will keep the issues separate, but can't help feeling the same private companies will be raking in the dollars from the mess in both Gulfs.

You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003

I only have to look out the window to see who usually ends up benefitting from urban re-engineering scemes. Those people in the Astrodome won't even be able to afford a studio apartment in the new city.

The world is always going to be ruled by people who want to rule the world.

I've only returned home from a late day at work and have only seen excerpts of the President's speech. It seems ironic to me (synchronistic?) that our nation is currently dealing with two problematic "Gulf" crises. Seemingly so different, yet with some similar "themes." Each demonstrates so very clearly, in my opinion, this administration's lack of authentic leadership. Now we've just heard the promises. With the ongoing crises in Iraq, it is hard to be possitive about the administration's capacity and willingness to achieve the needs of the COMMON GOOD in our own gulf. As Howard Fineman just noted on television, the president made this speech and took responsibility BECAUSE HE HAD TO!! We must hold him and his administration to the task and monitor that it is we the people, in Louisiana and Mississippi, who benefit. Not Halliburton, etc.

And, General Wes, I'm so very glad to see/hear that you on monitoring the administration as well. Thank you.

Leadership means lifting people up. --Wes Clark

Therefore he was lying.

"I think we're dealing with the most closed, imperialistic, nastiest administration in living memory. They even put Richard Nixon to shame."
General Wesley Clark, presidential candidate

your comments General. Someone needs to be appointed though to oversee this. It seems very hard to find an honest individual in the current administration and too much treasure has disappeared or not been used effectively in the war.

We keep on hoping that the President is going to over reach, but the general population is too passive and willing to put up with the status quo. People I talk to on a daily basis tell me that they do not watch or listen to the news as "it is too upsetting". They do not seem to understand that citizens have a responsibility to monitor their government and reign them in, if necessary. It is a sad state of affairs.

.........Bush's speech contained a lot of good and hopeful ideas. It's just I can't believe he will actually follow through with them. To me it's just another "condom" speech.

OK General ...I see that puzzled look on your face....Your thinking - What in the world is a condom speech?

It's like a condom cos' ---

A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed.

has been on the wish list of property developers for quite some time, apparently.

I spent several hours last weekend with a good friend who has close ties to the African American community in New Orleans.... also a very politically saavy lady.

She reports that developers have wanted to get their hands on the 'prime real estate' around the Superdome, tear down the low and middle income housing and relocate the people who lived in those neighborhoods for years.

One of the measures of 'who's going to get rich off this Bush scheme' will be who winds up with those specific parcels of land.

The right seems to be pushing already for the President to abandon the policies he put forth in his speech this evening. Even Tony Blakely of the Washington Times was condemning it. I really don't know where they will find the money to even attempt to do everything that was put forward tonight. Some of the republican congressional leadership were already putting foward the idea today of basically gutting what is left of our government to pay for the reconstruction. Now if we had a congress and administration that would even entertain the thought of letting the tax cuts to the upper 2% of incomes lapse, then we might be able to get a handle on the situation. However does anyone really think that very likely?

I'm very concerned about people being allowed back into the city of New Orleans so quickly- I realize the television images are just mediated slices, but these images simply don't track with what the party line is spouting, as is so often the case with this Administration.

While the Halliburton contract ink is long dry, I fear that proper disaster assesments have not been made specifically, in New Orleans. I can well imagine the distress of the residents & their desire to return & begin the years long process of rebuilding- and their legitimate concern about where they fit into that picture- but it does not seem to me that the powers that be are allowing enough time for a serious assesment.

I believe this already points toward a flawed vision that will be poorly implemented, a crazy-quilt kind of approach. We need something a lot more comprehensive and we need to take the time to do it right.

Even as he spoke, other groups like Veterans for Peace on the ground are reporting there are still the corpses of victims lying out in the open in Covington, Louisiana.

In the greater Gulf Coast, many local and state officals are downright alarmed at both the President's speech, his "ideas" (the implementation of them, anyway) and the sum total of the Federal response (and lack of response).

Isn't the first stage assessment? Why/how on god's green earth can contracts already be handed out? They are (rightly) complaining that outside companies with ties to Texas are already being given preferential treatment- not to mention Bush waiving the wage protections!!!!

CRAZY things are being said of utilizing military forces- Are our forces not already stretched to the breaking point?

In a short time, as the nation recovers from the initial shock of Katrina and the realization that we are left wide open & vulnerable, the war will be coming home. And not in a good way. It seems we are attacked on all sides.

If there was ever a time for your 100 Year Vision, this is it.

Critical public policy decisions seem to be tossed around like autumn leaves in a strong wind, not spinning sure & strong like the earth below, which creates the tree, and the wind. They just have no vision.

All that investment in $billion$, and subsequent to 9/11, ...how was it all wasted? Weren't they suppose to protect our country from terrorist acts AND major disasters? Every policy that Bush has intiated has become a money pit that has roasted America's worth into deeper debt,...but where's the beef(!)?

Now experts are predicting the America's cost in this disaster (which could have been prevented during his presidency) to reach up to$300 Billion! This would be Bush's 3rd catastrophic blunder in 4 years! How can America possibly afford another year, with tax welfare being proposed for the wealthy who also benefit from the gross errors of Bush's incompetencies. At what price should we allow him to fleece away America's future?

If Bush has any intregrity and character, as well as respect for the office of the US Presidency, then, as service to country, Bush should RESIGN immediately! Shamefully, we know that he's no leader.

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"Debate, Dialogue, Discussion, Disagreement - that's not wrong -that's not unpatriotic, that's one of the highest forms of patriotism and love of country, and we need to say it!" - Gen. Wesley Clark (US Ret.)

With all this money being spent can we expect that taxes will need to be raised or can we keep tax rates the same?

Tucker Carlson said to Rachel Maddow (sp) more or less that Bush blew it. He said nothing Bush could say would make liberals like Rachel happy, and what he did say lost people like Tucker who don't want to see all the spending. It was too liberal for him! Hahahaha! He was very unhappy with Bush.

Rachel pointed out that we don't want big government, we want good govt. Bush just spends money, and spends it wrong in ways that don't help the American people.

Thanks for the summary General. I myself did not watch the President's address because I have come to learn that his little prime-time addresses are nothing more than public opinion drives to save face.

"I am the blogger formerly known as clarkuistador"

And yet we don't seem to learn - whether it be in political management, business management, financial management, social management, or just management in general (no pun intended).

"I appreciate ideas like empowerment zones, training, relocation, and urban homesteads, but the devil is in the details"

What's the other one? '...and for want of horseshoe (nail), the kingdom was lost."

"Our public servants work for us - we don't work for them. We have an obligation, as citizens of this country, to always remember that - and to never let them forget it." - DeadMessengers

200 + billion for Iraq and counting, 200+ billion for New Orleans. Somethings gotta give. I don't understand the economics issues really. Do we just borrow billions more from China?

"Who benefits, and who decides who benefits?"

We certainly didn't see or hear much from Dick Cheney that first week, did we? It would be VERY interesting to obtain his phone log to determine how much time he spent talking to his buddies at Halliburton.

Josh Marshall said the following:

"there's the president's great line from the speech: "It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces."

This is like what we were talking about a few days ago. This is how repressive governments operate -- mixing inefficiency with authoritarian tendencies."

http://tinyurl.com/bql75

Do you agree with him? It seems to me putting your top political operative in charge of a rebuilding project like this is a guarantee that it will be the ultimate political slush fund. What is his point about the Army? Is he calling for martial law? The federal government had plenty of authority, it was just incompetent.

When will the Democrats start to scream about this?

For speaking out tonight, I too wish that the President took the situation more seriously when we were in the life saving stage of operations.

And secondly I appreciate you not giving the President a instant stamp of approval, the devil really is in the details and it remains to be seen if the President will live up the lofty promises he made in his speech tonight. I saw Bush lay out a vision of a Gulf Coast rebuilt, just as I saw Bush lay out a vision of a Democratic Iraq, but I saw no clear plan on how to get there.

President Bush said tonight he invited the input of both parties on this critical issue, I hope you personally hold him to his word on that, along with progressive Democratic leaders. You've had much experience in managing major military operations and massive disruptions in populations; there are many different requirements between this situation and Kosovo as you are well aware.

But I have no doubt that your experience will provide valuable insights into a rebuilding process that we can look back on 25 or 50 years down the road and be proud of.

Finally on the point of Iraq, the only withdraw I'd want would be of the National Guard of the effected states, their people need them at home and the other 47 states can and should pick up the burden. Beyond that the issues should remain separate, for the safety of our troops.

I look forward to hearing more from you in the days ahead, and I look forward to your visit to Virginia on the behalf of Tim Kaine.

Considering his 5-year track record, there were plenty of issues to be skeptical about. Of course, the price tag will be the primary issue for most. For me, his talk of helping the poor sounded just as hollow as his self-characterization as a compassionate conservative.

But the most troubling issue to me was his implication that the military should take a lead role in responding to disasters like this.

We certainly saw the difference the military can make as soon as the troops arrived in New Orleans. And I have nothing but respect for most of our country's service members. The problem is I have very little faith in the current civilian leadership. In fact, I simply don't trust them. This begs several questions. Just a few off the top of my head include:

Wouldn't an effectively managed organization like the Clinton-era FEMA continue to be a better alternative as lead coordinator?
What level of disaster would require military mobilization?
Every tornado?
Every hurricane?
Every earthquake?
Every volcanic eruption?
Every ice storm?
Where would our leadership draw the line?
And if we mobilized troops for all natural "disasters," wouldn't this government start resembling an entirely unashamed authoritarian regime. Wouldn't it look like a police state somewhere in America in just about any given week of the year?
AND, what happens if we're involved in a major combat operation? Less like Iraq and more like World War II. When virtually all of our troops would be deployed overseas. Then what would happen during hurricane/tornado season?

As the General said, the devil is in the details. That's the case with every Bush policy to date. Literally. The devil is in the details.

I really liked the part where you talked of how New Orleaneans should be the benefactors. And the part about the rural communities along the coast who also need help. I'd like to see that expanded on. While the media has certainly talked about the lack of FEMA people and the presense of charitable workers, I don't think anyone has made a strong enough statement yet about how the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast -- and the protecting of it -- should be a public enterprise not a private enterprise. That the Bush Administration seems happy to sit back and let private donations do the job the federal government is supposed to do. And yes, I suppose I do trust the Red Cross more than the federal government at the moment. But that's not the way it's supposed to be. We also already know that Bush has abolished the minimum wage for the workers who'll rebuild, even as he gives huge no-bid contracts to firms with bad records and close associations with Cheney. Raiding the federal government to help Cheney's chums will clearly continue -- New Orleans will give these firms a tidy profit as the national debt increases.

I respect that you don't want the bread vs. butter argument. But sometimes you talk about military matters to the exclusion of other matters. There should be speeches that you make that don't mention Iraq. That don't mention vets. That don't mention security. No one's going to forget that you are strong on those issues. And I realize that's probably the way your mind works, having been absorbed in these matters for most of your life. But I think you should be carving out a niche in the domestic arena -- and not worry about whether you are highly educated in it initially. Democrats need to see more than a military man. And I don't know when I've read or heard you that "military man" isn't the first thing I think of.

Sorry for sounding so harsh, I have enormous respect for you but these are things that worry me in terms of your reaching a broader audience ultimately. I have been with you from Draft days (handed you a few flyers in L.A. this last year that I made and a book on a unique education program).

This President is apprehensible - period. He blew off the failures of his administration in handling the immediate aftermath of Huricane Katrina when lives and life could have been saved. He tries to fix all with with the tax money and compassion of the American people without asking the most able to sacrifice. Earlier this week he suspended the Davis-Bacon Act which guarantees that all government funded contractors pay the prevailing wage (about $9 hr.) in the region. Last night he proposed tax credits to companies creating jobs. Result: contractors make more, workers less. There will be PLENTY of jobs, no incentives needed.

We have heard promises before that were not realized. We promised much to Afghanistan that we have not followed through on. We were promised security at home and have found the people responsible incapable of handling a disaster - what of a terrorist attack? Peopl too easily accept Bush's words and then do not hold him to them down the line. Accountability is not in the nature of the dishonest and heartless so-called leaders of our nation. They do not know leadership, only slavish followings. Your clear and brief statements cut through the superficial nonsense and lay bare the emptiness of the rhetoric Bush and his cohorts spew out.

Exactly. Josh Marshal put it this way:

Then there's the president's great line from the speech: "It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces."

No, it's not. Actually, every actual fact that's surfaced in the last two weeks points to just the opposite conclusion. There was no lack of federal authority to handle the situation. There was faulty organization, poor coordination and incompetence.

Show me the instance where the federal government was prevented from doing anything that needed to be done because it lacked the requisite authority.

This is like what we were talking about a few days ago. This is how repressive governments operate -- mixing inefficiency with authoritarian tendencies.

You don't repair disorganized or incompetent government by granting it more power. You fix it by making it more organized and more competent. If conservatism can't grasp that point, what is it good for?

As for the military, same difference. The Army clearly has an important role to play in major domestic disasters. And they've been playing it in this case. But what broader role was required exactly?

It will be difficult to disentagle the issues of Iraq and Katrina, as you have warned us about, because Bush is handling both with the same incompetence and inefficiency. He will not and could not do the things that you would undertake. This leaves us in a mess at home and abroad with the profit-takers screwing us on both fronts.

Thanks, General, for your comments.

Glad to hear you bring up the small communities that were devastated by the hurricane and its aftermath....They tend to get lost in the shuffle with so much focus on the disaster in NO.

"...when politicians screw up it is the duty of the opposing party to point out to the people how badly they screwed it up so that the people don't make the same mistake in the future." Wes Clark Jr

He said he would give federal land away. I have to assume he's talking about national parks. Probably development of wetlands. And we know that wetlands are an essential buffer for hurricanes.

thoughtvessel, but B*sh on the other hand...

And does anyone think he's referring to giving land to any "just plain folks"?

Not a chance.

Expect a number of multi-billion $ companies to not only clean up on "rebuilding" while paying less than the prevailing wage to the peons, but to amass many acres for further exploitation...erm developement.

The neo-conservatives captured our government and have seized control. I can accept that. My concern is the carnage. How will humanity be effected by the psychological, human, and planetary carnage the neo-conservatives produce?

We are being conditioned to have split personalities. Our internal life is filled with frustration, helplessness, grief. While our external life shows no sign of distress and continues on as carnage is normal. Facts of their carnage are gone over and over again, and really we are just reiterating new facts, the result, however, is the same. Carnage. They are attempting to change humanity. Change who we are. The current state of our nation reflects the President’s internal self. Notice after being caught not caring he tried to explain away his callousness. George explained, it’s the federal government’s fault he takes responsibility for, the hurricane is not prejudice, the choppers didn’t choose what color they were taking off those roofs. Totally void of humanness. He is incapable of speaking from a human perspective. Consequently, we as a nation are losing our humanness. Sometimes, just doing the right thing, the human thing, is all that is necessary. But to this administration there needs to be a profit before they can act human.

June 17, 1852-What is threatened to-day is moral liberty, conscience, respect for the soul, the very nobility of man. To defend the soul, its interests, its rights, its dignity, is the most pressing duty for whoever sees the danger. What the writer, the teacher, the pastor, the philosopher, has to do, is to defend humanity in man. Man! the true man, the ideal man! Such should be their motto, their rallying cry. War to all that debases, diminishes, hinders, and degrades him; protection for all that fortifies, ennobles, and raises him. The test of every religious, political, or educational system, is the man which it forms. If a system injures the intelligence it is bad. If it injures the character it is vicious. If it injures the conscience it is criminal. -Amiel’s Journal

I accept your advice that a timeline for withdrawing the troops would endanger them and the Iraqis and would be destructive to the stability of that region and the rest of the world. I fully agree on your analysis of how terribly and delicately perilous transactions toward some sort of settlement leading to a rational withdrawal of our troops will be. I accept and believe all of that.

Still, when someone asks, as on TPM Cafe last night, what is wrong with saying, as Kevin Drum wants, by a certain date, in Drum's case December 2007, we will have either accomplished or not accomplished a reasonable amount of stability there, an environment in which we can leave behind a society with the threat of insurgency and terrorism abated, with civil, political, judicial, and economic challenges, if not met, at least steady on the way -- a society that is not in its vulnerability a dire threat to its neighbors and the rest of the world -- if we have clearly failed, in other words, in three years, five years, six years, we will leave Iraq to handle its fate. When someone poses this question, I find I am less equipped to fully answer than when the topic is a timeline or a near date certain.

So, I would appreciate very much if you devoted a blog to the issue of timelines and end dates, giving as in-depth a report as possible of your thinking. It's a wonderful thing that we Clarkies have your support in engaging in this important national discussion. We count on you for so much, sometimes I fear too much, but we do need a bit more guidance on so complicated a question as this. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Wes.

"It's time to protect our nation and take it forward. No party can do it better." - Gen. Wes Clark to Arkansas Democrats, 8/13/05

Bush never figures the cost of anything correctly. His figures are always too low. The cost of building material have gone up in a very big way and will continue to do so as we compete with China for them. I predict, the cost of rebuilding will be double the cost of what we spent in Iraq over the last three years. Economically we are fighting two major wars at the same time, Iraq and Katrina destruction.

As for pulling out of Iraq, if Gaza is any indication of how that will look, look out! The Palestinians pillaged the greenhouses that were given to them by US philanthropists to be able to generate much needed income. Egypt is letting militants and weaponry go across the border it shares with Gaza. Hamas is in control there. Neither Gaza or Iraq show any signs for stability long term or short term.

Boy, I could get used to this, General!

My reaction to last night's speech was PROVE IT! The time for giving this president the benefit of the doubt is over - and the American people have earned the right to be skeptical. Empty promises and meaningless rhetoric for political gain have characterized this administration from the very beginning - Case in point: No Child Left Behind, but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other examples, many which have been much more costly to the American people.

So, Mr. Bush, prove you're sincere - prove you're going to be and remain accountable - prove you're going to do everything you said you would do and more - and I don't mean just the end product - we want to hear on a regular basis what you're doing, how you're doing it, how it's helping the people it needs to help, what it's costing and how it's being paid for! Transparency is not your strong suit, Mr. Bush - so we, the American people will have to teach you!

The American people, our elected representatives and our media must be demanding - like I said, he has worn out his "benefit of the doubt" - in spades! Bush must be pushed to give us regular progress reports - once a month? - in the form of press conferences where members of the media AND the Katrina victims he says he's helping are encouraged and allowed to ask him direct, specific and uncensored questions, live on national television. No more screened audiences and pre-approved questions - Bush must be shown he has no right to secrecy - this is OUR GOVERNMENT, OUR COUNTRY - not his.

"Accountability first" must be the mantra. Trust will only come way down the line - and only when and if it's earned. No more deference to "those who must know better than we do" - they don't.

Hoping the Bush administration and the republican congress will do the right thing is, at this point, the height of naivete and, needless to say, no longer an acceptable reaction. Their feet must be held to the fire at every moment - and the media's feet must be placed over the same flame to make sure that this recovery is all done in the public eye where the administration's secret deals and fraudulent practices can be kept to a minimum.

I must admit I take particular pleasure in knowing, as Bill Maher said, that W will be stuck spending the rest of his presidency in the Bush family nightmare - helping poor people! Poetic justice!

Anyway, General, thanks so much for communicating with us - it's just the greatest thing to hear your take on everything on such a regular basis - hope you will keep doing it!

And, our thoughts will be with you today as you participate in the Global Initiative Conference.

According to BayouBuzz.com, the following Senators will be visiting LA, New Orleans, and the gulf coast area today. Why not "share some love" about this disaster with them:

U.S. Senate Majority Leader William H. Frist, M.D. (R-TN)

U.S. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)

Senator Max Baucus (D-MT)

Senator Thad Cochran (R-MS)

Senator Susan Collins (R-ME)

Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL)

Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY)

Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)

Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA)

Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT)

Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL)

Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)

Senator John Warner (R-VA)
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"In too many areas we have spawned 'leadership' that does not lead, that panders to our whims rather than telling us the truth, that follows the crowd rather than challenging us, that weakens us rather than strengthening us." - Sen. Paul Simon

because, let's be straightforward, the speech last night came from Karl Rove (the quintessential flim-flam ad man, non-elected, unbeholden to any constituents) in order to:

1. First and foremost, reconstruct B*'s deteriorating approval ratings, NOT rebuild N.O.

2. Signal all private-sector profiteers that the pork-barrel is full for the picking so come on down to the "Big Easy" for easy featherbedding contracts.

If you think B* performed miserably the first week after Katrina, sit back and watch how pathetic the recovery months/years will be under the likes of KKKarl Rove. . .good grief!. . . how does he qualify to be in charge of N.O. recovery?

It's bad enough to have Rove as the "virtual President" for speaking events. . .it's going to be disastrous to have him as director of N.O. Reconstruction. . .why that even sounds like we're back in 1866!

Republicans said Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, was in charge of the reconstruction effort, which reaches across many agencies of government and includes the direct involvement of Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development.

http://tinyurl.com/7z4re

So, Sir, I am very concerned about our nation being done in simultaneously by two quagmires. . .Iraq and N.O. Reconstruction a la Rove.

Why couldn't there be a RECALL option to rid of B* and Rove immediately because I don't see how we'll survive under them for 39 more months!

For Clarksanity in 2008

Let's face it gang. This is the man who underfunded NCLB, the Iraq War and many, many other things.

Mr. Bush's speech was just that. A speech.

When the next crisis comes along, New Orleans will lose the focus and money will not be flowing out of Congress for it.

the President says, "We are problem solvers!" I wish I could answer Mr President, you are the problem! No mention in his speech about rebuilding this area without recognizing the problems with global warming. It will just happen again. No mention of congressional abuse in spending our money. Pork projects were more important than protecting this city. No mention of getting the oil lines out and rebuilding the wetlands. No mention of increasing the contamination problem by dumping the water untreated into Lake Ponchetrain and the Oceans. This President just plans to pour money down a rathole better known as his cronies pockets!

Bush Rules Out Tax Increases to Pay for Hurricane Recovery

President Bush said that federal spending would have to be cut to help the Gulf Coast reconstruction effort...

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Fine. How about all the pork barrel projects your GOP pals put through in the congress. While were at it, let's cut your vacation as well.

Thank you General. I have long felt that one of the management tools missing in our country is a regional circle of management. My farming manuals indicate regional circles for different agricultural zones, most large businesses run on a matrix of regional management and Wall Street identifies economic activity by region. But we have no cultural and political regional circles of representation. This was an important issue of discussion at the Articles of Confederation. Would the small states be fairly represented or would they be ignored? Would the new states outside of the original colonies ever gather the status and influence to compete with New York or Virginia? The big states today, like California, New York and Texas, make up their own regions, but the small states and especially the poor ones, cannot compete with them in influence. The Gulf Coast states, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, share a common culture and are unique in their needs as is New England and the upper states of the South. Each forms a unique American region with its own identity and special needs and interests. Individually, the voices of Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama are but a whisper to the federal government, in part perhaps, because they contain large numbers of poor folks who can’t afford to attend $1000 a plate dinners to curry influence with political groups and politicians. But together these states should be able to register more influence. Foreign states like Israel and Taiwan have far more in influence in Washington than the Gulf Coast states and their lobby efforts bring them annual cash in the billions. Louisiana needs many things now and can count on the good will of the American people. For a long time it has needed a new levee, and some have estimated costs at $2.5 billion. That is not a lot of money. The Chinese are building “good will” projects like this to curry influence all throughout South East Asia, Africa and the Third World. What the Gulf States need more than money is leadership. What we are seeing in New Orleans is a failure of federalism. The Gulf Coast states need a regional strategy to represent their interests. My senator, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, has proposed a “Katrina Authority” that would create one overarching authority for the Gulf Coast region to act as a clearing house for federal funds and to coordinate efforts. I think it is a good idea.

Best, Bernie Quigley, Haverhill, NH