Dear Wes, You need a blog that WORKS for everyone...This ISN'T it!
Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on August 18, 2006 - 9:27am.
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Wes there are a number of us, your long time bloggers, who are trying desperately to hang on to the end of the woefully tattered and frayed rope attached to the vessel that is this current incarnation of CCN. It's not easy, it's not pleasant, it's not enjoyable, and it certainly isn't fun; but because we respect and admire you and want so badly to help with your mission we have continued to cling to the place we have so long considered our home base...your blog.
It’s a pretty blog now…bells, whistles, lots of color, pull down menus, some really great features, even greater series blogs and guest bloggers…everything that should make for a fantastic website.
But….Pretty alone doesn’t cut it. Not for a ship or for a website.
I got’ a tell you Wes, my fingers are bleeding; my hands are raw because of the death grip I've had on that rope. It's taken a while for me to face the fact that I'm clinging to a rope attached to an anchor...an anchor that is sinking the ship on which we're sailing.
I believe it was Jen that mentioned you said that you hadn’t been to the blog for a while when she saw you this past week. Well sir, there are many people who haven’t been here for a while. And many, who when they try to log in, get the message that IE has to shut down…sometimes 2 or 3 times in a row they get that message. We diehards may keep trying…how many others trying to access the site may not? We’ll never know will we?
Those of us who consistently have problems have been told “we’re working on it” and advised to “check our computers” at “X” website (it’s free), download different browsers, switch from dial-up to broadband or cable (not possible for some of us), and various and sundry other make do patch work type “fixes”. In other words…bail faster and use a different bucket.
We’re getting tired of bailing Wes. That has to be obvious to anyone who looks at the average number of posts per hour here at this CCN. It has to be obvious to anyone who once knew that here was where we’d find the latest breaking news being intelligently dissected, and now find we’re better off going to DKos or DU first if we want to discover the hottest topics of the morning.
There is no way we should have to advise people to change browsers or get broadband in order to participate in a reasonably comfortable manner at this site.
Should you make the decision to run for office in ’08 this CCN will not be a trustworthy vessel from which to launch.
Should you decide not to run, but to put your resources toward another candidate, this CCN will leave your efforts web wise floundering at dock side.
Fair or not, the efficiency of your website reflects on you, and in so doing reflects on your mission.
Well sir, I don’t like saying it but…THIS SHIP WON’T SAIL and something needs to be done to patch the holes.
Remember this Jen...
It is summer, people are busy, Clark is not running for anything (not yet), Clark is in many different media venues, people are also using other tools (other blogs, etc.) to organize, gather info, etc.
How does everyone here promote SecuringAmerica.com or SecuringAmerica.com/ccn ?
Thank you,
Kevin
It's been summer before, Wes hasn't been running for anything for a long time. Traffic here has dropped drastically...especially since this last CCN has gone up.
When you recommend people check out Wes' blog and they tell you they had a problem with accessing you know you're not alone.
Are we trying to do this on the cheap? I don't know. I do know something is not right and though I see new names showing up in the Who's online list fairly regularly it seems I'm not seeing them reappear very often.
The blog needs reworked or dumped...JMHO
with more page views and more users each month. The site and user stats are clear. The traffic is increasing.
Though you may not notice multiple returns of new users, rest assured, new users return.
Thanks for the info.
Am still worried about the incompatibility with IE though. Are we getting any closer to solving the problems?
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
All the bugs that relate directly to IE have been fixed. Well, except for Microsoft's exploding security patches, but that's something we can't do anything about.
See:
Microsoft patch can cause IE trouble
Microsoft's security update from Aug. 8 to Internet Explorer is causing browser trouble for some systems.
msbehavin & Ohio- neither of you are running Windows ME (Millenium Edition), are you? Because nothing on god's green earth can help that!!!!!
:) I just wish a fingersnap could make your tech issues go away! hate to see you struggling
"The problem affects IE 6 with Service Pack 1 on Windows XP"
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Of course, if people haven't applied SP 2 (how long how this one been out?), they've probably got other problems to worry about. Kind of like blaming Microsoft for the SQL Slammer worm from a few years ago when the patch to prevent the problem had been available for 7 months.
but then, we still have users with Windows 98.
It is NOT Window XP with Service Pack 1, it's IE 6 with Service Pack 1 -- there's a difference.
6.00.2600.0000 Internet Explorer 6 (Windows XP)
6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP SP1)
6.00.2900.2180 Internet Explorer 6 for Windows XP SP2
Not sure if the IE that comes with XP SP2 is considered "SP 1" or if the technical note was specifically for version 6.00.2800.xxxx. I just know I'm running IE 6.0.2900.2180 on XP SP2 and haven't seen the 'new problems'
You have Service Pack 1 for Internet Explorer 6.
6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1
XP is running with Service Pack 2, but IE is on Service Pack 1. It would be useful if they called one or the other something else (like Update 1), I can see how it can get confusing.
As the article noted, it only happens on 'some' sites (and only on 'some' Windows machines, apparently).
Increasing is being modest. Since we've relaunched with the new CCN, we've almost doubled our traffic to the combined CCN/Securing America site.
where his great op-eds and ClarkCasts can be found (which I do daily with diligence, btw)
fwiw, if I were only concerned about myself navigating here with ease, I would damned well download and install Firefox and be done with it.
But Kevin, CCN is where we need to grow Wes's community and this blog is not user-friendly for all too many of the 80% IE net-users.
It's that simple.
...but what about Iraq?
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
So the idea that 80% of the visitors to CCN are having trouble is just not true.
The tech team has finally pinpointed the problem that some users are having, but it's related to the way AOL and Earthlink work as ISPs.
It's a well-known issue and even with the tech team getting on the phone with AOL to try to find someway to work around AOL's Internet connection structure, nothing seems to have helped.
If anyone wants a description of the problem (though it may be too technical for some), I'll be happy to post that.
AOL or Earthlink, Syb?
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
Edit:
as Pam doesn't use AOL or Earthlink. (guessing E-L is Earthlink)
When I was in Ohio, I used my daughter's lap top which has IE. I didn't have any problems on CCN but I must admit the scrolling made me sea sick
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
It makes me sea-sick, as well. It's bothersome to the point where I don't hang around for very long. I just can't deal with it for more then 10 to 15 minutes at a go. Personally, I can't get a feel for what's going on here in that short a period of time. :(
Maybe it's less than 10 who have decided that enough is enough and are speaking out (again). Well, kiss off those "less than 10" bloggers and all will be well.
However, that's NOT THE WAY TO GROW THE GRASSROOTS/NETROOTS! imho.
Where is the accountability for this mess????
Oh, I forgot, it's those pesky "less than 10" bloggers. You bloggers better shape up, ya hear?
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
way to look at the parameters... when looking at numbers people having problems is to think if 10 people are sending bug reports ... how many people are not bothering to send bug reports.... 10x10 maybe 10 squared 10.... is more likely.... that is true for most things in life... if you are having 10 people voice their computer problems there are 10 x10 or more who are not voicing... the silent majority :-)
Based on bug reports filed I presume?
and/or the documentation of 'regulars' here on the General's Board?
...any figures on newcomers who gave it a shot and then opted out?
So the requisite for a workable blogging experience at CCN seems to be: dump your earthlink, your IE, your AOL, or any combination of the above? no matter how satisfactorily it serves you elsewhere? Kinda 'country club' isn't it? Is that what we want for Wes?
...but what about Iraq?
we've sent here to have them tell us...no thanks.
Just explain to me Kat...how is it THIS is the only place we poor deluded "10" have these problems? How is that? Magic? Goblins? Wrong hair styles?
Anything that might be related to this on our site???
"Just to make sure it wasn't the number of modules activated, I added a few others and found that the speed issue did not return, even with all other modules activated, so at this point, it appears that there is something about the "checklist" module that is causing the problem with IE."
From Aug 4, 2006 posting at:
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I'm usually not having problems with high speed Internet, high-end graphics card, etc...but there are times I get the 'chunky' scroll behavior here while not seeing it on any other site.
still can load pages and navigate other sites much faster than here.
Guess that puts me amongst the "unexplained" (cue Twilight Zone theme here)
Did you catch Defoliate's posts below (or above...whichever)?
are always going to be somewhat problematic...... especially very very slow internet connection speeds.
and minimizing the problems. Don't blame us, just fix the damned thing.
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
but have trouble loading mini threads from CCN.
So let's see...it's not an IE problem, those have all been fixed.
It's an AOL & Earthlink problem, unless you don't have either of those.
It's a dial up problem...it's a wrong color underwear problem...or maybe the wrong mouthwash.
You know, it seems the "problem" is always on our end...never on the site's end.
I was wrong wasn't I...what I said earlier wasn't my only snark for today.
I don't understand what you mean by "load the threads". But then, I don't speak computer too well.
To me, that always meant downloading a whole thread to go offline and read them offline and have them on file on one's hard drive.
Is that what you mean? Or, do you mean just coming onto the site and reading themessages online?
Not questioning here your usage of the phrase, it's just that I'd like to know what people who do speak computer usually mean when they say "load the threads".
Clearsky
When I say "load a page" I'm talking about the process of having a page show up so I can read the postings.
I regularly "load" 300/400/500 comment diaries at Kos (because they get that much traffic.
Yes, it takes some time because I am on dailup...but they load. Here if I try to load anything over 150 posts I get a blank page...no posts to read, just a blan white box with a grey right column.
Here it takes longer to load a 150 post thread than it will usually take for me to load a 300 post diary at Kos. Same holds true if I'm at DU or some of the other blogs I frequent.
Only HERE do I have these problems...my fault obviously!
As you may recall,(since I kept at it with ya'll), I was having terrible problems for the longest while, but a few weeks ago, they got fixed and I don't have them anymore.
Well, everything except the tiny too-small font, which everyone has to put up with, and the third column overlap, which I can fix now, but at the cost of tinier print,so I often put up with the column overlap.
Also, I'm on dial-up, and want to stay on it as I like being able to use my laptop anywhere there's a phone plug ---even when out by a pool, and it's no slower here than anywhere on the fastest message boards, etc. that I frequent, such as dailykos. tpm etc.
Except for the above, Everything's doin fine now, so it's not AOL or IE 6.0.
Thanks to you and to whoemver got some of it fixed. I thought they should know that it can't be AOL,they can rule that out, and that their efforts got the AOL part fixed. (and IE too, if it was even that at all.)
Clearsky
AOL and/or Earthlink and/or NetZero are fine with static pages.
It's the behavior of constantly refreshing pages when a AOL/etc user wants to see 'what's newly posted' that is the problem.
Every time you refresh the page, you have to force AOL, etc to refresh their server's cache as well as the cache on your own computer.
It's the way AOL, etc. has their technology set up.
Dialup users who get the advertised thruput (56K) shouldn't have too much trouble. Dialup users who get much less than they think they are ( 26K out of 56K they should be getting.... like one of the users on this thread) are going to have problems.
For those without technical knowledge, the early modems sold on the market (in 1993) were 28K modems. This particular user's internet connection is even slower than what was available in 1993.
for those of you who might be interested.
I live in the boonies and slow dialup is all that is available even if I could afford anything else...26.4...slooooooow.
I'm used to slooooow.
But gee...it works fine (though slooooooowly) every place I go but here.
So you see...it is my fault.
Too many people have had the probs, and I had them forever, and
if you were the only one, that would be different, but still problably not your fault.
It's finding out what works or worked for people with similar problems that's the thing of it.
One thing I can suggest, for absolute sure, NEVER, EVER log OUT.
Once you log in, never log out, just go. Chances are, next time that you come back here, it won't ask you to log in. If it does, when you're through that time, DON'T LOG OUT.
That has helped more people than anything. If you will,let us know what happens.
Clearsky
Never have.
The site logs me out sometimes when it goes down. Those are the only times I've ever had to log back in.
I was beginning to think I'd stepped in it big time by posting this. Not that I would change a word of it, but it's nice to know I'm not being tossed overboard LOL.
It's just gone beyond frustrating for me. And I do think it's going to hurt Wes...has already hurt him.
I just can't understand why something hasn't been accomplished after all this time. I mean come on...as I type this I look over to the left (don't use arrow type things here...it wipes out anything you type after that it seems) and there have been all of 10 comments in the past hour. 10 comments!
I have no problem with how the site loads or how it works. I also have broadband and I only use Firefox... but.. My main complaint is how "busy" the front page is. You eyes are drawn all over the place but not really to any one place. You need to concentrate and really look at where you want to go... especially after a long day of work.
My thoughts.. I am sure I have more. :)
Kevin
I'm on cable, tho an old Windows 98 OS and sometimes it just easier to close the site! Perhaps they'll hear you and Jen! I, too, will be glad to find some extra nickels if that's the problem.
Win with Wes in '08
No appreciable improvement noted since launch of this site. Front page is too busy, it should be more streamlined. Overlapping columns, scrolling remains a nightmare...I've resorted to using the page up and page down buttons because its a liitle bit faster, but not much.
I visit CNN as long as I can STAND IT and that's because I'm an old-timer. If I were a new visitor and had these problems I would not come back.
I could say a whole lot more, but I guess I'll shut up (for now). :X
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
...since I use Firefox, but I know that IE people have been complaining for months and lets face it....it's an IE world.
Also, I don't use "tiny mice" ;)
The only complaint I have is that I am still taken to the bottom/top of the thread in GD when I click on "new comments".
I hope your post does some good, Pam. If we do get busy in the future, I fear the site won't be able to handle it and just conk out.
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
of switching to Drupal is to handle the increased traffic.
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
I thought it was because our version of Scoop was crashing on a regular basis and sometimes down for a week or more.
I understood Drupal to be more stable and cheaper to maintain than Scoop (kos has multiple servers and needs more)
Of course I could be wrong.
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
It seems all it's done is decrease traffic.
I don't like that I'm spending more time at Kos than here. I don't like that I'm hesitant any more to point people to this site because I'm afraid I'll hear they find it too clunky to bother.
I don't like thinking about all the scorn that was thrown at Joementum's people when they claimed Lamont hacked their site only to discover that Joey was only willing to shell out $15 a month for a host, and how people may think the same type of thing is the problem here.
Sigh...broken record.
Over the past several months, I've seen discussions in the Drupal developer community that make it quite clear that they really don't care about any compatiblity with IE.
Here's an interesting read:
There's actually a new module out there in the Drupal source code that promotes monetary incentive for creating problems with IE.
Interesting read at:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html
Example excerpt:
Myth - "Firefox is Secure"
Reality - Firefox is anything but Secure with multiple unpatched vulnerabilities allowing exposure of sensitive data to local users. You only need one vulnerability to be insecure. Since Firefox v1.x was released, users have been exposed to over 125 security vulnerabilities and counting
...just not big enough for most hackers to bother with.
IE = more bang for their buck.
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
first I believe not system is secure .. and here is what I measure that statement against... have you ever read industry newsletter for financial industry and their computer sytems... they have to have security and their security is being hacked all the time... they have incredible encrypted security and change it all the time...read up on encryption for the financial industry computers... and they can't get secure... so you think firefox claims they are secure is disappointing or an outright lie... it depends upon what you mean by the word 'secure' BTW it is very interesting perspective to read about computer encryption security systems for the financial world... an eye opener on our computer driven world ... another eye opener is google the routing roots for all computer traffic... I have not done that for a long time... and I can't recall the search term I used or the URL that got me there but.... looking at the entire routing system for US to international traffic was possible a number of years ago I bumped into it as I was researching other things... gives you perspective...
but the point is ... secure.... come on .... nothing on computers is secure... and when it gets down to financial traffic or government sensitive info .... all you have to do is read the reports ... plenty of leaks and hacking and open doors that OOPS happen... so please don't say secure and computer in the same sentence... it doesn't exist.....
Now isn't that a kick in the pants.
Point to ponder...will it get better or worse?
Looks like Drupal is hoping for worse.
There may be some who are under the false impression that Drupal is a company that writes software. It is not.
Drupal is software that is written by a community of volunteer tech people -- (it's what 'open source' means) so that the software is not 'owned' by any one person or group or company.
So Drupal isn't pro-or- anti IE any more than the individual members of the Drupal community are pro- or anti- Microsoft.
I think you'd find most of these volunteers work on Microsoft products in their 'day' jobs and know the ins and outs, frustrations and aggravations better than anyone.
Like you said, Drupal is a community of people and these people have expressed their feelings about IE, Microsoft, etc.. very clearly in various online forums.
Some of these open-source projects (not necessarily Drupal) have been staffed significantly with employees from Sun, IBM and HP with encouragement (and pay) from their employers if the employers feel that such product development is in their interest
I think you will find the vast majority of Drupal volunteers are signicantly in the LAMP (Linux-Apache-mySQL-PHP) camp as far as products they use in their 'day' jobs (excluding Office products like Word/Excel which almost everyone uses as a default).
are dissatisfied with the quirks, bugs and just poor coding that IE is built on, tech people know they have to live with it.
If the tech-heads vent, consider it similar to us venting about how the Republicans are running the country. At least we get a chance every couple of years to do something about it.
When I hit refresh, I'm taken to the last comment instead of the first "new" comment.
Like I said...trivial, compared to what IE people are going through but annoying none the less. ;)
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
If you want the unfiltered info about the problems/concerns of CCN, you need to talk to a blogger. Ya'll should have my number (its local).
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
I changed to Firefox, and that usually works pretty well except for overlapped columns. However when the site was busier (night of the Lamont-Lieberman primary) I experienced continuing problems with trying to refresh--it took so long that I got thrown off the internet and I'm on DSL.
And I don't think people should have to change browsers.
knocking little old ladies off their IE browsers is akin to knocking their walkers out from under them :)
...but what about Iraq?
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
[ disclaimer I am not a computer person at all - working with the CONCEPT not the processes to discuss here ]
Lamont-Lieberman I was using IE ( I have firefox too) and I only got tossed once I was going in and out of CCN to pick up info all night coming back to post and read....
since then I have not opted to take an IE update... I'll do it when I want to deal with the compatibility and setting changes I have to make AFTA the update ( the last few days in IE I was bounced off the site mulitple times and I have DSL) BUT I did just take a firefox update and it is working well with CCN ...... no problems so far
SO this is a guess... but hasn't the newer computer ( I have had several types of Mac and several types of PC over the years ) have more capacity for -- compatabilty -- WIZARDS feature -- when there are setting changes ( fact check me is this actually what happens to the computer ) the Wizard makes the setting changes SEAMLESS.... and integrates updates with your software almost seamlessly .... to make the connection
and that is what is different in the variations we all bring to CCN -- NOT the operating systems as the main problem --- but older/ newer compatibilty capacity in the variety and range of computers the public has......to DRUPAL ability to deal with that!!!
is that possibly what is missing in the Drupal service... it does not work with the RANGE of all those different systems --the WIZARDS ( or whatever your system calls the process ) that makes the softwares work together - connect well
we are not getting good connection with the host site because the host site MAY NOT HAVE a broad enough platform to handle that variety in various computers... there is IE and there is FIREFOX the two biggys.... that is not really the problem it is the immense variety of utility programs that make software compatible at different setting connections... and DRUPAL MAY NOT recognize and work with all those varieties.... ??????
Is that a good rough guess????
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
happens more of the stuff you are reporting that Drupal is trying to ingore or undermine IE will happen ... they all will be competing and they will use stealth to undermine their competitors... it will get really ugly ..... remember when Cable service became television experience... has it gotten better 500 channels of mostly junk that you pay thru the nose for and can't find the right package of things you want so you get the one package that has some of the things you want and then you pay for a whole lot of other stuff you never use... as in software... do you use all the features of every software program you have purchased... odds are like most people you don't but you paid for it and mostly those features are not supported with cs or manuals posting that anybody but computer people can understand .... you can't get updates or you must purchase something new to get it all to work together and all the features go by the wayside though you paid for them... remember all the disks you use to have .... all the CD for computer you have now.... go back to your oldest one is there anything there worth taking the time to sort thru unless you are a computer person not just a computer user...........?
Spitzer 06 is a great model, I'm tellin' you. And Patrick Murphy's site is also interesting.
A community, and holding one together- is NOT the same as running a website.
The content here is so wonderful & so complex. So are the people. I think "the problem" is an embarrasment of riches, in a way.
But it is very true that Wes is expected to be avant garde in the innovative use of web technologies.
The fundraising people need to - ? - whatever they need to do to make certain Wes has the financial tools he needs to get his mission(s) accomplished.
Also- Larry. I just can't tell you how much I appreciate what you do here!!! The core tech choice is maybe problematic but you are constantly refreshing the content, etc. & do a superb job.
The functionality is the problem. No one is going to look at the content if they can't get there.
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
is part of the problem, I don't know.
What I do know is that even some of the little things that people have brought up are yet to be addressed.
Like having to compose a blog entry on a text editor program because if you try to type directly into the CCN block your words run under the right column and you have no idea if what you're typing is what you think you're typing.
Like not being able to enlarge the font size (which we could do before on the previous Drupal) so you don't have to squint to read.
These are small things from this side of the screen...I haven't a clue how big they are to fix as that's not my field of expertise, but from the blogger's perspective they're irritating as hell and it seems nothing is being done to relieve the irritation. (Please note...I'm not saying nothing is being tried, only that it SEEMS as if nothing is being done)
The Clark community has been one of the strongest and sharpest from day one. The lack of postings, the lack of traffic indicates to me that we are loosing our edge through no fault of our own.
I do too Moon.
Remember when CCN was written up as one of the BEST campaign blogs going?
Where did we go wrong LOL?
because that's not my goal at all.
Maybe I'm wrong in feeling that Wes' site should be on par with Wes' amazing capabilities of communicating his vision. I don't feel I'm wrong, but God knows I've been wrong once or twice (heh) in my life.
Only the tech people know what this set up is capable of. Only the tech people know if this site can be made to work in an IE/dialup world as well as working in a high speed/Firefox (or whatever) world.
I am asking this though...if it can't be made to perform equally as well for IE users as for those on other browser types would someone please have the fortitude to stand up tall and just say so. And then have the insight to honestly discuss whether keeping what we have because it's what we decided on and poured so much time into, is really worth the chance of loosing the IE users who aren't going to bother fighting through the mess to spend time here?
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
too Moon.. Murphy site is exceptional... who is their host?? :-)
The problems (many) I have had here only happen here at CCN. Many of us have said this time and again.
We all want this new website to be the best for Wes, but as one of my friends who couldn't use CCN said to me, "that dog don't hunt and I'll come back when it does."
I think many of us fear that we've lost some old dear friends ... we know who they are. Important as well, how many newbies have tried to come and left because they don't have the time to fight with the problems?
We all love this place. There isn't one of us that wants CCN to fail. All of us have been more than patient and always extend our thanks to those who have worked consistently to design and introduce the new site, but I think patience is running out.
Because we have tried to help with offering what our specific problems are, do we begin to sound like complainers?. That was never the intention, we just wanted to offer what we know to be problems so the technicians can understand specifically what needs fixing.
I agree as well that the Front Page needs redesigning.
In my humble opinion, this has taken way too long and as Maddy has said, "it's an IE world."
How long do you ask nicely before it's time to stand up and YELL?
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
ok, as nicely as I can...contrary to the belief of some I really don't have the nastiest tongue here. Or maybe I should say, I haven't unleashed it to date? LOL
you're being too modest.
LOL
This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.....Molly Ivins
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
MISDIRECTED MOSTLY
Guess I have to add my two cents even though I hardly ever write. I have DSL and use IE.(no AOL, Earthlink, or Netzero) I have problems scrolling---very shakey and slower than with other sites. Also, get kicked off alot. Also, there is a long pause before the CCN page shows up on my screen. I have absolutely no problems with other sites and have found myself over at Kos more and more. I contribute to WesPac monthly, have signed up to help on the Arkansas campaigns, and have been a reader here for a long time. So, yes, I think the problem goes way beyond just 10 or so people. You just don't hear from them. It's also too intimidating to try and do a blog entry.
A possible reason for the difficulty with the CCN page may be all the bells and whistles like boxes, blue color, two sets of big four stars, colored fonts etc. And that doesn't include the page having to load up all of the stuff on the side columns. I do ebay sales sometimes and one thing I read in researching the best way to do auctions was not to overdo your auction page with borders, fancy text, decorations etc. That it would make it too slow to load for some buyers/lookers to view the page. If you look at the Kos threads they are clean and crisp, no boxes, colors, or side columns etc. Just some thoughts.....
Condoms: a woman should never have to ask permission from her partner to save her own life - www.GatesFoundation.org
new site can't use preview - it is really disfunctional... in IE haven't tried it in firefox
I think the point need to be made that there may be many more people who don't speak up than those who do.
People who sign up for an account, post a few times, or just lurk, have multiple problems just go somewhere else. My friend e -- slow dial up connection, IE, wanted to join the community, posted a few times one night, and got booted off and couldn't get back. Being a newbie, he would not post here that he was having problems -- he emailed me about it and hasn't been back.
Once in a while you get shown the light, In the strangest of places if you look at it right. - Hunter/Garcia
I guess it's me, it's Sybil, it's Ohio, it's jen, it's Msbehavin...it's never the site's fault. I guess I need to be held accountable. If I save up for other than dialup, switch my ISP, and download another browser, will that do it? (only the shadow knows) :/
"Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words."
I wish the people who have been trying to fix the problems would tell us if it's a money thing, because I know I would gladly donate to pay someone who could fix it and get it running smoothly, consistently, and professionally.
I know we've lost many and I guess we may never know why in every case, but just in my own little world, my friend e signed up for an account the other day, was able to post twice, then got booted off and couldn't get back on.
He's on a slowwwww dial-up connection, and uses IE. Same as many, who are likely experiencing the same thing.
Seriously, sometimes one has to wonder if there is some ulterior motive for not getting this site fixed. I've never experienced this anywhere else, and I visit many many blogs, as have many of us.
How many of us left would be willing to chip in and hire someone who could straighten out the bugs?
Me, me, me!! I would!