Rumsfeld is Fungible


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From the Diaries -- Brent

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Over the course of the past five years perhaps the most influential member of the Bush White House has been the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. From day one he maneuvered to control the decision making process inside the White House, eventually driving out more moderate Secretaries like General Colin Powell and former Secretary of the Treasury, Paul O’Neil –not to mention former Secretary of he EPA, Christie Todd Whitman. His public persona reached it’s apex during his brief tenure as a day time TV star when he gave his daily briefings on the conduct of the invasion of Iraq. And for those brief few days it seemed as if his vision of lightly armored, rapidly deployed, American military dominance on the battlefield, and throughout the world, would permeate not only the Pentagon but also the entire Administration.

Yet, the facts of his tenure do not support the reality that he was attempting to project. As a Secretary of Defense who arrived with an agenda of transforming the Pentagon into a new instrument of lighter more mobile forces he became a tool for the neo conservative movement who saw the opportunity to play out their vision of a new American century as they had documented in their rings for some 20 years prior to the Bush Administration. Both the Secretary and the neo-cons were fatally wrong.

Rumsfeld’s report card is a record of poor performance and red letter “F’s”

Failure of pre-war intelligence for WMD’s in Iraq.

Failure to properly plan for the Iraq deployment.

Failure to plan for post-combat operations in Iraq.

Failure to predict and anticipate the cost of the Operations in Afghanistan.

Failure and inability to provide adequate and timely force and self protection equipment.

Failure to respond to the threat of improvised explosive devices (IED).

Failure to clarify the policies that led to torture of Iraqi prisoners and detainees.

Failure to stop the pursuit of the BRAC - Base Realignment and Closure - in time of war.

History will record one of the main disasters of the Rumsfeld Pentagon to be the total failure of pre-war intelligence of WMDs in Iraq. In response to ABC news host George Stephanopoulos question about the status of U.S. and coalition forces search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Secretary Rumsfeld stated, “We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” (This Week With George Stephanopoulos, March 30, 2003.)

In fact, they were not. This failure is at the very center of the strategic mistake that took American forces into Iraq and Secretary Rumsfeld has yet to ever admit that he was wrong.

Even less forgivable was his personal failure to properly plan for the Iraq deployment. Rumsfeld and his team of civilian planners went against normal deployment operations when they rejected the TPFDL (Time Phased Forces Deployment List). This is the Pentagons most sophisticated war document and it ties all elements of military deployment together – telling logistics experts what to move when, so that when the fighting forces arrive in theater all the elements of support (such a critical body armor) are in place, in the right place, and in the correct order. Rumsfeld rejected the use of the TPFDL - calling it unwieldy and unnecessary. He stated that the elements of supply contained in the document were to big and to heavy to move quickly and he embarked on a public relations blitz to convince both the White House (where there were no former military personnel on staff who would know better), Congress (where there is decreasing number of Veterans who would know better) and the American people (who are to busy trying to earn a living to know better) that more could be done with less.

He also informed the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Senior Commanding body of the US military, that he would control the timing and flow of Marine and Army troops in to the combat zone. This was unprecedented. It took every lesson that has been learned since Vietnam and threw it out the window. In real terms, this meant that the Generals had no input on which units went where and when - these decisions Rumsfeld made himself. A full account of this decision process can be found in The New Yorker, FACT – Annals of National Security Offense and Defense by Seymour M. Hersh.

Compounding his failure to properly plan for the invasion, the American people rapidly realized that the plan for post-combat operations in Iraq was woefully inadequate. As looting and riots broke out all over Baghdad, Rumsfeld proclaimed that democracy was a “messy business.” Despite reports and objections by many senior military officials, the U.S. began its’ running start in Iraq with too few forces to stabilize the country after the cessation of combat. This was well known and when the Chief of Staff of the Army, General Shinseki, reported to Congress that it would take many times more troops than reported by the Secretary, the General was fired. In a February 27th, 2003 joint press conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Secretary Rumsfeld was asked if Army Chief of Staff Shinseki’s estimate that it would take several hundred thousand troops on the ground to secure Iraq was wrong. The Secretary responded,

“The fact of the matter is that the answer to the question that was posed to him (Shinseki) is not knowable. We have no idea how long the war will last. We don’t know to what extent there may be weapons of mass destructions used. We don’t know – have any idea whether or not there would be ethnic strife. We don’t know exactly how long it would take to find weapons of mass destruction and destroy then – those sites. There are so many variables that it is not knowable. However, I will say this; what is, I think, reasonably certain is the idea that it would take several hundred thousand U. S. forces I think is far from the mark. The reality is that we already have a number of countries that have offered to participate with their forces in stabilization activities, in the event forces have to be used. Second, it’s not logical to me that it would take as many forces to win the war – following the conflict as it would to win the war.”

Many military professionals, I among them, knew what the Secretary was saying to be false and I, like many, made my views known within our respective positions. In my case it was the beginning of the end of my appointment as a member of the Republican appointed Staff of the House Armed Services Committee.

With a long and by somewhat respected business background, it is all the more inconceivable that Secretary Rumsfeld was totally unable to predict and anticipate the cost of the Operations in Afghanistan. The Bush Administration requested an emergency supplemental appropriation of $80 Billion – largely for the then continuing operations in Iraq and to a lesser extent, Afghanistan. According to a CBO report, the $80 billion request came on top of a $25 billion requirement for the cost of operations for the previous year. The costs of the operations were 88 billion in 2004 and 78.6 billion in 2003. With the new supplemental request the CBO estimates that the cumulative total for these operations since September 11, 2001 is 277 billion. By comparison, according to the Commerce Department, the inflation adjusted costs for WW I and the Korean War were $200 billion and 350 billion respectively. (Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post, Wednesday, Jan 26, 2005. Record ’05 Deficit Forecast page A01). The price associated with the war in Iraq was sold at a much lower rate than what it has cost us.

Perhaps most unforgivable among this list of total failures was the inability to provide adequate and timely force and self protection equipment to the deploying U. S. forces. Because of a total reliance on rapid light deployment with no logistics back up, thousands of personnel entered the combat theater without the basic body armor that has proved to save so many lives. Members of Congress in both parties had repeatedly raised the issue of armor protection for vehicles used by the U.S. and coalition forces in Operation Iraqi Freedom for over a year prior to that Q&A session. Although much attention has been devoted to this issue since the Tennessee National Guardsman raised the issue with Secretary at a December 9 2004 Questions and Answer session with the U.S. forces in Kuwait, Secretary Rumsfeld’s response was well short of what was required to adequately prove up-armor kits for HUMVEEs and trucks used by U. S. Forces in Iraq.

The civilian leaders in the Pentagon who took total control of the military deployment and the initial operational phases of the invasion of Iraq totally failed to respond to the threat of improvised explosive devices (IED) that have become the mainstay of the combat in the urban areas. The use of IEDs dates back to the very beginning of modern military combat when they were extensively utilized in the jungles and urban areas of Vietnam. Entire teams were assembled and deployed to counter this threat in Desert Storm, but because of Rumfeld’s total rejection of lessons learned from previous military operations, this reality was not admitted to until it was too late. Additionally, as there were no troops to adequately secure the thousands of military ammunition storage areas in Iraq, the basic elements of the IED manufacture were available for the taking for quite some time following the conclusion of initial combat operations.

Secretary Rusted is personally and directly responsible for the lack of clarity in the policies that led to the torture of Iraqi prisoners and Global War on Terrorism detainees. This scandal – which continues to grow beyond the limited bounds of Abu Gharib, reflected a total break down of the entire chain of command and not just the misbehavior of a small group of enlisted soldiers at the prison. While many have dismissed the abuse on the grounds of the barbarianism of many of those very prisoners, they fail to see the larger picture of the scandals impact on the larger Arab world and the exceptional tool for recruiting additional suicide bombers in this region. Chairman of the advisory panel established to confront this issue, James Schlesinger, appointed by Secretary Rumsfeld said that that although there was not an official policy of abuse involved in Abu Gharib prison scandal, it was still a fundamental failure of leadership ranging from the ground troops all the way up to the Executive office - including the Pentagon, that allowed the situation to occur. Additionally, Tillie K. Fowler, former Republican Member of Congress, asserted that these failures contributed to the abuses in the prison. “We believe that there is institutional and personal responsibility right up to the chain of command as far as Washington is concerned,” Schlesinger told a news conference upon the release of the 126 page report.

Compounding these failures in the theaters of combat was Rumsfeld’s pursuit of the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) process in time of war and great uncertainty. Secretary Rumsfeld vigorously fought for, and secured authority to close 25% of the military infrastructure in the continental United States in 2005. The original DOD estimate that it possessed an excess of 25% capacity in its’ military bases was first determined by Secretary Cohen in 1998 – years before the attacks of September 11 and the ongoing operations in the Middle and Near East. Common sense tells the American public that our military obligations and pace of operations has radically increased since this initial estimate in 1998.

In the 29th Congressional District, our ONLY military base, a reserve mobilization center from which local National Guard and Reserve forces deploy to Iraq will close and be moved three ours away WHILE THOSE FORCES ARE STILL DEPLOYED. These men and women will come home to a base that has shut its door to them. The impact of this closure will force those returning men and women to “commute” three hours to and from a new consolidation facility in Syracuse. There will be a radical decrease in the availability of services and support for those troops and their families. John Randy “Rubber Stamp” Kuhl, the Tom Delay look alike in the 29th Congressional District stated that he did not know enough about the facility to state whether or not it should stay open. After representing this area for over 20 years it seems as if he should know better.

Secretary Rumsfeld and his Rubber Stamping allies in Congress once again showed that while they think that troops are “fungible” - they are not focused or concerned about the results of their decision for the lives of the men and women who must mobilize to carry out their orders.

The 2006 DOD Budget request, still yet to be passed by the Senate and the joint Senate House conference despite the fact that we are now several months into the new fiscal year, contains massive cuts to major weapons procurement systems. Among these programs that are being slashed to pay for the war in Iraq are the LPD-17 Amphibious Lift Ship – a type that was used extensively in the post Katrina operations in New Orleans and an entire list of other critical equipment needed to maintain the total U.S. military capability.

Secretary Rusted has presided over the decline of the U.S. Navy as few Secretaries have. The size of the Navy fleet has dropped from 341 ships to 289 ships while he has been Secretary and those who raise the specter and issue of the “Clinton Cuts” fail to explain how this Administration and this Secretary have cut far more forces – especially from the Navy and the Air Force than the previous Administration even contemplated. Perhaps most troubling is the recent Pentagon announcement of a further reduction in the number of vital Aircraft Carriers from 12 to 11.

There is a loud and growing call for Secretary Rumsfeld to be fired as he has fired so many leading military officers during the course of this tenure. Senator John McCain said he had no confidence in the defense Secretary and told the Associated Press “There are very strong differences of opinion between myself and Secretary Rumsfeld” on the issue of troop strength. Senator Trent Lott, the former Senate Majority Leader, joins many Republicans and while not asking for Rumsfeld’s resignation, he clearly stated that “I’m not a fan of Secretary Rumsfeld”, at the Biloxi Chamber of Commerce according to the AP.

William Kristol, one of the founding neo-conservatives in Washington, and son of the neo conservative scion and who is also currently the editor of the Weekly Standard wrote in the Washington Post “These soldiers deserve a better Secretary than the one we have.” (The Defense Secretary We Have From the December 15th, 2004 Washington Post.)

It is time for Secretary Rumsfeld to be gone, but it must be done with a full recognition that while he has presided over one of the most failed Pentagons, the real blame and accountability for these failures lays at the feet of the Commander in Chief. At no time in history has a Commander in Chief done so little for so many who need so much and while he is exceptionally comfortable standing in front of the troops, it is now high time that we find a Secretary of Defense who is willing to stand behind them.

To learn more about Eric Massa and his campaign to Congress please visit his website at www.massaforcongress.com

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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 3:28pm.

Main Entry: fungible
Function: adjective
Etymology: New Latin fungibilis, from Latin fungi to perform + -ibilis -ible -- more at FUNCTION
1 : of such a kind or nature that one specimen or part may be used in place of another specimen or equal part in the satisfaction of an obligation -- used of things that can be counted, weighed, or measured and are consumed or alienated by use (as food, coal, oil, lumber)
2 : capable of mutual substitution : INTERCHANGEABLE

I dunno. Doesn't this word imply that he'd be useful somewhere else? I don't think he even rates the word fungible.


Submitted by Barry_NJ on December 11, 2005 - 3:33pm.

 Thanks, I've been trying to find my dictionary.

Seems that it could mean that he can be replaced. But once you read the entire entry it obvious he should have been replaced a long time ago. 

Barry

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Submitted by drsusan on December 11, 2005 - 3:33pm.

Sounds like something he learned from Wes Clark!

drsusan

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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 3:35pm.

He said ages ago that the troops were fungible. Having been called fungible myself during a particularly dark period at a certain major oil company, I can tell you it's a real insult. On the other hand, I think Rummy is beneath fungible. I think fungible sort of implies a minimal level of competence.


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Submitted by kaflinn on December 11, 2005 - 4:43pm.

which part of that sounds like Wes Clark?  That troops are "fungible"?

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 3:38pm.

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I actually took the liberty of quoting the Secretary when he stated that our soldiers were fungilbe. Of course, his meaning was they could be replaced - as can Rumsfeld. Although where I would like to see him go is perhaps not bst expressed here among these lines.


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Submitted by kaflinn on December 11, 2005 - 4:41pm.

I remember the look on his face, the first time I heard him use the term.  I don't think he meant "replaceable", but "expendable".

That would truly be disgusting and dispicable.

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 3:41pm.

In case you missed Eric on Air America last week:

Majority Report Fighting Dems


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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 3:45pm.

Any ideas on who should replace him? Does it really matter who is SecDef with Bush in charge?


Submitted by donjo on December 11, 2005 - 3:49pm.

because she has done such a good job in her appointment combating the growth and influence of gangs - plus she's a good advocate of libraries - and good christo-fascist books.  Which is 10 times more relevant experience than most BushCo appointees.

Why?

Submitted by CentralMass on December 11, 2005 - 3:57pm.

One who allows the military to speak openly.

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Submitted by Amiel on December 11, 2005 - 3:48pm.

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Submitted by Ellen on December 11, 2005 - 3:49pm.

'More than a year before President Bush declared in his 2003 State of the Union speech that Iraq had tried to buy nuclear weapons material in Africa, the French spy service began repeatedly warning the CIA in secret communications that there was no evidence to support the allegation.

The previously undisclosed exchanges between the U.S. and the French, described in interviews last week by the retired chief of the French counterintelligence service and a former CIA official, came on separate occasions in 2001 and 2002.'

http://tinyurl.com/bpdn5

Submitted by Judy from NJ on December 11, 2005 - 3:58pm.

This really has a lot of the details of what has been going on in the Pentagon.  I suspected things were not right, but I  am grateful to get specifics.

 Do you think that the closure of the base in your district will impact recruiting.  It seems like it will just make it harder for people to serve.

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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 4:07pm.

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It will not be harder for the volunteers from the 29th Congressional District but all over the country Reserve and Guard Centers are closing to support a general consolidation. This will demand a much higher rate of sacrifice from citizen soldiers as they have to commute up to three to four hours just to participate and they will not be reimbursed for any of that time or travel. You bet ya ... it's going to hurt but the strategy is understandable if you understand this Rumsfeld Pentagon ... it was he who stated that the soldiers are fungible. Not it's time to act on his own recommendation and get rid of Rumsfeld.


Submitted by Nelsons on December 11, 2005 - 4:00pm.

There's no question that Sec. Rumsfeld let his ego make his decisions regarding our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past four years, but if he is fired, his replacement will then have to prove him or herself - and any actions taken will likely be just as bad or worse than what we have already witnessed. The Republicans might have qualified individuals among them to take Rumsfeld's place, but it is unlikely that Pres. Bush would select one who is at odds with his public views. So, as I see it, we are truly stuck between "Iraq and a hard place."

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Submitted by noelschutz on December 11, 2005 - 4:02pm.

Did I hear an echo? I think I just said that on dKos!

Bukt it would make a great one on NYT or WaPO! 

Well, it is 5am here in Taiwan. More coffee! Help!!

Uncle Noel 


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Submitted by noelschutz on December 11, 2005 - 4:03pm.

Mike was sayiing someplace that if we could get all the Fighting Dems to sign up on it that it would be a bold move.


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 4:09pm.

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There will be big news on the Fighting Dems front in the coming days. I have reached out to talk with the majority of the 33 Democrats who are Veterans and who are running for the House of Representatives. The number is growing every week and we are looking are some truly fantastic announcements in the near future. Hold on to you hat on this one ... I'm hard at work networking and coordinating.


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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 4:14pm.

Band of Brothers

www.clarkbuttons.com (did I mention they're free?)


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Submitted by noelschutz on December 11, 2005 - 4:15pm.

A united front on the home front from those who fought on the front lines.

It could be very powerful. Good luck, Eric!! 


Submitted by drsusan on December 11, 2005 - 4:16pm.

Eric,

Have you spoken with Patrick Murphy who is running in PA -06?

He had talked about bringing home the Guard and the Reserves now. I think that is a potentially very good position - stressing we need the Guard at home for potential Katrina's forest fires and for Homeland Security.

 

drsusan

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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 4:18pm.

But Noel spelled his name wrong. LOL!

www.clarkbuttons.com (did I mention they're free?)


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 4:30pm.

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I'm proud to call Patrick a friend and yes i ahve spoken to him and look forward to getting together with him as soon as possible. Eric


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Submitted by icantbelieveimv... on December 11, 2005 - 4:10pm.

This can be a big pick up for the Dems. All we need is for Eric to get a minimal amount of funding so that he can get his message across, so that the people of the 29th district will see a fair comparison between Eric and Randy Kuhl. It just takes a little from all of us.

http://www.massaforcongress.com/contribute.asp


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Submitted by jen on December 11, 2005 - 4:36pm.

great writer and this is yet another of your blogs that is worthy of being spread far and wide. I think it goes without saying if we had an independent, watchdog media presence in this country and information like this was getting out to the masses the crooks and liars running the country would never have gotten away with the chit they have.

Thank you for this brilliant piece!


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 4:39pm.

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for the encouragement and plese feel free to passt his one to friends .. I have also posted it on my site and on several others in an attempt to get as many as possible to take a look.

Eric


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Submitted by PAforClark on December 11, 2005 - 4:45pm.

Not quite stated is the fact that fungible means something is so worthless that if it wears out or is killed (in the case of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan) it doesn't matter - they are only people and people can be replaced with ease.

Fungible is exactly what Donald Rumsfeld is - worthless and easily replaced. If only George Bush wasn't so completely clueless.

Sorry for the rant.


Blue State of Mind


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 5:00pm.

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Please feel free to "rant" and we all need to convert our frustration into action ... In my case - I'm running for Congress and look forward to having you join our team!!!! Eric


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Submitted by kaflinn on December 11, 2005 - 4:52pm.

Hi Eric -

Welcome back to CCN!  You've talked about the ongoing costs of this war, relative to the costs of previous ones.  Several months ago, Lousie Slaughter called for a Truman Commission on Iraq.  I agreed with her, signed her petition and put the ad for it up on the Clark Volunteers site for several months.  Any idea what has become of that, and have you talked with her regarding it?

On a more basic and practical level - I've been self-employeed for 20 years, and anyone who has been such for more than a couple of years can tell you it's rather hard to decide how much money you need for future operations without knowing how much you spent ( and how you spent it) in the past.

So - somewhere, there is an accounting of where the billions so far spent have gone, right?  Which means it should be relatively simple for the Pentagon to detail where and how the newly requested funds will be spent, even with a percentage allocated for error. Is that true?

Assuming it is - is ANYONE requiring a 'look at the books' before turning over more money?

 

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 5:05pm.

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I was not aware of Congresswoman Slaughter's request for a Truman Commission .... and I think that it is a great idea and I would join her in fighting for that. As for accounting for the undreds of billions spentin Iraq ... I hold not hope for that. In fact, we already know of tens of Billions that has gone unaccounted for and that's just the direct assistance money that we are giving to the infrastructure contracts. Eric


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Submitted by kaflinn on December 11, 2005 - 5:21pm.

So the question becomes, when the hell is someone in Congress (or running, lol) going to demand that an accounting of past money spent for the period in question has to accompany the request for future funds?

This isn't unreasonable.  On the contrary, I would consider it the be the most basic tenant of their responsibility.

 

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Knightrider on December 11, 2005 - 4:58pm.

Like black mold, clearing the Pentagon of Rumsfelds deterioration of its national defense security command structure will involve alot of remediation.

It's clear that Rumsfeld lacked strategic vision, and wielded too much authority, but his glib ideas on security and defense issues must have been based on some type of policy platform.  So, the question is why/how was he   able to delegate so much authority within the Department?  Did he simply 'fire' or demote those who dissented with contrary opinions?  Did he abuse his powers to favor policy wonks from AEI and other think-tanks in the defense corporate industry, rather than our own generals (like Shinseki) and other military experts in the Pentagon. There should be safeguards, such as peer-review measures among the military experts.  The neocons have exercised abuse of peer-review in policy at every level of goverment.

I suppose any replacement for SoD is "better" at this point, whether it's Lieberman or not, but it should've have occurred years ago. But Congress and the Senate should insure greater safegaurds against the glib ideas of these idealogues, especially policy positions that undermine the mission and lives of our military in combat. 

As long as this President exercises in his delusions to how best to achieve victory in Iraq and the war on terrorism abroad,  I'll remain pessimistic about any effective change in course in Iraq. Rumsfeld should go, but both are grossly incompetent to hold offices of leadership.


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Submitted by LJM on December 11, 2005 - 5:02pm.

Not that Rummy isn't responsible, he is, but Cheney is the one who worked with Wolfowitz at the AEI after Clinton was elected. He has micromanaged the entire government from his office. He marginalized Powell. Cheney and Rummy have been joined at the hip for a very long time. I suspect Rummy took his cue from Cheney. As for cutting back on the military and streamlining his rapid ready units, that's all Rummy to be sure. That's the sort of thing a person with a strong business background would do. O'Neill siad in his book that the person he believed called the shots was Cheney. He has been after Saddam since Gulf I. That wasn't Rummy's fight.


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Submitted by noelschutz on December 11, 2005 - 5:04pm.

would be interesting.

"Crusty" would become "Cranky" - lol!


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Submitted by kaflinn on December 11, 2005 - 5:24pm.

Would you be willing to do a 20 Questions interview for my DeadMessengers site?

Kelly

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 5:34pm.

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I have been attacked for being on "liberal blogs" and Ihave been attacked for being on conservative talk radio. The reality is that I will go anywhere to discuss the issues of the day so .. sure it would be great to "appear" onm your site. Eric


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Submitted by kaflinn on December 11, 2005 - 6:01pm.

It might be considered a cross between the two.

I'll email you this week about setting this up.  Thanks, Eric!

Kelly

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers


Submitted by liliwaup on December 11, 2005 - 5:31pm.

keep the pressure on. sooner or later, emericans will say we hAVE HAD ENOUGH      donaton in the mail.

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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 5:35pm.

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Thank you and to get a good understanding of where I stand on a number of issues please feel free to both visit my site at massaforcongress.com and to listen to the Fighten Dens at Air America. There is a link here on this bog thread and I think that you will find the interview interesting. Again, my sincerest thanks.

Eric


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 5:35pm.

Submitted by Donna Z on December 11, 2005 - 5:42pm.

I first learned of Rumsfeld's disregard of the TPFDL in James Fallows' excellent article "Blind Into Baghdad". Since then, the MSM continues to blare on about how "No one could know..." And I keep screaming at the TV: "Don't these people read?"

Anyway, I hope you missed having to endure listening to Rumsfeld's recent interview with Jim Leher where he compared himself to: Lincoln, Truman, and FDR. That was really more than anyone could be expected to take. 

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley 

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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 5:44pm.

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I did listen to the interview and I think that Rumsfeld's word speak volume beyond the definitions of his phrases. The arrogance of this Administration is beyond definition. Thank youf ro stopping by and feel free to visit me at MassaforCongress.com.

Eric


Submitted by Donna Z on December 11, 2005 - 6:03pm.

Then you also heard him try to lower the number KIA to 1600. 

In "Assassins' Gate" Parker goes on at length about Rumsfeld's resistance to "nation building" which contributed to what has happened in Iraq--or didn't happen. 

My belief based on past experience is this: that if Rumsfeld goes, his replacement will be just as bad or worse. (I quit thinking that bush cannot get worse; he always surprises me.) 

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley 

Submitted by bill on December 12, 2005 - 11:34am.

eric thank you. great article. as you know many wespac people and 'clarkpeople' support you. this is the only blog i participate in, but I enjoy clarkpeople because they love to read, listen, critically evaluate and embrace differing points of view (something obviously that GC embraces)

people like you, general clark, paul hackett and others give me more hope. and, I have argued, since Iraq: bush's BIG LIE, that we need more vets in government and the Legislative Branch in particular. vets will not shirk from duty but neither will they rush to war. (I submit we should have a vets advisory group to Congress consisting of 100 combat members from every war and conflict we have been engaged---for input, insight and to prevent more bush-type blunders)

btw, i have in the past written sen reed and sen chafee and pres bush to fire rumsfeld. your article makes the case more compelling.

will continue to support you. bill from RI

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Submitted by mad4clark on December 11, 2005 - 5:49pm.

....this should be an Op-Ed. Any chance of getting it into your local newspaper?

George Bush has had his day and he's bollixed it up.


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 6:21pm.

http://www.massaforcongress.com

We willbe circulating a shorter version of this throughout the week here locally. Thanks. Eric


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Submitted by RocketCityBev on December 11, 2005 - 6:00pm.

Eric,

This is a little OT but sort of related -- it was stated last week by the 9/11 committee members that we still get a "f" when it comes to first responders communications network as related to natural disasters/terrorist attacks.  This should be an easy fix in my opinion and with federal guidelines to interoperative communications, but vendors are resisting this -- I say they can adjust if it is that important to them -- we can put people on the moon, build complex missile systems but we can't build a communications system so every first responder can talk to one another??  How about introducting a bill in the first 90 days of your elected office (oh you WILL WIN!!) to do just that??    I am sure Rep. Gene Taylor could help in the effort -- since Katrina caused all kinds of problems in his district -- PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!

Just a thought

Thanks --

Bev

Clark is DA MAN Clark2008


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Submitted by Eric Massa on December 11, 2005 - 6:23pm.

http://www.massaforcongress.com

Great idea and in addition to federal funding I think that we can leverage tax incentives to any State or local group who opt into a standardized system that includes in depth interoperability. We have the best communications technology available in the world and there is no reason that we cannot solve this problem. All it takes is awareness and leaderhship. Thanks, Eric


Submitted by Mike Pridmore on December 11, 2005 - 6:58pm.

Great piece!!!

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Submitted by Phoebe_in_Sydney on December 11, 2005 - 10:27pm.

and with a glorious title. Thanks Eric. Hope you get the chance to hold the feet of these creeps to the fire in Congress.

You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003


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Submitted by tonyw on December 12, 2005 - 12:02am.

I think like in terms of stocks.  They're fungible.

But there has to be an underlying value for fungible assets.  Ronald Dumsfeld is not, in my opinion, fungible.  Why?  What's the underlying value of him?


Submitted by summercat on December 12, 2005 - 8:42am.

and I agree that the failure to set up radio channels for emergency and safety work is unacceptable.  If this can only be done through government fiat, then so be it.  I am sure the public, given the chance, would agree.

I think your work with the "Fighting Dems," (Vet Force?) is terrific and will have great results.

And thanks so much for taking the time to blog here.

The General gets it right. Competence--What a concept!

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