E85 LOOPHOLE Another Perfect Example of Whom this Administration is Working For


I'm sure a few of you (maybe all) have read this. It's just another perfect example how this administration is working for the corporations and not the people. According to this, E85 is actually does more harm that good.

According to a gentleman who works at Toyota [he came up to me because he saw the Clark sticker on my car =)] the Prius shipped straight from Japan, before any modifications are done so it may be registered here in CA, can get up to 90 mpg. Why do our restriction take it back down to 55-60mpg? Well that's a pretty obvious answer. [I wish I would have asked that gentleman for more information about the Prius. I was just too suprised and shocked when he told me this, that I didn't even have the state of mind to follow up on asking him more questions about that. For now you'll just have to take this for what it is. Sorry about that =)]

Flex-Fuel Fallacy
By ERIC PETERS

The sticker looks mighty tempting -- a full-size, seven-passenger SUV with a V-8 engine rated at a hybrid-like 33 mpg!

Too bad it's a sham.

Unfortunately, the shuck and jive isn't well-known, or apparent to consumers -- who might be gulled into believing they're helping cut down on energy consumption (and saving the planet to boot) when in fact all they're doing is supporting the latest government boondoggle for the benefit of the politically powerful ethanol lobby.

Here's how it works:

Under the cover of promoting "renewable" energy, the federal government has put into place a loophole in its Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) requirements -- which require the automakers to achieve a "fleet average" of 27.5 mpg for cars and 21.5 mpg for trucks or face so-called "gas-guzzler" taxes that are passed on to the consumer. This loophole distorts the truth about a vehicle's actual mileage capability -- but only if it's a vehicle made to run on either gasoline or a gasoline-ethanol blend known as E85.

Such "flex fuel" vehicles are credited with much higher miles-per-gallon capability than they actually get -- on the theory that when they burn E85 (which contains 85 percent corn alcohol and 15 percent gasoline) they are using less gas. Thus, a full-size, V-8 powered SUV like the GMC Yukon is rated at 33 mpg for CAFE purposes -- higher than the current passenger car CAFE minimum of 27.5 mpg -- when in fact it only gets 15 mpg in city driving and 20 mpg on the highway, according to the EPA (which is just below the 21.5 mpg minimum mileage for trucks and SUVS under current CAFE rules).

The E85 Yukon and vehicles like it get even lower mileage when running on fuels containing large concentrations of ethanol -- since alcohol-based fuels contain less energy per gallon equivalent than straight gasoline.

As a result of this loophole, GM, Ford and other automakers have been given a strong incentive to build large numbers of E85-burning "flex-fuel" vehicles -- vehicles which might not make the CAFE cut otherwise and thus be less economic to produce because of "gas guzzler" taxes that jack up the price of a given vehicle by as much as $1,000 or more.

But the idea is to create market demand for the heavily-subsidized ethanol industry -- not produce more fuel-efficient vehicles. According to a NY Times piece by Thomas Friedman, the E85/CAFE loophole "increased U.S. oil consumption by 80,000 barrels per day in 2005 alone." GM has built some 2 million flex-fuel vehicles -- many of them large trucks and SUVs that would otherwise be subject to gas-guzzler fines, absent the clever accounting tricks.

The ethanol lobby has also been aggressively pushing its product on the supply end -- via a proposal that's been floated in Washington to require E85/ethanol pumps be installed at service stations -- in effect, forcing oil companies to subsidize the product of a direct competitor. (And of a product that is itself already heavily subsidized on multiple levels.) Stations would have to invest in new tanks/pumps and so on -- much if not all of it on their own nickel.

It would be the equivalent of mandating that McDonalds sell Wendy's burgers -- or that Ford dealers set aside a portion of their new car lot to sell GM vehicles. Pretty nutty, And that's at odds with basic principles of a free market. Why should gas stations (or anyone else) be compelled to sell a product they might not want to? In particular, one that is produced by a rival industry which already benefits from generous government protection?

This, however, seems to be the only way the ethanol lobby can do business in this country -- a consequence of the fact that E85 costs a relative fortune to make, uses oil in its production (everything from the petroleum-sourced fertilizers used to grow the corn to the plants, trucks and other infrastructure involved) and contains less energy per gallon equivalent than still-cheaper regular unleaded. These factors have rendered it a tough sell on the free market.

But the free market is not what the ethanol lobby is interested in.

E85 may have a role to play in reducing this country's dependence upon foreign oil. But it shouldn't be oversold, let alone forced down our throats -- or given special loopholes that encourage circular results such as the production of large numbers of especially fuel-inefficient vehicles like "flex fuel" SUVs and pick-ups.

GM's Vice President of Global Communications, Steven J. Harris, says that "we can significantly reduce the amount of oil we use right now" by driving E85/flex-fuel vehicles -- but such Enron-esque fuzzy math CAFE accounting doesn't take into account all the oil and energy that's burned up along the way.

Whether it's burned up in our tanks -- or burned up to get our tanks full -- the end result is the same.

Submitted by James Mitchem on August 25, 2006 - 8:49am.

and the American consumer is still hit with the same sticker shock when they fill up.

Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on August 25, 2006 - 8:52am.

Much information to digest.

Thanks JMora.

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Submitted by PAforClark on August 25, 2006 - 9:44am.

The Prius is shipped from Japan having been built to California state requirements. There are no modifications made to the vehicle when it gets to the US.

Drivers in Japan have the choice of having another "button" in their Prius that allows them to run it only as an Electric Vehicle. That is a modification and does increase gas mileage.

There are owners in the US who have had the modification made, but currently it voids the manufacturer's warranty. Why it isn't an option in the US, I don't know.


Blue State of Mind


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Submitted by LJM on August 25, 2006 - 2:28pm.

The warranty on the electrical system in my Prius was for 8 years. Perhaps if you run them on electric only they wear out faster. They are expensive to replace. I had something happen to one of the main batteries in my car a couple years ago and Toyota replaced it under the warranty. I was told it would have been very expensive if I'd had to do it.


Submitted by shortie on August 25, 2006 - 4:37pm.

I'm having trouble with my batteries in my Insight right now. I think that's what it is. I can't get it to the dealer til Monday.

Submitted by JMora on August 25, 2006 - 3:14pm.

I'm not sure excatly what 'modifications' the guy from Toyota I spoke with was referring to.

He pretty much told me off the truck it got 90 mpg. Maybe he was referring to a car Toyota shipped over to his dealership from Japan (with Japanese specs) that was never meant to be sold in the U.S, but was meant to be just a test car or something along those lines.

Submitted by taters on August 25, 2006 - 10:01am.

and why do European/overseas versions of American cars, Dutch Ford for example - get substantially better mileage than their US counterparts....

"Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants."

Gen. Omar Bradley

Submitted by CentralMass on August 25, 2006 - 11:43am.

The oil companies an brokers have found the optimal profit vs pain at the pump level. The midterm election is coming up and miraculousely oil levels are increasing and prices at the pump are dropping despite no obviouse end insight to the troubles in the mideast that supposedly caused the price increase. It will give them a chance to let detroit dump some of their big V8 vehicles. The nothern states will get scrwed on heating oil prices as they make their seasonal gouging switch.

The only way to change things is for everyone to purchase the most fuel efficent vehicles that fit their needs and budgets.

Submitted by kevin22262 on August 26, 2006 - 12:05am.

KPL and not MPG

K= kilometers
L= liters

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Submitted by Reg NYC on August 25, 2006 - 10:35am.

Word needs to get out.


Submitted by CentralMass on August 25, 2006 - 11:26am.

I've read that becuase it has less energy content, it takes around 23% more ethanol to travel as far as the equivalent amount of gasoline. I think around 1.5 gallons of ethanol = 1 gallon of gas. So those big V8 Gm's that claim 15/21 get something like 11/15 on E85 (85% ethanol). I challenge you to try and get the claimed mpg's while driving an SUV anyway.
Ethanol is good but we are a long way away from being able to produce enough of it. A properly designed hybrid power plant, even in an SUV sized vehicle, could inprove on that efficiency considerably.

Biodiesel, though it has it's own challeges like gelling in freezing weather is actual a better choice. It hass almost a 1:1 for energy content with petroleum diesel and diesel engines produce around 40% more horsepower then an equivlent sized gasoline engines. Diesel hybrid power plants in vehicles and increased investment in bio-diesel production seem like the way to go. Bio-diesl can also be burned in oil buring furnaces.

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Submitted by PAforClark on August 25, 2006 - 3:58pm.

I've read this too - that ethanol burns less efficiently. We made the switch to ethanol from MTBE this spring in Pennsylvania and I was surprised when my Prius started getting 2 to 3 more MPG than before the switch. I was prepared for a drop. So now instead of 50-52 MPG around town, I've been getting 52-55. I'll take it.

I was also reading somewhere that MPG in different countries are measured differently, so I'm not sure we aren't comparing apples and oranges when we compare US MPG to Japanese MPG.


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Submitted by okcitykid on August 25, 2006 - 4:32pm.

As the world population grows, Ethanol becomes impractical, either we eat or drive.


Submitted by Nelsons on August 25, 2006 - 8:44pm.

fuel consumption has not decreased in spite of the high prices.

I can only imagine the oil company executives in their board rooms kicking themselves for not having raised the prices sooner.

Proud to be an American.

Submitted by kevin22262 on August 26, 2006 - 12:01am.

Do you have links and other things to back up all of what you say? Including the bit about a Prius getting 90? Usually a car has to burn cleaner in CA, so what is "not done" to the Prius that comes from Japan that lets it be OK in CA.

Please give us more info on all of this.

Thank you,

Kevin

Submitted by JMora on August 26, 2006 - 2:19pm.

As far as the article goes, here is the link to where I found it:

http://autos.aol.com/article/hybrid/hub/_a/flex-fuel-fallacy/20060815133309990001

I wish I would have asked that gentleman for more information about the Prius. I was just too suprised and shocked when he told me this, that I didn't even have the state of mind to follow up on asking him more questions about that. For now you'll just have to take this for what it is. Sorry about that.

Submitted by senatorstackhouse on August 26, 2006 - 2:43pm.

and here we thought the oil barrons was be nice and E85 was going to be the bomb

Submitted by orlandoforclark on August 27, 2006 - 12:48am.

E85 is the bomb. If I get the gist of the post its that because the flex-fuel vehicles have the ability to run on ethanol fuel they get a credit for better MPG thereby allowing the car companies (mainly US) to meet CAFE standards while producing even more SUVs. They get the credit even if the owner of the flex fuel vehicle burns gasoline. I bet a lot of them would buy E85 if it were A. Competitively priced with Gasoline and B. Actually available. Here in Florida there are 2 (yes two) E85 pumps and their both in secure area of airforce bases, therefore we the public cant use them. If the public could buy E85 they would.

Diesel Hybrids are the way to go.

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