Listen to Wes Clark fight for Dems on Hannity
Submitted by larry on June 22, 2006 - 7:57pm.
Democrats | Hannity | Iraq | Wes Clark | Iraq
While on the road, General Clark was listening to the radio and caught Newt Gingrich attacking Democrats on Iraq while on Hannity's radio show (Hannity is on vacation so it is some stand-in guy doing the show). Standard wingnut name calling. Bringing up Vietnam and Jane Fonda. Calling people unpatriotic. Well, Wes Clark wasn't gonna put up with that. General Clark called into the show himself, and went to the defense of Dems. We were able to record the audio. Listen here.
Just one of the many wodnerful things about Wes is that he doesn't ask us to do anything he wouldn't do himself...
He was wonderful...
Bravo, General! You make us proud.
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
Loved it that he, not Kirby, controlled that conversation. And there is this: noone argues the military and foreign affairs with General Clark. O'Lielly may try, but the default is he will end up looking like a fool.
Thank you Wes Clark for being there.
You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley
Although I'm laughing. If either of us was a radio host, can you imagine how many nights you'd lie awake thinking about what you coulda/shoulda said to some buffoon? I'd sleep less than I do now.
You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley
so you would have to give up on worrying....
But I can imagine how many ways you would slap these suckers down with all the facts you have collected over the years. :)
and his "framing" is always spot on. I'm so glad to know that someone was not about to let the lie stand.
You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley
I'm so glad you recorded this. General Clark is always in there fighting. I'm so proud to be a supporter of his.
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Hannity played a clip of Gen. Wes today....did anybody hear how
Submitted by Gloria on June 22, 2006 - 6:10pm.
it was used/misused??
It was just before 2:30 MDT, before the news....My mother listens to this stuff. I came into the room and she said she had just heard "my guy" commenting about "troops, more troops"...that's all I could get out of her.
My first reaction is that Hannity was using a clip from a Clark appearance on FAUX in a misleading way....
Can anybody confirm or allay my fears about this??
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Without a media alert what self-repect Clarkie would listen to faux? Only larry/WesPAC would know. I hope Larry returns to this thread and answers you. I'm curious too.
You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley
I agree. I will not watch Fox. I had been listening to a right wing radio show on my commute home from work but found Ed Schultz on an AM station so I listen to him instead.
Listening to the opinions of assholes supporting this fraud of a government has been sucking the life out of me.
...who was that guy who (not even with ill-intentions) quoted Clark on FOX out of context? anybody remember who that was? We all wrote to him and most of us got answers back. guy likes Wes. It was awful.
That Hannity is such a freak! Wes needs to get some kind of clause in that FOX contract...
...or leave
What would you do for a Klondike Bar?
Wes knows how to do that!!!
carol4clark
General Wes Clark * * * * 4 Stars Over Texas
...Crooks and Liars. Here's hoping he posts it
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
Said he already had it. (maybe from Larry?)
Keep a look out.
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
They know I'm a Clark supporter but I always point out the larger issue that's involved so they don't think I'm a groupie!! LOL
It usually works.....
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Thanks for catching this.
Where was he? I thought he was in Latvia or someplace.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
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If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
The Latvia award picture is dated in May, I think. Lara was on earlier and said he cancelled his planned TN appearance on the 24th because of his grandson's christening. so I'm guessing California?
....plays in Latvia, LOL. He has to be in the US
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
Those are the same things the Republicans were saying on the senate floor in the debate. Clearly, Newt is repeating it all. I called Talk of the Nation a year or so ago when Newt was on and asked a question about why the Republicans seemed to be backing away from Bush. He refused to answer my question. Newt likes to talk about what he likes to talk about, but can't think off the top of his head to answer questions very well. I guess he needs those Rove talking points. I hope he runs in 2007 as the Republican debates at least would be less boring with Newt in them.
Did anyone catch Kos on NPR today. He was talking about how this whole rightwing talking points machine works. He said that we won't be there for years. Kos guesses that 2016 would be the earliest. Although he said that the blogs are changing the balance. But the blogs can only react to news, they/we can't create it.
First off, everyone one of them is given training once they enter the repub. political sphere. The mess is driven by think tanks, wonks, a battery of media heads, and lazy newsreaders who find it easy to accept the memo. They also have connections ready and waiting that the MSM may call for the story.
Kos said that we were working on this. But you know what? Two sides doing the same sort of over-spin does't seem like a solution for a democracy.
You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley
Calling out the name calling and partisanship--politely and with facts. Bravo!
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HAHAHA! "Lying Sack of Cheney" ... good one!
That was a really smart move to call in and defend what is true… Nice com(e)-ba(ck)t.
Thanks Larry!
I loved that emphatic, impassioned defense. Good job General Clark! And especially at the end, his tone when he told Kirby "There's not ONE of these public officials who wants to see America weak." (or to that effect)
That was so refreshing.
And yes, he always asks us to call in to right wing radio shows. If we don't -- what kind of excuse do we have now? "Sorry, General, I've been so busy".... lol
Anybody listen to hear what the callers to the show had to say after Wes' call in??
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
In my comment downthread, I intended to ask that question. Thanks for asking it, Carol.
Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
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If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?
monitoring all this RW talk junk, who would then shoot over notes on offending segments to the designated person of the day who could call up and give them hell???
I mean, you could rotate staffers in the offices to do the monitoring, even! Low tech can be effective and not cost a dime....
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I like that.
A sense of the urgency to ORGANIZE! My kind of girl!
Certainly an idea whose time has come.
My mom lives in PA in an area where they are still lucky enough to have a station that actually carries local talk shows for a good part of the day. During the campaign she would get so frustrated because every week these shows had some Republican guest on and never any Dems....However, that wasn't the talk shows' fault. They were practically begging for folks from the Kerry campaign to call in and be guests. The Republicans were always on because they were constantly having people call in asking on the show.
My Mom just felt this was such a wasted opportunity for the campaign to reach people who, as a result of the neglect, were only hearing one side of the story. I mean how much trouble would it take to have someone call in to a radio show for a few minutes every week.
I actually brought this up to Wes at a WesPAC fundraiser that was held during the campaign. He agreed about the wasted opportunity but it didn't seem there was much he could do about it. I guess the Kerry campaign didn't feel local talk radio was important enough to pay even a little attention to. :(
Your idea is great Gloria....I wish the Dems would do it...I also wish they'd work to get some spokespeople on local talk even now....There doesn't have to be a real campaign going...although there are a lot of '06 campaigns going on in a lot of these places too...In fact little Ricky Santorum is always on the one show she listens to....And Bob Casey has been on a couple of times too. Actually, I think it's good that Santorum goes on these shows. I think he hurts himself every time he does...
Hey, I bet the one show my Mom listens to would take a call from Wes daily if he wanted. :)
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
would take two types of armies--
1) The monitoring group whose main requirement would probably be unemployment-- LOL. But I mean those with the time available to listen in on the vitriol for significant time periods. This group would also need to possess unusual intestinal fortitude. And a radio...
2) The calling-in group whose main requirement would be the ability to articulate the issues clearly and emphatically enough to talk over the interruptions. Plus they'd have to have talking points prepared and down to an extreme succint sound bitey format. Having a strong, loud natural voice would be a real plus too to talk over the inevitable screaming that results from injecting any facts into the conversation. Prototype being Wes's Voice of Reason.
Then after you have the two groups, they exchange contact information, and all that's needed at that point is a radio, computer and a telephone. Right? Maybe some schedule coordination.
I like this plan Gloria.
I'd call it GRRIP!
Gloria's Rightwing Radio Infiltration Program
at Calling all wingnuts. The guy there has some good tips for calling in to the Hannity and his ilk.
If folks are serious about forming a 'clarkies rapid response' team for talk radio, I'll volunteer to listen in to the some of the shows. I have a perverse habit of listening (in short bouts) to Boortz and Hannity a few times a week just to listen how far off the deep end they've gone.
Here is the first hand account I gave when Gen. Clark came to Dallas, Texas to speak on February 11, 2005.
Gen. Clark calling in to Hannity's program was a bright light in a very dark place and helped to make a positive difference in my opinion. He has set an excellent example for ALL of us to follow!
Think of the huge difference that we could make if we ALL did media response as Gen. Clark advised us to do on 2/11/05:
Hello Everyone:
I was at the Clark event last Friday night in Dallas and it was really great. I shook Clark's hand, got my picture taken with him, and got to talk with him for a moment. It was also a great reunion for the Texas Clark campaign people!
Clark gave one of the most inspiring speeches that I have ever heard in Dallas on Friday night. He told it just like it is about Bush, foreign policy, domestic policy, a positive vision for the future, he answered good questions from people, and he also challenged the grassroots to seriously get involved in responding to the extreme right wing media which I was especially delighted to hear him say!
Clark said that it is the "duty" of the grassroots to listen to Rush Limbaugh and to people like him and to call in on their shows and challenge them once a week to hold them accountable. I was thrilled to hear him say that because I have not heard Kerry or Edwards be that specific and blunt in all of 2004 about doing that.
One of Clark's top themes was that of accountability. He was strongly for Democrats holding Bush, his cabinet, and the extreme right wing media fully accountable for their actions and behavior and being very active about doing that at the grassroots level all over the country!
Kerry would probably be President now if he could have articulated and connected his message to the country as well as Clark did in Dallas on Friday night. Kerry never even came close to having the level of articulation, specific details, credibility, and confidence that Clark had when he talked and I am not exaggerating at all when I say that!
I sure hope that Clark decides to run again in 2008 (and I think that he probably will based on the impression that I got) because his message and vision are exactly what this country needs!
I know for sure that Clark's message, his running on the theme of Patriotism and dissent, and the way that he presents himself would go over very well with open minded swing state and red state voters!
One of Clark's best political assets is that he is able to get a wide range of support from liberals, moderates, and conservatives alike while he is just being himself. That is a rare and unique quality for someone to have in politics and Clark definitely possesses that quality in my opinion. Clark would truly unite this country and put an end to the anger and division that is hurting this country if he is the next President!
I personally think that we should be especially known for standing up to and fighting back against the extreme right wing media who will try and define Clark like they did to Kerry (and are now doing to Hillary Clinton) if they view him as being a threat to them. That is an excellent way to really help set up Clark for 2008 in my opinion!
I also think that we can help Clark set up for 2008 by spreading his message to as many people, groups, media, and blogs that we possibly can.
Many Dallas and Texas Democrats were there who were not initial Clark supporters or Clark campaign members. I know that Clark made an excellent impression with these people. If Clark keeps doing events like this on a regular basis going forward, he will be greatly helping the grassroots and he will set himself up very well among all Democrats in the grassroots for another Presidential run in 2008!
Mitch Dworkin
I can't even listen to them, far less call in.
:(
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
The thing is, I think if you're going to call in you have to be effective, too....and Wes is certainly that. Me, I'd be so intimidated, they'd make mincemeat of me and then you'd just have reenforcement of the wimpy Dem meme...
But those who can do this forcefully definitely should...
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
I put this thread up on DU about it....I like Hubs2Sparkly's response. :)
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
engage these creeps, because they often screen calls and won't let small fry like us on. But I don't think they'd turn down a high-profile Democrat.
I mean, it IS "TALK" radio, right??? On the public airwaves....why should some assh*le like Rush or Hannity bar opposing views from being heard, just because it is "their" show????
The only way to break the grip of this huge media advantage is to get on the shows...radio is really crucial...the audiences are bigger than all those shows on FAUX...
Furthermore, if a knowledgable, aggressive Dem is on ONE ON ONE with an idiot host, they have a better chance of getting their points across, instead of being part of a panel and being on remote so they can't hear what's going on half the time.
Here's another approach: one House or Senate Dem office is the designated office of the day. That representative calls in sometime during one of the shows no matter what the topic...in other words, barge in on these freaks.
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Thanks for your comments, I completely agree with you. Someone who is credible, respected, and well known has to stand up to Limbaugh and take him down. The longer the extreme right wing media issue goes undealt with, the more that they can define us however they choose to (which can possibly turn many races this year) and they have near full control of the media now!
What I really wish for would be to see Rush Limbaugh actually have to debate in public with a real moderator and on equal terms any one of the credible people who he keeps on unfairly and rudely trashing. I would be glad to do it myself if it could ever be seriously arranged!
A dream come true for me would be to see Gen. Clark himself actually call Limbaugh on all of the trash that he is saying about him and to publicly challenge him to a head to head debate on equal terms and with a real moderator (similar to the Presidential debates)!
Obviously Limbaugh would refuse to seriously debate Clark as long as he possibly could but I do not think that he could run from Clark forever, especially with how much more he has stepped up his attacks on Clark and with Clark getting better known and more respected by the country since he has been on FOX News!
There would be things to consider about Clark doing this such as payment for it (which I would be glad to help finance if it could be arranged at a reasonable cost), Limbaugh using sound bites to twist and distort what was really said and meant (we would have to be ready to respond to things like that), and other considerations as well but we have to start somewhere to deal with Limbaugh because he has become way too powerful influencing impressionable people and he is only getting stronger (he has an audience of over 20 million people now)!
Rush Limbaugh is just an actor and a comedian (and a poor one at that) and his actual knowledge of things is probably very limited. Clark would kick his butt all the way from here to Iraq if they ever engaged in a serious debate on national security or on any topic!
The longer that Limbaugh goes unchecked and the more well known and popular that Clark becomes, the more attacks that Clark will be taking from Limbaugh and from the extreme right wing media. It will get much worse than this if Clark becomes a serious candidate for President again!
I would love to see Clark or another credible person shut Limbaugh down now or sometime soon because Limbaugh is the almost undisputed king of extreme right wing and neocon media. Taking out Limbaugh in public would be a big setback for the extreme right wing and neocons, especially with all of the problems that Bush is having now!
I may be in dream land as far as this is concerned but it would be great to see Clark publicly keep on challenging Limbaugh to a real and honest debate if it could ever be seriously arranged and if we could back up and give Clark the kind of support that he would need to directly take on Limbaugh in public!
Limbaugh should either have to "put up" and publicly defend what he is saying on equal terms with a credible opponent or he should just "shut up!"
The "bigshots in DC" should be doing this instead of us just talking about it here!
Gen. Clark lays it out plain and simple--I can't imagine that the RW would have anything reasonable to say against the General's ideas. I agree that it is supremely important to get articulate progressive voices out there on the RW shows. I very much like the idea of a monitoring/response system.
The General gets it right.
Competence--What a concept!
Thank you Larry! And as always, Thank You, General Clark!! You lead by example, and that's why we're so honored to be supporters! :D
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia
Talk radio is pure propaganda. I don't know what else I can say about it, except THIS:
How to be a talk radio host.
Pick a topic, and spin accordingly. Ensure that you make it a partisan issue.
Take a phone call or two from your screener that agree with your viewpoint, or reinforce it.
Every 3rd or 4th call, take one from someone who disagrees with you. Give the person 30 seconds to make their point. Then, engage them in the dialectic method (Wasn't Socrates a genius?) until you can trip them up, or bait them. Once this happens, then continue baiting them, hang up on the caller, and rant about the state of the nation for 30 additional seconds. Afterward, take 2 callers who agree with you, and then move on to the next topic.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Welcome to the community, sentry!
"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark
Click on this for yourself to see the Pew chart illustrated below:
Pew Research Center Biennial News Consumption Survey, and if you go to page 28
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032106/content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html
Rush Limbaugh Leads in "Hard News" Audience
March 21, 2005
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT 
RUSH: I don't know how we missed this. I really don't -- well, other than it's on page 28 of the report, but nobody talked about this, and I understand why now that I see it, and I also understand why this program is continually despised by elements of the drive-by media. My friends, I'm holding here in my formerly nicotine-stained fingers a copy of a report by the Pew Research Center for the peoples and the press that was released on Tuesday, June 8th, of 2004, almost two years ago. "Online news audiences larger, more diverse. News audiences increasingly politicized." This is the Pew Research Center Biennial News Consumption Survey, and if you go to page 28, there is this chart, and it is titled, "Proportion of Regular Audiences Following Hard News Closely."
Now, before I give you the results of the chart, let me read to you the accompanying paragraph that is published just to the left entitled, "Where Hard News Consumers Go -- Most news organizations attract a wide range of news consumers, including the hard-news core and those who are less interested in such news, but some stand out for their high proportion of hard-news viewers and readers. Among the regular audiences for broadcast programs, Rush Limbaugh's radio show, 56% attentive, the Sunday morning interview programs, 52%, The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, 52%, and Larry King Live, 48%, have especially large numbers of hard-news consumers."
So at the top of the list: Rush Limbaugh's radio show 56%, as the most often cited source where consumers of hard news go. Here is the list in descending order. This show is at the top of the list, and this is the first I've heard about this. They did not publicize this. "Rush Limbaugh's radio show, 56%. Sunday morning news shows, 52%. The Newshour with Jim Lehrer, 52%. O'Reilly's show, 49%. Larry King Live, 48%, PMSNBC, C-SPAN, 45%. ABC World News Tonight, 44%. Fox News, 43. TV news magazines, 42. CNN, 42. NBC Nightly News, 42. CBS Evening News, 41. The morning news shows, 40. NPR, 40. ESPN, 35. The Daily Show, 23," and that's what the libs think is shaping public opinion in this country is The Daily Show.
So when you boil all this down, what it adds up to is that the largest percentage of consumers of hard news listen to this radio program more so than they do the nightly news programs, and our audience is larger on a daily basis than theirs are. The Sunday morning news shows, and this is the first we've heard of it. You know what? I'm going to scan this. We need to scan this and send it up there to Koko.
Do you have the whole report? You do. It's a pdf file. Get the pdf file for Koko, and I just read page 28 here, plus the cover pages. I'm sure there's a lot of other data in here, but I just don't remember this being reported at all. Hubba hubba. It doesn't surprise me. It explains a whole lot of things. I'll tell you what, it was after the Democrats... but it was a little bit later than this survey.
It was in November of 2004 when the Democrats had again failed, or was it '02 after the Wellstone memorial? Which was it, '02 or '04? Whenever, it was one of those two years, and the Democrats had failed to take back the House, take back the Senate, and they were stunned because, like now, they thought then that it was automatic -- and the Puffster, who was the Senate majority leader at the time, Tom Daschle, said, "Our focus groups have..." and I forget his exact quote. "Our focus groups research indicates that Rush Limbaugh has more people than just conservatives listening. He's not just preaching to the choir," and they were shocked and they were stunned because they've all assumed all this time that the only people who listen to this program are conservative, mind-numbed robots, and they were blown away.
That's when their plans to coalesce behind their own silly little inconsequential liberal radio network started effervescing, if you will, bubbling up. Well, this explains a lot. It does. It explains why this program is so maligned and impugned, because they are jealous. They are just beside themselves, and they can't believe it, and they can't get away with it anymore. They can't. Well, no, they think they can. They think they've actually shaped public opinion on the war and so forth. But that's why I said yesterday, "They think they shape public opinion on the war, but we had all these protests on Sunday and nobody went out there." I mean, piddly little numbers, embarrassing little numbers here for the anti-war crowd.
END TRANSCRIPT
Read the Background Material...
(News Audiences Increasingly Politicized Online News Audience Larger, More Diverse)
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=833
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I despise the Reight Wing hate radio. Wish I could call in. I cannot even listen for more than a minute without wanting to bash in the radio.
Larry, why is the link down, do you think?
Can you post it again?
He always asks us to call into right wing shows
I couldn't be prouder!