Keith Olbermann made threats to Blue Dog Dems that he CANNOT back up!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 8, 2009 - 10:15pm.
Democratic politics
Hello Everyone:
The purpose of this post is NOT to debate the health care issue. I have already made my position on that issue very clear in this separate post:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17784
CNN VIDEO: John King explained why Obama is having problems passing health care
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 22, 2009 - 7:57pm.
The purpose of this post is rather to explain exactly why Keith Olbermann does NOT have the power to back up the threats that he is making to the Blue Dog Democrats in Congress who he does not like!
Here is the Countdown transcript of Keith Olbermann insulting Blue Dog Democratic members of Congress and making threats to them that I do not think he can back up in his "Special Comment:"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32284299/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Monday, August 3
Read the transcript to the Monday show
Guests: Sen. Bernie Sanders; Chris Kofinis, Dan Gross
KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: "We don't need to call the Democrats holding this up Blue Dogs. That one word "Dogs" is perfectly sufficient.
But let me speak to them collectively, anyway. I warn you all. You were not elected to create a Democratic majority. You were elected to restore this country.
You were not elected to serve the corporations and the trusts who the government has enabled for these last eight years.
You were elected to serve the people. And if you fail to pass or support this legislation, the full wrath of the progressive and the moderate movements in this country will come down on your heads.
Explain yourselves not to me, but to them. They elected you. And in the blink of an eye, they will replace you.
If you will behave as if you are Republicans-as if you are the prostitutes of our system-you will be judged as such. And you will lose not merely our respect. You will lose your jobs!
Every poll, every analysis, every vote, every region of this country supports health care reform, and the essential great leveling agent of a government-funded alternative to the unchecked duopoly of profiteering private insurance corporations.
Cross us all at your peril. Because, Congressman Ross, you are not the Representative from Blue Cross..."
Here is the Countdown video link to watch Keith Olbermann's entire "Special Comment" (the threats that he made to Blue Dog Democrats in the transcript above happen toward the end of this video):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/32277034#32277034 (13:26)
Olbermann: Legislators for sale
Aug.3: In a Special Comment, Countdown’s Keith Olbermann slams members of Congress for acting more in the interests of their health industry campaign donors than their constituents who so clearly favor health care reform.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/32277034#32277034 (13:26)
Here is a separate link to Keith Olbermann's "Special Comment:"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32276889/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
Olbermann: Legislators for sale
Members of Congress are failing to represent their constituents in the health care fight
SPECIAL COMMENT
By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
msnbc.com
updated 8:19 p.m. CT, Mon., Aug 3, 2009
Here are my five points to explain Keith Olbermann's faulty reasoning, why his bark is much stronger than his bite, and his lack of power to back up the the threats that he made to Blue Dog Democrats:
1) Keith Olbermann needs some lessons about polls and how that a liberal Democratic candidate cannot win in a very conservative state or district just like how a conservative Republican candidate cannot win in a very liberal state or district under normal circumstances:
A) This recent CNN poll shows that the country is closely divided on the health care issue:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/05/health.care.poll/index.html
Poll indicates generational split over health care
updated 10:11 a.m. EDT, Wed August 5, 2009
By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- "Americans appear split over President Barack Obama's health care proposals, according to a new national poll...
Fifty percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Wednesday morning say they support the president's plans, with 45 percent opposed..."
B) When the poll numbers for health care reform were higher in July, only 41% of people "say a new law needs to be passed this year:"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121883/Most-U.S.-Want-Healthcare-Reform-Vary-Urgency.aspx
July 24, 2009
Most in U.S. Want Healthcare Reform, but Vary on Urgency
Thirty percent favor new law, but not necessarily this year; a quarter oppose new law at any time
by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- "Seven in 10 Americans favor the passage of new healthcare reform legislation, but less than half (41%) say a new law needs to be passed this year...
The data show that about 4 out of 10 Americans generally agree with Obama -- that a new healthcare law needs to be passed this year. But that leaves the majority of Americans who do not agree, either because they believe a delay is acceptable, or because they don't believe such a law is needed at all..."
This means that some of the people polled who are in favor of health care reform also "believe a delay is acceptable."
C) Nationwide polls are just that, nationwide. Nationwide polls usually vary in different areas of the country as John King of CNN mentioned when he was visiting Benewah County, Idaho (a Blue Dog Democratic area) and said "Cheryl Halverson is the county Democratic chairwoman and says what sells in New York or San Francisco will likely fall flat here:"
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17806#comment-348311
CNN Video: John King's documentary about Blue Dog Dems in Idaho:
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 3, 2009 - 4:24am.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/02/sotu.01.html
STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING
Interview With Christina Romer; Interview With John McCain
Aired August 2, 2009 - 09:00 ET
JOHN KING, HOST: "Cheryl Halverson is the county Democratic chairwoman and says what sells in New York or San Francisco will likely fall flat here.
CHERYL HALVERSON, DEMOCRATIC CHAIRWOMAN: We're westerners. And westerners are more independent. This is a hunting and fishing place. People don't want to give up their guns. So we tend to be more self- reliant or think that everyone should be more fiscally conservative..."
I definitely think that Keith Olbermann needs the exact same lesson that Ed Schultz needed:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17806
A lesson for Ed Schultz about Blue Dog Dems: Accept them or risk losing Congress
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 1, 2009 - 5:50pm.
Only a Blue Dog Democrat like Rep. Walt Minnick can win in a more conservative district like Benewah County, Idaho. Liberal Democrats like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi would have no more of a chance of winning in Walt Minnick's more conservative Congressional district than someone as conservative as Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) could win statewide in New York or in Nancy Pelosi's very liberal San Francisco Congressional district. That is a main reason why the saying is true that "All politics is local."
So Keith Olbermann has to ask himself if he will accept Blue Dog Democrats so he can get much more of what he wants in the big picture of things with Democrats keeping control of Congress OR he can allow vulnerable Blue Dog Democrats who won in more conservative areas in 2006 and 2008 to lose the next time they are on the ballot which will result in him getting much less of what he wants in the big picture of things IF the Republicans win back control of Congress. That means the Republicans will get back all of the committee chairmanships and they will be the ones who are setting all of the agenda in Congress. These are Keith Olbermann's ONLY two choices whether he likes it or not!
2) Keith Olbermann does NOT have the ratings, the power, or the name recognition to back up his threats about Blue Dog Democrats in Congress losing their jobs if they do not play ball his way:
While I think that Keith Olbermann behaves like a far left wing Democratic version of Rush Limbaugh, he only has a small fraction of Limbaugh's ratings and power!
Rush Limbaugh has been "number one" on talk radio being the most influential according to Talkers magazine with 20 million-plus listeners a week:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/10/acd.01.html
ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
Aired April 10, 2007 - 22:00 ET
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: "Don Imus is popular, of course, but, in talk radio, he's actually not the most influential. Here's the "Raw Data."
According to "Talkers" magazine, Imus ranks 14th as the most important radio show host in the nation. Howard Stern is 12th. Number five is Ed Schultz, at four, Laura Schlessinger, three, Michael Savage. Two is Sean Hannity, and, at number one, Rush Limbaugh..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyU7Cs9eVrE
Rush Limbaugh: Barbara Walters' 10 Most Fascinating People (05:22)
LandofDaFree
December 04, 2008
"Rush Limbaugh was interviewed as part of Barbara Walters' Ten Most Fascinating People special for 2008 on ABC. Walters said "20 million people a week listen to Rush Limbaugh, the most powerful and successful conservative radio talk show host in the country."
Keith Olbermann's latest ratings show that he only has a nightly audience of just over 1 million people:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/07/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-august-6-2009/24395
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, August 6, 2009
Posted on 07 August 2009 by Robert Seidman
8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,070,000 viewers (326,000) (569,000)
Comparing Keith Olbermann's ratings, power, and influence to Rush Limbaugh's is like comparing an average high school basketball player to Michael Jordan playing basketball at his best. That is why no elected Democrat who I am aware of has to fear Keith Olbermann like how many elected Republicans fear Limbaugh and apologize to him if they upset him because of how many people who he controls:
http://www.dccc.org/content/sorry
I'm Sorry, Rush
"Republicans who've dared to criticize Rush only to beg for his forgiveness..."
3) As proof of point 2, Blue Dog Democratic Senator Ben Nelson was able to accuse Keith Olbermann (and others) of "distorting the public debate on critical issues with bias and misinformation," of giving "inaccurate and incomplete information," calling them "entertainers (who) tell them what to be angry about today," and also called them "a shouting head on TV" which Olbermann did not like:
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/doc49e91c36bc9c6379122757.eml
By DON WALTON / Lincoln Journal Star
Friday, Apr 17, 2009 - 07:19:22 pm CDT
"Radio and TV talk show personalities are distorting the public debate on critical issues with bias and misinformation, Sen. Ben Nelson said Friday.
Too many Americans “get their news from entertainers (who) tell them what to be angry about today,” Nelson said.
Nelson pointed the finger at personalities on both the right and the left during a speech to the Nebraska Public Policy Center on the University of Nebraska-Lincoln campus.
Sen. Ben Nelson speaks at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln on Friday. Too many Americans “get their news from entertainers (who) tell them what to be angry about today,” he said. (Jacob Hannah)
Both Jon Stewart on Comedy Central and conservative radio icon Rush Limbaugh “slant the news to fit their agenda,” Nelson said.
Then he added Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity of Fox News and Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow of MSNBC to his list.
“There’s a lot of inaccurate and incomplete information out there thanks to talk shows from either the left or the right,” the Democratic senator said.
“Facts often get in the way of a good rant,” Nelson said.
Far too many citizens who complain about government or a specific issue are doing so with a lack of accurate information, he said.
Citizens need to be “accurately informed and actively involved,” Nelson said.
But they won’t be adequately informed by “a shouting head on TV,” he said.
“Responding to the talking points of either extreme is not the way to enact good public policy,” Nelson said..."
The worst that Keith Olbermann could do to Ben Nelson for saying this was to give him "Worst Person in the World" in this Countdown video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30356188#30356188 (03:44)
Senator compares Olbermann to FNC hosts
April 22: Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., expressed his disappointed that many Americans receive their news knowledge from angry "entertainers." In Worst Persons in the World, Countdown's Keith Olbermann defends himself against the Senator's claims that he and Rachel Maddow have the same talking points as "Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30356188#30356188 (03:44)
Here is the Countdown transcript of the part about Ben Nelson:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30372388/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Wednesday, April 22
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
Guest: Jonathan Landay, Jack Rice, Janis Karpinski, Elizabeth De La Vega, Howard Fineman
KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: "But first time for COUNTDOWN‘s number two story, tonight‘s worst persons in the world...
But our winner, Democratic Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska. “Too many Americans, he said in his speech in Lincoln, quote, “get their news from entertainers who tell them what to be angry about today.” Entertainers, he says, like Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O‘Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow.
“Responding to the talking points of either extreme is not the way to enact good public policy. There is a lot of inaccurate and incomplete information out there thanks to talk shows from either the left or the right. Facts often get in the way of a good rant.”
You‘d know, senator. Thanks for the opportunity to tell you you don‘t know what the hell you‘re talking about. I am fed up with this equating of what we do here to circus performers like Limbaugh and the Fox crowd..."
There was nothing else that Keith Olbermann could do to Ben Nelson for saying what he did. As I said in point 2, many elected Republicans have apologized to Rush Limbaugh for making comments like this about him while no elected Democrats who I am aware of have ever had to apologize to Keith Olbermann for upsetting him!
4) Keith Olbermann saying to Blue Dog Democrats "You were not elected to serve the corporations" has nothing to do with what he can or cannot do to them even if it is true. True or not, how does this have any effect on what Keith Olbermann can or cannot do to Ben Nelson or to any other Blue Dog Democrats?
5) Blue Dog Democrats have White House protection right now:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25900.html
Rahm Emanuel warns liberal groups to stop ads
Tags: White House, Democrats, Rahm Emanuel
By JONATHAN MARTIN | 8/6/09 7:37 PM EDT
"White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel warned liberal groups this week to stop running ads against Democratic members of Congress.
The powerful top aide to President Obama made his feelings known at the weekly closed-door strategy session of an array of progressive organizations, according to two sources who were there..."
Obama has far more power over Democrats being the leader of the party than Keith Olbermann does. White House support for Blue Dog Democrats only weakens people like Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, and Rachel Maddow even more whether they like it or not. Keith Olbermann is a pawn compared to Obama just like how RNC Chairman Michael Steele is a pawn compared to Rush Limbaugh which is very ironic in my opinion!
In conclusion, Keith Olbermann in my opinion definitely does NOT have the power to back up the threats that he is making to Blue Dog Democrats. I think that Keith Olbermann either realizes that my points in this post are true but he is using these threats as political "red meat" to feed to his activist audience for ratings purposes or he is truly ignorant and blind as to what the facts really are!
Mitch Dworkin
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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on July 7, 2008 - 2:51pm.
http://www.securingamerica.com/ccn/node/7191
Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight back against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda!
Ed Schultz discussed his personal talk and disagreement with Sen. Ben Nelson on his MSNBC show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01zBrnW_wg
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July 31, 2009
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July 31, 2009 MSNBC
Here is a key portion of the transcript of this video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32269378
'The Ed Show' for Friday, July 31
Read the transcript to the Friday show
Guests: Sander Levin, Virg Bernero, Leo Gerard, Brian Bilbray, Ken Vogel, Tim Griffin, Nancy Giles, Jeff Santos, Markos Moulitsas, Lizz Winstead
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "I have something to say to the Ben Nelson office. I had a personal conversation with Senator Nelson the other day. He was mad at me because I told him to shut up and support the president. These conservative Democrats have got to be called out. So I got on the phone with him. He said, Ed, that's too personal.
I said, senator, respectfully, it's personal to 48 million Americans who do not have health care. It's personal to small businesses that can't keep up with the double-digit increases that are taking place in this country. You've got to do something to reform it. A public option is the best way to go. This president had a mandate. He won nine Bush states. It's-what else do you need to know?
I'd like to know if the people of Nebraska want a public option. Now, I'm not going to go in there and do any polling. But I'd like the e-mails. I'd like some e-mails from people from Nebraska to
. Tell me why you don't want a public option. Tell me that you think your senator is on the right page going against any kind of health care reform when it comes to the public option..."
Any e mails that Ed Schultz may get from some of his liberal fans in Nebraska do not reflect the thinking of the entire state of Nebraska because it is a deep red state. This is an accurate reflection of the entire state of Nebraska which Ben Nelson has to run in to get re-elected to the Senate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Nebraska,_2008
"McCain wound up carrying the popular vote in Nebraska by 14.93 points, taking in 56.53% of the total statewide vote...
Analysis
Nebraska, part of the conservative Great Plains region, is one of the most Republican states in the nation. Continuing on that trend, McCain won the Cornhusker State by nearly 15 points. Obama was only able to win four counties..."
So what can Ed Schultz do to hurt Ben Nelson or any other Blue Dog Democrat who he does not like when he only has about half of the viewers that Keith Olbermann has?
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/07/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-august-6-2009/24395
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, August 6, 2009
Posted on 07 August 2009 by Robert Seidman
6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Ed Show—505,000 viewers (148,000) (204,000)
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/07/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-august-6-2009/24395
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, August 6, 2009
Posted on 07 August 2009 by Robert Seidman
8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,070,000 viewers (326,000) (569,000)
The bottom line in my opinion is that Ed Schultz can bark all he wants to but he cannot bite. There is absolutely nothing I see that Schultz can do to politically hurt any Blue Dog Democrat in a red state or a red district who he disagrees with!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32401516/ns/msnbc_tv-the_ed_show/
'The Ed Show' for Wednesday, August 12
Read the transcript to the Wednesday show
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Tonight, believe it or not, it's Democrats versus Democrats in the heartland over health care.
Senator Ben "Nervous Nelly" Nelson is shaking in his boots.
That's right where I want you, Senator...
SCHULTZ: Earlier, I asked you what you thought. Who's a bigger threat to health care reform: 83 percent said conservative Democrats. That means I'm going to keep hammering them on this show every night on MSNBC, THE ED SHOW. And 17 percent think the town hall screamers are going to actually have an effect.
The conservative Democrats, I got you in my cross hairs when it comes to commentary. You're wrong. You've got to support the president on a public option..."
Ed Schultz and his 505,000 or so viewers in my opinion are no more of a threat to Ben Nelson and to Blue Dog Democrats than an average high school basketball player would be to Michael Jordan playing basketball at his best!
Ed Schultz in my opinion cannot hurt Ben Nelson any more than an average high school basketball player could beat Michael Jordan at his best playing one-on-one basketball.
is not a public option in the transcript of his MSNBC show below. Here are my two points about this:
1) Ed Schultz with an audience of just over 500,000 people is NOT in any position to make Obama "a one-term president." He can no more do that than he could beat Michael Jordan in a one-on-one basketball match with Jordan playing at his best!
2) Ed Schultz has a choice that he can get some of what he wants with Obama or he can get nothing that he wants if Obama loses in 2012 and if he is "a one-term president."
This threat from Ed Schultz is crazy in my opinion which is why I think that he needs to listen to Todd Webster and Paul Begala:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32416322/ns/msnbc_tv-the_ed_show/
'The Ed Show' for Thursday, August 13
Read the transcript to the Thursday show
Guests: Tom Costello, Harry Jackson, Derrick Dawkins, Linda Douglass, Rep. Earl Blumenauer, Karen Hanretty, Todd Webster, Jonathan Weisman, Mike Allen
ED SCHULTZ, HOST: "Karen, I thought the president did an excellent job in Portsmouth, New Hampshire the other day. He debunked all the right-wing bullet points, and even made it very clear that the president of the United States-as president, he is willing to raise taxes. Now, it's been a while since we've had an answer like we got yesterday. If you're at 250,000 dollars a year and more, he's in favor of a tax increase.
How's that going to fly with, number one, his colleagues? Do you think the Democrats have got the guts to go down the road?
KAREN HANRETTY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: No, I don't think they have the guts. Ed, I'm not entirely sure why you think the president is so gung ho about a public option. I think he's more than willing to compromise on the public option. He's going to sell out the left wing of his party on health care. When he's done with that, he's going to sell out the left wing of his party on cap and trade.
SCHULTZ: If he does that, he'll be a one-term president. I really believe that.
HANRETTY: He's going to sell you out, Ed. I guarantee it. He's more than willing to toss aside a public option in order to get some sort of bipartisan bill on health care out of, you know-before the end of the year. It's going to happen. You can cry on my shoulder when he does it.
SCHULTZ: Karen, there can be no fundamental change in this country unless there is a public option. So if the president wants to take that gamble with his base, then I guess he only wants to be in the White House for four years. I think he's going to have a real hard time. He's going to disenfranchise a lot of people.
I'm not afraid to say that. I honestly believe that. He has to get the victory on the public option. Todd, your thoughts on it?
TODD WEBSTER, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I agree completely. But I think Paul Begala, who is probably the smartest person at articulating the Democratic message that we have in the party, was saying this morning in the "Washington Post" the if you look at what FDR did on Social Security, when it first came out, it didn't cover farm workers. It didn't cover domestic workers. It didn't cover a lot of people. And it was an important incremental step.
Better to get half a loaf than get the perfect bill. That said, I think those-the cutting up the loaf ought to be happening, as Jonathan said, at the final conference between the House and the Senate and the White House. For now, the pressure needs to stay on it. There ought to be and needs to be a public option..."
Here is the link to Paul Begala's Washington Post article that Todd Webster mentioned:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202575.html
Progress Over Perfection
By Paul Begala
Thursday, August 13, 2009
"I am a proud progressive Democrat, someone who believes affordable, quality health care is an economic necessity and a moral imperative...
Progressive politics is, in my view, a movement, not a monument. We cannot achieve perfection in this life, and if that is our goal we will always be frustrated..."
and there was absolutely nothing that she could do about it except to say that she disagreed with him:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/29110423#29110423 (12:11)
Recovery roadbock
Feb. 9: Why are the Republicans continuing to fight the stimulus bill and cutting billions in funding to get it passed? Can a bipartisan deal that makes the majority happy actually be reached? Rachel Maddow is joined by Sen. Ben Nelson, D-NE.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/29110423#29110423 (12:11)
Here is the transcript link of this video where Ben Nelson boldly stood up to Rachel Maddow and where Maddow expressed her strong disagreement with him:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29119619/
'The Rachel Maddow Show for Monday, February 9
Read the transcript to the Monday show
Guest: David Axelrod, Ben Nelson, Barbara Boxer
RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: "But you agree, though, that it made the bill less stimulative?
SEN. BEN NELSON (D-NE): No, I don‘t agree with that...
MADDOW: Sen. Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska. I feel like I understand the political argument. I don‘t agree with you all on the policy, but I get you did it for political reasons. And I really appreciate you coming on this show to talk about it tonight, particularly knowing that I disagree..."
Rachel Maddow's viewer numbers are about the same as Keith Olbermann's:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/07/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-august-6-2009/24395
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, August 6, 2009
Posted on 07 August 2009 by Robert Seidman
9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Rachel Maddow Show—1,107,000 viewers (342,000) (546,000)
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/07/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-august-6-2009/24395
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, August 6, 2009
Posted on 07 August 2009 by Robert Seidman
8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann– 1,070,000 viewers (326,000) (569,000)
Rachel Maddow, just like Keith Olbermann, cannot politically hurt Ben Nelson or any other Blue Dog Democrat in my opinion!
There is nothing about health or care left to debate. Even the president is now calling it health insurance reform. The deals have already been made behind closed doors.
Nation, play very close attention to the raging battle between the right organized by the Tea Party and the left organized by moveon.org and others as they attempt to frame the debate in town hall meetings organized by our representatives during their summer recess. (Sarcasm disclaimer)
to one of these "behind closed doors" events in the near future?
Ticketron?
I'd prefer a backstage laminate if possible.
It just seems like that's where all the action always is .... and I hate feeling so...
left out.
Time to start opening some closed doors in Washington. Get rid of all those old Washington Insiders who keep up the status quo way of doing things and ....
Oh.
Wait.
in the health care debate to the Republicans right now and that should NOT be a surprise to anyone:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/09/sotu.03.html
STATE OF THE UNION WITH JOHN KING
Sound of Sunday
Aired August 9, 2009 - 11:00 ET
JOHN KING, HOST: "And this plays out at a time when these guys are all home and some people have questioned who is sending all these loud people to our town halls. Some say that's democracy, welcome to it. And as you know, Jessica, and you've been out at some of these rallies, some people say, no, no this is the insurance industry. This is Republican critics trying to essentially steal the debate and get some flashy clips on cable television or on YouTube.
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Some of these people I've talked to who are voicing this opposition to the president's plan, who are using the words this is socialism who are outraged, insist that they are just Americans who are upset about what they see the government doing. But the problem is that this is giving voice to people who have already been dissatisfied with President Obama, maybe didn't like him from the beginning and think his entire agenda smacks of what they're calling socialism from the stimulus to climate change legislation to this.
And the storyline is building that this government option that they are talking about in Washington is part of the broad socialist message that they think is coming from this Obama White House. And the only Obama administration has lost the upper ground in message control. And that's part of the reason they've lost the ability to control this public option debate and could lose it in the end...
YELLIN: And it seems like he's lost his greatest skill here, which is his jujitsu ability to see what the critics are saying and turn that on them to make his case, to -- and his greatest ability is to use language to persuade people, and he just has not found the way, in this instance, to win the debate. He's really at a loss in this case..."
Here is a hint as to why nobody should be surprised that Obama is losing the message war to the Republicans in the health care debate right now:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184342,00.html
Transcript: Rush Limbaugh on 'Your World'
Thursday, February 09, 2006
RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: "Neil, there is a new media out there today that doesn't let the left get away with defining the news, defining the circumstances, defining personalities and so forth.
And they haven't learned how to deal with it. They haven't learned how to deal with people like me, the problems they think FOX News causes, and everybody else. They are still in their 30-year-old playbook, in which they think they still — all they have to do is, you know, portray somebody they want to portray them, and the American people will see it, swallow it, and like it..."
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100807/content/01125111.guest.html
Rush Limbaugh for President?
October 8, 2007
RUSH: "I'm not running for anything, and yet they think I'm their biggest obstacle. They have as much as admitted this, because, not only do I influence you, I influence elected officials, they think, and they fear. So I have to be the focal point...
RUSH: See, the point is, I am the Mr. Big, because I am the one who gets to voters. I am the one who gets to voters in their hearts and minds and changes them, persuades them -- with the truth. They can't handle the light of truth, folks. That's why this program is a threat..."
Obama in my opinion has never learned how to deal with this and he does not even like dealing with it. But until he, other Democrats, and even moderate Republicans get with the program and seriously deal with it, then Obama will probably keep on losing the message war to the Rush Limbaugh wing of the Republican Party on an overall basis!
My next post will fully document this claim and how that Obama supposedly "winning" the message war in the 2008 election was basically by his getting very lucky. Obama was pretty much in the right place at the right time to "win" his message war in 2008 as opposed to winning his campaign message war while fighting it on even terms and on a level playing field which is what he is having to do right now and is losing!

Obama is not winning this. One, he is not a fighter. Two, even if he was a fighter, he has no desire to implement anything that will cut in to the profits of big insurance and big Pharma. Obama, like most politicians, is a corporate tool. Why do you think they backed him so heavily to be president?
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.
in his dialogue with Keith Olbermann in the Countdown transcript below.
I think that Markos Moulitsas is probably sincere about what he believes BUT he is NOT being realistic in my opinion. Moulitsas has no more power to back up his threat to "hold them accountable" than Keith Olbermann does to back up his threat to Blue Dog Democrats that "You will lose your jobs." What is Markos Moulitsas going to do to Blue Dog Democrats that Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, and Rachel Maddow cannot do to them when Obama is very clearly the leader of the Democratic Party right now?
Markos Moulitsas is also in dreamland if he thinks that he will get more "in two years after we get a new Congress" when many Democrats in Congress will be on the defense to hold their seats in 2010. The referendum of the 2010 election will be about Obama and how his policies are working out as opposed to Bush and his failed policies which is what the 2006 and 2008 elections were mainly about:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32297914/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/
'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Tuesday, August 4
Read the transcript to the Tuesday show
Guests: Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Markos Moulitsas, Steve Clemons, Jeremy Scahill, Paul F. Tompkins
MARKOS MOULITSAS, AUTHOR, "TAKING ON THE SYSTEM": "Americans want reform. They want it desperately.
And I think we need to keep talking about it and keep pushing and keep calling and writing legislators and reminding them that they made a campaign promise to support and to reform the system, and that we're going to try to hold them accountable to those promises.
KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST: The devil's advocate question here, finally-can it not be said that progressives in the country have already to some degree lost this one because free universal health care is off the table, and now, progressives are spending time and money and effort to pass a plan that might wind up doing not much more than tweaking the insurance rules and handing the insurance monopolies 47 million new customers?
MOULITSAS: Well, if the-if that's what get at the end, if they kill the public option and all we get are these insurance mandates, then I think it's up to progressives to kill it and then try again in two years after we get a new Congress and when we try to hold these people accountable. So, we can't go for the worst option.
Now, the best option may be off the table, but if we get a good, solid public option, that's something that we can expand on in further years. And this is why the insurance companies.
OLBERMANN: Right.
MOULITSAS: . and conservatives are trying to kill it because they don't want further expansion of this program-which I think could happen..."
Here is the Countdown video link to watch this entire dialogue:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/vp/32291502#32291502 (05:56)
Politics in the digital era
Aug. 4: DailyKos.com's Markos Moulitsas discusses his book, "Taking on the System," about harnessing new technology such as blogs, podcasts, and YouTube to communicate with the masses and bring about political change. (Countdown)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/vp/32291502#32291502 (05:56)
but Keith Olbermann seems to care about what Markos says to have him on his program.
Both Olbermann and Markos and bark all they want to and as loud as they want to BUT they cannot bite. There is nothing of significance that either one of them can do to back up their threats!
My congressman (Schiff CA_29) is a member of the blue dog caucus. He is for the public option, however.
Congressman Schiff believes that any comprehensive health care reform bill must do three things: reduce cost, expand access, and ensure quality. In addressing these goals, Rep. Schiff believes that a public program option should be made available to all, providing a greater choice to families and much needed competition with private insurers.
I imagine that there are some blue dog members who are in a better position then is Nelson who might be pressured by the netroots.
is a VERY red state so Ben Nelson does not have much of a choice if he wants to be re-elected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Nebraska,_2008
"McCain wound up carrying the popular vote in Nebraska by 14.93 points, taking in 56.53% of the total statewide vote...
Analysis
Nebraska, part of the conservative Great Plains region, is one of the most Republican states in the nation. Continuing on that trend, McCain won the Cornhusker State by nearly 15 points. Obama was only able to win four counties..."
I do not have a problem with Ben Nelson because I understand the situation he is in and his election is important for Democrats keeping control of the Senate.
Some states and districts are not as red as Nebraska is so there is more room for other Blue Dog Democrats in other areas to be more flexible on things like the public option.
I came across the article below about Sarah Palin while I was doing my usual media monitoring of influential extreme right wing websites and I noticed it claimed that "Palin reaches more Americans with a Facebook message (just under 1.3 million) than Keith Olbermann reaches during his 8 p.m. broadcast slot on MSNBC (roughly 1 million)" which really caught my attention.
When I checked the sources that were used to make this claim, Facebook does verify that Sarah Palin currently has 1,291,552 fans while tvbythenumbers.com verified that Countdown with Keith Olbermann had 917,000 viewers on Thursday, February 4 (the bolding in the article below is my emphasis):
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/02/07/sarah-palins-media-strategy-proves-instructive-right
Sarah Palin's Media Strategy Proves Instructive for Right

By Lachlan Markay (Bio | Archive)
Sun, 02/07/2010 - 14:25 ET

"Whatever your feelings about Sarah Palin or her politics, she literally represents the future of conservative messaging. She has shown the nation that a public figure who is absolutely reviled by the mainstream media can not only make a splash, but can dominate the public stage and attract the eyes and ears of the nation in ways almost no other figure can.
For the conservative movement, Palin represents a potential solution to the right's unending problem of a news media that consistently sides with the political opposition. She is the first public figure to utilize (and, in some cases, dominate) multiple media, including traditional (television, books) and new (Facebook, Twitter) media platforms. The sum of her efforts should be the model for conservative politicians and public figures going forward.
Palin reaches more Americans with a Facebook message (just under 1.3 million) than Keith Olbermann reaches during his 8 p.m. broadcast slot on MSNBC (roughly 1 million). Fox News now has plans to build a television studio in her home in Wasilla. Her recent book Going Rogue has spent 11 weeks on the New York Times bestsellers list, and has netted her somewhere in the 8-figure range.
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?ref=search&sid=4502775.1781758158..1
Sarah Palin
Fans
1,291,552 fans
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/02/05/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-february-4-another-jon-stewart-boost-for-oreilly/41210
Categorized | Cable News Ratings
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, February 4; Another Jon Stewart Boost For O’Reilly
Posted on 05 February 2010 by Bill Gorman
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for February 4, 2010
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 917,000 viewers
The sum of all this says a lot about Palin, but also about the tremendous power of the media platform she has built for herself (with the help of an intelligent and capable staff). She has gone from a political corpse to one of the most prolific and influential persons in the conservative movement in under a year.
She has managed to do all of this in an atmosphere of extreme hostility from the mainstream press. Perhaps no American political figure is more despised by the nation's talking heads. This is a teaching moment for all conservatives: she has not only been able to thrive despite the liberal media; she has set up her own channels of communication that rival most major media outlets in terms of the number of people it reaches and the influence it has on the national discourse..."
In addition to that, Sarah Palin reaches almost 3 times more people on just Facebook alone than Ed Schultz does on his MSNBC show:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/02/05/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-february-4-another-jon-stewart-boost-for-oreilly/41210
Categorized | Cable News Ratings
Cable News Ratings for Thursday, February 4; Another Jon Stewart Boost For O’Reilly
Posted on 05 February 2010 by Bill Gorman
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for February 4, 2010
Ed Show —449,000 viewers
Sarah Palin in my opinion is a very dangerous ideologue and Democrats will underestimate her strong influence over so many people at their own peril!



in a very red state like Nebraska in my opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3O1kr3qy4I&feature=player_embedded
Help keep this ad on the air: HealthCareCantWait.com (1:02)
BoldProgressives
July 31, 2009
The reason why I think that these ads are only helping Ben Nelson is because Obama's programs are probably not as popular in a very red state like Nebraska as they would be in either a blue state or in a swing state. Look at how Nebraska voted in 2008 and that was a very bad year for Republicans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Nebraska,_2008
"McCain wound up carrying the popular vote in Nebraska by 14.93 points, taking in 56.53% of the total statewide vote...
Analysis
Nebraska, part of the conservative Great Plains region, is one of the most Republican states in the nation. Continuing on that trend, McCain won the Cornhusker State by nearly 15 points. Obama was only able to win four counties..."
Ben Nelson has to run statewide in Nebraska in order to get re-elected to his Senate seat and most of Nebraska probably agrees with the Republican position on health care.
Ben Nelson can easily use these ads to claim that he is an independent thinker who has stood up to the far left wing of his party and to their special interest groups the next time that he is on the ballot. That is why I think these pro-Obama ads are a political gift to Ben Nelson when he runs for re-election as a Democrat in the deep red state of Nebraska!
At the end of the day, most liberal Democrats will probably wind up voting for Ben Nelson when he runs again because their only two choices are to either vote for Ben Nelson which will help Democrats keep control of the Senate or to not vote for him which will help his Republican opponent and will help Republicans take back control of the Senate if Ben Nelson loses!