WARE: So how are the lads celebrating?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we had a -- we will probably have a cookout tonight, and then the softball game all day. And I wish you could film the mess hall; the dining facility is really pimped out with a lot of cool stuff.

WARE: So I saw.

So there's a massive happy Fourth of July cake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there is. There is.

WARE: And bunting and the whole deal. So...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

WARE: At least we're giving it a go, hey?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.

WARE: Trying to make it feel like Fourth of July.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are. We are. We're trying to do our best.

WARE: And that's what it's like over here, T.J., from the beautifully sandblown Fob Hammer in southeast Iraq.

HOLMES: Well, we appreciate you showing us that. It's interesting to see Fourth of July in -- in Baghdad and in Iraq. I guess you're limited in what you could do with your fireworks there.

But also, on a serious note here with Joe Biden, tell us about how he's going to -- to wrap up his trip. Is Michael still with me?

WARE: Yes, I'm still here, T.J. It's -- it's a little bit difficult to hear you, but I'm here.

Yes, that's right; the vice president is here in Iraq. He arrived last evening. He has a number of meetings, obviously, as one would expect, with both American commanders on the ground; members of the U.S. mission; the ambassador, Christopher Hill; and of course, with senior Iraqi officials.

We are -- we're -- obviously, we're not told about how they're going or how they're faring. One thing I do know is that because of the -- the arduous conditions here, plans to host several events at the embassy had to be relocated because they weren't able to chopper him across the city.

But just before we go, I want to give the first sarge a chance to -- to give a bit of a shoutout.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'd like to say happy Fourth of July to my name, Diane Muznicki (ph). She's probably getting up right now and going to work. I love you very much, and I'll be home soon.

WARE: And that's straight from the heart. You -- I couldn't have said it better myself, T.J.

HOLMES: All right. We are glad we could get that in. We appreciate you dealing with those conditions. I know it's tough to -- to hear and see, Michael. But thank you so much. We'll talk to you guys again soon..."

Submitted by bill on July 5, 2009 - 2:11pm.

to what extent and when will we equipt Iraq with air power
and heavy armor?

Iraq will need to be able to defend itself in a regional
conflict

but not so well armed that it can completely suppress the Kurds or the Suni

will it take a generation before we know if these groups will
be able to get along?

Bill (from RI)

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 5, 2009 - 4:09pm.

asked by reporters the same kind of good questions that you are asking and he could not give any definite answers.

Watch this YouTube video where a reporter keeps on pressing Gen. Odierno for specifics and Odierno keeps on saying that he does not know, that any number he gives today could change tomorrow, and that future decisions will be made by conditions on the ground:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbc6mFkHn9k

Gen. Ray Odierno's Irritation w/ Reporters Over Remaining Trainers/Troop Levels in Iraq Drawdown (5:27)

Addicted2News
July 01, 2009

"(6/30/09) General Ray Odierno's frustration w/ reporters questioning about the types and number of soldiers in and outside Baghdad and the timeline of troop withdrawal from Iraq."

Here is the transcript of part of this exchange:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/cnr.02.html

CNN NEWSROOM

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Aired June 30, 2009 - 10:00 ET

GEN. RAYMOND ODIERDNO, COMMANDING GENERAL, MULTI-NATIONAL FORCES, IRAQ: "As we continue to move towards our objective of a sovereign, secure, stable and self-reliant Iraq. Thirty June, 2009 also marks a significant milestone for Iraq as the Iraqi security forces assume responsibility for security within the cities across the country. It is a day Iraqis celebrate as they continue to move towards exercising their full sovereignty.

In accordance with the security agreement between the United States and Iraq, U.S. combat forces have completed the withdrawal out of Iraqi cities. A small number of U.S. forces will remain in cities to train, advise, coordinate with Iraqi security forces, as well as enable them to move forward. We will also support civil capacity efforts led by the U.S. embassy Baghdad, the government of Iraq and the United Nations Assistance Mission here in Iraq. Outside the cities, U.S. forces will continue to conduct full spectrum and stability operations by with and through our Iraqi security force partners.

Our combined efforts will establish a layer defense as Iraqis secure the cities, our combat forces partnering with Iraqi security forces will secure the belts and borders in an attempt to eliminate safe havens and sanctuaries and limit freedom of movement of insurgents and prevent the facilitation of foreign fighters through the borders. The U.S. is committed to full transparent and continued implementation of the security agreement in a spirit of partnership with the sovereign nation of Iraq.

The Iraqi people should be very proud of the dedication, progress and sacrifice of the Iraqi security forces and the government of Iraq. Their accomplishments in preparing for this day are commendable. The American people can also be very proud, as well, of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and coast guardsmen, as well as our civilians that have worked so hard over the past years and tirelessly and sacrifice so much in helping the people of Iraq progress towards a peaceful and democratic society.

So, with that, I'd be happy to take your questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right here, we'll start with Andrew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: General, this is Andrew (inaudible) from Reuters. You talked about a small number of U.S. forces remaining in the cities to train and advise. Can you put a figure? How many U.S. forces will remain?

ODIERNO: Yes, people have been trying to get me to say a figure now for about a month. The reason I won't do it is because it's going to be different every single day, and it will be based on how much training and how much advising and how much coordination is required. That will change each and every day.

So, I won't put a number on it. It is a smaller number, a significantly smaller number than what we had in the cities now, but it has very significant missions. Train Iraqi security forces, advise them as we continue to move forward and enable them in order to potentially, if they need, some help with aviation and logistics, et cetera but almost as important, coordinate and help us to continue our situational awareness of all situations within Iraq and that will help us to better support the Iraqi security forces.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: General, just to follow up briefly, I'm disappointed you didn't give us the scoop after a month of holding out, but I wonder if you could at least give us, you know, is it a few thousand -- if you can give us kind of a ballpark, are we talking about several thousand? Would that be a reasonable ballpark to use?

ODIERNO: Again, there's hundreds of cities around and we have hundreds of -- you know, and I've let the vocal commanders to work this out. To let me give a number would frankly be inaccurate, and I just don't want to do it. There'll be trainers, advisors helping throughout all of the Iraqi cities where we continue to support and advise Iraqi security forces.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whatever the number is, how are you going to convince them, basically, the U.S. forces remaining, not to jump in and be helpful where perhaps you would prefer that the Iraqis take the lead? What will be different about what they're told to do in a situation where they might think their first instinct is, "Gosh, we can do that better."

ODIERNO: Well, again, this is, I call it -- we are working on changing our mindsets in the city, and I equate it to when we first started the surge. Where had to change our mindsets of pushing our soldiers back out and get back into the communities and really partnering with the Iraqi security forces and today it's the same kind of thing.

We have to change our mindset. When we're in the cities, there are very specific things we can do. Actually, we have been out of the cities, a large majority of the cities now for the last eight months. So it's really only Mosul and the last remnants that we've had in Baghdad that pulled out ever the past few weeks. So we've actually been implementing this in parts of Baghdad for a very long time. And they understand what their mission is. They understand what we expect them to do.

And, you know, we have worked this very closely with all the leaders in Iraq. I have worked very closely with the minister of defense, the minister of interior and the operational commanders in order to work this out and I feel very comfortable with where we're at.

BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: And you've been listening to the commander of multinational forces in Iraq, that being General Ray Odierno talking about the handover in Iraq where U.S. forces have left the major cities, giving that control back to Iraqi security forces, although none of those troops will be coming home as of yet. They will be playing a back-up role, a supportive role as they're called upon by their Iraqi security forces. We'll be keeping an eye on this story for you and bring you the latest as things develop..."

I do not know when we will equip Iraq with air power and heavy armor.

We have no idea when Iraq will be able to defend itself and how long that we will be staying there in my opinion. What I do know is what Michael Ware said which is that "the men and women of the Armed Forces aren't coming home anytime really soon" because our troops are "underwriting the stability" in Iraq and are Iraq's "insurance policy" which I quoted in point 2 of this post.

We obviously cannot stay in Iraq forever but I very seriously doubt that Obama will ever allow Iraq be viewed as having been lost on his watch. If Obama has to choose between either our staying in Iraq for a very long time so that the government there does not fall or having to break his campaign promise to withdraw all of our combat troops from Iraq, then I think that he would choose for us to stay in Iraq so that the war will not be viewed as having been lost on his watch. That is just my opinion of this situation.

So without a crystal ball, I have no idea how long that we will be staying in Iraq for and I honestly cannot see Obama pulling all of our combat troops out of Iraq if he knows that will probably result in the Iraqi government falling on his watch.

With how things look right now, I agree with Thomas Ricks and I think that we will be staying in Iraq for a long time (but that is my opinion only and I realize that anything can always change at any moment either for the better or for the worse):

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/02/13/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4801483.shtml

February 13, 2009 3:48 PM
Thomas Ricks: Obama’s Iraq War Will Be Long
Posted by Michelle Levi

"On CBSNews.com’s “Washington Unplugged” today, author and Washington Post pentagon reporter Thomas Ricks suggested that the United States was nowhere near the finish line of its effort in Iraq..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/thomas-ricks-war-in-iraq_n_165002.html

Thomas Ricks: War In Iraq Is Not Over (VIDEO)

Huffington Post | February 8, 2009 12:10 PM

"Ricks, a war correspondent for the Washington Post thinks that predictions that we have won the war in Iraq are too soon by far, and that we have a long way yet to go with the outcome still uncertain..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 19, 2009 - 12:13pm.

when he quoted Gen. Ray Odierno telling the Pentagon "Look, we can't - the plan is to pull them out over the next year. Let's not do this too fast because there are all of these worries:"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/17/sitroom.02.html

THE SITUATION ROOM

Florida Couple Murdered; Bombers Strike Marriott & Ritz Hotels; Caught in Swine Flu Fears

Aired July 17, 2009 - 17:00 ET

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "We will see what happens in the Afghan elections in August. That's going to be critical as well. Iraq, not very far away. You know a lot about this subject. I pick up my home town newspaper, "The Washington Post". And there's a lead, Anthony Shadid, a great reporter, from Irbil in Northern Iraq, the Kurdish area. Let me just read this to you.

"Iraq's autonomous Kurdish region and the Iraqi government, are closer to war than at any time in the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, a Kurdish prime minister said Thursday.

Closer to war, Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Shiites?

BOB WOODWARD, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, first of all, the Kurdish region is very independent. They value their independence. They want more of the oil revenue. That's something that really has not been worked out.

BLITZER: Could this whole Iraq experiment just simply collapse now that U.S. forces are out of the major cities? And eventually, not too far down the road, U.S. forces are going to be gone.

WOODWARD: Well, I wouldn't call it the Iraq experiment. I would call it the Iraq war. It is not over. We have 130,000 of our troops sitting there outside the cities, The general, Odierno, has told the Pentagon, said, "Look, we can't - the plan is to pull them out over the next year. Let's not do this too fast because there are all of these worries."

And the problem in the north, with the Kurds, is only one of them. The other one is Al Qaeda and the insurgency. They have not been eliminated in Iraq. It is still a violent country. There are still questions about how do you get a political solution there. Here we are, six months into the Obama administration, and he has George Bush's wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq, still very much on the table.

BLITZER: I know you are working on a book on the Obama administration that will be out next year. We will look forward to that. Bob Woodward, thanks for coming in.

WOODWARD: Thank you..."

Here is the Washington Post article that Wolf Blitzer quoted about Iraq in this interview with Bob Woodward:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071604369.html

Kurdish Leaders Warn Of Strains With Maliki
Military Conflict a Possibility, One Says

By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, July 17, 2009

IRBIL, Iraq, July 16 -- "Iraq's autonomous Kurdish region and the Iraqi government are closer to war than at any time since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, the Kurdish prime minister said Thursday, in a bleak measure of the tension that has risen along what U.S. officials consider the country's most combustible fault line..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 23, 2009 - 9:31pm.

I think that we are probably going to be in Iraq for a very long time because I do not see any light at the end of the tunnel to this:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/23/sotu.01.html

STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING

Interview With Admiral Mullen, Ambassador Eikenberry; Interview With 3 Key U.S. Senators

Aired August 23, 2009 - 09:00 ET

JOHN KING, HOST: "We are running short on time, but Admiral Mullen, a couple quick questions for you in closing. Here's the U.S. troop level in Iraq, down now to in the mid-120,000. We were at about 140,000 at the beginning of the year. Horrific violence this past week. Many saying just what was to be expected. They knew the U.S. troops were coming out, that the insurgents, those who want to commit violence, waited. Are you concerned about what's happening in the context of the Iraqi response and to whether you'll be able to keep this timeline to keep pulling U.S. troops out?

ADMIRAL MICHAEL MULLEN, CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS: Extremely concerned by the incidents last week. I think everybody was, and the key is whether this is an indicator of future sectarian violence. And certainly, many of us believe that one way that this can come unwound is through sectarian violence.

Our leadership's focussed on it. I know the leadership in politically and militarily in Iraq is very focussed on that. We've got also a little longer-term focus through the elections in January, and then after that, you know, that slope that you see there on the right-hand side of your graph is going to continue pretty dramatically between March and August of next year. The message is that the Iraqi leadership really has to take control and ensure...

KING: Is there a risk -- is there a risk this stops?

MULLEN: There's always a risk. We have not seen a lot of this really until last week. And we've seen some positive signs up north, where possibilities existed before, but it's something we're all very, very mindful of and watching very carefully. Not just us from here, but our troops on the ground there as well..."

Here is the CNN video link of this interview (the portion about Iraq in the transcript above takes place at about 4:36 into the video):

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/08/23/sotu.afghanistan.cnn

The road ahead in Afghanistan 6:41
The U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff discuss the war-torn country.

Source: CNN
Added On August 23, 2009

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/08/23/sotu.afghanistan.cnn

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 3, 2010 - 6:14am.

in my opinion (the bolding in the CNN transcript below is my emphasis):

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/02/cnr.05.html

CNN NEWSROOM

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Aired August 2, 2010 - 13:00   ET

ED HENRY, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: "I mean, look, every other week, this president is hammered by one interest group or another for not fulfilling a campaign promise.

ALI VELSHI, CNN ANCHOR: Right.

HENRY: He said -- and this is really the thing that fueled his campaign, we forget that. But early on in 2007, it was differentiating himself from Senator Clinton on the war in Iraq --

VELSHI: Right.

HENRY: -- that really sort of fueled the sort of push on the left, the momentum that he got, if you will, and then started attacking toward the center. But he is fulfilling this campaign promise. But the challenge in the months ahead is going to be, when you talk to Arwa Damon, our correspondent who's been in Iraq since 2003, on and off, basically, she says the situation on the ground is much worse than U.S. officials are saying.

VELSHI: Right.

HENRY: And Iraqi officials in recent days have put out statistics saying July was actually one of the worst months, one of the deadliest months in two years.

VELSHI: Right.

HENRY: The administration is pushing back hard and saying they don't believe those Iraqi numbers, but it does raise the question, there's going to be some celebrating now, but six months, a year from now, is the Iraqi government going to be stable?

VELSHI: So, we're down -- we'll be down, according to President Obama, to 50,000 troops by the end of August left in Afghanistan, as you said --

HENRY: In Iraq.

VELSHI: In Iraq, I'm sorry.

HENRY: There's 100,000 U.S. troops pretty soon in Afghanistan.

Now, interesting, the White House doesn't want to sort of declare victory, because I asked Robert Gibbs --

VELSHI: Well, that's what I was going to say, is there going to be a banner "Mission Accomplished" --

HENRY: Well, that's why they don't want -- when I asked Robert Gibbs this in the briefing a few months ago, he said, look, we're not putting a banner up. They learned that lesson from the Bush administration.

VELSHI: Right.

HENRY: But it does raise a fair question, which is: if the president is going to tout this now as his campaign promise, did the U.S. win this war or not?

VELSHI: Right..."

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