Stop Blaming the Troops - Investigate the Real Culprits of Abuse

The time has come to investigate the Bush Administration's role in the prisoner abuse and humiliation that has motivated our enemies in the war on terror and endangers the well-being of our fighting forces.

Today, the reports of abuse and humiliation at detainment facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Cuba are distracting the world from focusing on winning the war on terror. Although the military chain of command seems to have properly investigated the role of its personnel and held accountable those in the wrong, the civilian leadership in this country has failed to do the same.

Call on Senate Armed Services Chairman John Warner to investigate the Bush Administration's role in prisoner abuse now!

For generations, the United States has been a powerful voice of moral authority in the world. After World War II, we led the world in creating the Geneva Conventions and prosecuting war criminals at Nuremberg, and later became one of the first nations to ratify the Convention Against Torture. Even today, Slobodan Milosevic is being tried for war crimes thanks to a U.S.-led NATO air strike against his brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.

Unfortunately, the Bush Administration has squandered our legacy of moral leadership.

I need your help to protect the honor of our men and women in uniform and to set us on the right course to win the war on terror. Although the President has said the United States is "committed to the worldwide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example," the Administration's actions don't match his words. In his infamous memo, Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush to ignore the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war – a treaty that protects our soldiers captured abroad – to give the president more "flexibility." This so-called "flexibility" along with other Administration policies and statements may have ultimately contributed to the environment in which the abuses at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan have occurred.

Among the disturbing practices identified so far: the rendition of prisoners to countries where they can be tortured, failing to register "ghost prisoners" to deny them visits by the Red Cross, employing civilian contract agents to conduct interrogations outside military rules, and the reported prolonged degrading treatment of some detainees in U.S. custody. All of these deserve further investigation.

With the right leadership and accountability, couldn't the Administration have prevented the embarrassment of Abu Ghraib and the controversy at Guantanamo Bay? While some are blaming individual soldiers, doesn't at least some of the responsibility rest with the civilian leadership of our government? Don't the American people deserve the truth? Shouldn't Congress lead an investigation?

Sign my petition to Chairman John Warner now and urge him to hold hearings on the Bush Administration's statements, policies, orders, and actions related to prisoner abuse.

How can we win the war on terrorism, a fight for democracy and freedom in America and around the world, if we forsake the very principles and institutions for which we are fighting?

The laws of war are designed to regulate combat and to protect non-combatants from the violence and degradation of war. The conduct of this Administration may ultimately lead to a green-light for our enemies to torture our soldiers when captured -- we owe it to our men and women in uniform and their families to investigate.

American soldiers deserve better than to see our allies pointing their fingers at Guantanamo Bay and calling it an "American problem." We are doing their work too – defeating terror is a global priority.

People of good conscience cannot afford to stay silent. Please join me today, and then invite everyone you know to stand with us.

Sincerely,

Wes Clark

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Submitted by Anonymous on August 15, 2005 - 6:06am.

Come on we all know what kind of abuse happend in vetnam and other wars in the past. Let it go before they look in to your past.
Somethings are done in war that we don't like, but this is not a game. We make the rules of war and everone forgets them. War is war there should be know rules, them that follow the rules Lose.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 27, 2005 - 12:20pm.

Not a chance. As a American I stand behind my ELECTED President, whether is was President Clinton getting hummers in the white house and lying about it(oops that old stuff, not suppose to bring that up) or Pres. Bush in a war yall are saying is wrong. I will not sign it. Ya are the people who dont think murders and child molesters should get the death penalty. The prisoners are just that. This is still a great nation and we havent been attacked again like our friends in London, but I dont hear yall or the news say anything about that. The war is hear and our leaders need to focus on that not some screw ball sending a petion. Put down your signs bashin the President and lets stand as one, that is how we will win this global war on terror.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 14, 2005 - 9:57am.

The Vietnam War was pushed as a needed cause and killed over 50,000 American. The actual history of Vietnam was in the book "Street without Joy" written by Dr. Bernard B. Falls. We did not read the history, we did not study the facts - a Captain Sherman provided me with a copy when we were at highsea on our way to Vietnam. He was the Grandson of General Sherman, he was also Flight Surgeon for the First Air Cavalry Division. Like his Grandfather, General Sherman he knew that you had to study your enemy.
Upon completion of my tour, I wrote a letter to Senator Scott of Pennsylvania. The Senator took 18 months to answer the letter. He was not pleased to understand the TRUTH. The letter was seeded with the truth , ideas to pay for the war, and knowledge about the pending crises involving the DRAFT. Via other means I learned that the period of 18 months had produced real hell as the TRUTH keep coming out to produce honest motivation to proceed to a different conclusion with the WAR. The discussions amounted to the dialog that launched the "Lottery Draft". The formulation of this outcome possibly helped to keep the country together, but it demonstrates how we have burried the Truth. The magic of this legislative effort is a leason for the American Public that might have helped us slow down the process that has brought us to war in Iraq.
Those who have answered the DRAFT have a right to feel neglected when the discusion of change is still HIDDEN.
There are other outcomes beside Nuclear War, but they have been given no weight or room for discussion. We have started to push the Moslem World to believe that JUSTICE can only be achieved by Nuclear means. The Nuclear option makes it possible for the Terrorist to know that he can inflict great cost and distruction.
If we looked to history we could find that Christianity has a problem, the Sun God ritual has become infused into the Radical Christian. The Masonic understanding does not include the Sun God. Is our real battle with the "Sun God", it makes us think that Jesus is not a man. This is not a Bibical concept. The log is in our eye.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 13, 2005 - 12:00pm.

This is not a conflict that can be solved by military means. Military force is antithetical to what we are ostensibly trying to accomplish in erradicating the methodology that is "terrorism."

The world is full of disaffected, sullen, testosterone-poisoned young males with nothing better to do than make a huge statement for their beliefs, family, sad little legacy or, when all else fails, country. They can live in Bagdad, or they can live in Littleton, but they are here with us and always will be. Some choose to wear a uniform. Some just go out there in Tee shirts and Nikes and blow things up. The only difference is that Al Queda (such as it is,) does it a LOT more cost-effectively.

Bombing say, Falluja to get "the terrorists," (or now, "the insurgents,") is like bombing Oklahoma City...stoopid, pointless. More to the point, it just makes otherwise apathetic people mad.

Fighting mad.

Shall we now send troops to London, where there is admittedly a hotbed of anti-western sentiment? How about Bakersfield, where Christianist militants preach the violent overthrow of Islam, Methodism, and MTV?

As odious at it seems to me, this is rightly, and always has been, an international police action which should be funded, staffed and implemented as such. Granted, Georgie's oiligarchy wouldn't be able to make trillions building their support infrastructures, but we might cooperatively be able to remove the venture capitalists funding terrorist enterprises such as the one we just saw in London. If indeed that is our aim....

The second potentially HUGE mistake you are making is assuming that attacks like this are soley a function of fundamentalist Islamists. How long do you suppose it will be until frustrated youth in America's cities begin bombing and blowing themselves up to make a point? What better way for a gangbanger facing a life in prison to go out in a blaze of glory? What about the so-called Mexican mafia? Your dealer stiffed you? Blow up his apartment building and maybe his kids' school. And if you don't think that there are radical Christianist fundamentalists willing to die for their "god," you are deluded.

Do we send in the military for this as well?

Please use your forum to start a national dialectic questioning the whole military approach to this phenomenon. Granted, it is a huge business, but does it actually accomplish what is proportedly sets out to accomplish? The reasoned answer is, of course, no.

Thank you,
ahansen
Caliente, CA. USA.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 13, 2005 - 1:28pm.

When Christians start using suicide bombs and decapitation gimme a call, k?

in the meantime here's what we all came for

Submitted by Anonymous on July 9, 2005 - 9:09pm.

Freedom of speech is precious and often painful. They're not fooling anyone...See you Saturday, General.

Promontory Rider

Submitted by Anonymous on July 9, 2005 - 7:58pm.

Thank you for giving the opportunity to speak my mind.

I lost my job this past year. When Clinton was president, I worked in a prosperous enterprise. But in the last year, we had to close our operations. We simply could not compete with foreign labor.

This foreign labor worked for low pay under very bad conditions. They worked very long shifts, and many even died on the job. This competition could hardly be called "fair." I was forced out of the place where I had worked for 34 years. Not a single government program was there to help me. How can Bush call himself "compassionate?"

Far worse, I lost two of my sons in Bush's evil war in Iraq. They gave their lives for their country, and for what? So that Bush's oil buddies can get rich. My pain of losing my sons is indescribable.

While it is trivial next to the loss of my sons, I regret to say that I also lost my home. I simply had nothing left. How can Bush call himself a Christian when he neglects people like me? I am a senior citizen with various medical problems. I'm not in a position where I can begin a new career.

I was reduced to the point where I had to live in a hole in a ground, all because of President Bush. And when the authorities found me there, did they have any compassion for my misfortune and ailments? No, I was arrested. Mr. Bush, I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a compassionate man! I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you a Christian!

If I had any money left, I would donate it to the Democratic party. If Al Gore had been elected in 2000, I guarantee I would still have a job, a home, and most importantly, my dear sons!

Regards,

Saddam Hussein

Submitted by Anonymous on July 13, 2005 - 12:04pm.

This is deluded, but extraordinarily funny.

Thanks!

ahansen

Submitted by Anonymous on July 3, 2005 - 9:58pm.

The center of investigation on this while issue is MG G. Miller, USA, the Commander at GTMO to whom when the SECDEF direct to use the SECDEF's authorized interrogation and handling methods for the illegal combattants (supposedly Al Quaida) from Afghanistan. Due to an absence of legal oversight at GTMO, the results using these methods were superior and since success breeds success; the SECDEF transferred Miller to Iraq, where interrogation results were meager, and told him to take his GTMO techniques with him....which he did. Miller did improve the results in Iraq but unfortunately (or fortunately) the world was watching. The Abu Graib mess started in GTMO and Miller is the common thread. Arrogance of power originating from "W", the VP, SECDEF, Attorney General, and overeager generals like Miller is the fuel to this whole mess. A career DoD HUMINT officer.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 2, 2005 - 11:57am.

I was really disappointed with the Courts Martial proceedings of the several Non-Coms involved with the Abu-Grabi fiasco. I refuse to believe that these players came up with all this 'torture' all by themselves. 'Someone' put them up to it, or indeed ordered them to do it. WHO??? I think Wes is looking too high up for the proper culperts. Bush, et al, may have made some off-hand comment somewhere along the line that some 'intellegence' COMPANY-man took to heart, then passed along to other COMPANY-men in Abu-Grabi and/or Gitmo. They, in turn, issued the orders (or 'suggestions') to these non-coms.

Where were the Officers at Abu-Grabi? Was there only the General in charge of everything? Was there no Division Officer, or Company Officer? All these pictures I've seen on CNN were taken right out in the hallway - not in some underground, secret dungeon. Nobody but these five or six troops saw what was happening? Sorry, I have great difficulty believing this one.

I am fully aware that every soldier takes an oath to '. . . follow all LAWFUL orders of those appointed above me . . .'. When should a soldier refuse to follow orders when he/she 'knows' such order to be unlawful? How does a soldier avoid a 'refusal to obey a superior' beef, or in this case (since more than three persons were involved), a charge of MUTINY? Serious questions!

WHO was in charge at Abu-Grabi, and WHO issued the orders to the participants?

Lt. C.F.Stembridge USCG(R)(ret.)

Submitted by Anonymous on July 2, 2005 - 3:00pm.

How many soldiers pack dog leashes and hoods when they are deployed? Did we ever find out where the participants got this stuff?

Submitted by Anonymous on July 28, 2005 - 8:44am.

Common sense should tell us that the leashes and hoods came from Saddam and his thugs. Remember, this was his former prison. Under his dictatorship, there was a large turnover of the population of prisoners in the prison. Somehow I sense that the "torture" that was inflicted upon prisoners we captured pales in comparison to what Saddam did to his prisoners. Most saw their last days at that prison under him.

Submitted by Anonymous on August 5, 2005 - 2:53pm.

Somehow, your logic is convoluted. Are we not America? Should we not stand for something more than this? When we perform acts of barbarism, and say: "well, they started it?", what have we become? We are AMERICANS, dammit! Let's start acting like the great country we are, and not bring ourselves down to Saddam's level. When we do so, we have become the very thing we have supposedly gone there to stop. Don't you understand this? DUH!!!

Submitted by Anonymous on July 28, 2005 - 1:41am.

How did CNN get the pictures? Did these pictures save American lives?

We all ask, how can we as a nation condone such acts of torture upon the terrorist soldiers. That is one issue. However, I feel a bit troubled when I realize "someone" leaked military information to a widely watched cable news program. What if Al-Jazeera had received the photo's first?? It wouldn't be Bush and the Administration you would be after, but the person who supplied our enemy with information to be used against us. Those photos should have been given to our Senators and let them debate it out. Mr. Clark is doing us a great service to lobby against an injustice, but yet remember, the whole incident(s) speaks of scandal on so many levels.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 1, 2005 - 10:14am.

For a very thorough condemnation of torture I recommend reading the following article in today's Washington Post: The Stain of Torture by Burton J. Lee III.

Lee served as a doctor in the Army Medical Corps early in his career and as presidential physician to George H.W. Bush for four years. He is a board member of Physicians for Human Rights.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 2, 2005 - 6:19am.

You stop the blame game, and demand the leadership take accountability.

Their attempt to wedge our support of service members is underhanded. The loyal support of soldiers demands that policy in place does not compromise their well being, torture does that.

1-Produces bad leads that cause collateral damage.
2-Against Geneva and removes the umbrella of understood restraint between warring bodies.
3-Inspires fight to death tactics, inflames the sentiments of jihad, discourages the moderate support necessary to win the peace.
4-Forces individual soldiers to compromise the clear moral objective necessary to deal with the human condition of undergoing warfare.

The training and skill of soldiers in the feild can overcome such flawed policy, but from the start such policies should be absent from the vocabulary of command.

Such is not the case with Donald Rumsfeld.

Submitted by Anonymous on July 13, 2005 - 1:56pm.

sorry about the typos...
(CLark Twain)

Submitted by Anonymous on July 1, 2005 - 3:50pm.

and heart which speaks the truth when you condemn such actions. These actions are simply evil and say nothing about this nation that is good. Our soldiers were sent for all the wrong reasons and are learning to be less then human but animals instead. Do not listen to those people who would do harm rather then admit our soldiers wrong doings. Thank you for your concern.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 5:52pm.

This abandonment of core American principles of respect for law, due process, and human rights is one of the greatest travesties of this administration. It has shamed this nation and put all of our troops in danger.

From the number and tone of the troll responses you've gotten on this, it looks like you really hit a nerve with the neocon, chickenhawk contingent. I salute you for that Sir! Keep taking it to them, they need to hear the truth.

Robin R.
Colorado

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 5:29pm.

As an American I am ashamed at what the Bush administration has done in all of the prisons outside this country. It is essential that this country stand for humane treatment of all prisoners. It is long past time that we charged these people. The Bush administration doesn't seem to have any faith in our legal system.

This has done enormous damage to our country and our military. Thank you for taking on this issue.

judy

Submitted by Anonymous on July 27, 2005 - 8:58am.

Its about time yall start using your efforts and stand behind our great country, our soldiers. Do you think it helps the moral and out come of our troops and the war....let me answer that for you NO!!!! The prison thing...get over it. The more yall and the media plays the longer it will take to move past it. It has went on with every was, (doesnt make it right). We need to unite and fight for our soldiers moral and a positive out come of the war. As a vetran I ask all of you to stop blaming any and everybody including President Bush and fight with and for our soldiers, because right now yall are just knocking them and this great nation down.

Trent Rogers
Jacksonville, Fl
U.S.A

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 5:05pm.

It's telling, however, that there are so many posters here who are rude, malicious and biting. This shows me that your simple truths have hit those who believe the Bush Administration's propaganda close to home. They simply don't know how to take a 34-year veteran of the Armed Services standing up for the troops and placing the blame squarely on where it needs to be placed - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice.
I read the comments below and laughed at how uninformed those people must be and cried because their failures to understand that violating the Geneva Convention violates the very principles of what the United States of America is supposed to stand for: human rights, justice, equal protection and civility. Allowing torture dishonors our troops and dishonors our country.
Thank you again for standing up for what's right in the face of ignorant adversity.

Lara T.
Tennessee

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 4:53pm.

I have signed it and passed it on. Your thoughts and ideas are great .

Thank you again Wes Clark.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:15pm.

are human beings too.

We should be nicer to them.

Burn a Bible, if you can.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 5:03pm.

Sound like a rove statement.
Seems to be that the ONLY ones talking about burning the bible or being wussies with terrorist are people like you. You must be a repug neo-con fascist because with people like you the ends always justifies the means, the bible and religion really mean absolutly nothing to you except to use it as a weapon or a tool to get what you want.

Types like you also like to keep TRYING to relate Iraq with 911 by using the terrorist tag... by the way, there WERE NO TERRORIST IN IRAQ BEFORE GDUB INVADED!

Afghanistan... hmmm.. what is that.. I think I heard of that before..hmmm.. is that where the people were that ACTUALLY attacked the USA? I thought we got them? hmm... I know.. that must be why we are in Iraq because they left Afghanistan to go to Iraq and wait for us there! Thats it! yeah.. OK but what about the WMD stuff?

I don't know... I guess I should just do whatever the fascist say.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:13pm.

Stop listening to all the DUmmies and get a life.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:11pm.

Many of these so-called "detainees" (what a tidy little title for them) were turned over to the U.S. authorities by warlords, thugs and corrupt governments that were paid about $5,000.00 taxpayer dollars for each one by the CIA. Accounts of this have surfaced time and time again and today I read where a Russian who was held and abused at Gitmo revealed upon his release (he was found innocent) that he too was "collected" in this way. As thinking people we must demand a FULL STOP to the unaccountable spending of our tax dollars to support these crimes. We must stop the unaccountable lying and deception and denials! NOT IN MY NAME WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY!

Submitted by Anonymous on July 1, 2005 - 4:17pm.

halliburton subsidiary---same one that ripped off america in Iraq---getting new GITMO construction contract!!!!!!!!!!!!

time for cleaning house.

democratic congress in 2006

wes clark--PRES OF THE US--- in 2008

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:47pm.

Geez, if it only costs $5,000 per terrorist then that slacker Bush should be rounding up a hell of a lot more of them. Just think how many terrorists our tax dollars could incarcerate if Ted Kennedy hadn't built that stupid underwater tunnel in Boston. (At least that way the women can breathe underwater, eh, Ted?)

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 5:08pm.

$5000 per terrorist? Who says they are all terrorist? I see... the people are kidnapped off of the streets of Afghanistan and sold to the USA as "terrorist" so I guess that makes them "terrorist". By the way... did I use the word terrorist enough?

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:10pm.

That there are secret camps with secret prisoners?

I think we need you to herald that, too.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:09pm.

Thank you so much, Gen. Clark, for your leadership on this desperately important matter. We are getting this out there on the Internet. We needed this task! Bless you and your hardworking staff.

Doris Lane

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 2:08pm.

And I heard a bunch of repubs bashing liberals. I told them this story and now they are wearing pins of yours. On my way home, I guy jumped out of the bushes and scared me but I talked him into supporting you.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 12:31pm.

.....that you are out there speaking for me!

This is a national disgrace. We have seen the enemy and he is us. It will take a generations for the slate to be wiped clean on this, if it happens at all.

I weep for my country!

Madeline

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 12:29pm.

You've earned my vote and our great nation's respect.

Don Dolan

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 12:21pm.

Petition signed. Thank you for your bravery in telling and demanding the truth. Thanks, too, for proving that American decency and moral strength did not disappear after 9/11.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 12:05pm.

As a retired army intelligence officer, I have been sickened by what has been going on in Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and other places where prisoners have been abused. You can be sure that no abuse would have taken place had it not been promoted and condoned by the administration, starting with President Bush, Attorney General Gonzales and Secretary Rumsfeld, who if they were honorable men, would accept responsibility for what they have wrought.

Prisoner abuse is first and foremost morally wrong. It demeans us and lowers us to the level our enemies. It breeches the Geneva Convention, which has served us well since World War II and is ineffective as is recognized by all intelligence professionals.

Fred Seamon
Lt. Col.US Army, retired

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 12:03pm.

Unfortunately, this corrupt regime of Dubya & Associates never had a perspective which would allow or include moral leadership. Such being in place has been highly regarded in our historical record, but liars & thieves in the minority have assumed the right to act without a longer view of time but with impunity. As the Downing Street Memos show, "W" had his agenda white-hot even before the election, and 9/11 was shangaiied for private purposes whether Iraq was involved or not. Walter Jones [R-NC] & Ron Paul (R-TX) in the HR and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb) & Lincoln Chaffee (R-RI) in the Senate have become chagrined enough to begin objecting with gusto, but is it not a shame that we have to wait until a belatedly embarrassed Republican says "enough" so as not to be called "unpatriotic" for objecting to the illegalities & improprieties ourselves earlier? We need a "regime change" in Washington so that the truth be told without any further adieu. No, the truth is not pretty, but we should never have been placed into this predicament either with historic principles having been followed. Torture is untenable by any name, and rewriting the interrogation rules to allow for torture will only make it worse & our enemies more fueled by it. While there are military up in the command yet to be properly charged as to their role in commanding subordinates to act outside the law, we need to address civilians' roles in this in the Pentagon & DOD too. Unilateralism must cease if support & cooperation of other nations is to occur. Our place in the world's family of nations is secure only as we lead with exemplary actions & moral resolve. Bushie & Karl Rove cannot be allowed to act outside of legality, & it is our democratic responsibility to hold them accountable! Patriotism will allow for nothing less!
Prof. A.C. Hander (retired) Meadowbrook, PA 19046

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 11:58am.

Petition signed, and I hope it leads to investigations although I am not an optimist in this regard.

Thank you for speaking plainly and keeping the abuse and torture issue from sinking into the memory hole. It is an important issue, as is the purported use of napalm and similar chemicals.

Torture, detainee abuse, use of napalm, and ignoring of Darfur all tell us something about this administration and about ourselves. That someone like Clarke is trying to take action is heartening and contrasts with the measured statements from most in congress. We need to be blunt about this dysfuctional dangerous administration and do something about it.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 11:46am.

General Clark,
I was very happy to sign your petition. I am very tired and worried that there is absolutely no oversight over the unbridled power of our Executive Branch. Your leadership on this issue is extremely important and much appreciated. Let's keep the pressure on.

Thanks.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 11:15am.

General, you always see through the rhetoric and cut straight to the heart of every issue. I've been completely frustrated with the administration and their allies in Congress shifting the blame for each of their failures onto the soldiers who can only do their jobs within the policy framework handed to them from above. It helps to have someone of your stature and wisdom saying what must be said, and giving us an avenue to speak out as well.
Jai
US Army (retired)

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 10:55am.

What a terrific, eloquent letter by the only member of the Democratic Party who is the right man to lead a petition drive on this issue on behalf of all concerned Democrats and people of good conscience everywhere!

Let's continue to keep the pressure on the GOP and the Bush administration.

GO WES!!

~ Alexandra

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 10:34am.

I can not thank you more for your statement and your leadership on this issue. I commented above to a critic who in my opinion fails to understand what is great about our country. If we lose our vision as a people we will truly be lost. This Administration endangers our troops needlessly. This administration endangers our vital interests needlessly, and this administration endangers the very principles that make America great.

Tom Rinaldo

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 10:19am.

A policy that negates the safety of our troops was put on the table. This is not about the guilt of innocense of the prisoners; this is not about the actions of an individual American soldier, this is about the safety and well being of American troops and American world leadership.

Someone at sometime somewhere needs to be held accountable. How much more can fit under one thin rug?

Signed and passed on for others.

Thank you.

Donna Z

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 10:16am.

I signed your petition, too.

It's high time someone had the guts to call for this... I applaud you!

You have become such a voice of reason in a world gone mad. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much.

K. Brown
Boston, MA

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 10:02am.

I'm so grateful to you for continuing to speak out and lead us in ways that one would expect or hope for in a leader. You are a shining example of what our Dem leadership should be striving for. I hope they're paying attention. I sent your post and petition to everyone on my email list - I think I will also send it along to my elected officials here in Ohio.

Thanks again General! -jen

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 10:00am.

Yes, General, the civilian leadership must be held accountable for this terrible stain on our country's reputation! Petition signed, Sir!

Doug in Canton, Oh

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 9:54am.

In all candor, one must suggest that 99% of the purported abuse narrative is simple minded political rhetoric by Democrats who should know better. I see no reason to wring hands, carry banners or play the "gotcha" game over this issue. The people detained are terror suspects or terrorists. The were "acquired" on the battlefield and insituations intending to kill our soldiers (our kids) or non-involved Iraqis. In my view theyir only value is the intelligence we can acquire from them, and keeping them locked up and out of the battlefield or suicide car. If anything, political expediency has them coddled far beyond reason or economics. Why my tax dollars should provide them "comforts" is simply a fact I cannot fathom.In point of fact they would fare far worse in a Saudi or Egyprian or Syrian prison and deservedly so. As a matter of fact, the Wahhabist Saudis would likely confiscate their Korans since only the Saudi "approved" version of the Koran is tolerated in Saudi Arabia.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 1:53pm.

..taking those proven guilty of crimes out into the swamp and letting "the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest" as the C. Daniels song goes. However, we are talking about holding people for ages without charging them (a few who were potentially in the wrong place at the wrong time) and exposing them to disgusting and evil treatment such as that at Abu Ghraib. While I am not anywhere close to a so called "leftist pansy" as some of my republican guy friends around here might call some people [they don't call me that because they know better!], I do want our troops to be treated humanely in the event they are captured and I want the USA to be a beacon of light for the rest of the world. We can't just lead by our words, which with this president that thought is laughable anyway. Instead, we must lead by example, by our actions. Also, with our often repeated words "spreading democracy and freedom" and "we are against human rights violations", etc., we MUST NOT make those hollow words, even when it comes to dealing with our enemies. Do we really think other countries we've fought against that have tortured people did so because they were "friends" with the people? That they are our enemies does not negate our principles for which we stand. We MUST stand up for those principles and act on them or else we aren't the country we purport ourselves to be.

I LOVE this country. No matter what, it's still the greatest country on earth and our brave men and women soldiers are the major reason for that. Therefore, we must do everything we can to ensure that we comply with the GC. I have my doubts about some of the stuff the Geneva Conventions say is inhumane, but they are what they are. Also, what General Clark and other reasonable people are so upset about is stuff that is so way beyond the pale.

We cannot keep letting ourselves do the easy thing by acting out solely in revenge. If we really believe in our country's principles and go about things the right way, our way, that would be oh so much sweeter the revenge. As I would say, there's a difference between marmalade and strawberry jam. Last thought: Do we want to be a nation of hypocrites or a nation of moral value? If you are a republican mad at what you perceive are solely democrats complaining about this [not true but whatever] then which party is actually the moral authority party based on their actions? You cannot have it both ways depending on the issue at hand.

P.S. I say this as a church going southern methodist who has a history of voting for people in both parties.

Submitted by Anonymous on June 28, 2005 - 12:35pm.

Your statement "the purported abuse narrative is simple minded political rhetoric by Democrats" is not borne out by the facts. The narratives come from soldiers and FBI agents who were eye witnesses and/or participants in the abuse. Your justification that prisoners "would fare far worse in a Saudi or Egyptian or Syrian prison" tells me that that you need to go back to school or to your church to review ethics. Since when has it been acceptable to say what I did was wrong, but, hey, its okay because other people do worse things. This sounds like the moral relativism that Christians and non-Christians alike abhor.

It appears to me that you never served in the military. Did you? I have, as an intelligence officer for almost 23 years, including 2 tours in Vietnam. I never contemplated abusing prisoners - it is wrong, ineffective as a means of obtaining reliable information and because I support the Geneva Convention, which protects US soldiers as much as our enemies.

One reason why the abuse needs to be investigated and blame fixed at the highest level is to show the world that we are a nation that respects law and international treaties such as the Geneva Convention. By abusing prisoners we have made our country less safe by helping our enemies to recruit more terrorists.

We need to do all we can to defeat the terrorists. Stopping abuse of prisoners is a small, but importasnt step.

Fred Seamon
US Army retired

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