Obama must say "No" to the GOP's request of not using reconciliation to meet!


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While nothing surprises me that much any more, I could not believe the outright audacity of House Minority Leader John Boehner and House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of their asking Obama "to concede up front his health care strategy will abandon a 51-vote reconciliation strategy in the Senate" as a condition to attend the televised bipartisan health care talks on Feb. 25:

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/02/08/white-house-house-gop-clash-over-feb-25-health-care-talks-premiums-vs-process-first-skirmish/

February 8, 2010 | 8:32 PM ET

White House, House GOP Clash Over Feb. 25 Health Care Talks, Premiums Vs. Process First Skirmish

"The Obama administration argued premiums Monday while House Republicans argued process as both sides girded for what looks like three weeks of posturing before televised bi-partisan health care talks commence Feb. 25...

Boehner and Cantor also asked Obama to concede up front his health care strategy will abandon a 51-vote reconciliation strategy in the Senate. Such an approach could allow Democrats to pass parts of reform by circumventing the chamber's 60-vote filibuster requirement.

"Eliminating the possibility of reconciliation would represent an important show of good faith to Republicans and the American people," the lawmakers wrote..."

Obama absolutely cannot agree to "abandon a 51-vote reconciliation strategy in the Senate" under any circumstances with the only exception being that the Republican leadership promises to allow an up or down vote on ANY health care legislation.  If the GOP leaders will not unconditionally agree to an up or down vote on health care, then Obama will have almost no way how to pass his legislation which the Republicans are filibustering as a political strategy!

The Republicans have absolutely no intention of seriously working with Obama on health care reform because many of them are rooting for Obama to fail (such as Sen. Jim DeMint) and because most of them fear Rush Limbaugh so much (because he can tell his followers to primary them the next time that they are on the ballot and it will probably happen) where they will not seriously work with Obama:

1) Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) is openly rooting for Obama to fail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHV4nDS501Y

Sen. Jim DeMint calls defeating Obama like Waterloo (0:14)

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July 20, 2009

"If we're able to stop Obama on [health care reform], it will be his Waterloo. It will break him and we will show that we can, along with the American people, begin to push those freedom solutions that work in every area of our society."

2) Sarah Palin openly admitted that she does not believe in bipartisanship with people who she disagrees with and she is very influential with the hard core Neocon GOP activist base:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/06/cnr.09.html

CNN NEWSROOM

Sarah Palin Speaks at Tea Party Convention

Aired February 6, 2010 - 21:00   ET

QUESTION: "I think this will have to be our last question.

If you are president tomorrow, you had everything in place, what three problems would be the first problems you tackle?

SARAH PALIN, FORMER REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, we talked about the energy projects that have got to be introduced and progressed so that they actually come to fruition, and we're not just talking about them. And we talked a little bit about the spending cuts that have to take place and this growing debt that we have to get our arms around.

I think that I'm all for the bipartisan work effort that is needed in Washington, D.C., but I think one of the issues that has to be tackled in D.C. -- and if I were ever in a position to help with this is -- is not make the promises about the bipartisanship if the promise can't be fulfilled, if truly there is not an intention to work with the other party on a specific issue.

Because say they are so fundamentally disagreeable to something like the takeover of the private sector health care -- one-sixth of our economy -- then don't tell the American people, don't fake it, don't pretend like you want to work with the other party on that because that distrust that is built -- and this is what I would work on if I were in a position -- the distrust that is built makes us distrust all the decisions that are made coming out of Washington and that makes us a less secure nation.

(APPLAUSE)..."

3) Rush Limbaugh gave Obama a direct answer to his plea for bipartisanship when he said in this link "Yeah, exactly right!  He's up there identifying exactly what they're doing, and I didn't exactly hear a denial" to Obama saying "What happens is you guys then don't have a lot of room to negotiate with me. If you voted with the administration on somethin', [you] are politically vulnerable in your own base:"

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012910/content/01125108.guest.html

Young President Lectures GOP; Administration Has Rush on Brain

January 29, 2010

RUSH: "The TV cameras have stopped rolling and he's still there lecturing the Republicans? I guess so.  So he's lecturing them. Oh, this is good.  Listen to this.  We have first two of sound bites.  It's 26 and 27.  Let's hit 26 right now.

OBAMA:  How some of you went after this bill, you'd think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot.
 
REPUBLICANS: (laughing)
 
OBAMA: No, I -- I -- I mean -- I mean that's how you guys -- that's how you guys presented it.  The way these issues are being presented by the Republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to impose huge government in every aspect of our lives.  What happens is you guys then don't have a lot of room to negotiate with me. If you voted with the administration on somethin', [you] are politically vulnerable in your own base. You've given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion, because what you've been telling your constituents is, "This guy's doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's gonna destroy America."

RUSH:  Yeah, exactly right!  He's up there identifying exactly what they're doing, and I didn't exactly hear a denial.  Did you?  In this particular bite, I didn't actually hear a denial -- and nobody booed.  In fact, there was some laughter when he got it right.  "If you're going to have this strident position you have no room to negotiate with me.  You have very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion." They don't want (so far, thank goodness) to "work in a bipartisan fashion."

  

RUSH: "It just results in them, the moderate Republicans, accepting all the premises and all the policies of the Democrats.  That's what "bipartisanship" means.  Bipartisanship means: You forget everything you believe, you forget every core principle, and you join us on the Democrat side of the aisle..."

Rush Limbaugh said about Obama "Yeah, exactly right!  He's up there identifying exactly what they're doing, and I didn't exactly hear a denial" to Obama saying to the House Republicans "If you voted with the administration on somethin', [you] are politically vulnerable in your own base."

This is why most elected Republicans in Congress fear Rush Limbaugh, keep on apologizing to him, and it is why serious bipartisanship is NOT possible with far right wing GOP ideologues:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17860

GOP strategist John Feehery on why Republicans fear voting for the public option

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 22, 2009 - 3:33am.

http://www.dccc.org/content/sorry

I'm Sorry, Rush

"Republicans who've dared to criticize Rush only to beg for his forgiveness..."

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17338

ANALYSIS: Why Bipartisanship is NOT possible with far right wing GOP ideologues!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 17, 2009 - 6:21pm.

Even Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (the highest ranking elected Republican in the country right now) fears Rush Limbaugh, reports to him, and is afraid to stand up to him:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18215

Mitch McConnell's aides called Rush Limbaugh "to explain their tactics" to him!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on December 16, 2009 - 5:08am.

Obama needs to wake up and get with the program very quickly if he wants to save his Presidency, save the Democratic Party, and pass health care reform legislation.  Obama in my opinion has to get tough right away by trying to force through a back door version of The Fairness Doctrine (which is the one and only thing that Rush Limbaugh and his wing of the GOP really and truly fear) any legal way that he can and by telling the Republican leadership behind closed doors that they have a choice to either voluntarily work with him in good faith and get some of the things that they want or else he will have no other choice but to cram as much of his agenda right down their throats by using the budget reconciliation process (which only requires 50 Senate votes with Biden being the tie breaking vote) in order to get things done for the country.  Obama then should not let the GOP leadership leave the room until they give him either a "Yes" or "No" answer to his ultimatum and then tell them that he will consider them walking out of the room without giving him an answer as automatically being a "No" answer!

Obama has already tried to be as bipartisan as he could possibly be and it got him nowhere:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17823

Why John McCain was dead wrong to say Obama has failed the bipartisan test!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 8, 2009 - 10:19am.

Obama is talking a very big risk if he uses the budget reconciliation process to pass health care which is why he had better plan it out very well in order to get it right and make sure that he has 218 House votes and 50 Senate votes (where Biden can break the tie) already lined up for whatever he wants to pass: 

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17957

ANALYSIS: The benefits and risks if health care is passed using reconciliation

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 23, 2009 - 7:28am.

While using reconciliation is taking a big risk, the alternative is the status quo where nothing is getting passed because of unneccessary GOP filibusters and Obama already has a lot of political problems:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18265

ANALYSIS: Why Obama will probably have a lot of political problems in 2010

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on January 4, 2010 - 7:39am.

Right below are Rush Limbaugh's latest "orders" as of the time of this post where he said "Republicans, I'm saying it right now: Do not be afraid of being called the party of "no" if you don't do this.  Be proud of being called the party of "no" and where he also said that "Bipartisanship" simply means Republicans compromising their core beliefs to agree with Democrats."  This means that reconciliation is probably the only realistic way how that Obama can avoid GOP filibusters to pass health care!  What else does Obama have to work with when all he is probably going to get from Republicans in Congress is what you see right below?

Obama either needs to either get tough with the Republicans very quickly or else he will probably lead the Democrats to a disaster in November and he will more than likely not be re-elected in 2012!

Mitch Dworkin

http://mitchdworkin.com/
Check out my political website!

http://www.securingamerica.com/

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/16039
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Listen to Gen. Wes Clark fight for Dems on Sean Hannity's radio program: An excellent example for all of us to follow and what we all need to be doing to help fight back against extreme right wing Neocon smear propaganda!

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Obama Sets Trap for Republicans

February 8, 2010

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RUSH:  Yesterday in his interview with Katie Couric, Barack Obama was asked a question: "Yesterday you said, 'Just in case there's any confusion out there, I'm not going to walk away from health care,' but specifically how you gonna move forward?"

OBAMA:  I want to consult closely with, uh, our Republican colleagues so they're gonna be coming in, uh, to the White House next week, and what I want to do is to ask them to put their ideas on the table and, uh, then after the recess -- which will be a few weeks away -- I want to come back and have, uh, a large meeting, Republicans AND Democrats, to go through systematically all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward.

RUSH:  Now, there have been stories all weekend long: Obama realizes health care dead on Capitol Hill. Obama not giving up! He went to the DNC fundraiser over the weekend, Saturday night I guess, and he said "We're not giving up on this, gang!" The Democrats in Congress don't know what's going on. He's provided no leadership; he has never had a plan.  This is one thing that we must continually emphasize.  He has put it all on them.  He has demanded that they do it all, in the House and the Senate.  He has never had a plan, and they have taken the hit for that, not him.  Well, he is taking a hit in the approval numbers, and his party is taking a hit but doesn't. He hasn't suffered from it much yet.  So now they're kind of, "What? What? What is going on?" and the Republicans have to be very, very careful here because this is nothing more than a trap.  

And the Republicans, I'm saying it right now: Do not be afraid of being called the party of "no" if you don't do this.  Be proud of being called the party of "no." Have confidence, my fellow Republicans, that there is no where near a majority of people that want Obama's health care. A clear majority of people do not want it, and they stopped it.  This is no time for bipartisanship.  (That was my favorite part of Sarah Palin's address, by the way, to the tea party Saturday night.)  "Bipartisanship" simply means Republicans compromising their core beliefs to agree with Democrats.  There is never talk of bipartisanship with the Democrats giving up everything.  It's always everybody joining them or caving to meet them.  This is a setup because Obama wants to be able to blame this on the Republicans when in fact it is his own party that's been saying "no" to itself!  

The Senate Democrats say "no" to the House Democrats.  The House Democrats say "no" to the Senate Democrats.  The Blue Dogs are saying "no" to everybody.  A bunch of Democrats have lost elections over this; more will lose elections in November.  If the Republicans get anywhere near this meeting... Obama does not care about their ideas.  Obama is trying to get them on television, on C-SPAN. He has proposed a meeting at blare House (which is across the street here; think of it as the White House guest house) and he wants this on C-SPAN because can fulfill his promise that every health care negotiation will be on TV.  I was encouraged to see this story just a little while ago from State-Controlled AP: "Republicans gave a chilly reception Monday to President Barack Obama's invitation to discuss health care in a bipartisan, televised setting later this month, part of the White House effort to revive the stalled legislation." Let me remind my dear friends the Republicans: Obama does not have a plan.  

He has not presented a plan. He does not have his own sheaves of paper that he can throw out and say, "No, right here in my plan on page 2,940 it says you can keep your insurance plan." There is no Obama plan.  Negotiating with Obama is a waste of time.  All it's doing is helping him fulfill a photo-op promise of having this stuff televised, and it's also to set you up as the reason this didn't pass.  Obamacare reality check: The Senate Democrats, the senators of "no," cannot agree with the House Democrats.  The House Democrats, the representatives of "no," can't agree with the Senate Democrats.  What's the result?  Obama and the Democrats want to say Republicans are the party of "no." And I'm here to tell you: wear that badge with pride and honor.  Wear "The Party of 'No' to Democrat Health Care Reform as We Know it" as a badge of honor, and get out of the way of the support and campaign contributions that will flood your coffers.

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RUSH:  Look, for those of you Republicans in the House (and the Senate for that matter) the goal is to get our message out there and do it repeatedly and effectively right up to Election Day.  Do not engage Obama in staged propaganda events. Do not do it.  I'm going to tell you, all that's going to happen is here is a campaign debate.  That's all it's going to be. It's not going to be a health care debate.  It's going to be a campaign debate, but Obama gets to choose the talking points. Obama gets to choose the way in which it's discussed, and Axelrod will go out there. Axelrod will tell the media in advance where it's going and tell them how to handle it, all on live TV.  It will be a replay of that summit where you had him come to visit your retreat in Baltimore.  The -- media said, "That's the day Obama turned it around! That's the day Obama turned it around."  

(sigh) Please, don't get sucked into this.  Do not get sucked into this.  True bipartisanship here is to say "no." Republicans and independents and Democrats across the country are opposed to this.  That's where the bipartisanship is, if you care about it. If you go along with this, it's -- ooh, ooh! It's going to be squandering such an opportunity.  Here's another thing: A whole bunch of members of Congress cannot debate a single president.  And right now, we don't have a single political or elected leader to go into that meeting with Obama.  The Democrats and the left do.  It just makes no sense to waste time this way.  The goal has to be victory, not getting along with this guy and helping him advance this plan to destroy this country.  He's not going to be persuaded to cut taxes, you guys.  He's not going to be e persuaded to open up to competition and to embrace individualism or private property.  He's not gonna be open to embracing anything you're doing, any idea.

It will be folly to go up there and present the ideas.  Have I made my point about this?  Now, imagine you're a Democrat.  Here is Obama speaking about private health insurance last Friday: "'And it may be that if Congress decides we're not going to do it -- even after all the facts are laid out, all the options are clear -- then the American people can make a judgment as to whether this Congress has done the right thing for them or not,' the president said, 'and that's how democracy works.  There will be elections coming up, and they'll be able to make a determination and register their concerns.'"  He's talking like a spoiled brat complaining to Congress for not getting his little bill passed.  (crying) "You're not gonna do a bill? Well, you just wait! There's gonna be elections coming up! There's going to be elections and you're going to see how democracy works to send you packing!"  That's what he means.

Now, imagine the collective chill that shot up the spines (if you can find them) of every Democrat across the country, when they heard that.  After New Jersey, after Virginia, after losing "the Kennedy seat" in Massachusetts, Obama promises to push this career killer and says Americans will have a chance to register their concerns at the ballot box, and he's continuing this charade that if they don't pass his bill -- and he doesn't have one, folks!  He does not have a plan.  He's not written it.  If they don't pass his plan, they're gonna lose.  So now to further taunt them, he's asking for a meeting with the Republicans.  Now, in Politico on February 5th. This is before either of these announcements that Obama made, is this story in The Politico: "Democrats Chafe as White House Wavers on Health care -- President Barack Obama has left Democrats as confused as ever about how the White House plans to deliver a health care reform bill this year, after two weeks of inconsistent statements, negligible hands-on involvement and a sudden shift to a jobs-first message.

"Democrats on Capitol Hill and beyond say they have no clear understanding of the White House strategy -- or even whether there is one -- and are growing impatient with Obama's reluctance to guide them toward a legislative solution. At a White House meeting Thursday with Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressed frustration with the slow pace of the negotiations and the president's decision not to weigh in publicly on a path forward, according to a Democratic source familiar with the meeting. And some Democrats feel that every time they look to White House for clarity, they hear something different," and you probably heard last week that Al Franken behind closed doors ripped into Axelrod for this very thing. (paraphrased) "You're not giving us any guidance!You guys are letting us sink or swim up here. What's the president's plan?"

So the president comes out and taunts them yesterday with this meeting with the Republicans.  "Yeah, I'm interested in your ideas.  I'm interested in your ideas."  Well, he's not, but imagine.  So to rub a little salt in the wounds, Obama then condescends by explaining how democracy works.  And that's where he said, "I want to come back after the congressional recess, have a large meeting, Republicans, Democrats, go through systematically all the best ideas that are out there." You don't have to have a meeting.  This is what statists do: They have meetings. They have meetings on jobs. They have meetings on shovel-ready jobs. They have meetings on everything but they don't do anything.  They just have meetings, and then they bring TV cameras.  The meeting is supposed to suffice for doing something.  It's Community Agitator 101.   You never solve anything; you don't solve any thing. They have no solutions.  Community agitators are not leaders.  Leaders have solutions.  

Obama's not that.  He's just agitating.  You don't need to do a meeting. You could do a quick Internet search and get specifics on everybody's ideas on health care.  He's got all the research people he wants in the White House.  Send 'em out to Google.  To pretend the Republicans have been hiding their plans on health care in Al Capone's vault? Geraldo opened it up and it was empty.  To assume the Republicans are hiding their ideas in Al Capone's vault? I mean, that's weak, folks.  Obama continues to encourage Democrats to commit political suicide.  That is what he's doing here.  I think the Republicans just need to stand out of the way.  It's the old, "When your opponent's committing suicide get the hell out of there." You can't help it along; get out of there.  You're not even going to score points if you go up there and say, "Mr. President, your plan is not gonna work. We want to do this," because it's not going to go that way.  

You do that and he's just going to get sound bite after sound bite about how you're "obstructing," and right now it is the Democrats who are saying "no," and you gotta let that remain the fact.  You don't want to get in a sound bite with you in room with him saying that you're saying "no."  Anyway, let's see.  The Morning Bell from the Heritage Foundation has a good take on this.  "Right before the [Stupor] Bowl, President Barack Obama spoke about health care reform with CBS News' Katie Couric" we played the the bite: "'I want to come back and have a large meeting, Republicans and Democrats, to go through systematically all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward.' According to aides, the President envisions a half-day meeting on February 25th held in Blair House ... televised by C-SPAN.

"President Obama's conciliatory rhetoric aside, everyone knows this publicity stunt has nothing to do with actually considering conservative health care reform ideas and everything to do with the appearance of transparency and bipartisanship. The New York Times reports: 'In making the gesture on Sunday, Mr. Obama is in effect calling the hand of Republicans who had chastised him for not honoring a campaign pledge to hold health care deliberations in the open,'"  blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  New York Times today.  Oh, so Obama is brilliantly chastising Republicans!  The reality is Democrats have no intention of including conservative ideas this late in the game or at any time in the game.  They're not going to do it.  The White House continues to operate on the assumption that the American people would support the plan; it's just that Obama hasn't explained it well enough.  The American people have a great idea what's in this plan from across the political spectrum, and they don't want it! 

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RUSH: Pottsville, Pennsylvania. Dean, you're up first.  Great to have you with us on the EIB Network.  Hello, sir.

CALLER:  Hey, Rush, how you doing?

RUSH:  Excellent to outstanding.  Thank you.

CALLER:  Fantastic.  Hey, you already alluded to the point I wanted to make but of course that's why you're the host.  I think the Republicans ought to push the concept of bipartisanship because if you think about it, in the House, what do we have, one Republican who voted in favor of health care but a number of Democrats who voted against.  And on the Senate side, you had no Republicans voting in favor of health care, and you had a couple Democrats who wouldn't if they weren't, you know, bought out by the kind of politics that most Americans despise.

RUSH:  Well, I know what you're saying, but I still think it's risky to use the term because bipartisanship in the popular lexicon means working with Democrats.  To use the term, "Hey, we're being bipartisan," you have to then explain, yeah, Republicans, Democrats, independents, all oppose.  Bipartisan is a code word that the media and the Democrats use, and just don't even mention it.  I wouldn't even go there.  I wouldn't even talk about the desire to be bipartisan, because people are going to misunderstand.  Republicans are going to think that their own guys are caving.  Some Republican guy says, "We're willing to take a bipartisan approach with the president," and then start explaining, "Well, bipartisanship in this case is Democrats, Republicans, both oppose the bill."  Too much detail.  It's a trick word, it is a word, I've 'splained it, it's a trick word, the media always throws it out.  

Here's what Republicans ought to do.  When the press comes up to them and says, "Well, why are you so opposed to meeting with Obama and talk about his plan," Republicans need to say, "Would you tell me what page of Obama's plan I can find his answer to people keeping their own health insurance?"  Well, blah, blah.  My point to you, Mr. Reporter, is that he doesn't have a plan.  He's got these debating plans between the House and Senate, both of which are dead.  Well, the House plan's not.  But the Senate plan is.  There's no upside to this, zilch, zero, nada.  

Randy, Pittsburgh, you're next, EIB Network, hello.

CALLER:  Hey, Rush, our Steelers will be back next year, but let's talk about the Obama thing first.

RUSH:  Go right ahead.

CALLER:  What was CBS even doing showing him?  I'm sitting there eating my pizza getting ready for the game and here he comes, he gets this national platform -- wait a minute, I thought he was on track to talk about jobs in 2010 --  boom, national platform to go right back to health care with the brilliant mind Katie Couric, editor-in-chief of CBS News.

RUSH:  Well, look, this is not unusual.  I mean Bush was interviewed in the pregame show of Super Bowls.  It's not unique to Obama.  And actually, although I understand your outrage and your hilarious regard for the brilliant mind of Katie Couric, editor-in-chief, CBS News, ahem, I'm actually thinking, the more the guy's on TV in events like that the better because people don't want to see him here.  They don't want to see it.  People in my house got up and left.  They didn't want to see it, and especially him, he's worn out his welcome many, many, many, many moons ago.  So in this case I don't think any damage was done.  I mean he's out there trying to sell jobs, jobs my number one focus.  I thought that's what it was last year.  Oh, no, it's health care, but he says both, depends on who he's talking to.  

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RUSH: Diane in Las Vegas, great to have you on the program.  Hello.

CALLER:  Hello, Rush.

RUSH:  Hi.

CALLER:  I'm calling about health care.  No matter what the Democrats say to the Republicans or anything that they try to put in there, it would only be a lie. They would sneak things in that none of us want. I believe we should wait until all of them are voted out. We get people in there who care about America and believe in the Constitution and then we can listen to them about health care.

RUSH:  Absolutely right.  Absolutely right.  The Republicans ought not get suckered by this and go anywhere near it.

CALLER:  Say "no!"

RUSH:  Say "hell, no!"

CALLER:  Hell, no!  And we love you in Las Vegas, Rush.

RUSH:  Thank you, Diane.  I have a lot of fun when I go out there, too.  I love the place, despite what the president says.

CALLER:  Exactly.

RUSH:  All right.

CALLER:  And he's coming here.

RUSH:  Yeah, I know.

CALLER:  What a nerve!

RUSH:  It's okay for him to go there to blow his kids' college education.

CALLER:  Well, our mayor is going to take care of him.

RUSH:  Uh, yeah, Oscar Goodman. You gotta love Oscar Goodman.

CALLER:  Oh, we do.

RUSH:  Good.  I do, too.

CALLER:  Thank you, Rush.

RUSH:  Thank you, Diane.  That's Diane in Las Vegas.

END TRANSCRIPT

Read the Background Material...

Washington Post: GOP Cool to Obama Call for Two-Party Health Talks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010020800461.html

Politico: White House Announces Televised Health Meet

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32646.html

New York Times: Obama Plans Bipartisan Summit on Health Care

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/us/politics/08webobama.html

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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 9, 2010 - 2:38pm.

which is why Obama cannot bargain it away under any circumstances (with the one exception of the GOP leadership promising to allow an up or down vote on health care reform):

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27441.html

Mitch McConnell: 'Severe' reaction if reconciliation used

Tags: Congress, Health Care Reform, Mitch McConnell, Reconciliation

By ALEX ISENSTADT | 9/22/09 3:07 PM EDT

"Senate Republicans issued a blunt warning to their Democratic colleagues today: Don’t even think about using reconciliation to ram through a health care bill.

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters that Democrats suffer a severe backlash if they used the procedural tactic, which would allow them to pass reform legislation with a bare 51 votes..."

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 9, 2010 - 2:50pm.

so the GOP leadership are acting like a bunch of hypocrites in my opinion when the shoe is on the other foot right now:

http://www.brookings.edu/articles/2009/0420_budget_mann.aspx

Truth and Reconciliation: Sidestepping the Filibuster

U.S. Congress, U.S. Politics, Politics

Thomas E. Mann, Senior Fellow, Governance Studies
Norman J. Ornstein, Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Molly Reynolds, Senior Research Coordinator, Governance Studies

The New Republic

April 20, 2009 —

"Reconciliation" means "restoration of harmony." But as a term of art in budgeting, it has become an act of war. President Obama and most Democrats in Congress hope to include health and education reform in reconciliation instructions as part of the budget process. No mystery why. The sixty vote hurdle in the Senate of the filibuster could scotch these central components of their agenda via united Republican opposition. Bills considered under reconciliation cannot be filibustered and can therefore pass the Senate by majority vote. Republicans are outraged by what they argue is an egregious partisan power grab, one that tramples on Senate rules and norms permitting extended debate and amendment.

What is the precedent for using reconciliation to enact major policy changes? Much more extensive than the architects of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 had in mind-or than Senate Republicans are willing to admit these days. Reconciliation was designed as a narrow procedure to bring revenue and direct spending under existing laws into conformity with the levels set in the annual budget resolution. It was used initially to cut the budget deficit by increasing revenues or decreasing spending but in more recent years its primary purpose has been to reduce taxes. Twenty-two reconciliation bills were passed between 1980 and 2008, although three (written by Republican majorities in Congress) were vetoed by President Clinton and never became law.

Whether reducing or increasing deficits, many of the reconciliation bills made major changes in policy. Health insurance portability (COBRA), nursing home standards, expanded Medicaid eligibility, increases in the earned income tax credit, welfare reform, the state Children's Health Insurance Program, major tax cuts and student aid reform were all enacted under reconciliation procedures. Health reform 2009 style would be the most ambitious use of reconciliation but it fits a pattern used over three decades by both parties to avoid the strictures of Senate filibusters.

To be sure, there is a price beyond the political one for using reconciliation. Elements in bills that are not strictly designed to have a budget impact can be removed on points of order, leaving comprehensive bills less than comprehensive. And the time frame for reconciliation bills is at most ten years, after which they expire unless explicitly renewed (the problem, of course, with the Bush tax cuts.)

The best path would be to have reconciliation as an implicit or explicit threat: if Democrats can employ it to accomplish the policy goal with only a simple majority, Republicans may be persuaded to abandon efforts to use their 41 votes to just say no and instead engage the majority constructively to find common ground. But if that is not feasible, it is perfectly reasonable for Democrats to use the process for health care reform that both parties have used regularly for other major initiatives. The result might be more piecemeal and imperfect, but it would be better than the alternative of no bill at all...

Budget Reconciliation Bills Signed Into Law, 1980-2008 (I am only citing what George W. Bush used reconciliation to pass):

1) Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001

First Bush 43 tax cuts

2) Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003

Second Bush 43 tax cuts

3) Deficit Reduction Act of 2005

Reduced Medicare and Medicaid spending, changed student loan formulas, and reauthorized the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program.

4) Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005

Extended several of the earlier Bush tax cuts, including the reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends and the alternative minimum tax (AMT) tax reduction.

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 9, 2010 - 3:05pm.

in order to put every member of the House and Senate on the record on this issue. A "Yes" vote by Republicans will help to prepare the way for Obama to pass health care reform (and it will also infuriate the hard core GOP activist base) while a "No" vote will make them look ridiculous and insensitive to their constituents:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17956

Every member of Congress should be forced to vote on if "health care is a right"

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 23, 2009 - 1:05am.

I would also like to see all of the Republicans in Congress be forced to answer these two important questions about health care that Rick Sanchez of CNN asked Sen. Tom Coburn which I have not heard them answer so far:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/17869

VIDEO: Rick Sanchez of CNN asked two very important questions about health care!

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on August 25, 2009 - 7:06am.

1) "Well, what is interesting about that is that Senator Coburn just essentially said the government is not the solution.

But then you have to ask yourself, he (Tom Coburn) just told her (a needy woman who begged him for help at a town hall meeting) to come and see him. Isn't he the government?"

2) "By the way, after helping her, what will he do about the other 46,999,000 Americans who don't have insurance and the thousands upon thousands of Americans who say they do have insurance, but, like her, they're not getting coverage?"

Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 9, 2010 - 3:24pm.

reform is not passed because very few people know how Senate rules work to understand what a Republican filibuster is and/or how it works.  All that most people will think is that the Democrats are in power with huge majorities in Congress and they could not get health care reform passed.

To prove this point, here is a recent Pew poll titled "Senate Legislative Process A Mystery To Many:"

http://people-press.org/report/586/

Survey Reports

January 28, 2010

Senate Legislative Process A Mystery To Many

Political Knowledge Update

Overview

The public has consistently expressed strong interest in the health care debate, but relatively few Americans can correctly answer two key questions related to the Senate’s consideration of health care legislation.
 
In the latest installment of the Pew Research Center’s News IQ Quiz, just 32% know that the Senate passed its version of the legislation without a single Republican vote. And, in what proved to be the most difficult question on the quiz, only about a quarter (26%) knows that it takes 60 votes to break a filibuster  in the Senate and force a vote on a bill. The survey was conducted before Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown won a special election to the Senate on Jan. 19; Brown’s election means Senate Democrats can no longer count on a 60-vote majority once he takes office.  

About six-in-ten (59%) correctly identify China as the foreign country holding the most U.S. government debt. Nearly as many (57%) know that the United States imports two-thirds of the oil it consumes. As was the case in previous knowledge surveys, a majority (55%) knows the current unemployment rate is about 10%. However, far fewer (36%) correctly estimate the current level of the Dow Jones Industrial Average at about 10,000 points.

The news quiz, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press Jan. 14-17 among 1,003 adults reached on cell phones and landlines, asked 12 multiple choice questions on subjects ranging from economics and foreign affairs to prominent people in the news. Americans answered an average of 5.3 questions correctly.  

The survey finds that while the public struggled with most of the political questions on the survey, most Americans (56%) know that there currently is more than one woman serving on the Supreme Court. Notably, this is the only question on the quiz where as many women as men answer correctly; men scored significantly better on other questions. 

In response to questions about terrorism and national security, half (50%) correctly identify Yemen as the country where intelligence officials believe the suspect in an attempted Christmas Day airline bombing received training and bomb materials. A slightly smaller percentage (43%) knows that during all of 2009 there were more American military fatalities in Afghanistan than in Iraq; 32% said more U.S. troops were killed in Iraq. This question proved difficult for many, even though interest in developments in Afghanistan – and media coverage – picked up in late 2009 as President Obama announced his war strategy [See "Top Stories of 2009: Economy, Obama and Health Care," released Dec. 29, 2009].

http://people-press.org/report/575/

Questions about people in the news round out the quiz update.  About four-in-ten (39%) know that Nevada Democrat Harry Reid is the majority leader of the U.S. Senate. About a third (32%) correctly pick Michael Steele as the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Interestingly, nearly half of Republicans (48%) are able to identify Reid as Senate majority leader compared with just a third (33%) of Democrats. More Republicans can identify Reid as majority leader than can identify Steel as chairman of the RNC (37%).

About four-in-ten (41%) correctly say that Stephen Colbert is a comedian and television talk show host. This is the only question on the quiz that more people younger than 30 than older people answer correctly (49% vs. 39%).

Knowledge and the Senate Health Care Bill



Asked how many GOP senators voted for the chamber’s health care bill on Dec. 24, only 32% know that the measure received no support from Republican members. About as many answer incorrectly, saying that five (13%), 10 (8%), or 20 (8%) GOP Senators voted for the bill. About four-in-ten (39%) do not know or decline to answer.

A smaller percentage (26%) knows that 60 votes are needed to break a filibuster in the Senate. About as many (25%) mistakenly say that a simple majority of 51 votes can break a filibuster. 

As with most other questions on the news quiz, well-educated people, older Americans and men are more likely to correctly answer the questions about the Senate vote on health care and the filibuster.

Less than a third of Republicans or Democrats can correctly identify the number of votes needed to end a filibuster (30% among Republicans, 25% among Democrats). College graduates fared better than other demographic groups on this question, but fewer than half of college graduates (45%) know that it takes 60 Senate votes to overcome a filibuster.

Republicans More Knowledgeable on Many Issues



Republicans, on average, answered one more question correctly than Democrats (5.9 vs. 4.9 correct). These differences are partly a reflection of the demographics of the two groups; Republicans tend to be older, well educated and male, which are characteristics associated with political and economic knowledge. Still, even when these factors are held constant, Republicans do somewhat better than Democrats on the knowledge quiz.

Among the largest gaps comes over knowledge of who leads the U.S. Senate. About half (48%) of Republicans are able to identify Reid as the current majority leader, while only a third of Democrats can name their own party’s Senate leader. More Republicans can name Reid (48%) than Steele (37%), the RNC chairman.

The one question in the survey in which Democrats slightly outperform Republicans is about the number of women now serving on the U.S. Supreme Court. Close to six-in-ten Democrats (58%) know that more than one woman serves on the high court, compared with 50% of Republicans. Though the Democratic Party is made up of more women than men, this finding does not appear driven mostly by gender. Republican men and women are about equally likely to answer this question correctly (about half each), while solid majorities of both Democratic men (60%) and women (57%) get this question right.

Large Age Gap in Knowledge

As in previous knowledge surveys, older people fare much better on most questions than do young people. The largest gaps come on questions about the Christmas Day terrorist plot and the name of the Senate leader.

When asked to name the country that intelligence officials believe trained and equipped the suspected Christmas Day bomber, close to six-in-ten (59%) Americans 50 and older correctly identify Yemen, compared with just 25% of those younger than 30. Similarly, there is a 34-point difference between those younger than 30 and older than 50 in knowledge of who leads the U.S. Senate (16% vs. 50%).

The most notable exception to this pattern is the ability of young people to identify Colbert. About half (49%) of those younger than 30 correctly identify the comedian and talk show host compared with 38% of those older than 50.

Gender Differences on Economic Questions

The Pew Research Center’s news consumption surveys have consistently measured greater attentiveness to news about politics and economics among men than among women. The results of the News IQ Quiz tend to reflect these news preferences.

In the current poll, men on average answer more questions correctly than women (6.0 for men vs. 4.6 for women). The gender gap in news knowledge is greatest on the question of which country holds the most U.S. government debt (70% of men answer correctly vs. 49% of women) and the current level of the Dow (45% of men know this vs. 27% of women). But there is no gender divide on the item about the number of women on the Supreme Court. Roughly equal proportions of men (57%) and women (56%) answer this correctly.

News Knowledge on Average

The survey measures overall news knowledge using the 12 multiple choice questions in an additive scale. For each question answered correctly respondents receive one point on a scale ranging from zero (none correct) to 12 (all correct). In the current News IQ Quiz, just 2% of the public answered all questions correctly (12 out of 12), while 6% failed to answer a single question right. 

Compared with the News Quiz from nearly a year ago, it proved harder for the public to answer at least half the questions correctly this time. Only 42% of Americans answered at least six questions right, compared with 71% who answered at least half the questions correctly in March 2009.

Consistent with past knowledge tests, demographic groups differed in how well they performed on the quiz.  Men correctly answered an average of 6.0 out of 12 questions correctly, while women answered an average of 4.6 questions right. Those with college degrees correctly answered 7.3 questions correctly on average. Those with some college experience answered an average of 5.4 questions and those with no college experience answered 3.9 correctly on average.

As in the past, older Americans generally did better than young people.  Respondents 50 and older could correctly answer an average of about two more questions than those under age 30 (5.9 vs. 3.8).

Republicans averaged 5.9 correct answers. Independents correctly answered 5.6 on average and Democrats answered 4.9 correct on average.

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Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on February 23, 2010 - 5:37am.

When is Tim Kaine going to "get it" that the Republicans are NOT interested in any kind of serious bipartisanship? If Tim Kaine really believes what he told Rick Sanchez yesterday in the CNN transcript right below (which I hope he doesn't), then Democrats are in very big trouble in my opinion:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/22/rlst.02.html

RICK'S LIST

Interview With Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine; Clash of Conservatives

Aired February 22, 2010 - 16:00 ET

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: "Your predecessor, Howard Dean, is quoted as saying this White House has simply not been tough enough on Republicans.

Do you agree with that?

TIM KAINE, CHAIRMAN, DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE: Well, I think there are some areas, yes, where that's true, but, look, I think what the president needs -- is doing and what the American people want him to do is they want him to reach out. They want him to try to find common ground.

This is like the government of -- of England during World War II, when Winston Churchill said we need a national unity government. You know, this president was inaugurated with two wars and with the worst economy since the 1930s. And so he has never stopped reaching out to the other side.

Now, the other -- we have got to do some things on our side, sure. What the other side has to do is, they have to decide if they're just going to be the party standing in the way and trying to get in his way.

SANCHEZ: But what if they don't? But what if they don't? What if they say, you know what, I could give a hoot about your guys, I'm not here to help you, I'm going to make it as difficult as I can possibly make it for you?

KAINE: OK.

SANCHEZ: Down to about 10 seconds, because we're going to about lose the bird. Tell me what you do then.

KAINE: Yes, well, what we need to do then is we need to shine the spotlight on them and make them do that very plainly in the light of day, like, go ahead and filibuster then on the floor and say you're for insurance company abuses.

And, secondly, we have to find the votes on our own side to make things happen.

SANCHEZ: Huh.

KAINE: But the president should never stop reaching out, listening to good ideas, and trying to find common ground.

Now, we will call the other guys out. If there's a hypocrisy about saying the Recovery Act isn't working, but then greedily getting in the trough and saying you need all the money because it is working...

SANCHEZ: Right.

KAINE: ... we're going to call the other guys out.

But the president does need to keep reaching out. It's what the American people want these days...

SANCHEZ: Well...

KAINE: .. in this tough time..."

Tim Kaine in my opinion needs to learn this important lesson from Mark Preston of CNN if he really believes what he said above:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/21/cnr.03.html

CNN NEWSROOM

Doubts over Afghanistan Offensive; Arrests in Texas Church Fires; Your Government at Work?; New Credit Card Laws

Aired February 21, 2010 - 19:00 ET

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: "I think he had a record once. Wasn't it like the most hours on television or something? So listen, let's talk business here. Jobs. Jobs bill coming up for a vote tomorrow in the Senate. Why aren't Republicans onboard with it?

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICAL EDITOR: Well, clearly they have problems with it, you know. Look, there's a couple things at work here in Washington. I don't think our viewers should be too surprised. The fact is there's politics at work. If you have Republicans who are supporting measures that are largely seen as Democratic driven then that's going to hurt Republicans at the polls come November.

It's hard to run against the Democratic Party if you're supporting their bills. There's also policy issues. You know? If you can believe it they don't necessarily always agree with what's going on in that bill. The fact is you wouldn't see a majority of the Republicans sign on to this bill that we could see come up in the Senate tomorrow.

Anyway, there would have been enough Republicans for it to pass like you wouldn't have seen an overwhelming amount of support. So that's why I think you're seeing cold feet on the Republican side.

LEMON: So you're saying, listen, on something that could potentially add jobs and could be successful that Republicans aren't signing on because if it's a success then it looks like a Democratic win? Is that what you're saying?

PRESTON: I think you're using the key word there, is potentially could work..."

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