A lesson for Ed Schultz about Blue Dog Dems: Accept them or risk losing Congress
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 1, 2009 - 5:50pm.
Democratic politics
Hello Everyone:
Here is the transcript of some statements that Ed Schultz made on his MSNBC program on Monday, July 28 about Blue Dog Democrats and health care which I think shows that he needs to learn an important lesson about this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32202316/ns/msnbc_tv-tucker/
'The Ed Show' for Tuesday, July 28
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show
Guests: Jack Reed, Earl Blumenauer, Maggie Mahar, Patti Higgins, Stephen A. Smith, Ron Christie, Sam Stein, Michael McGraw, Jamal Simmons, Roy Sekoff
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Senator, the Democrats have 60 votes. You‘ve got it right there for the taking, but the Republicans are still telling you what to do, how high to jump, when to jump, and everything else. There are several Democrats on the Finance Committee, though, who do support a public option...
Where‘s the controversy?
The controversy is within the confines of the caucus of the Democratic Party that I think is not listening to the people out there. One thing is for sure—we‘re going to find out how unacceptable this is. You see, the other side says, well, everything‘s going to be just fine. I want the passion in this..."
Ed Schultz has also previously blasted Blue Dog Democrats very hard earlier last month on July 10:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31890048/ns/msnbc_tv-tucker/
'The Ed Show' for Friday, July 10
Read the transcript to the Friday show
Guests: Keith Ellison, Zack Space, Adam Schiff, Ray Young, Robert Reich, Virg Bernero, Stephanie Miller, Michael Medved, Maria Teresa Kumar
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Those damn Blue Dog Democrats are causing problems on Capitol Hill again. I‘m in a fighting mood tonight. They just want to make all these changes, and they‘re not for a public option...
SCHULTZ: Well, I guess the best way to say this to you, folks, is it looks to me like we have some Blue Dog Democrats that need some Big Eddie counseling tonight. As Richard Nixon used to say, they don‘t have their heads screwed on right.
Now, the Blue Dog Dems are out there threatening to stand in the way of a public option on health care reform. They are demanding significant changes before they can support any reform.
Now, there‘s 52 of these Blue Dogs. Forty-six of them have signed on saying that they‘ve got some real concerns about if we go into the private sector and give the private insurance companies some competition.
What is it that they are afraid of? Are they afraid that somebody might, when they go home, call them a liberal? Are they afraid that somebody might say, “You‘re too liberal”?..."
Ed Schultz in my opinion has shown he does NOT understand that his ONLY two choices are to either accept Blue Dogs Democrats in Congress and try to work with them OR alienate them which could seriously risk Democrats losing control of Congress to the Republicans in the 2010 mid term election. As badly as Ed Schultz wants it, there is no other realistic choice outside of the two that I mentioned!
The answer to Ed Schultz's question that he asked about Blue Dog Democrats is "Yes" when he asked on July 10 "Are they afraid that somebody might, when they go home, call them a liberal? Are they afraid that somebody might say, “You‘re too liberal”?
Dana Bash of CNN explained on Monday, July 27 exactly why the answer is "Yes" to Ed Schultz's question:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/27/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Dems vs. Dems in Health Debate; 'Two Black Men' Not in Gates 911 Call; 'Cash for Clunkers' Offers Big Rebates
Aired July 27, 2009 - 16:00 ET
DANA BASH, CNN SR. CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: "The reason why we're here is because just down the hall, House Democrats are about to start, Wolf, a five-hour seminar. That's right, a five-hour seminar to help explain their health care plan. And they are certainly going to seize on what you said, this CBO report, saying some good news from the Democrats' perspective about their idea for a government-run health insurance option. They're hoping that that will help persuade skittish members of their own party, especially some conservatives who are worried about answering to their -- conservative Democrats worrying about answering to their constituents.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BASH (voice-over): Talk to Congressman Gerry Connolly about the House Democrats' health care plan and you hear this...
REP. GERRY CONNOLLY (D), VIRGINIA: I think it's premature to be talking about a tax increase.
BASH: Connolly is a freshman Democrat elected from a traditionally Republican district in northern Virginia, and Exhibit A of an ironic twist. A big reason for the Democratic divide delaying health care reform may be that Democrats are a victim of their own election year successes.
Democrats' huge House majority comes from winning and holding 27 Republican districts in 2006 and an additional 26 Republican seats in 2008. That means Democrats like Connolly have to answer to and represent conservative-leaning districts wary of many aspects of their party's health care reform.
CONNOLLY: I think it's very important to remember that a lot of suburban districts such as mine switched and supported both President Obama and Democrats in Congress. And I think it's very important that the message we send to those districts not be a negative one, that we're taking into account their concerns.
BASH: Concerns like tax increases, which Republicans are already stoking with press releases and a media blitz in the works targeting Connolly and other vulnerable Democrats.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SENATE MINORITY LEADER: Democrat leaders are going to walk their members down the plank on nationalizing our health care system here in this country and require them to vote on a massive new tax increase in small businesses.
BASH (on camera): Are you worried that if this is done wrong, that this could jeopardize your seat and others like you?
CONNOLLY: Well, when you run for Congress on some of these big issues, you want to make sure you get it right. And that's really where we are right now. We want to make sure we get it right.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BASH: Much to the chagrin of the White House and Democratic leaders, that is something we're hearing more and more from rank-and- file Democrats. And there is also concern that they don't really know what's in the Democratic leaders' plan. It's over a thousand pages, and that is why we are down here, because we are waiting for a meeting where House Democratic leaders are going to try to educate and persuade their rank-and-file Democrats to go along with their bill..."
Here is the CNN video link to watch this report from Dana Bash:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/07/27/bash.house.democrats.divided.cnn (2:34)
House Democrats divided 2:34
House Democrats remain divided on their support for health care reform. CNN's Dana Bash reports.
Source: CNN
Added On July 27, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/07/27/bash.house.democrats.divided.cnn (2:34)
Even E.J. Dionne understood in 2006 that "Moderates were, indeed, central to the Democrats' triumph," that Democrats won in 2006 mainly because of Iraq and the failure of Bush's policies, and he also understood that "The new Democratic voters are a mix of social conservatives (especially in the South and parts of the Midwest such as Indiana) and social libertarians (especially in the West):"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/11/both_parties_need_to_recognize.html
November 14, 2006
Busting This Year's Election Myths
By E. J. Dionne
"Moderates were, indeed, central to the Democrats' triumph because Republicans vacated the political center. But these are angry moderates. Many are unhappy about Iraq, less on ideological grounds than because the Bush policy is such an obvious failure. The new Democratic voters are a mix of social conservatives (especially in the South and parts of the Midwest such as Indiana) and social libertarians (especially in the West). Many (especially in the Midwest) are angry about the flight of manufacturing jobs overseas..."
Many Democrats in Congress who won in the 2006 and 2008 elections mainly won because of Bush's unpopularity which even Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell publicly admitted to:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/27/gop.comeback/?iref=mpstoryview
updated 5:44 p.m. EDT, Fri March 27, 2009
Without Bush 'millstone,' GOP can mount comeback, leader says
From Ted Barrett
CNN Congressional Producer
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- "Despite crushing defeats in the last two elections, Senate Republicans have new "energy and enthusiasm" for winning back the majority, according to their leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
"President Bush had become extremely unpopular, and politically he was sort of a millstone around our necks in both '06 and '08," McConnell told reporters Friday. "We now have the opportunity to be on offense, offer our own ideas and we will win some..."
Bush is no longer around so the mid term election in 2010 will be a referendum on Obama instead of Bush. Even Democratic strategist Paul Begala understands this concept when he said on July 30 that Democrats in Congress who are running in 2010 feel as "nervous as a hooker in church:"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/30/sitroom.02.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Custody Deal on Jackson's Kids; White House Beer Chat; Neda's Grave Is Scene of New Clash; Taliban Code of Conduct
Aired July 30, 2009 - 17:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Because, Paul, with every month that goes by it's going to be increasingly more difficult for him to blame Bush.
PAUL BEGALA, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Absolutely. And I -- but he has, as the poets have said, world enough in time. He (Obama) doesn't have to run until 2012. He has his party up in 2010.
BLITZER: And they're nervous.
BEGALA: I was on Capitol Hill this morning. Believe me, they're nervous as a hooker in church. They want to make sure that things are doing better by the time they run. And here's the thing. They have to pass a health care bill. They have to. Something that the president can sign..."
While many Democrats in Congress are worried about losing in 2010, that is especially true for Blue Dog Democrats who are running in more conservative areas that have usually been held by Republicans!
Dana Bash of CNN who answered Ed Schultz's question on July 27 about Blue Dog Democrats worrying about being about being called "too liberal" above also explained on July 31 the extra pressure that many Blue Dog Democrats are feeling in 2010 because they know that an "onslaught of Republican ads and ads from outside groups are coming" and "if you're a vulnerable Democrat, prepare for the political tsunami on health care:"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/31/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Obama Administration Does Self-Grading; Lawmakers Leave, Health Reform Waits; Economy Inches Away From 'The Edge'
Aired July 31, 2009 - 15:59 ET
JOHN KING, CNN ANCHOR: "Another issue you care about, how much work the nation's lawmakers have done or failed to do. Right now, House members are heading for the exits for the congressional summer recess. But still unfinished, work on major health care changes. How might the time off affect that debate?
Let's bring in CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent as the House leaves, Dana Bash -- Dana.
DANA BASH, CNN SR. CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, John, look, you know that leaving for Congress, it is sort of standard operating procedure for leaders to give their members talking points. But this time, getting this card from the speaker's office for Democrats is critically important because -- and I think we have it to show you on the wall -- also, it gives them very important message points about what they can do for their health care plan, what it does for people, and also some defense about what it does not do for people. And this is something that they think is critically important for rank-and-file Democrats to use because they know the onslaught of Republican ads and ads from outside groups are coming.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BASH (voice-over): After the last vote, the exodus. House members rushing home for the entire month of August. And if you're a vulnerable Democrat, prepare for the political tsunami on health care.
REP. TOM PERRIELLO (D), VIRGINIA: They're going to get the first shot in, the 30-second attack. But the more people know, the more they like what we're doing. And that's going to be good for us over the long term.
BASH: Tom Perriello is a freshman Democrat who only won his conservative Virginia district by .2 of one percentage point. He's undecided about his party's health care plan and will use August with his constituents to decide.
PERRIELLO: Eighteen counties, 18 "Tom in your Towns" and meetings with elected officials and doctors and others, road-testing this. I haven't committed on the bill.
BASH: Democratic leaders are hoping to defend Democrats like Perriello from withering Republican attacks by arming them with a media strategy from power points to simple message ideas -- hold insurance companies accountable, remove them from between you and your doctor. To get their message out, Democratic leaders suggest using town halls, Twitter, Facebook.
Pennsylvania Democrat Jason Altmire rolls his eyes at those instructions.
REP. JASON ALTMIRE (D), PENNSYLVANIA: The House bill is, in my opinion, flawed.
BASH: He's a vulnerable Democrat who voted against his party's health care plan in committee and says Democratic leaders have put Democrats like him from conservative districts in a tough spot by including controversial proposals in their health care plan like a tax increase.
ALTMIRE: ... go back to their district and explain to their constituents why they took a politically unpopular vote. It just was tone deaf to me.
BASH: He insists he's not worried about the onslaught of ads, calls and protests that await him at home.
ALTMIRE: At least it's encouraging debate. We didn't ram this through. We took the August recess to allow the country's voice to be heard.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BASH: Now, every Democratic lawmaker I spoke with today said that they were elected on a promise to reform the health care system, and they believe at the end of the day, that will get done. But the key, they said, is to regain the message from Republicans to explain what they're going to do for you, not to you, as Republicans are saying.
And they're very much treating this, John, like a political campaign. In fact, one of the Democratic leaders insisted today they are not going to get swift-boated during the month of August.
KING: Interesting use of words.
Dana Bash on Capitol Hill.
It will be quite interesting to match up what they say now with what they say when they come back.
Dana, thanks very much..."
Ed Schultz in my opinion does not seem to understand that a liberal Democrat under most circumstances cannot win in a conservative district or state just like how a conservative Republican under most circumstances cannot win in a liberal district or state. That is why Rahm Emanuel recruited these moderate and conservative Democrats for Congress when he ran the Campaign Committee:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/27/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Dems vs. Dems in Health Debate; 'Two Black Men' Not in Gates 911 Call; 'Cash for Clunkers' Offers Big Rebates
Aired July 27, 2009 - 16:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Gloria, isn't the fight, though, right now in the House on the Democratic side?
GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Absolutely.
You know, there are those 52 moderate and conservative Democrats you were just talking about before, many of whom, ironically, were recruited to run for Congress by none other than the White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, when he ran the Campaign Committee.
And now that they're there, they have got concerns about costs, about rural health care, all kinds of things..."
Even Ed Schultz's liberal guest Sam Stein told him this about Rahm Emanuel on his own program:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32202316/ns/msnbc_tv-tucker/
'The Ed Show' for Tuesday, July 28
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show
Guests: Jack Reed, Earl Blumenauer, Maggie Mahar, Patti Higgins, Stephen A. Smith, Ron Christie, Sam Stein, Michael McGraw, Jamal Simmons, Roy Sekoff
SAM STEIN, “THE HUFFINGTON POST”: "There‘s two aspects to this story which I find fascinating. The first was pointed out by Congresswoman Maxine Waters today, which is that the House Democrats recruited these Blue Dogs under the leadership of Rahm Emanuel, now the chief of staff in the White House, in order to bolster the majorities in the house.
No Democratic caucusing in the House doesn‘t want to have big majorities. But you reap what you sow, in a way. What she said were the chickens are coming home to roost..."
While he does not like it, Sam Stein seems to understand the concept that Democrats have to accept Blue Dog Democrats who they may not agree with on every issue IF they want to have majorities in Congress!
Wolf Blitzer did the clear math on CNN about Blue Dog Democrats when discussing health care which even House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer agreed with. These same numbers can also apply to Democrats keeping control of Congress the next time that they are on the ballot as well:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/27/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Dems vs. Dems in Health Debate; 'Two Black Men' Not in Gates 911 Call; 'Cash for Clunkers' Offers Big Rebates
Aired July 27, 2009 - 16:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Congressman Hoyer, you're the -- the -- the majority leader, the number-two Democrat in the House. Right now, there are 256 Democrats in the House. There's 178 Republicans. There's one seat that's vacant right now. You have an overwhelming majority.
But, if you take those 52 moderate or conservative Democrats, the so-called Blue Dogs, and they vote with the Republicans because they dislike, some of them, what you're having, they're going to win, and you're going to lose. You have to get those -- those moderate and conservative Democrats on board.
REP. STENY HOYER (D-MD), MAJORITY LEADER: Wolf, I agree with your math..."
Here is the math for Ed Schultz to make this as clear as possible for him: 256 total House Democrats minus the 52 Blue Dog Democrats equals 204 total Democrats. 178 total House Republicans plus the 52 Blue Dog Democratic districts that are all vulnerable in 2010 equals 230 total Republicans. That is why more liberal Democrats like Ed Schultz have ONLY two choices: Either accept Blue Dog Democrats and try to work with them or alienate them and seriously risk Democrats losing control of Congress to the Republicans in 2010!
Democrats losing control of Congress means losing their committee chairmanships and setting the agenda!
John King of CNN explained why Obama has to govern from the center, how Blue Dog Democrats won "in conservative areas" where Obama did not win, and how they know they will lose the next time they are on the ballot if they vote too far to the left. This is also a very important lesson for Ed Schultz to understand:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16933
John King explained Obama's "mandate" and why he has to govern from the center!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 7, 2008 - 1:03pm.
Ed Schultz's pal Rachel Maddow also needed a similar lesson to the one that he is getting in this post:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17444
An important lesson that Rachel Maddow needs to learn about moderate Democrats
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 25, 2009 - 7:33am.
So Ed Schultz, here is the realistic question that you have to seriously answer: Are you going to stop your whining and complaining about Blue Dog Democrats right now so you can get much more of what you want in the big picture of things OR do you want all of the vulnerable Blue Dog Democrats who won in more conservative areas in 2006 and 2008 mainly because of Bush's unpopularity to lose the next time they are on the ballot which will result in the Republicans winning back control of Congress, Republicans getting back all of the committee chairmanships, and Republicans setting all of the agenda in Congress?
Those are your ONLY two choices Ed so pick one or the other because there is no third choice!
You of all people Ed Schultz should know that nobody gets everything that they want and that everybody has to compromise in politics in order to get something that they want on a controversial issue!
If you already know all of this Ed (and you should being how involved in politics that you are) and if you are complaining about Blue Dog Democrats in order to throw out political "red meat" to your activist base who watch your MSNBC program and who listen to your radio show in an effort to try and keep or improve your ratings, then shame on you!
I do not know what your motives are Ed so I will assume the best BUT in my opinion you definitely need the lessons in this post, you need to be realistic with yourself and with your audience, and you need to get with the program about Blue Dog Democrats very quickly unless you want to risk Democrats losing control of Congress in 2010 which will result in your getting MUCH less than what you are getting right now!
Mitch Dworkin
http://mitchdworkin.com/
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http://www.securingamerica.com/
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16039
RESOURCES: Speeches, Articles, and Career Highlights to help define Gen. Clark!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 7, 2008 - 2:51pm.
http://www.securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191
Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight back against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda!
The answer to your question is that I went over the math in this post which very clearly explains why Blue Dog Democrats (or "DINO's" as you prefer to call them) are necessary in order for Democrats to keep control of Congress (which means keeping all of the committee chairmanships and setting the agenda):
"Wolf Blitzer did the clear math on CNN about Blue Dog Democrats when discussing health care which even House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer agreed with. These same numbers can also apply to Democrats keeping control of Congress the next time that they are on the ballot as well:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/27/sitroom.01.html
THE SITUATION ROOM
Dems vs. Dems in Health Debate; 'Two Black Men' Not in Gates 911 Call; 'Cash for Clunkers' Offers Big Rebates
Aired July 27, 2009 - 16:00 ET
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: "Congressman Hoyer, you're the -- the -- the majority leader, the number-two Democrat in the House. Right now, there are 256 Democrats in the House. There's 178 Republicans. There's one seat that's vacant right now. You have an overwhelming majority.
But, if you take those 52 moderate or conservative Democrats, the so-called Blue Dogs, and they vote with the Republicans because they dislike, some of them, what you're having, they're going to win, and you're going to lose. You have to get those -- those moderate and conservative Democrats on board.
REP. STENY HOYER (D-MD), MAJORITY LEADER: Wolf, I agree with your math..."
Here is the math for Ed Schultz to make this as clear as possible for him: 256 total House Democrats minus the 52 Blue Dog Democrats equals 204 total Democrats. 178 total House Republicans plus the 52 Blue Dog Democratic districts that are all vulnerable in 2010 equals 230 total Republicans. That is why more liberal Democrats like Ed Schultz have ONLY two choices: Either accept Blue Dog Democrats and try to work with them or alienate them and seriously risk Democrats losing control of Congress to the Republicans in 2010!..."
Here is my serious question: You said "the spineless Blue Dogs, whose only goal is to get re-elected and screw the people, control the agenda..." Even assuming that what you said is true (and I do not grant that because many good people can have honest differences of opinion on some issues), then which of these two options will "screw the people" worse?
1) Democrats accepting and working with Blue Dog Democratic "DINO's" and compromising with them to some degree which will result in Democrats keeping their majorities in Congress, keeping all committee chairmanships, and allowing them to keep setting all of the agenda in Congress.
2) Democrats NOT accepting and NOT working with Blue Dog "DINO's" (who are definitely needed for Democrats to keep control of Congress according to the math) and allowing Blue Dog "DINO's" to lose the next time they are on the ballot which IF that happens will result in Democrats losing their majorities in Congress to the Republicans, Democrats losing all committee chairmanships to the Republicans, and allows the Republicans to set all of the agenda in Congress.
Those are your only two choices unless you can show me a realistic third choice that I am missing. If you cannot show me a legitimate third choice, then which of the two options above will "screw the people" worse?
The answer to this question is very obvious to me that while option 1 is not perfect, it is by far the lesser of two evils and it is the much better choice of the two. Option 2 will "screw the people" much worse in my opinion!
What is your answer to the question of which of the two options above will "screw the people" worse?
candidates as I documented right below. Do you think that he is wrong to do this?
I think that Gen. Clark is absolutely right to do this because he very clearly understands the big picture of things such as what control of Congress means:
http://securingamerica.com/node/1869
Wes Clark stumps for Harold Ford, Jr. in Clarksville, TN
November 2, 2006
http://securingamerica.com/node/1520
September 28, 2006
Supporting Jon Tester for Senate
Helena and Great Falls, MT
http://securingamerica.com/node/1268
November 5, 2006
Rally for Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20)
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16983
Simple Question
Submitted by Wes Clark on March 17, 2009 - 11:45am.
"For a Member of Congress, it's a simple question, really: Do you support President Obama's stimulus package?...
In 2006, I travelled up to NY-20 to help elect Kirsten Gillibrand to her first term in the U.S. House. It's a tough district that voted for George W. Bush but in 2008 swung to vote narrowly for Barack Obama.
With Kirsten appointed to replace Hillary Clinton in the U.S. Senate, Republicans want this seat back. They think they can get back in power by opposing everything..."
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17723
A Good Offense
Submitted by Wes Clark on June 24, 2009 - 2:25pm.
"Blanche is up for reelection in 2010, and we've got to do everything we can to keep her in the Senate. With the June 30 quarterly fundraising deadline just around the corner, I hope you'll join me and stand with Blanche right now.
Please contribute $25, $50, or more to Sen. Blanche Lincoln. We need her in the Senate, and your support before June 30 will give Blanche a crucial boost towards victory in 2010:
http://www.actblue.com/page/agoodoffense
Already, the pundits are all chattering about who will run against Blanche. Right now, we know the national Republican Party is searching for a strong, well-funded challenger to take her on..."
Gen. Clark is free to support whomever he chooses, as am I. Some of the people he urged us to support turned around and stabbed him in the back. I stand by my comments. If the Blue Dogs are essentially DINO's, (Repubs in Dem clothing) then the repubs are controlling the agenda, anyway.
The difference in committee chairs, etc. doesn't seem to mean squat anymore. If you believe it does, then you haven't been reading the newspapers lately. The DEMS, frankly DO NOT hold a true majority on any issue - for sure in the Senate and probably not in the House. A true majority would need enough True Dems to get past the blackmailing tactics of the Blue Dogs. Reality bites. Dems simply do not vote in blind lock step like the repubs; NO ONE is capable of telling them how to vote. I don't know if that's good or bad, but it makes for interesting times.
"Because what he's frittering away ...are the rights we all have as citizens." J. Turley

The problem is that unfortunately, in most of these districts the choice is between a Blue Dog Democrat and a rigidly ideologistic neo-con. It's the Blue Dogs who can win those seats. The likes of Kucinich, Feinstein, and Conyers might get 20% of the vote in those places. I'll take a few Blue Dogs when the alternative is a proliferation of Eric Cantor and Michelle Bachmann types.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."
a few Blue Dogs when the alternative is a proliferation of Eric Cantor and Michelle Bachmann types."
In my opinion, Eric Cantor is an ideologue and a stooge for the Rush Limbaugh wing of the Republican Party while I definitely think that Rep. Michele Bachmann is NOT a sane person:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/27/michele-bachmann-calls-fo_n_180038.html
Michele Bachmann Calls For "Orderly Revolution"
Talking Points Memo | 03/27/09
Talking Points Memo:
Wow. Just plain wow. This past Wednesday, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show, and sharply reiterated her calls for revolution in America, warning against the imminent dangers of tyranny under Barack Obama:
Read the whole story: Talking Points Memo
Also:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/rep_michele_bachmann_tells_chr.html
Lynn Sweet
The scoop from Washington
Rep. Michele Bachmann tells Chris Matthews on "Hardball" media should probe Congress for "anti-America" views. Transcript.
By Lynn Sweet on October 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Permalink | Comments (81)
Here is the YouTube video link of this dialogue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIQm_7YAUI
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) At Her Very Best (4:14)
tpmtv
October 17, 2008
"Representative Michele Bachmann (R-MN) on MSNBC's Hardball, October 17, 2008"
I think that you are entitled to your opinion and I definitely stand with Gen. Clark's decision to support the candidates who he does. But I agree with you that "Reality bites" because it often does in my opinion!
The main reason why most Republicans in Congress vote together is because they fear Rush Limbaugh and he does not believe in any kind of compromise with anyone who he disagrees with including moderate Republicans:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17338
ANALYSIS: Why Bipartisanship is NOT possible with far right wing GOP ideologues!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 17, 2009 - 6:21pm.
The main reason why so many Republicans in Congress fear Rush Limbaugh so much is because he has been around for almost 21 years building up his huge media empire and getting the blind support of over 20 million Neocon Republican activists who will do anything that he says!
Limbaugh can order his followers to primary any Republican candidate who he does not like in a red or swing area and it will probably happen. He can also order his followers to not support or finance any Republican candidate anywhere and that will definitely happen!
RNC Chairman Michael Steele had to apologize to Limbaugh after he subtly threatened to defund the RNC which he has the power to do with over 20 million activist followers:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030209/content/01125111.guest.html
A Few Words for Michael Steele
March 2, 2009
RUSH: "Why are you sending out these things, Mr. Steele? Why is your office sending out all these talking points to defeat the Democrat agenda in Congress if your position is you want it to succeed? And I don't understand why you're asking Republicans to donate to the Republican National Committee if their money is going to be spent furthering the agenda of Barack Obama.
If we don't want Obama and Reid and Pelosi to fail, then why does the RNC exist, Mr. Steele? Why are you even raising money? What do you want from us? If I want Obama and Democrats to succeed, I suppose we should be sending the RNC donations?...
So send those fundraising requests out, and, by the way, when you send those fundraising requests out, Mr. Steele, make sure you say, "We want Obama to succeed." So people understand your compassion. Republicans, conservatives, are sick and tired of being talked down to, sick and tired of being lectured to, and until you show some understanding and respect for who they are, you're going to have a tough time rebuilding your party..."
Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and many others on the extreme right wing very clearly recognize and worship Rush Limbaugh as being their leader and godfather!
At about 4:43 into this video, Ann Coulter called Rush Limbaugh much bigger than the leader of the Republican Party and Sean Hannity said "I would say he is the leader of the conservative movement in the country" and "the leading voice of conservativism" to which Coulter said "sure:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeLK5qxjyCQ
Ann Coulter & Sean Hannity: Democrat Politics (6:47)
acfan84
March 05, 2009
Democrats and Rush Limbaugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeLK5qxjyCQ
I agree with you that "Dems simply do not vote in blind lock step like the repubs; NO ONE is capable of telling them how to vote" because there is no Democrat who even comes close to having as much power over so many people that Rush Limbaugh has!
Ed Schultz has foolishly claimed to have the kind of power that Limbaugh has when he really does not. Schultz in my opinion is in dreamland when he said "the Democrats get scared and run to the center. I, of course, keep them from doing that:"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31848633/ns/msnbc_tv-tucker/
'The Ed Show' for Thursday, July 9
Read the transcript to the Thursday show
Guests: Jan Schakowsky, Mike Rogers, Jack Rice, Andy Barr, Rep. Joe Sestak, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, John Harwood, Ron Christie, Jamal Simmons
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. Trouble in the heartland. A new poll shows President Obama‘s numbers down slightly and suddenly there might be some hand wringing going on here. The GOP says it proves he‘s too liberal for the country and the Democrats get scared and run to the center. I, of course, keep them from doing that..."
That is a bunch of nonsense. Outside of most Democratic activists, most of the country would not even know who Ed Schultz is. Rush Limbaugh in my opinion has more political power and name recognition in his little toe than Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and Keith Olbermann have all put together!
That is why Blue Dog Democratic Senator Ben Nelson could openly defy Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and Keith Olbermann without paying a political price for it:
1) Ed Schultz discussed his personal talk and disagreement with Sen. Ben Nelson on his MSNBC show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01zBrnW_wg
New Ads Begin To Target Conservative Democrats (10:58)
VOTERSTHINKdotORG
July 31, 2009
http://earth2obama.org/
July 31, 2009 MSNBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01zBrnW_wg
On a side note, I think that these far left wing ads against Ben Nelson which Schultz mentioned in this video are only helping him in a red state like Nebraska. Nelson can easily use those ads to say that he is willing to stand up to the far left wing and the special interest groups in his party which will only help him to get re-elected in a red state like Nebraska!
Unless Democratic activists can find a well known and serious primary challenger for Ben Nelson who they are willing to support and finance to the same degree as Ned Lamont in 2006, then Nelson in my opinion has absolutely nothing to fear from his far left wing critics!
2) Ben Nelson openly stood up to Rachel Maddow on her own show and there was absolutely nothing that she could do about it except to say that she disagreed with him:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/29110423#29110423 (12:11)
Recovery roadbock
Feb. 9: Why are the Republicans continuing to fight the stimulus bill and cutting billions in funding to get it passed? Can a bipartisan deal that makes the majority happy actually be reached? Rachel Maddow is joined by Sen. Ben Nelson, D-NE.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/29110423#29110423 (12:11)
Here is the transcript link of this video where Ben Nelson boldly stood up to Rachel Maddow and where Maddow expressed her strong disagreement with him:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29119619/
'The Rachel Maddow Show for Monday, February 9
Read the transcript to the Monday show
Guest: David Axelrod, Ben Nelson, Barbara Boxer
RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: "But you agree, though, that it made the bill less stimulative?
SEN. BEN NELSON (D-NE): No, I don‘t agree with that...
MADDOW: Sen. Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska. I feel like I understand the political argument. I don‘t agree with you all on the policy, but I get you did it for political reasons. And I really appreciate you coming on this show to talk about it tonight, particularly knowing that I disagree..."
3) Ben Nelson accused Keith Olbermann (and others) of "distorting the public debate on critical issues with bias and misinformation," of giving "inaccurate and incomplete information," calling them "entertainers (who) tell them what to be angry about today," and also called them "a shouting head on TV:"
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/doc49e91c36bc9c6379122757.eml
By DON WALTON / Lincoln Journal Star
Friday, Apr 17, 2009 - 07:19:22 pm CDT
"Radio and TV talk show personalities are distorting the public debate on critical issues with bias and misinformation, Sen. Ben Nelson said Friday.
Too many Americans “get their news from entertainers (who) tell them what to be angry about today,” Nelson said.
Nelson pointed the finger at personalities on both the right and the left during a speech to the Nebraska Public Policy Center on the University of Nebraska-Lincoln campus.
Sen. Ben Nelson speaks at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln on Friday. Too many Americans “get their news from entertainers (who) tell them what to be angry about today,” he said. (Jacob Hannah)
Both Jon Stewart on Comedy Central and conservative radio icon Rush Limbaugh “slant the news to fit their agenda,” Nelson said.
Then he added Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity of Fox News and Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow of MSNBC to his list.
“There’s a lot of inaccurate and incomplete information out there thanks to talk shows from either the left or the right,” the Democratic senator said.
“Facts often get in the way of a good rant,” Nelson said.
Far too many citizens who complain about government or a specific issue are doing so with a lack of accurate information, he said.
Citizens need to be “accurately informed and actively involved,” Nelson said.
But they won’t be adequately informed by “a shouting head on TV,” he said.
“Responding to the talking points of either extreme is not the way to enact good public policy,” Nelson said..."
The worst that Keith Olbermann could do to him was to give him "Worst Person in the World" for it in this Countdown video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30356188#30356188 (03:44)
Senator compares Olbermann to FNC hosts
April 22: Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., expressed his disappointed that many Americans receive their news knowledge from angry "entertainers." In Worst Persons in the World, Countdown's Keith Olbermann defends himself against the Senator's claims that he and Rachel Maddow have the same talking points as "Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30356188#30356188 (03:44)
There was nothing else that Keith Olbermann could do to Ben Nelson for his saying what he did!
As I am sure you are well aware, very few elected Republicans can say things like that about Rush Limbaugh without having to apologize to him right away in order to avoid facing his wrath and paying a political price for it the next time they are on the ballot. Colin Powell explained this concept to Larry King:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/28/lkl.01.html
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Interview with Colin Powell
Aired July 28, 2009 - 21:00 ET
COLIN POWELL, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: "I can handle his (Limbaugh's) criticism. The problem I am having with the party right now is when he says things that I consider to be completely outrageous. And I respond to it. I would like to see other members of the Party do likewise. But they don't.
LARRY KING, CNN ANCHOR: KING: Do you think they are afraid to take him on?
POWELL: Well, I know a number of instances where sitting members in Congress or elsewhere in positions of responsibility in the party made light criticism of Rush, and within 24 hours they were backing away because there is --
KING: Why?
POWELL: -- a strong base of support for Mr. Limbaugh.
KING: So what? There is a strong base of support for everybody.
POWELL: Yes, but I do not have to worry about winning elections or having people who are supporting me or not supporting me. I am free and independent and can make any statements I want, and Mr. Limbaugh is free to criticize me all he chooses to, but he cannot tell me that I cannot be in the Party..."
I agree with Colin Powell that more elected Republicans should stand up to Rush Limbaugh but that would almost be like committing political suicide if they are running for office!
Elected Democrats in my opinion should consider themselves to be very fortunate that no one person on the far left (such as Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, or Keith Olbermann) can hold them hostage like how Rush Limbaugh does with so many elected Republicans!
Obama and elected Democrats should also be trying to reinstate some version of The Fairness Doctrine as soon as possible in order to try and stop Rush Limbaugh now because Limbaugh will run most of the Republican Party as well as the country if Obama loses in 2012 and if he still has the same kind of political power then that he has right now:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17308
Call Sen. Debbie Stabenow at 202-224-4822 to help her Fairness Doctrine efforts!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 9, 2009 - 2:52pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16851#comment-333782
Bringing back The Fairness Doctrine would help to restore...
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on October 28, 2008 - 1:04pm.
Some version of The Fairness Doctrine being reinstated is the one thing that Rush Limbaugh really and truly fears:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10583
Limbaugh & Hannity react to Democrats trying to bring back the Fairness Doctrine
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 18, 2007 - 2:51pm.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123508978035028163.html
OPINION FEBRUARY 20, 2009
Mr. President, Keep the Airwaves Free
By RUSH LIMBAUGH
Dear President Obama:
"I have a straightforward question, which I hope you will answer in a straightforward way: Is it your intention to censor talk radio through a variety of contrivances, such as "local content," "diversity of ownership," and "public interest" rules -- all of which are designed to appeal to populist sentiments but, as you know, are the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?
You have singled me out directly, admonishing members of Congress not to listen to my show..."
If Obama and elected Democrats were smart, then trying to reinstate some version of The Fairness Doctrine would be very close to the top of their agenda right now while they probably still have the votes needed in Congress and the political capital to do it!
This video in my opinion is very realistic because John King of CNN is a very credible reporter who leaves Washington to travel all over the country and talk with average people about important issues. John King also knows the right kind of questions to ask:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/08/02/king.blue.dog.dilemma.cnn (3:50)
A Blue Dog in Idaho 3:50
CNN's John King travels to the congressional district of Blue Dog Democrat Rep. Walt Minnick.
Source: CNN
Added On August 2, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/08/02/king.blue.dog.dilemma.cnn (3:50)
This statement in the transcript below is what I think best summarizes the main point of this video:
JOHN KING, HOST: "Cheryl Halverson is the county Democratic chairwoman and says what sells in New York or San Francisco will likely fall flat here (Benewah County, Idaho).
CHERYL HALVERSON, DEMOCRATIC CHAIRWOMAN: We're westerners. And westerners are more independent. This is a hunting and fishing place. People don't want to give up their guns. So we tend to be more self- reliant or think that everyone should be more fiscally conservative..."
Only a Blue Dog Democrat like Rep. Walt Minnick can win in a more conservative district like this (Benewah County, Idaho). Liberal Democrats like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi would have no more of a chance of winning in Walt Minnick's Congressional district in Benewah County, Idaho than someone as conservative as Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) could win statewide in New York or in Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco Congressional district. That is a main reason why the saying is true that "All politics is local."
Blue Dog Democrats like Rep. Walt Minnick have to be able to win and hold their seats in more conservative areas like this in order for Democrats keep control of Congress. Too many Blue Dog Democrats losing in their more conservative areas very seriously risks Democrats losing control of Congress to the Republicans!
That is why the ONLY two choices for Ed Schultz and for all Democrats are to either accept and work with Blue Dog Democrats or reject them and risk losing control of Congress to the Republicans which means Democrats losing all committee chairmanships and not being able to control the agenda of Congress!
Here is the entire CNN transcript of the video above:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/02/sotu.01.html
STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING
Interview With Christina Romer; Interview With John McCain
Aired August 2, 2009 - 09:00 ET
JOHN KING, HOST: "In the contentious health care debate of recent weeks, you've heard from voices familiar, and some maybe not so familiar. Democratic leaders in the House and Senate, Republican leaders in the House and Senate and, of course, President Obama and his key advisers.
But if you're listening closely, it's like we have also heard the term blue dog Democrats. Now individually, most are not so influential, but together, their more conservative voices are proving pivotal in the debate over how to pay for health care changes and whether a new government-run insurance program is such a good idea.
So what's a blue dog? Let's take a closer look. These are the states represented by at least one member in a congressional delegation who calls himself a blue dog. And you see them, and let's again take a peek in here. There are 52 members of the Blue Dog Coalition, they represent those 29 states we just showed you. Thirty- two of these members, and this is important, represent districts won by Republican John McCain in 2008. So in our American dispatch this week, we wanted to take a closer look, out here, western Idaho, this blue congressional district, the first congressional district, we wanted to look up close to the blue dogs, who have to balance their party's call for major health care reforms with a constituency that doesn't like big spending and doesn't trust big government.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
KING (voice-over): Western Idaho is, in a word, spectacular. Rolling hills filled with golden grain, breathtaking forests, shimmering lakes. And tiny towns like St. Marie's, built around the mines and mills, and a anchored by places where everyone is on a first name basis and everyone thinks the business and the government should put a premium on a bottom line.
GWEN WOTRING, OWNER, BUD'S DRIVE INN: It's different to be a liberal in this neck of the woods.
KING: Gwen Wotring is a proud Democrat, but she knows from the lively conversations in her restaurant that she's in the minority, especially in the recent debate over what to do about health care.
WOTRING: I come from British parents. They taught me that socialized government is not the bad thing that everybody imports it to be. I think that the government needs to take over health care.
KING: St. Marie's is in Benewah County, a timber region where John McCain won by a nearly two to one margin last November. Cheryl Halverson is the county Democratic chairwoman and says what sells in New York or San Francisco will likely fall flat here.
CHERYL HALVERSON, DEMOCRATIC CHAIRWOMAN: We're westerners. And westerners are more independent. This is a hunting and fishing place. People don't want to give up their guns. So we tend to be more self- reliant or think that everyone should be more fiscally conservative.
KING: For only the third time in 40 years, the local congressman is a Democrat. Walt Minnick, one of those who adds the words "blue dog" to his party affiliation.
WOTRING: It means someone who thinks realistically and pragmatically about spending. I think blue dog Democrats see their constituents more realistically than the real strong liberals.
KING: To visit a place like this is to see the blue dog dilemma up close.
DON GRIESEL, ST. MARIES, IDAHO: You know, years ago I voted for Reagan, even though I thought he was too liberal.
KING: Don Griesel applauds Minnick and fellow blue dogs for complaining the president's health care ideas cost too much and give government too much power. But he won't reward the Democrat with his vote, because Griesel wants the House back in Republican hands.
GRIESEL: if he doesn't change his party, there's no way I can vote Democrat, because like right now, they have control of the House and all and that's what's killing America.
KING: And across the table, psychologist and proud liberal, Patricia Bauer, has reservations of a different sorts.
PATRICIA BAUER, PSYCHOLOGIST: I'm concerned about them being too conservative. I am happy that he's watching the numbers, because I think we need to do that. But I'm concerned that fiscally responsible becomes a nay vote for health care.
KING: University of Idaho political science professor Bryan McQuide says it is a near impossible balancing act, blue dog label or not.
BRYAN MCQUIDE, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO: The district is very Republican. Much of the district is solid red in terms of the blue and red America. Obama is going to be an issue, especially if there's more and more liberal proposals coming out.
KING: When Wotring disagrees when her congressman fights plans for a government health care option.
WOTRING: I employ 25 people here, most of whom do not have insurance.
KING: Because you can't afford to give it to them?
WOTRING: I can't afford to give it to them.
KING: Disagrees, but Wotring understands the blue dog rationale.
WOTRING: Loggers and fellows that work in the timber industry that are pretty right wing and the way he thinks is pretty typical of most moderate, be it, Republicans or Democrats in this area. He needs to do that because that's what his constituents want.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
KING: As you know, one of our goals is to get out of Washington as often as we can. We've traveled to Idaho, to Florida, Nevada and many states in between. So where should we go next? You can e-mail us at StateoftheUnion@CNN.com and tell us why we should come to your community..."
This is basically part 2 of John King's documentary about Blue Dog Democrats in Idaho. These people probably do not watch Ed Schultz and they may not even know who he is BUT their votes are definitely needed for Blue Dog Democratic candidates to win so that Democrats can keep control of Congress:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/08/02/king.sotu.idaho.diner.cnn (3:41)
Talking politics in Idaho 3:41
CNN's John King talks about politics with three Idaho residents at a local diner.
Source: CNN
Added On August 2, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2009/08/02/king.sotu.idaho.diner.cnn (3:41)
Here is the CNN transcript of this video:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/02/sotu.03.html
STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING
Sound of Sunday
Aired August 2, 2009 - 11:00 ET
JESSICA YELLIN, HOST: "Welcome back to STATE OF THE UNION. I'm Jessica Yellin. John King is off on a well-deserved break today. But earlier this week, he sat down over a cup of coffee at Bud's Drive-In in St. Maries, Idaho, and finds out what some of the locals were thinking as President Obama closes in on his second hundred days in office.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JOHN KING, HOST: Let me go back to the last election. If you voted for President Obama, raise your hand.
So we have one Obama vote. Well, let me ask you, six months in, how is he doing?
DR. PATRICIA BAUER, ST. MARIES, IDAHO: I love him. I think he's doing great. I think he has come in working very hard to make changes that are needed. And I think he is continuing to stay focused on issues that are really very present for us.
KING: So let me ask me the two non-Obama voters. I assume you both voted for McCain?
DON GRIESEL, ST. MARIES, IDAHO: I voted for Palin.
WILLIAM BAUER, ST. MARIES, IDAHO: I think he has got a good start on doing stuff, but I don't know that he's accomplished that much so far. So I think the jury is still out.
GRIESEL: I think he has been a disaster. And we're right now on the abyss and we're about to go over. And if any of his plans are adopted, it's -- the only thing right now saving us is the Blue Dog Democrats. They're saving America. Praise the lord for the Blue Dog Democrats.
KING: Saving America because they're fighting the cost of his health care plan?
GRIESEL: That they're stopping the health care thing right now.
KING: You say you like some of the policies so far, what about health care? Are they doing that right?
W. BAUER: We certainly think we need national health care, because we're paying like $2,300 a month for our health care. I don't think you could succeed in pressuring a marketplace that's profit- driven. So I think you need a national health plan.
GRIESEL: Eighty percent of Americans are happy with their health care. Leave them alone. Let's not equal the field and make everybody miserable.
P. BAUER: I suspect we really need a single-payer system. I don't think anything else is going to work. I'm a psychologist, I've practiced in California and I practice here. And malpractice is high. I haven't heard anything about doing something about malpractice. And I think that's a part of what needs to happen.
KING: The Democrats didn't put that in there on purpose. And the critics, of course, say that because the trial lawyers give them money. So in that sense, your party is wrong on that one, you think?
P. BAUER: Yes.
KING: You mentioned you were a Palin supporter. She just stepped down. She's no longer the governor of Alaska. Would you like her to run in three years?
GRIESEL: I would like to see her to step up to the plate. I've been watching pretty closely here to see what she's going to do. I kind of think she's going to make a run for it. And I hope she does. She's another Ronald Reagan, as far as I'm concerned.
P. BAUER: I think she's frightening. I think she's very ignorant. And I don't think she's very bright. She runs again, it's OK with me. I think she can be beaten.
W. BAUER: I couldn't vote for somebody that walked out on a governor's job that she made a commitment to. I don't think she could beat any Democrat.
KING: What makes this place different? What's unique about here that maybe somebody who lives on the coast of California or maybe in New York City doesn't understand that there are places like this in the country?
W. BAUER: I think it's the wilderness, the -- I guess the hunting, the outdoors, the rivers.
W. BAUER: This is a spectacular place to live.
P. BAUER: The wildlife. I wouldn't hunt it, but I love the wildlife.
GRIESEL: Well, it's more down to earth. The people are more real, I think. And this is America, here. Where you get to the East Coast, the West Coast, it's all phony. It's all -- they're living a lie. They -- you know, they're just crazy, you know. You can see what's going on in California now. It's run by liberals and the state's bankrupt. They're -- they went over the edge. Now they want a bailout; same with New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, all run by liberals. That's what happens.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
YELLIN: Well, that's what they think in St. Maries, Idaho..."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32401516/ns/msnbc_tv-the_ed_show/
'The Ed Show' for Wednesday, August 12
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Tonight, believe it or not, it's Democrats versus Democrats in the heartland over health care.
Senator Ben "Nervous Nelly" Nelson is shaking in his boots.
That's right where I want you, Senator...
SCHULTZ: Earlier, I asked you what you thought. Who's a bigger threat to health care reform: 83 percent said conservative Democrats. That means I'm going to keep hammering them on this show every night on MSNBC, THE ED SHOW. And 17 percent think the town hall screamers are going to actually have an effect.
The conservative Democrats, I got you in my cross hairs when it comes to commentary. You're wrong. You've got to support the president on a public option..."
Ed Schultz and his 505,000 or so viewers in my opinion are no more of a threat to Ben Nelson and to Blue Dog Democrats than an average high school basketball player would be to Michael Jordan playing basketball at his best!
Ed Schultz in my opinion cannot hurt Ben Nelson any more than an average high school basketball player could beat Michael Jordan at his best playing one-on-one basketball!
Liberal Democrats have ONLY two choices right now: They can either accept and work with vulnerable Blue Dog Democrats like Rep. Tom Perriello in order to keep control of Congress OR they can reject vulnerable Blue Dog Democrats and risk losing control of Congress to the GOP if too many of them lose. There is no third choice. If there is some kind of a third choice, then I would like to know what it is!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/22/cnr.04.html
CNN NEWSROOM
Hurricane Bill; Prison Riot; Health Care Plan Resistance; Virginia Town Halls; Ruthless Debt Collectors
Aired August 22, 2009 - 12:00 ET
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN NEWS ANCHOR: "There is a congressman, newly elected congressman in Virginia, a Democrat. He won by less than 1,000 votes. He's in a conservative district. I think the guy that he beat is running against him in next year's election, so there is a lot at stake for Congressman Tom Perriello, as he tours the state with his "Tom in Your Town" town hall meetings on health care reform and he has been getting an earful on these town hall meetings. He has one today and our Kate Bolduan is live in Alberta, Virginia where the next one's going to take place.
And, Kate, what has he been hearing?
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hey there, Drew. Well, they're expecting about up to 100 people at this town hall. We're in Alberta, Virginia, as you mentioned, at a community college here, which is about 2.5 hours away from Washington. We're waiting to see Congressman Tom Perriello, he'll be coming, he's on his way.
This will be his 14th of, now we hear, 21 total town halls that he'll hold during this recess. Quite a list, quite a many town halls to be holding. He says he really want to hear from his constituents because right now he remains a no-vote, although he says he wants to become a yes-vote for whatever final legislation does take shape.
And as you mentioned, he is a freshman Democrat. This is a conservative district. He won the district by just 0.2 percent of one percentage point. Very close election and he's likely a target, a Republican target in the 2010 election. He says throughout the town halls they have been tense. He has definitely heard passion from the crowds here and we'll see what the people have to say just in about an hour -- Drew.
GRIFFIN: Yeah, he's also got the undertone of his congressional leadership probably pushing him from the left. What are the constituents actually saying? Are they just as split as the vote was when he won?
BOLDUAN: He says that he is definitely hearing from both sides, definitely strong voices on both sides in this district. He likes to kind of bill himself as an independent, trying to steer from both sides of his district before he makes a decision. He is a no-vote, but we'll see how he votes when he does get back to Washington.
Perriello has described the mood of this town hall. I just talked a few minutes ago. He describes it as a strong simmer, but not yet a boil, which I thought was quite interesting. And the main issue he says he's hearing from constituents on both sides it the question of costs. Either they want to know how much is health care reform going to cost me or how will health care reform help to bring down my insurance premium in the end?
So, he definitely has a challenge ahead of him. He says he's here to listen and also make sure his constituents know they are going to be heard. It's a tough position politically, Drew, you just alluded to it. While he's a freshman Democrat, likely a Republican target in the election, he needs to appeal to conservatives in the district, many are strongly opposed to the government-run, this public option that we've talk about. At the same time, he doesn't want to anger the more liberal progressive group of voters who helped get him get elected, who, many of which, want a public option to be required as any part of final legislation.
GRIFFIN: Yeah, whether he's going to the simmer or a boil, he's seems to be in a hot seat, right now.
BOLDUAN: I like that.
GRIFFIN: Kate, thanks a lot..."

Then it's ok to let a bunch of DINO's control the congress and everything that happens there? Sorry, I'd rather see their sorry asses packing and if they morph into repubs, so be it. That's what they already are, so might as well start calling a spade a spade and then we'd know how to deal with it. To allow the spineless Blue Dogs, whose only goal is to get re-elected and screw the people, control the agenda is, frankly, disgusting.
"Because what he's frittering away ...are the rights we all have as citizens." J. Turley