General Clark at Brown, 11/27/06


'Prior to speaking in Salomon 101 Monday night, Gen. Wesley Clark (Ret.) spoke to The Herald about reinstating the draft, the conflict in Iraq and his presidential aspirations.

Herald: Do you support reinstating the military draft?
Clark: No. I like the principle of people feeling an obligation to serve their country, but I don't support reinstating the draft unless it becomes a matter of absolute necessity for the survival of the country. … At the present time I don't see that. I don't rule out the possibility that, at some point, it might become necessary, but I don't see that necessity now.

On Monday, NBC News called the conflict in Iraq a "civil war." Do you agree with that assessment?
Yes.

You have said you oppose setting a timetable for American troop withdrawal from Iraq.
I oppose Washington setting a Washington-driven timetable.

Do you support an increase in American troop levels?
Not per se, but what I do support is a full kit bag of carrots and sticks when and if we send a negotiating team into the Middle East to work these issues.

If Washington doesn't set a deadline for troop withdrawal, what incentive does Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki have to develop a legitimate military force?
Well, let me answer that question with another question: Do you think al-Maliki right now is happy in his position in Iraq? Do you think he feels comfortable and secure knowing that there are Americans there? Do you think he believes that he can just cruise on this way and earn a fat pension as a retired head of state? I don't. I think al-Maliki knows that he's on a wild ride on a bucking bronco. And whether America sets a deadline or not, he knows the current situation is unsustainable. The question is, can anyone pull together enough common interests among the Iraqi politicians and the neighboring countries to dampen the fight and to give people a reason to work together rather than to work against each other?

You've suggested that the United States engage Iran and Syria in a dialogue with Iraq. How will the involvement of those two fundamentalist countries facilitate the development of democracy in Iraq?
Well, you have to be careful what you're trying to achieve in Iraq. I think what we're looking for in Iraq is three things - first, an end to the violence; secondly, a government of some type that more or less meets the needs of the people in Iraq; and third, a country that doesn't become a threat to its neighbors, either explicitly or by virtue of its own internal conditions. The idea that you could impose and inject certain democratic ideas into the Middle East with a Judeo-Christian army - it was probably a loser from the beginning. But no matter how slim the chance to succeed was, there was probably always a certain chance that it could have been successful. But with the policies of the (Bush) administration, there's no chance in the near term that we're going to get anything like a Jeffersonian democracy out of Iraq. I think to seek that as the aim is to be unrealistic and to seek a goal that we can't possibly afford.

How likely is it that you'll run for president in 2008?
I haven't said I won't run.

If you do run, how will your campaign differ from your 2004 campaign?
In virtually every respect.

Why do you think you were unsuccessful in winning the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004?
Because I got in too late. Because I had no political experience. Because I had no money prior to the time I announced, and because I had no staff. Other than that I was a pretty good candidate.

What political experience have you gained since then?
Hundreds and hundreds of visits around the country with various groups. I campaigned for, I think, 86 candidates in 26 states in 2006. I was John Kerry's number one surrogate other than John Edwards in 2004. I raised more than half a million dollars directly for John (Kerry) plus represented him, especially during the final three or four weeks, all through the West.

Do you think that if you run for president, the 2001 speech you delivered at a Republican Party fundraiser in Pulaski County, Ariz., will come back to haunt you?
Why should it? That's just part of the freak show. If you read that speech, you'll see that what I actually do is criticize the directions of the policies of the (Bush) administration. All I did was put a little honey on it by complimenting Colin Powell and some of the people who were in the administration a couple of months after the administration took office. But I never complimented George Bush.

Didn't you also compliment Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush?
I think they should be complimented. I think they did some good things. Most of our presidents have done some good things.

What advice do you have for college students seeking careers in public service?
Have a dream and have the courage to follow it.'

http://www.browndailyherald.com/media/storage/paper472/news/2006/11/28/CampusNews/Q.A-With.Clark.i.Havent.Said.I.Wont.Run.For.President-2509968.shtml?norewrite200611280609&sourcedomain=www.browndailyherald.com

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'The United States should practice "golden rules of behavior" when mitigating world conflicts because its international preeminence is dwindling, retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark told a crowded Salomon 101 Monday evening.

In a speech sponsored by the Brown Lecture Board, the former NATO commander, who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic nomination for president in 2004, said the United States should set a precedent for conflict resolution by using military force "only as a last resort" and set an example of diplomacy by facilitating dialogue among Iran, Syria and Iraq to help resolve conflict in that region. He warned that China may soon trump America's superpower status.

Clark called China "the one country that has the scale and energy to challenge America's freedom of action in the world" and encouraged the United States to bolster its ties with allies by strengthening relations with Europe and supporting the United Nations.

"Imagine how you're going to feel in 2020 when there's still scuttling along the border of Mexico, and China says to the United States … 'Would it help you if we deploy a couple of Chinese aircraft carriers off the coast of, say, San Diego and Tijuana?'" Clark said. "What are the rules that we as a preeminent power ought to establish now so that 20 years from now we're not on the receiving end of Chinese exceptionalism?"

The retired general said U.S. foreign policy lost its sense of direction after the Cold War, when the United States could no longer focus its international strategy on curbing the Soviet Union's power.

Lamenting the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq with a plan that "passed for a strategy of prevention when it was no strategy at all," Clark encouraged the United States to include Iran and Syria in the Iraq rebuilding process, as Iraq "spirals deeper into civil war and failure."

"We don't have a success strategy or an exit strategy," he said.

Similarly, he said, military efforts in Afghanistan have been coupled with too little diplomacy. He said Afghan President "Hamid Karzai is sinking because the economy is … living off opium production" and the Taliban has re-emerged in the country.

Continued...

You can lose Afghanistan militarily. You cannot win it militarily," he said.

Nonetheless, Clark said he does not support setting a timetable for American troop withdrawal from the region.

Clark told The Herald he doubted the Bush administration would make serious diplomatic gestures toward Iran and Syria because "powerful forces in the White House want forceful regime change" in those countries. In his speech, he suggested that Vice President Dick Cheney is such a force.

Clark opened his lecture by recalling a 1974 visit to Brown during which he heard then-Congressman Les Aspin of Wisconsin speak about the recently ended Vietnam War. Aspin addressed Clark and four cadets, who were the only audience members in military uniform, telling them, "We've learned our lesson from Vietnam and we won't do it again."

"He was wrong," Clark said Monday night. "Sometimes you can learn from history. Sometimes we don't."

The 2004 Democratic presidential candidate said he has not yet decided whether he will seek the Democratic Party's nomination for president in 2008. He said Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., were Democratic frontrunners, and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani topped the Republican presidential shortlist.

In response to a question from an audience member who identified himself as an openly gay former soldier, Clark said he believes homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the U.S. military.

"I think every American who has a desire to serve should have an opportunity to do so," he said.

After his talk, Clark briefly addressed Brown's curriculum, telling the throng of students who were waiting to shake the former United States Military Academy professor's hand: "It's twice as hard to learn liberal arts … as it is to sit down with a calculus book."

Students told The Herald after Clark's speech that they enjoyed his lecture.

"I think he had a lot of really solid points," said Charlie Kenney '10. "It's interesting that an ex-military man is such a strong advocate of diplomacy."

Brett McCrae '09 was surprised by Clark's comments about China. "What he said about what the U.S. is doing now setting a precedent for China ought to be given thought by the government," he said.

Monica Rosenberg '10 said she found Clark likable but questioned the feasibility of some of his proposals.

"He talked a lot about theory, and there are a lot of complications that make things less clear-cut," she said. "He seemed a little idealistic."'

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Submitted by westcott on November 28, 2006 - 7:13am.

I called dibs on janitor at the White House! I called it!


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 7:23am.

but I DO NOT DO WINDOWS OR DUSTPAN!!!

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Submitted by westcott on November 28, 2006 - 7:28am.

I thought it was the guy that went to all of the gala events and tested all of the food and wines for the President! I'm gonna have to look a little more closely at this thing.

OK Then I call Ambassador to Tahiti! Called it!!!


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 7:48am.

Tahiti, eh? Well, I'll have to think about that!

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Submitted by westcott on November 28, 2006 - 7:53am.

it's not like they have nukes or anything! Worst case is we invade Bora Bora and put them under my iron fist as the Tahitians bow to my greatness! :)


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 7:55am.

Methinks someone doth protest too much!

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Submitted by early-bird on November 28, 2006 - 7:49am.

"Imagine how you're going to feel in 2020 when there's still scuttling along the border of Mexico, and China says to the United States … 'Would it help you if we deploy a couple of Chinese aircraft carriers off the coast of, say, San Diego and Tijuana?'" Clark said. "What are the rules that we as a preeminent power ought to establish now so that 20 years from now we're not on the receiving end of Chinese exceptionalism?"

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

EXCERPTS

American exceptionalism

Political science defines it as presence of unique traits in the United States, such as a tradition of anti-authoritarianism, individualism, a high regard for work and private enterprise, the failure of socialist parties, the geographical separation of the Americas from the rest of the world, and high levels of religious influence, particularly Protestant Christianity, that do not correlate with national characteristics in either the similarly developed nations of Western Europe and Scandinavia, or even in the lesser developed countries in Latin America or in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exceptionalism

 

EXCERPTS

A frequent use of the term occurs in discussions of "American exceptionalism", which variously implies that the United States of America embodies or claims to be an example of non-standard historical progression in relation to economic or military theory. The unique historical development of the United States of America, and its geographic isolation from culturally similar peoples, have contributed to a palpable sense that in some ways "America" is an "exception". The extent to which this is true, and the nature of its divergence from historical norms, is the subject of inquiry in various fields including economics and history. Exceptionalism may conceptually overlap with a sense of identity, where a people believes itself to be exceptional in some way: early immigrants to America from Europe thought America would be a "redeemer nation". 

 

 

 

“If you put me on third base I'll take it home.” - Wes Clark


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 7:53am.

Thanks,e-b; we learn something from every appearance, don't we?

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Submitted by early-bird on November 28, 2006 - 7:58am.

thanks for the post and keeping us up to date  - I've been too up to my ears with medicines and stuff  to overcome being so myopic  

 

“If you put me on third base I'll take it home.” - Wes Clark


Submitted by Cristian Brown on November 28, 2006 - 8:17am.

Hiya eb,

Thank you for the cite.  Uggh for the content.  Somehow, we just can't seem to wrap our minds around anything that doesn't end up with "We're Number One" and a big, red-white-and-blue foam finger. *sigh*

Crissie

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Submitted by early-bird on November 28, 2006 - 8:51am.

he was making a point in quite the diplomatic way about a very touchy subject ... he is so good at that - so necessary to have him express his experience and vision for American leadership.... I hated these last  six years  or so living in a vaccum ( I can't spell to save my life this morning ) I was fortunate to accidentally get an extension I was not on track to live this long; I hope to see the new day if I/we can get the work done to accomplish it; all I want is a democracy and some grandkids for my daughter so she won't feel lonely  - hope that isn't too much to ask for...

 

“If you put me on third base I'll take it home.” - Wes Clark


Submitted by Cristian Brown on November 28, 2006 - 9:03am.

Hiya eb,

I've felt very alone too, which is why I hang out here at Clarkienet.  At least here I don't feel as if I'm "the last sane person in the room," which is a pretty scary notion, because ... well ... I'm not all that sane.

I can't tell you how many times I've looked around in the past six years and thought: "Y'know, Canada or Germany wouldn't be bad places to live."  I was thinking that last night, in fact, after I wrote my blog entry.

Wes gives me hope.  Frankly, I don't know what I'll do if he doesn't run.  Nobody else in the mix seems to have the foggiest clue what the real problems plaguing this country are, and those problems are all right here at home: a nationalistic arrogance of frightening proportions, a defense industry that consumes most of our federal budget, an increasing lack of hope for the middle class, an increasingly intrusive government, and a foreign policy based on "Do as I say, not as I do."

I hope Wes runs.  I hope Wes wins.  I hope Wes can turn us back from this precipice.  Because we are dangerously near a cliff that -- if we topple over it -- will leave us all in ruins before we can improve it.

Crissie

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Submitted by early-bird on November 28, 2006 - 9:26am.

because I am lonely .... I have been taking 'be the media' self motivated assignment  on since 1998; the smart CCNers get all the relevant stuff so that makes it possible for me to get quicker distribution of internet to specific people; of course WKC makes all the good stuff happen; I send to people who don't have time to news clip the internet; well I did that until last year now I send to radio hosts, journalists, I have been reading CCN since Sept 2005 I think it was...  

“If you put me on third base I'll take it home.” - Wes Clark


Submitted by Sue Brown on November 28, 2006 - 1:23pm.

Thanks for the quote from Wes, which hits right home, and the links.

All I can say is UGH. And yet that exceptionalism is exactly what I was taught in school during the cold war... except for the part about imperialism. We always were told that we were not imperialist and that we'd discarded Manifest Destiny a long time ago.

Hah! How misled I've been.

Run, Wes, Run! (Please?)

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Submitted by reggiesmom on November 28, 2006 - 8:13am.

My very, very favorite Q & A.....

Q:  If you do run, how will your campaign differ from your 2004 campaign?

A:  In virtually every respect.

Run Wes, Run!!!


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 8:25am.

Ditto, r'mom!

Submitted by Cristian Brown on November 28, 2006 - 8:27am.

Hi Ellen,

Thank you so much for the report, btw.  I found this student response interesting:

Monica Rosenberg '10 said she found Clark likable but questioned the feasibility of some of his proposals.

"He talked a lot about theory, and there are a lot of complications that make things less clear-cut," she said. "He seemed a little idealistic."'

I don't especially see Wes as an "idealist."  (Bush is.)  I see Wes more as a realist who recognized the limits of military force and sees that it's only one element -- the most expensive and least reliable element -- of statecraft.  It'd be nice to have a President who understood that you can talk to people without being weak, that "negotiation" and "compromise" are not bad words, and that "ally" is not intended to be synonymous with "lackey."

Hrmmm ... who might I mean.....

Crissie -- trying to sneak up behind Wes and nudge his hat toward the ring....

Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 8:34am.

I had similar response, Crissie, and then checked; Monica is a Freshman, so age probably contributes to her views.

Submitted by Cristian Brown on November 28, 2006 - 8:43am.

Hi Ellen,

I wasn't criticizing her so much as I found it interesting that she thought of Wes as an idealist.  And yes, I think that's partly due to her age, and partly due to a general sense (propagated a lot lately) that force == realism and diplomacy == idealism.

Crissie

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on November 28, 2006 - 9:46am.

You have to start out idealistic in almost any endeavor. The idealistic may, in fact, be unfeasible or impractical, but it has to be the starting point as a goal toward which we drive.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
BE THE CHANGE you wish to see in the world.
If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?


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Submitted by MA3 on November 28, 2006 - 10:07am.

I think you can’t run away from being an idealist as a leader because you have to have a goal or an idea where you are leading your country first, but of course then you support it with realism or you work around with it… I like to compare it to Albert Einstein's quote "Imagination is more important than knowledge." But in political arena, people are going to always perceive it differently to what they themselves like to hear; and it’s natural for people to question, such as Monica Rosenberg, about Gen. Clark's view since it sounds like too good to be true, that is especially these days.

I think Gen. Clark managed to give some solid points there as well since the Middles East situation was and still is unpredictable, he uses that word "careful" himself … As a politician, I think he is doing great by stepping around carefully, which he needs to balance himslef with idealism and realism. Hey, you don’t want Gen. Clark to give too much honey to the hungry busy bee neocons either…


Submitted by Cristian Brown on November 28, 2006 - 10:32am.

Hi MA3 and Stan,

There's a difference between "having ideals" and being "idealistic."  As aspirational principles, ideals are wonderful.  We need them, lest we accept "what is" as "what will always be."

Idealism, however, is something else.  It's a worldview where the reliability of observation is measured by one's ideals; if what you see doesn't comform to your ideals, then you must be seeing it wrong.  Idealism forces us to either: (a) ignore realities that don't fit our idealistic worldview; or, (b) dilute our ideals so that they conform to our experience.  The former is delusional; the latter is valueless cynicism masquerading as deflated idealism.

I want a leader with ideals.  I'd rather not be led by an idealist.  The "crash" tends to be rather ugly....

Crissie

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Submitted by Stan4Clark on November 28, 2006 - 4:57pm.

Fine, Crissie, but it seems a little like splitting hairs to make the distinction between having ideals and being idealistic. My post didn't make the distinction, and I don't think the distinction is relevant to what started this discussion.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO
BE THE CHANGE you wish to see in the world.
If not us, WHO? If not now, WHEN?


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Submitted by MA3 on November 28, 2006 - 8:41pm.

it's hair splitting as Stan mentioned it.

I guess these two words can be misunderstood easily, but why is it in the dictionary written as

 i·de·al·ism

  1. The act or practice of envisioning things in an ideal form.
  2. Pursuit of one's ideals.
  3. Idealized treatment of a subject in literature or art.
  4. Philosophy. The theory that the object of external perception, in itself or as perceived, consists of ideas.

These two words are under the same umbrella, but I guess what you are trying to say is that it depends how a leader or politician uses this word or these words. And when we try to decide who we like to have as our leader ideals will always be part of it, such as your ideal is "I want a leader with ideals. I'd rather not be led by an idealist."


Submitted by haypops on November 28, 2006 - 11:20am.

She can be forgiven for thinking Clark's plans are too idealistic if she doesn't know just how hard working Wes really is. Compare Bush's world's longest vacation in august of 2001 vs. Wes Clark's 20 hours/day schedulae during the Kosovo War. Wes worked the diplomacy thing non-stop. Each decession had to be approved/sold to all NATO contributors one on one.

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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 28, 2006 - 8:38am.

What a fun read with my morning coffee.


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 8:47am.

So glad everyone's enjoying it! Arose unusually early to find it, couldn't wait for everyone to get here! I'll have to 'nap' soon!

Haven't heard about his 6:05 interview, eh?

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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 28, 2006 - 8:49am.

I woke up about 40 minutes too late.


Submitted by justcallmeOHIO on November 28, 2006 - 8:58am.

At least it was once upon a time in America.
It's the stuff dreams are made of.

Submitted by Cristian Brown on November 28, 2006 - 9:26am.

Hi justcall,

I didn't mean to imply that idealism was a bad thing.  But it can be dangerous (the "White Hats and Horses" discussion from last week).  If you're going to tap into American idealism -- and we are strongly idealistic -- then you have to be right.  Wes would be.  Others might be.  Our current POTUS ... isn't.

Crissie

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Submitted by Bluemoon on November 28, 2006 - 9:12am.

"If you do run, how will your campaign differ from your 2004 campaign?"

"In virtually every respect." - Interesting!

Draco Malfoy: Scared, Potter? Harry Potter: You wish.


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 28, 2006 - 9:14am.

And the waiting is the hardest part...


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Submitted by mad4clark on November 28, 2006 - 9:27am.

what a joy to wake up to, Ellen.

Got up late too but I'm sitting here....sipping tea...and grinning from ear to ear.

:D

Run Wes Run!


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Submitted by Susan ClevelandOH on November 28, 2006 - 9:35am.

I was spellbound...

You have Wes at Brown saying that sometimes we don't learn from history...

And then Bobby Kennedy in front of 18,000 people at the U. of Kansas (Kansas!)in 1968 saying:

"Our country is in danger not just from foreign enemies. But above all from our own misguided policies. This war must be ended and in my judgement, it can be ended. And it does not involve giving up, but it does involve not continuing to follow the bankrupt policy we're following at the present time."

And the chills run down my spine.


Submitted by Sybil Liberty on November 28, 2006 - 11:23am.

Every four or five decades (if we're lucky), comes a great inspired American visionary and leader...yes! yes! yes! Susan...chills up the spine...

"Some of us are still eating hotdogs......and that's an astonishing thing." -- Wes Clark

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Submitted by Phoebe_in_Sydney on November 28, 2006 - 1:10pm.

Oooh, I hope that one gets screened in australia ... but not before I get back there!

You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003


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Submitted by MA3 on November 28, 2006 - 10:44am.

Thank you for this blog.

I had to laugh as well when I read some of Gen. Clark's answers and the way he answered them …

Ah neocons, right-wingers, Bush’s admin (I don’t know how to call them anymore) what are we going to do with them… I mean the mess that we are in right now : (.


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Submitted by Ruth on November 28, 2006 - 11:53am.

Other than that I was a pretty good candidate.

I'll say!

Thanks Ellen.


"Some of them put on their cowboy boots and put their feet up on the desk." -Wes Clark


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Submitted by reggiesmom on November 28, 2006 - 12:08pm.

I loved that remark, too! I wish I could have actually heard him say it. :)

"COUNTRY before Party!" -- Wes Clark


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Submitted by Phoebe_in_Sydney on November 28, 2006 - 1:13pm.

The answers are all good. Very quotable.

The one explaining that old chestnut about the speech he gave in 2001 is great. "All part of the freak show" indeed.

You'd be taking them to the Better Business Bureau if you bought a washing machine the way we went into the war in Iraq. Wes Clark, CNN Aug 17 2003


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Submitted by LSophia on November 28, 2006 - 12:15pm.

Loved that comment - also "other than that, I was a pretty good candidate."

Also loved his comment on the plan "that passed for strategy that was no strategy at all."

Somehow, we have got to keep the media from "proof texting" him - taking an isolated phrase or incident and turning it into a Big Thing. All that chatter last time about the argyle sweater or the "not-really-a-Democrat" meme, for example. This kind of stuff is so stupid and irrelevant and says nothing about the type of president he would make.


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Submitted by reggiesmom on November 28, 2006 - 1:07pm.

"freak show".....I absolutely loved it!


Submitted by Ellen on November 28, 2006 - 5:54pm.

LSophia, seems that Wes has responses to the 'old saws,' and we adopt/adapt, quickly of course. Prolly some good bumper stickers among them!

As to the student who seems surprised that a military person could ALSO be diplomatic, peeps clearly have to be informed about MANY roles of the military.

Submitted by summercat on November 28, 2006 - 5:28pm.

Another great Clark interview--and I love that he is not shutting down the idea of running--let's see that different campaign!!
Loved his answers to the questions--he never ceases to amaze!
The General gets it right.
Competence--What a concept!

Submitted by msbehavinforclark on November 29, 2006 - 1:30pm.

This one interview is fully quotable! LOL!

I'm sending it far and wide.

Thanks, Ellen! :D

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Submitted by marinerfan on November 29, 2006 - 4:26pm.

EllenG.

Find myself hanging on every word Wes speaks about Iraq these days. Looking for some hope that we can turn this thing around....and soon. Wes' words always help, but....

It's hard to have hope with this crew in charge. Just look at what's happened since this speech by Wes. al Sadr boycotting govt, leaked memo blaming Maliki for everything (who leaked that? Hadley? Disrupting things as not to kill PNAC?...just musings), Maliki a no show today, Marines saying they can't beat the insurgents in Al Anbar....moving troops from Al Anbar to Baghdad hoping to stem the tide, it seems.....and on and on. This crew is just incapable of diplomacy and of fixing this mess, I fear. (end of rant...for now)

On the bright side....I got a real chuckle out of Wes' "wild ride on a bucking bronco". Ha! And....I can't wait till Wes says he IS gonna run. I hate unopened packages!


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Submitted by early-bird on November 30, 2006 - 12:03am.

 [ comment 'exceptionalism' ]

 A NEW VISION FOR 2025 
 
 

John P. Geis, II, Lieutenant Colonel, USAF 
 

April 2003 
 

The Occasional papers series was established by the Center for Strategy and Technology as a forum for research on topics that reflect long-term strategic thinking about technology and its implications for U.S. national security.  Copies of No. 32 in this series are available from the Center for Strategy and Technology, Air War College, 325 Chennault Circle, Maxwell AFB, Alabama 36112, or on the CSAT web site at http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awccsat.htm The fax number is (334) 953-6158; phone (334) 953-6460.   
 

Occasional Paper No. 32
Center for Strategy and Technology 
 

Air University
Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama 36112 

EXCERPT

The Rise of China
 

      What was called the American century has given way to the Asian Millennium.84 The economies of South East Asia became progressively more intertwined in the early years of the twenty-first century.  By the year 2000, over seventy percent of the wealth of Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, and Singapore was in the hands of ethnic Chinese.85  The trade between the Chinese in the area and the mainland helped the mainland economy grow rapidly.86  In late 2000, many estimated the Chinese gross domestic product to be in the neighborhood of $5.6 trillion, with annual trade with the U.S. at over $58 billion.87  After the economic slowdown in 2002-2004, China’s economy continued to grow at around 8 percent per year, and passed the U.S. economy in total size by 2011.88  By 2012, Chinese GDP passed $12 trillion on its way to the $29 trillion mark in 2025, the same year the United States economy crossed the $18 trillion threshold.89
      This robust economic expansion paved the way for China to modernize its military.  China increased military spending over 200 percent between 1988 and 1995, and although the pace of growth has slowed somewhat, China’s defense spending continues to increase.90  China began a restructuring of its military in the late 1990s and continued this during the decade that followed.  China began to change a mammoth military equipped with aging and dilapidated equipment into a smaller but more capable force.91  China purchased Sovremenny-class destroyers in the late 1990s,92 and began construction of its first aircraft carrier in 2006.   The construction of the carrier proved more difficult than expected, and the carrier and its attendant aviation wing were not completed until 2012.  Seeking to bolster its force projection capability, China embarked on a program to build a new group every four years until it had seven carrier groups in its fleet.  By 2025, four carrier battle groups were in operation.  China was also concerned about its ability to project ground forces.  A program to build new amphibious vessels was begun in 2005.  Today, in 2025, China has sufficient sealift to land three divisions ashore at a point of its choosing. 

      Well aware of the value of asymmetric weapons, China began investing in directed energy weapons in the late twentieth century.  By 2025, China had equipped her naval vessels with 50 TW pulsed laser cannons; pulsed microwave beams capable of inducing kilovolt electric fields in unprotected circuitry at distances of several tens of miles, and continuous wave microwave devices for point defense, area denial, and adversary troop incapacitation.  Airborne laser systems, while less powerful, were capable of destroying a tank at ten miles, and engaging an adversary aircraft at more than 100 miles in clear weather.  Microwave defense shields were in place around all military assets, capable of disintegrating the circuits of any guided weapon that approached within ten kilometers.93   Aware of the impact of directed energy technologies, and with asymmetric use of these technologies a central theme of their defense plans, China maintains a redundant command and control system with both digital and analog communications.  Hardening against use of these devices has been incorporated into all vessels and vehicles built since 2012. 
The Rise of Iran
 

      Iran began the twenty-first century in economic crisis.  The national GDP had been flat from 1997-1999, and international debt had risen to over ten percent of GDP.94  As oil prices rose in the spring of 2000, Iran experienced a balance of payments influx that began to bolster the economy at a rate of over five percent per year.95  Iran’s economy remained tied to the fortunes of its oil exports, which served the nation well over the period.  Iran had over 105 billion barrels of crude oil reserves with many regions of the nation unexplored at the beginning of the century.  This was in addition to owning nearly one seventh of the world’s natural gas reserves—roughly one quadrillion cubic feet.96  As a result of its vast oil wealth, Iran paid off its international debt by 2007, and its economy continued to grow throughout the period.  As the economies of Asia grew stronger, and as their demand for oil became greater, trade between Iran and China more than quadrupled in this period.  Further, as Iran fulfilled China’s need for oil, China acted as Iran’s primary supplier for arms and a strategic partnership was formed.97 

      In 2025, Iran has a GDP of approximately $1.4 trillion (constant 2000 dollars), and a population approaching 120 million.98  It has an armed force of over 450,000 with over 400 tanks, half equipped with directed energy weapons, and 400 combat aircraft, including two wings of recently acquired stealthy Chinese fighters.  Iran has fielded a submarine fleet of an estimated 100 vessels, several of which are capable of extended silent running, and has constructed several ultra-high-energy laser and high power microwave weapons on the islands in and on the mainland around the Straits of Hormuz.99  These weapons have on-site generation capability, and are tapped into the national power grid for augmentation.
The Theocratic Government of Saudi Arabia
 

      The reign of King Fahd came to an end in late 2011 as a result of an uprising by the religious clergy within the kingdom.  Efforts by CENTCOM Commander to maintain an American presence over the first ten years of the century received support at home and were begrudgingly accepted by King Abdullah as a continuing counterbalance to Iraq, and later to Iran.100  The continued presence of Americans on what was considered “Holy Ground” by most Muslims in the region continued the downward trend of stability within the Saudi Kingdom.101  Feeling “more is better” the plans to jointly exercise U.S. and Saudi forces developed by the CENTCOM staff only exacerbated the problems.102  As a result, uprisings began in 2012, which the Saudi military forces were hard-pressed to control.  In the end, the unwillingness of the Saudi army to kill their countrymen and esteemed religious clerics resulted in the toppling of the government in March 2013.  The religious theocracy that came to power requested all non-believers leave Saudi soil not later than October of that year, and permanent American military presence came to an end.  While the Saudi economy remains intact, and the standard of living continues to slowly improve for the Saudi people, American presence on Saudi territory appears unwelcome unless Saudi Arabia faces imminent invasion of their own territory.
The United States
 

      The United States began the new century as the world’s one and only superpower.  The tax cut package implemented in 2002, combined with increased military and homeland security spending, resulted in an end of the budget surpluses that characterized the 1990s.103   Pro business lobbying and a generally conservative congress resulted in no movement within the U.S. in development of a national energy policy, or the development of more energy efficient infrastructure.  The U.S. ended the year 2000 importing forty-nine percent of its domestic oil needs.104  It enters 2025 importing more than sixty percent of the oil needed to run the economy and fuel its cars, trucks, motorcycles, and aircraft. 
      The economy continued to grow throughout the period.  The GDP rose from just under $9 trillion in 2000 to a 2025 level of nearly $19 trillion.105  Despite the robust economy, a series of tax cuts kept federal revenues relatively steady.  Thus, while there was a recovery from the post cold war military drawdown, this recovery has been slow.  The U.S. enters 2025 with ten full aerospace expeditionary forces, which contain the F-22, JSF, and more than twenty airborne laser attack platforms each.106  The Army has succeeded in implementing much of the Joint Vision 2020 capabilities, but has only started the conversion to what was known in 2000 as the Army after Next.  The Navy is back to thirteen carrier battlegroups with each major combatant ship and submarine having high energy laser and high power microwave weapons.  Powered by nuclear plants, the weapons on the aircraft carriers and submarines are on par with larger fixed ground stations.  Stealthy cruise missiles and stealthy aircraft predominate the air component of each of the services. 

 

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Author
 

      Lieutenant Colonel John P. Geis II entered the Air Force in 1983 as an Honors Graduate of the University of Wisconsin—Madison.  Lt Col Geis has had a varied career.  An instructor weapons systems officer and navigator, Lieutenant Colonel Geis has over 1,200 hours in the F-111A, F-111E, T-37, AT-38B, T-43, and AC-130H aircraft.  Operationally, he served as a planner for Operation Eldorado Canyon, flew combat missions over Bosnia-Herzegovina, and commanded a special operations task force in Korea.  He served as the Chief, Leadership Branch at Squadron Officer School where he restructured the leadership curriculum used to train all Air Force company grade officers.  While attending Air Command and Staff College, Lieutenant Colonel Geis co-authored the Alternate Futures Monograph for the Chief of Staff-directed Air Force 2025 study.  Before attending the Air War College, he was assigned to staff duties as Chief, Strategic Planning, Doctrine, and Force Integration Branch at Headquarters Air Force Special Operations Command.  In this capacity he was responsible for all long-range planning, doctrine development, and joint force integration for all Air Force Special Forces.  He led the development of AFSOF 2027, a future vision document that guided procurement for Air Force Special Forces.  Lieutenant Colonel Geis earned a Bachelors of Science degree in Meteorology from the University of Wisconsin, a Masters of Political Science Degree from Auburn University, and a Masters of Strategic Studies Degree from the Air War College.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/occppr32.doc.  

 

 

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