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Submitted by jen on November 5, 2009 - 1:46pm.

Criminal convictions of 22 CIA agents in Italy
by Glenn Greenwald


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right.


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Submitted by mad4clark on November 5, 2009 - 1:50pm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJqnWIQ3o1c&feature=player_embedded

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt


Submitted by Mary on November 5, 2009 - 2:11pm.

WASHINGTON - Democrats on a key Senate committee bypassed a Republican boycott and this morning approved a sweeping plan to limit greenhouse gas emissions, a move meant to reassure other nations as the world prepares for global warming treaty hearings next month, but which figures to inflame partisan tensions in the Capitol.

The vote came after the Democrats, led by Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) Invoked a procedural rule to vote even though no Republicans had showed for the meeting.

more... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-dc-senate-energy,0,5131796.story

US Senate Democrats push through climate bill

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gu1g8Vw9o8UDUK7h0CxZ8MzDzxdQ

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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 5:36pm.

Turn on the news, if you can.

They are talking about more than one gunman. 9 have been killed and many more wounded.

This is really horrible. Who the hell does this?!

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 5, 2009 - 5:43pm.

shooting incident.

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on November 5, 2009 - 5:46pm.

that they will try to get him back on CNN later on. Wolf Blitzer will be hosting the CNN Situation Room live until 7:00 PM Eastern Standard Time.

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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 6:05pm.

I really wish this had just been one guy gone nuts.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 5, 2009 - 6:15pm.

but what's up with the two additional "suspects" in custody? It has been confirmed by the military that all are indeed soldiers. Is this what happens when endless war comes home to roost?


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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 6:31pm.

to jointly decide to do this is not going to be good - but I have a hard time believeing it's to do with endless war - unless it's idealogical as in the case of the LR recruiter's shooting.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 5, 2009 - 6:33pm.

as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.


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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 6:36pm.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by mad4clark on November 5, 2009 - 6:56pm.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt


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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 7:56pm.

But not if it did, indeed, involve two others. For it to be three people, there had to be a concerted effort to discuss and plan this. So far as I understand it, that's not PTSD. But who knows?

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 5, 2009 - 8:04pm.

n/t


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Submitted by mad4clark on November 5, 2009 - 7:07pm.

:(

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt


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Submitted by Stan4Clark on November 5, 2009 - 7:42pm.

An M.D...working in the mental health field...with the rank of Major...and a Middle Eastern-sounding name...at a place where soldiers are about to deploy or have just returned, apparently.  That's plenty of fodder for speculation. 

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
Wes Clark: "We're no better than our own sense of humility."


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 5, 2009 - 7:48pm.

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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 8:06pm.

Affairs. He specifically said he cannot confirm the name of the dead shooter.

Let's hope the original report is wrong, for obvious reasons.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by mad4clark on November 5, 2009 - 7:54pm.

...not "medical" health

sorry

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt


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Submitted by mad4clark on November 5, 2009 - 8:02pm.

before his current assignment

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt


Submitted by Mary on November 5, 2009 - 9:00pm.

..according to his sources.

I forgot Williams is still out there. Refreshing to hear from a real journalist.

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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 5, 2009 - 9:05pm.

Apparently the other "suspects" have been released.


kaflinn's picture
Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 9:30pm.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


Submitted by Mary on November 5, 2009 - 9:25pm.

-- possibly within the last 3 months. I think Williams said that the man specialized in ... or worked with PTSD patients. 

Bits & pieces...

born in VA
of Jordanian descent
family wasn't aware that he was scheduled to deploy soon (Nov 18th?)

Press conference coming soon.

 

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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 9:29pm.

something other than 2 sidearms.

From what i've heard so far, they are saying he did not reload. Last I knew, the maximum magazine load for a handgun is 17 bullets (and those were made illegal to buy - for civilians anyway - after 1994. So now it's 10).

That leaves 8 bullets unaccounted for, not including any shots that missed.

Sure sounds like omeone else was also shooting. And that makes this worse.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


Submitted by Mary on November 5, 2009 - 9:38pm.

Pete Williams saying that witnesses were reporting the shooter had a gun in each hand.

ok...

As I'm typing this, I'm hearing TX Congressman Carter (in the backgound on CNN) saying that one person couldn't possibly do this much damage.

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Submitted by kaflinn on November 5, 2009 - 9:40pm.

who just 'lost' it.

The dynamics involved to get two people to agree to do this, are, basically, all bad.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


Submitted by Mary on November 5, 2009 - 9:43pm.

CNN's Randi Kay(?) said that the authorities were following the shooter's internet activities.. something about researching suicide or suicide attacks (missed the rest)

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Submitted by mad4clark on November 5, 2009 - 9:37pm.

. the U.S. Army has identified the gunman as Army MAJ Malik Nadal Hasan, a psychiatrist who, according to spokesperson for Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison's office, had been upset about his pending deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan.

http://www.statesman.com/

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt


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