General Clark at Paul Aronsohn's Non Partisan NJ "Rally"


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An interesting thing happened at the Paul Aronsohn campaign rally I attended in New Jersey where General Wes Clark was the featured speaker. It turned out not to be a campaign rally after all, and that was by intent. Instead it became a non-partisan public assembly after the Aronsohn campaign decided to focus the entire public event on the issues facing New Jersey’s Veterans community, and on providing the entire community with the opportunity to hear from and ask questions to General Wesley Clark regarding the security threats facing both America and the world. I came expecting a political rally and found myself at a civic event, which of course is what lies at the root of all politics in America, public discourse meant to find and advance the civic good for all of our people.

The effect was both sobering and refreshing, and ultimately uplifting, because when all is said and done we are in this all together, us Democrats, Republicans, Independents, or members of Third, Fourth or Fifth Parties also, we all share this land and we share it’s fortunes. Good or bad, we are in this together. So it was a short sharp adjustment of my expectations, but an easy one to make. There I sat in a diverse group of people gathered together to consider the state of our world, not rabid partisans, but they really were no more diverse than my daily life. No more diverse than the people I nod hello to every day on the downtown sidewalk of my semi-rural town. No more diverse than the people I see in the stores where I go shopping. No more diverse than the people I share trains buses and plains with when I travel. It felt good to sit there together and care together about what is happening in our world.

As I sat taking all that in, my regard for Paul Aronsohn rose another notch. Paul is running for Congress to represent the interests of all the people in his Congressional District, and here he was doing exactly that. Of course Paul Aronsohn addressed us, but he never once discussed the political race he was in, or the strong differences he has with his opponent. This event was for the Veterans, this event was for all concerned citizens of that community, and it was about dealing with the problems we face in common. Not that Paul doesn’t draw sharp partisan distinctions about the differing priorities that separates him from his Republican opponent for Novembers Congressional Election mind you, but that type talk was saved for the event that followed, the fundraiser for Paul Aronsohn that General Clark also appeared at immediately following our unofficial free town hall meeting. Here Paul Aronsohn graciously deferred to local Veteran community leaders, here the Building Trades Council provided information to the public about their “Helmets to Hardhats” program, to provide Vets returning from Iraq with meaningful good paying jobs – with 450 already placed and 13.000 registered. They have a website, check it out: www.helmetstohardhats.com is reportedly about to undergo a major upgrade.

Still Paul also got to introduce General Clark to the audience, which gave him a chance to discuss his personal connection to the General, which dates back to when Aronsohn was with the State Department, involved with the situation in the Balkans. Paul Aronsohn was part of that effort to bring peace and justice to that deeply troubled part of Europe, he saw first hand the work that General Clark did to stop another genocide in Europe, and he never forgot it. Paul was pleased to proclaim that he was one of Wes Clark’s earliest backers for President in 2004. In fact he is still the very proud owner of a Clark Bar given to him early in that campaign (that’s one piece of candy we can hope will never get eaten!).

When General Clark approached the podium the entire crowd spontaneously rose to greet him with applause. General Clark looked sharp and crisp in a dark navy pin stripe suit with lighter blue tie, and in the heat of that day I have to tell you, that was no easy feat to pull off. I also must say that the tone General Clark took through most of his presentation was quite sober. Yes there were flashes of his trade mark wit, but Wes was there to talk about serious matters. He started with an overview of the role of America’s military in the after math of World War Two, how primarilly, in his words, “It was about deterring conflict”. He said “We felt when the Soviet Union fell apart the challenge to our security was over.” That sense of relief was shorter lived than many Americans realize however, and Clark detailed how the Clinton Administration came to increasingly view rabid expansionist nationalism and rouge terrorists as emerging threats to both Peace and prosperity, for us and for the world.

Talking about events that unfolded in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks on the United States, Clark repeated that of course he supported our military intervention in Afghanistan, but subsequently he noted “We made calls that made it more difficult for us. I come from the old school that says don’t ever use military force except as a last, last, last, resort. Well we didn’t really follow that rule, and I think we went into a war with Iraq that we didn’t really need to fight.” On several occasions in Clark’s presentation he wove in the theme of how military conflict without prior and sustained diplomacy with all those who might be party to or effected by that conflict, including those whose views we do not like, can quickly lead to spiraling unintended negative consequences. Along that line Clark mentioned a fact I was unaware of. Equipment deployed to Iraq wears out 7 times faster there than it does in the United States or most of our other bases. A prolonged war inside Iraq was never anticipated by the Bush Administration, and that was never budgeted for.

Touching on the ever present burden of the Iraq war quickly led to a series of personal and frequently emotional recollections from the General, some describing his own experience with and in war, some describing the losses through war suffered by others. Especially during this part, the personal bond General Clark shared with an audience overwhelmingly composed of military veterans was visceral. I felt privileged to be party to the unspoken solidarity present in that crowd. These people understood sacrifice, these people understood loss, and they understood patriotic honor in a way bellicose saber rattling civilians can never remotely touch.

General Clark told the crowd that in Israel, every single vet returning from a combat deployment is automatically assigned a mental health professional who will provide extensive personal counseling to them if needed. He made a real point of saying, this isn’t the same as giving a soldier a reminder that your wife has probably taken on more responsibility for the family while you were gone, so don’t be surprised if she wants to chose the restaurant you go to that night. General Clark is so completely genuine in his concern that the men and women who sacrifice their freedom and risk their lives to protect our nation must be given whatever they need to heal their lives in the aftermath of conflict. This crowd knew that, and they listened in deep silence as he recalled meeting the parents of an Iraq Vet who recently committed suicide because he was haunted by the death in combat of his closest friend and guilt that he couldn’t prevent it. Clark commented, “If you ever see people in that much pain, you will do just about anything to help them.”

General Clark spoke of the mental stress he experienced himself for years in the aftermath of the combat wounds he suffered in Viet Nam, while acknowledging that his own case was a mild one. That struck home for me, but I found myself overwhelmingly moved when General Clark recalled an experience he had as N.A.T.O. Supreme Commander during the air war in Kosovo. As I listened I remembered that I had heard this outline before, but this time, standing in front of a crowd of mostly Veterans, there was a little more detail, and a feeling of intimacy that had me riveted. General Clark started by saying this about when he commanded the air campaign against Serbia; “I believe every human life is precious, and I knew when I was doing the bombing in Serbia – I went to bed praying we wouldn’t kill innocent people.”

Clark recalled a specific accident of War, a mechanical malfunction that affected one bombing mission. He described it in detail, he has it all etched into his memory, exactly how the bomb didn’t operate as designed, how targeting failed, the means by which the bomb “broke”, all the where and whys, and exactly what happened as a result. A cluster bomb designed to explode at 200 feet above a military target instead exploded more than a thousand feet above a school yard, and innocent children died. Wes Clark told this crowd I sat in that somehow, by some means that he can’t explain to this day, a Serbian grandfather of one of the children killed managed to get a personal letter delivered to him. “I got a letter from a Serbian grandfather. He said ‘You killed my granddaughter and I will never forget you, and I will kill you for it.’ And I don’t know how I got that letter during a War, but I’ve thought about that a lot, and prayed for forgiveness a lot.”

There is so very much to write about, and I am out of time to devote to this right now, so I will stop and try to write a Part II later. But let no one ever doubt this; Wes Clark knows what War is. Wes Clark hates what War does. And Wes Clark will never lead our nation into a War unless it is absolutely the last, last, last resort possible.

Submitted by Clearsky on August 2, 2006 - 1:01pm.

I'm glad that your description of these particular remarks of General Wes'will remain on your blog.

It's an eloquent and so very moving talk of his on war and its honest meaning to him that you describe so well for us.

I don't really have the words to tell of how much and in what ways it affected me. I can say that it affected me greatly. It's so like what I and I'm sure an others thought he may be feeling about war, but so much more than that.

Clearsky

Submitted by ms in la on August 2, 2006 - 1:14pm.

A really moving testimonial and well written piece here.

The PTSD portion really got to me as well and the comparison with Israel in their dealings with it was fascinating, I'd not known that.

I'm so glad our Troops & Vets team will be taking this issue on here at CCN.

And-- the story of the malfunctioning bomb.... really -- what to say to that?

General Clark never ceases to be utterly human and profoundly humane when tackling such difficult subjects. He could have elected to ignore/ deny a memory like that... what other politician would choose to publicly bring that story up? (about the granddaughter) It says so much about the man..

Thanks for this, and look forward to Part 2!

Submitted by Pilgrim on August 2, 2006 - 1:17pm.

And unmeasured gratitude to General Clark for the depth of his understanding and compassion.

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Submitted by CarolNYC on August 2, 2006 - 1:29pm.

Thanks for posting...

"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark


Submitted by larry on August 2, 2006 - 1:50pm.

Paul has been added to the WesPAC ActBlue page: http://actblue.com/page/wespac

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Submitted by CarolNYC on August 2, 2006 - 1:57pm.

People, let me put another pitch in for Paul...Give him some cash if you can. He's a good one....

"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark


Submitted by MA3 on August 2, 2006 - 2:27pm.

I think you did a great job capturing this event. Thank you for sharing…


This crowd knew that, and they listened in deep silence as he recalled meeting the parents of an Iraq Vet who recently committed suicide because he was haunted by the death in combat of his closest friend and guilt that he couldn’t prevent it. Clark commented, "If you ever see people in that much pain, you will do just about anything to help them."

And I can only imagine what Gen. Clark went through and all the army personnel who suffer emotional and mental difficulties from a war. It’s like entering into another war but it is even harder to fight it because you are not fighting something tangible, and in a sense you are fighting yourself… It’s very hard : (

This is another powerful quote: "I believe every human life is precious, and I knew when I was doing the bombing in Serbia – I went to bed praying we wouldn’t kill innocent people."

If we don’t have a military to defend us, than we are vulnerable to evil political actions. Yet, those who serve in the military know that there is a personal sacrifice and have to eventually fight the moral reasoning of why going through such hardships in order to create peace and happiness.

Submitted by taters on August 2, 2006 - 2:40pm.

What a wonderful job of writing. Great report.

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on August 2, 2006 - 2:55pm.

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If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?


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Submitted by jen on August 2, 2006 - 3:16pm.

We are so blessed to have you here, such a gifted writer you are. I always read you at DU, and am so happy you blogged this here for us to see, through your eyes, yesterday's event.

And how blessed we all are that General Clark is willing to continue his life-long service to country and help us save our Constitution that he so long ago swore an oath to defend and protect.


Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia


Submitted by Ellen on August 2, 2006 - 3:29pm.

Thank you, Tom.

Submitted by Tom Rinaldo on August 2, 2006 - 9:47pm.

Maybe you could tell that I fell back into being there the more I wrote, because the feelings in that crowd were so strong, because the feelings Wes had were so strong.

I was reflecting on it today and it struck me that Clark wasn't talking to a group of liberal activist Democrats who he was trying to impress with his "softer side". When Clark said things like "every life is sacred" and "I often pray for forgiveness" he was talking to a crowd that included a lot of battle tested life long Republicans in it.

General Clark was being his true self, and everyone there seemed to appreciate him even more for being just that.

I had no time today for any more writing. Hopefully I can add a little more tomorrow.

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Submitted by Knightrider on August 2, 2006 - 11:15pm.

I'm noticing some blog balance with these posts.  Interestingly, aside from our writing styles (mine puctuated with grammarical errors ;),  we each offered unique accounts and details that the other did not.

Now, we just got to encourage Guyman to post a blog and share his experience and perspective, as well. ;)   As for Melange, let's work on building a guilt trip, so that she'll be ready to transcribe any video that should become available. :)


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Submitted by CarolNYC on August 3, 2006 - 7:00am.

But, yes, Guyman should post a blog from the evening himself....

"The mark of leadership is not to standup when everybody is standing, but rather to actually stand up when no one else is standing" - Pulitzer Prize winning author Samantha Power, introducing Gen Clark


Submitted by Melange on August 3, 2006 - 10:17pm.

What, no mention of my mosquito bites?!?!

Submitted by Tom Rinaldo on August 3, 2006 - 10:32pm.

Why yes, they were going to provide the central organizing theme to part II, were it ever written.

Your NJ mosquito bites would have been the literary device I needed to convey the existence of differing levels of relative suffering, had I gotten around to writing Part II of course. I'm sure Knight had similar plans for his part II, had he actually written his part II.

Your bites came very close to conveying deep true and lasting meaning, but as it is, now they only itch.

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Submitted by Knightrider on August 3, 2006 - 11:35pm.

Not sure if this is climate change related, ;)

.... but did you get bit by something like this?

//i40.photobucket.com/albums/e217/ClarkDemocrat/Mosquitodoublehuge.jpg” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.  updated again ;) 

I caught 6 of these near the window, and this one is over an inch long! The diameter of the glass is wider than a can of soda. (there's some optical illusion, because the pic was taken at eye level, but it's certainly not as wide as the glass ;)

correction: ...oops, date is 7.29.06

 


Submitted by GUYMAN on August 3, 2006 - 12:59pm.

I'm about to repeat what I said in my reply to one of the other Blogs, have been a few requests to post my own Blog so here goes.
Naturally it was a pleasure to meet the General, shake his hand, etc. He was cool in the heat and articulate as ever. You can tell how much he cares about the veterans. Meeting some of the other Bloggers was great, hope it won't be the last time. I asked him a question about Iraq. Up until recently I would have agreed 100% with what he said , and I certainly still agree with his criticism of going in, and how the Bush people have run the war. But I have to admit I'm at the point where I'm not sure how much more good we can do there. We can't force the Iraqis to live together in peace. Today the British Foreign Service and some of our own generals said the country is basically in a civil war. General Clark quoted Colin Powell who said "if you go in (Iraq) you own it". Well, we do have alot of responsibility but our ultimate responsibility is to our own country. We are spending billions of dollars, and more importantly losing precious lives every day. I have to believe that the General with his obvious intelligence will be able to determine when it's time to scale down and eventually leave (and we do have to leave in my opinion). Also, on a purely political level I don't think Democratic Party primary voters are going to go for a candidate who appears to be for "sticking it out". But I know Clark won't bend for that reason - he has too much integrity for that.
* I JUST REALIZED THIS IS JUST ANOTHER COMMENT, NOT A NEW BLOG. SORRY, I'M STILL NEW TO THIS.

Submitted by Tom Rinaldo on August 3, 2006 - 1:31pm.

That's how it works. Your post fits fine as a comment, and you can still start your own blog entry and expand on your thoughts further.

Clark has always been grim about what is happening inside of Iraq, he never wears Bush's rose colored contacts. If it was just a localized and contained civil war, it would still be a human tragedy, but it wouldn't have all the profound implications for the rest of the workd that Iraq holds.

Too many regional and religious fault lines run through Iraq, the most immediate interconnected web extends from Pakistan through Turkey, and of course all of the Western powers are linked in also when a war of civilizations gets talked about. What happens inside Iraq effects all of that, it is effecting what is happening inside Lebanon today.

We can leave Iraq but we will still have the face the consequences of everything that happens next there, and we will still be in the region, and don't think for a second that our remaining regional presence will then go unnoticed if we simply leave Iraq.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't leave Iraq, and I'm certainly not endorcing Bush's blind "stay the course". I just am not in a postion to know when the actual final tipping moment is reached, when it is only possible to further destabalize Iraq more by remaining than we would by leaving. People use the line, "that's above my pay scale" when describing a situation that they really don't know enough to decide on, and that covers it for me.

I trust General Clark though, and if he's worried about consequences, than I'm worried about consequences, it comes down to that. One line that General Clark said in New Jersey, in reply to your question I think, which stands out for me was along the lines of(not a direct quote:)"we would be better off with an Iraq that was Anti-American, where the major facitons someehow found a way to coexist and live together, than we would be with an Iraq that fell into full scale civil war, with the major factions openly fighting each other."

I know it seems we are getting closer to the latter, and General Clark has said before that once an attempt to create a functional Iraq State has completely failed, we have no further business being there.

Today I took note of one line I saw in a news story from the New York Times, talking about how the sectarian killings inside of Iraq are often done by people wearing either real or counterfeit Iraq Security uniforms:

"In Iraq, It’s Hard to Trust Anyone in Uniform."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/03/world/middleeast/03uniforms.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

It's the last line in this quoted section:

Sunnis, in particular, now out of power, question whether the ministry is serious. Omar al-Jabouri, who runs the human rights office for the Islamic Party, said the Shiite-led government would never end corruption and killings by officers or impersonators until it broke with Shiite militias.

Like many Sunnis, he contends that these militias now make up the backbone of the Interior Ministry. The new uniforms, ID cards and other plans, he said, “are a false certificate of reform — it’s a way to claim they are innocent.”

For more than a year, he has been collecting stories of atrocities committed by uniformed Iraqis. In a recent interview, he produced a book of case studies with color photographs showing gruesome evidence of torture and killings by men in uniform: a sheik with a power drill driven into his temple; 14 laborers abducted from a checkpoint in Baghdad and killed; dozens of men beaten, burned with acid and shot.

“Nowadays, there are a lot of neighborhoods that won’t allow commandos into their neighborhoods without American escorts,” he said."

So in a perverse way, American troops are more trusted to keep the peace and stop sectarian killings than are Iraq forces, even in Suni areas, where the heart of the real insurgency lies. Obviously this is not a workable solution to the problems that are tearing Iraq apart. But can we still help buy the new Iraq government a few months precious time to begin to turn this around, and if so, is our continued presence there still worth it?

I don't know, do you?

Submitted by Donna Z on August 3, 2006 - 8:20pm.

Well, we do have alot of responsibility but our ultimate responsibility is to our own country.

I never thought Iraq should begin, and everyday I wish it was over. Everyday. I'm tired of waking up to coffee and carnage. I'm tired of watching my daughter's and everyone's sons and daughters futures go up in smoke. Nevertheless, General Clark does put our country first. What he sees is how ultimately a disintegration in Iraq and the region will adversely effect the USA worse that anything happening now.

He has told us that there are no happy endings to Iraq, there is only a choice now between a horrible ending for us, and a bad ending for us. Turning our back on this region after we blew it up will mean something regarding our place in the world for years to come. Wilkerson, Powell's aide, has said that if there is not relative stability in Iraq when we leave, we will be back again in a few years with millions of troops. The Saudis and the other Sunni lead regional governments cannot stand by and watch the Sunnis in Iraq be slaughtered. The USA will bear the burden of that possible war.

A war that engulfs the region, as Juan Cole has said, may bring us $20 a gallon oil, but will bring misery and starvation to the emerging third world. If we are hated now, how will be viewed then?

Not one Democrat had said anything substantial about our pulling out of Iraq. Feingold says we need some plan to get out in blah, blah, months. But in reality he doesn't have a plan, he has a sounds-good-bite. What the Democrats have agreed upon, including General Clark, is that we must have a phased troop redeployment. That seems to be a realistic goal.

If I could have one wish, it would be for Wes Clark to be handling this. Then I know that we would not be in Iraq one more second than we had to, and I know that we could still leave with a D+ and not an F. Because, as you say, and I agree, Wes would do ultimately what is best for America.

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.--J. V. Marley 

Submitted by Ellen on August 2, 2007 - 5:10pm.

'I know Clark won't bend for that reason - he has too much integrity for that.'

He is also able to EXPLAIN why he takes that position, better than anyone could.

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