Succeeding in Iraq

59 American soldiers were killed in the first two-and-a-half weeks of August, including more members of the National Guard and Reserve than in any month since the war began. Iraqi leaders missed the first deadline for approving a Constitution.

And yet George Bush, on a five-week vacation at his ranch in Texas, insists that we are "making progress" in Iraq. Making progress? How so?

The Bush Administration's insistence on pursuing its current failing strategy and its inability to come clean about its own mistakes are largely responsible for our lack of real progress in Iraq.

Now that we're in Iraq, it is critically important that we succeed there; and to do so, we need a real strategy for success, not just George Bush's words about "resolve" and "will".

As I have written before, from the outset of the American post-invasion efforts, we needed a three-track strategy--diplomatic, political, and military. On the diplomatic side, we needed to engage Iraq's neighbors to persuade them that a stable, democratizing Iraq was not a threat to them, to isolate Iraq from outside supplies, leadership, or manpower, and to gain from them resources and support to alleviate the burdens on the US. Unfortunately, the Administration didn't see the need for a diplomatic track focused on Iraq. The effects of its scattershot diplomacy in the region have been the opposite of what was needed--threatening some of Iraq's neighbors with a variety of economic and diplomatic measures and allusions to further military action, expounding aims in the region that are perceived as grandiose and naïve; failing to reinforce the US efforts with more culturally and linguistically capable regional allies, and turning away other assistance which might have made US leadership less obtrusive. The diplomatic failure magnifies the difficulties facing the political and military elements of US strategy by contributing to increasing infiltration of jihadists, the surprising resilient support of the insurgency, and the underlying political difficulties of bringing together representative Iraqi elements.

Then during my presidential campaign, we unveiled a comprehensive success strategy for Iraq that focuses on the diplomatic, political, and military aspects of the mission. A Real Plan for Success in Iraq is still relevant today, over 18 months later. Political stability and strong diplomatic ties are vital to the establishment of democracy. Sadly, the situation in Iraq has so far severely lacked both of these elements, due to the Bush Administration's overwhelming focus on only the military aspect of the war.

Even within the military sphere, however, planning and management by the Bush Administration has been inadequate. Terrorist activity continues unabated, and the Army, Army Reserve and National Guard are all behind on their recruiting goals. Similarly, the Iraqi security forces that we have been hearing about for more than two years have still not materialized.

Although the American military won the war, the Bush Administration has clearly been unable to keep the peace. And that is the key to our long-term success in Iraq. It is time, in fact it is more than time, for the Bush Administration to produce a transparent, comprehensive strategy for success, with measurable goals and milestones to gauge our progress. Anything less is unequal to the challenges we face.

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Submitted by alex (not verified) on August 27, 2005 - 6:00pm.

General Clark,

While I agree with most of what you say, I think you've missed one big reason for our failure to be taken as anything but imperiallists by many Iraqis, and why we've failed to gain any international help in building Iraq: the body of law (Transitional Authority Law - I think it's called) put in place by Paul Bremer, that is designed to make sure that American companies get and keep a monopoly on the business of rebuilding Iraq and running the oil industry. These laws include forbidding the Iraqi government from giving preference for rebuilding contracts to Iraqi firms, ensuring the right of foreign (i.e. US) firms to wholly own and take all their profits out of Iraq, limiting corporate tax to 15%, among other things.
This, together with the DOD having retained the power to award rebuilding contracts, which authority they used to punish nations that wouldn't agree with the invasion, have contributed to our isolation in this endeavor. If we had used the rebuilding money to build strong Iraqi companies, with the support of various international contractors, we could have contributed to stability in Iraq, and given other wealthy nations an incentive to help.
I think this is a key point in understanding our failure so far.
Sincerely,
Alex Murray

Submitted by Bob (not verified) on August 27, 2005 - 7:06am.

If you did not watch TV, would you know that America is at War in Iraq? Do most people know that America is still at war in Afganistan?

In the World Wars, America was a united front. The war was in the papers. Gasoline rationing was a daily occurance. There was no Indy 500 those years. The focus was to do what ever it took to win. Most tax rates were greater than 40%.
Rebuilding Germany and Japan took years. The history books refer to the Berlin Arilift being from June 1948 to September 1949. Yes, this is 4 years after VE day.

Today's headlines: 27 August 2005.
-- MTV Video Awards
-- Strike throwing wrench at travel plans
-- Hurricane Katrina
-- Base Re-Alignment Commission to close bases.
-- Barrel of oil now at $67. Expected to top $100 by this time next year.

It seems to me, that while America's military is fighting this war, America itself is not at war. Yes, blame the politicians for not effectively pursuing Osama Bin Laden. However, they also need to be blamed for not making this America's war.
There is no sacrifice. Really, what did people expect would happen. Yea, Yea, the wicked dictator is dead and everyone would rejoice in the Emerald City?
No, this needs to be America's war. The leaders of this country need to wise up and just tell people straight up that we are not leaving for 10 years. We are going to double or triple our forces in the Middle-East so that we can get the job done. Maybe then, those who are fighting America in the Middle-East will realize that we are in this for the long-haul. Keep in mind too that it was 11 years from the Declaration of Independance to the U.S. Constitution and that we had to fight this war again 25 years later.

Even with War, we are not focused as a country. Religious leaders wanting to assasinate democratically elected presidents. No we are not talking about Ayatolah's in Iran speaking of President Bush. We are talking about Pat Robertson and the President of Venzuela, Hugo Chávez. Gee -- Lets just go and start another jungle war. At least this war would be closer to home. Of course, Mr. Robertson issued a pathetic appology for a man of character. On his 700 club show Friday, Mr. Robertson stated, "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,'" Mr. Robertson, does this mean that you think the world is stupid?

Most Americans probably don't know on which continent Venzuela is. But it should suffice to say that is is close to Aruba. So now we have a country that was a friend of the United States looking for a friend in Cuba. Mr. Chávez stated publicly that the United States is the greatest thread to democracy in the world today. Is that so?

But then again, why is Pat Robertson upset about Venzuela? Not shutting down the production of drugs. Is this not similar to the people who sue McDonald's for their being fat, fat, fat??? What if the United States became serious about its drug problem. If there were no market, then there would be no issue. What if instead of having soldiers in Iraq, 160,000 DEA agents swept down on Los Angeles to shut down the over 1100 known gang run neighborhoods. What if some of these soldiers were able to secure America's borders with Mexico? How can we condemn countries in the Middle-East for not securing their borders against terrorists, when we can't secure our border with Mexico?
Note: Venzuela is the #5 supplier of oil to the USA.

Putting price controls on gasoline. I think that worked great for Nixon in the 70's. Long lines because there was no supply. Carter lowered speed-limits to 55 miles per hour to save gas. Bush and congress raised the speed-limits to 70. People talk about fuel-economy standards, but still purchase vehicles that get less than 15 miles per gallon. Last year I was looking at cars, but couldn't find any gas powered vehicles that could hold my family and had better mileage than my 10 year old car. If you need a 40 gallon gas tank in your Chevy Suburban, or truck, or Humvee to get you through the week, what were you thinking??? Oh, you still thinking about the $500+ per month mortgage you took out on your truck?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 27, 2005 - 10:21am.

the nation needs to share the sacrifice; the troops need to KNOW we are behind them.

those criticizing Cindy Sheehan miss the point. Right or wrong, she is supporting the troops her way. That is an American birthright. So, I cannot agree with the people that say she is disloyal, unpatriotic, undermining the war, or dishonoring the memory of her son. On the contrary, everyone honors her son's sacrifice. and as a mother, she should speak what's on her mind and say what's in her heart. That's American, that's the unfettered marketplace of ideas. that's what makes us different and is the lynchpin of all our freedoms.

I believe that OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM was GEORGE BUSH'S "BIG LIE" and that he failed to get OBL, failed to finish the job in Afghanistan, took a wrong turn in the war on terrorist groups, undermined the nation's security and may have weakened our military capability in the short term. By any objective analysis, he failed miserably. Rumsfeld ignored Gen. Shinsecki and our troops paid dearly. He should resign.

Bush has made Iraq a frontline in the "war on terror." A catastrophic, historical, strategic and geopolitical blunder. History will not be kind, unless bush gets honest and develops a new plan. Stay the Course is a meaningless slogan. It is an insult to the intelligence of the american people and to the troops.

MOST OF US WHO SAY THIS WAR IS UNJUSTIFIABLE are nevertheless committed to helping Iraq bring about a stable, sovereign government before we begin bringing our troops home. The success of the mission, as GENERAL CLARK has pointed out repeatedly, is dependent upon CHANGING COURSE, being committed militarily, politically and diplomatically. Bush must change the plan to fit the realities, tell the American people the TRUTH for godssake and be transparent--make the re-stated mission clear and rally support, based on truth and the current objective realities. until he does that, the mission's chance of succeeding is very much in doubt.

Pres. Bush ignores the advice of General Clark and others at the nation's and the troops peril.

On shared sacrifice, millions of Americans have been and are doing what they can, in a myriad of ways. I am sending a check today to the WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT.

BUT BUSH HAS FAILED AS CIC: where is the call to shared sacrifice??????? In a time of war, he lowers income taxes a second time, while Rumsfeld tries to execute the war on the cheap?!!!

WH, a member of the loyal opposition: patriotic in dissent, loyal to our troops, loyal to our nation & committed to democratic ideals.

Submitted by Bill R. (not verified) on August 26, 2005 - 10:54am.

The problem with Gen. Clark's analysis is he's forgetting his original critique of the invasion of Iraq. We are a foreign occupying colonial power in the perception of Iraqis and people's of the region. Our continued presence instigates violence not prevents it. Not one more American should die there. Our presence is the problem, not the solution. Not one more taxpayer dollar should be spent there except to feed people.
Bill R.

Submitted by Bruce S (not verified) on August 26, 2005 - 1:05pm.

I would love to see Gen Clark embrace this reality as part of his "Real Plan." Otherwise it's Bush Lite, and Dems following this strategy always LOSE. Perhaps deservedly so.

Submitted by Jeffko (not verified) on August 26, 2005 - 9:59am.

I have read your article this morning and while in principal agreeing with the goals you've laid out I hear the biggest cash register in the world ringing up billion after billion of dollars. I don't want anymore of our tax dollars spent on this boondoggle. I say amass our troops on the borders of Iraq and say--you've got 30 days to end this attacking of Americans. If you don't stop it--we're out of here.

Time to go home without the trophy if we need to. What good would the trophy be anyway.

Jeffko

Submitted by LJM on August 27, 2005 - 11:23am.

I've wondered why we don't pull our troops to Kuwait and Qatar for a rapid mobilization and find a way to have a lighter "footprint" in Iraq while training the Iraqi troops. Why can't the Iraqi police trainees be trained in secure areas like the Kurdish north or even other countries, as the French have offered to do? We need to make use of every resource there is and if sending Iraqis to be trained in Europe is a possibility, why not? It's on those other countries dime.
Much of what Iraq needs is good old police work.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 27, 2005 - 12:25pm.

to help "seal" borders, to limit incursion of foreign fighters.

(something bush overlooked)

and do what General Clark suggested, commit to no permanent bases in Iraq.

Submitted by donjo (not verified) on August 25, 2005 - 6:30pm.

Does being on this blog/thread mean everyone has to be so long-winded? I think Phoebe needs to give some lessons here concerning her 4 paragraph rule. (Short paragraphs, at that.)

Submitted by James (not verified) on August 25, 2005 - 10:42am.

Thank you General Clark for a breath of fresh air in the Iraq debate. I couldn't agree more that the Real Plan for success in Iraq is still very much effective and relevant. Though conditions on the ground have worsened the dynamics of the fight remain the same.

Only by following your plan of engaging regional partners in the future of Iraq can we stem the flow of weapons, funds and indeed insurgents into Iraq. Many reports have documented that many suicide bombers are in fact not Iraqi, but foriegn nationals entering Iraq through Syria.

And reports have indicated Iranian arms may have been used in a IED attack that killed 16 Marines. Only by engaging all of Iraq's neighbors not just the ones we find convenient can we hope to prevent Iraq from becoming a failed state in which terrorism will find a safe haven of operations.

Sadly the leadership vaccum in the White House will not easily give up it's policy of marching us off a cliff in an attempt to play tough on forieng policy. Their's has been a faith based Iraq policy asking American's Iraqi's and indeed the whole world to trust them where they have shown no ability to make a dent in the poverty of Iraqi's or in the insurgency.

I like most Americans want a real plan to get us out of Iraq, safely, without leaving behind a mess that could result in a future Nuclear 9/11. Bush's faith based Iraq policy isn't a plan, it's a disaster, and when it come to national security, and the lives of our troops, I'm not willing to just take it on faith in this President.

I hope that Democratic leaders follow your sound advice, it is a real plan with a real vision, and it will surely give them the credibility they need on matters of national security to retake Congress and force the President to follow a real strategy for success intead of a faith based Iraq policy.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 25, 2005 - 9:46am.

Just curious Mr. President, what is your contingency plan, now?????

America deserves that you come out and tell us what the mission is now and what the Plan is, since you have challenged our patriotism and loyalty to our troops.

Oh we will remain loyal to our troops, always, and I ask every democrat, independent, republican and all other Americans, regadless of affiliation, to re-double their efforts to help the troops in every way possible!!! I promise I will.

Now Mr. President, you owe the country and the troops a clear explanation of the Mission and your Plan, not just "stay the course."
Respectfully, that won't do it, Mr. President.

B.H., a member of the loyal opposition. Loyal to our troops, our nation and it's democratic ideals.

Submitted by Stan Davis (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 7:12pm.

This is Gary Hart's op-ed in the Washington Post, August 24, 2005: click

here.

Excerpt:

But what will history say about an opposition party that stands silent while all this goes on? My generation of Democrats jumped on the hot stove of Vietnam and now, with its members in positions of responsibility, it is afraid of jumping on any political stove. In their leaders, the American people look for strength, determination and self-confidence, but they also look for courage, wisdom, judgment and, in times of moral crisis, the willingness to say: "I was wrong."

To stay silent during such a crisis, and particularly to harbor the thought that the administration's misfortune is the Democrats' fortune, is cowardly. In 2008 I want a leader who is willing now to say: "I made a mistake, and for my mistake I am going to Iraq and accompanying the next planeload of flag-draped coffins back to Dover Air Force Base. And I am going to ask forgiveness for my mistake from every parent who will talk to me."

Further, this leader should say: "I am now going to give a series of speeches across the country documenting how the administration did not tell the American people the truth, why this war is making our country more vulnerable and less secure, how we can drive a wedge between Iraqi insurgents and outside jihadists and leave Iraq for the Iraqis to govern, how we can repair the damage done to our military, what we and our allies can do to dry up the jihadists' swamp, and what dramatic steps we must take to become energy-secure and prevent Gulf Wars III, IV and so on."

At stake is not just the leadership of the Democratic Party and the nation but our nation's honor, our nobility and our principles. Franklin D. Roosevelt established a national community based on social justice. Harry Truman created international networks that repaired the damage of World War II and defeated communism. John F. Kennedy recaptured the ideal of the republic and the sense of civic duty. To expect to enter this pantheon, the next Democratic leader must now undertake all three tasks.

But this cannot be done while the water is rising in the Big Muddy of the Middle East. No Democrat, especially one now silent, should expect election by default. The public trust must be earned, and speaking clearly, candidly and forcefully now about the mess in Iraq is the place to begin.

The real defeatists today are not those protesting the war. The real defeatists are those in power and their silent supporters in the opposition party who are reduced to repeating "Stay the course" even when the course, whatever it now is, is light years away from the one originally undertaken. The truth is we're way off course. We've stumbled into a hornet's nest. We've weakened ourselves at home and in the world. We are less secure today than before this war began.

Who now has the courage to say this?

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"Who has the courage to say this?" I think I know of someone...someone who has saying these things for years...Wes Clark.

Stan Davis
Lakewood, CO

Submitted by PJH, Richmond, VA (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 6:42pm.

Thank you General Clark for posting this article on your web site. I have forwarded it to all of the addresses I have for media, hoping they will finally hear what you have been saying since 2004. Gary Hart made waves today with his article in the Washington Post, but we know you can say it better and you could make it happen.
It was great to see that wonderful photo of you again. Please post more photos on the web.
Stay strong General. We support you all the way!

Submitted by Aa (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 2:41pm.

wes is on target, as usual... but no one is talking about pull-out schedules and troop reduction, not with the DC dem-elites taking a hard right position on troop reduction and other "fringe", "anti-american" policy stances. watch the upcoming US troop escalation in the region...watch. i dont think wes CAN take a stand on troop reduction schedules anyway, because although the DC elite are wrong as usual, the hopefully-rapid troop reduction schedule must be tied to and based upon successful policy (wes' policy) to stabalize the region, or we'll see the balkans all over again in iraq immediately after our withdrawal...

Submitted by Charlotte Scot (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 9:42am.

President Bush has spent two days these week trying to explain to Americans WHY the US should not withdraw troops from Iraq.
The problem is, the President mislead people about why we went there in the first place.
There was no good reason to rush into Iraq in 2003.
There was NO imminent danger. There were no weapons of mass destruction. There was no link between Saddam Hussein and the terrorists who attacked the United States on September 11th, 2001.
What’s more there was NO proper military planning for the President’s “mission.” We were lacking an exit plan from the beginning. We were lacking proper equipment and protection for our troops. We were lacking support from the international community.
Given this background it is understandable why Americans want to pull out.
The President says to pull-out now would weaken US security. The fact is, our security, as well as that of the entire Middle East has been weakened because we went there in the first place.
We cannot spend anymore time rehashing the mistakes of the Bush Administration.
Rather, we must pull together as Americans and successfully remove ourselves from this quagmire.
It has gotten very popular to support the idea of an immediate pull-out. Ultimately we must let reality and reason prevail. The Middle East has been a powder keg for decades. When the US went into the region it lit dozens of fuses. The turmoil which has ensued has taken thousands of lives, created dozens of terrorists and left a region’s people angry and confused. To up and leave now would only promote more of the same.
We need a solid plan. We need the support of the international community. We need to be able to lay-out in front of the world our intentions and our exit strategy.
I totally support Wes Clark’s ideas regarding Iraq.

Submitted by Judy from NJ (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 7:14am.

I have no doubt that things could be done now to prevent Iraq from becoming a catastrophe. However, the Bush administration has shown no ability to conduct the diplomatic or political work that is needed. If the Democrats can take back either the house or the senate in January 2007, we might be able to have some small impact the policy on Iraq, but that is over a year from now. Actually changing the policy can't be done for over three years. By that time things could be so bad that the alternatives you speak about won't be available.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 2:27pm.

It is imperative that Democrats pick up additional seats in the House
and Senate, as well as in the state governor's races in 2006. We have to gain momentum toward 2008 when at last we will be rid of George W.
Bush. This country can not continue in this dangerous downward spiral
that we are in with this bunch of lunatics in control. These people
and their philsophical ultra rightwing beliefs have to be removed from
power once and for all. When you have people on the right like Pat
Robertson espousing assasionation of a world leader, something has to be done. Get active and support Democrats in next years elections. Your country depends upon it.

Submitted by Sharon K (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 7:11am.

One of the most cogent reasons I have supported you is because I admire your thought process. It is not only your intellect, although that is important, but the fact that your strength of intellect is wedded to a good heart. Most important, I view you as a person who has learned to use all of that in a thought process that involves assessing the information from a broad range of sources, making comprehensive plans for action, being willing to make decisions and act upon them based upon the current available data, and then, most importantly, remaining open to further data, reassessing it, and realigning plans and actions based upon input after the intitial decisions are made.

Here is something I wrote just the other day. I'm including it here with what was originally the last paragraph inserted at the beginning. I realize you do not have access to proper intelligence (who does?) and that discussing such things might be viewed as material with which political foes could later beat you over the head. I'm still asking it of you because my internal conflict and cognitive dissonance about this war is growing by leaps and bounds. I need a clear, updated discussion of the entire subject.

Monday, August 22, 2005

WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT IRAQ? HARD QUESTIONS

Orginal Final Paragraph:

Most of all, I would especially like to see General Clark address the questions in this letter and address them in depth in a scholarly article for something like the Washington Monthly. The short appearances on Fox are not enough—I want him to put his exemplary thought process in gear and really re-question everything and tackle this in a big way. I, and many others, have a crying need to understand.

The rest of the letter:

As we sit here today, it is still 3 ½ years until anyone but George W. Bush and his neocon crew will be running this war. Inauguration Day will next come on January 20, 2009, so this is the first possible moment for a change of direction, unless Bush et al can be convinced to change their policy re: Iraq long before they leave office. I don’t like the odds of depending on that, especially since I think their original aim was to stay there more or less indefinitely. Yes, some have said that, as the ultimate political animals, they will withdraw prior to the 2006 elections. They might, but I do not think we should count on it.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/21/bush.iraq/

Monday, August 22, 2005; Posted: 1:12 a.m. EDT (05:12 GMT)

President Bush will launch a new round of speeches to rally support for the war in Iraq, advisers said Sunday, as protesters camped outside Bush's Texas home and polls showed weaker support for the two-year conflict. Senior aides say Bush will attempt to portray the Iraq conflict in the context of long wars like World War II, which U.S. forces fought from 1941 to 1945.
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Because it is so long until we can even hope that a sane Democrat will be the Commander-in-Chief, we need to think about what this lengthy time period of Bush administration control of the war means to us as Democrats, most of whom opposed this particular war in the first place. Personally, my own internal calculus as to go or stay is going to be mightily affected by all the deaths and injuries of our military, their military and police, and of Iraqi civilians. This bothers me increasingly and how much I am willing to stand is directly related to what I think our chances of success are, without a long drawn-out war. My heart is with Cindi Sheehan even if I am not ready to call for a withdrawal yet.

We felt this war was not justified; it was undertaken with deception in mind and for very different reasons of world domination, showing our power, protecting oil, etc rather than the array of “reasons” that have been articulated by the Bush administration.

Not all diplomatic avenues were exhausted before we went in. We now know there were no weapons of mass destruction. We now know there were no Al Qaida links at the outset of the war. We deeply suspect that the Bush administration’s late-comer claim that “if we fight them over there we won’t have to fight them here” is hogwash as it relates to terrorist attacks on our cities.

Yes, of course, we would like to see the people of Iraq have a democracy, but we have to ask ourselves not only if this way of doing it is the right way, but also just how long it would take to establish a democracy --in this way --in this place—at this time?

Although Iraq is fairly ‘modern’, the culture there does not, to say the least, have a long tradition of the peaceful handover of power upon which to build a democracy. Further they have deep religious divisions and their country geographically is split into three areas with the insurgent’s main strength sitting astride the center of the country. Were Iraq to achieve democracy, it is likely to be over a long period of years, decades, in fact, with many fits and starts.

Do we really want to stay there and protect them while they go through this lengthy process? Because, I suspect, if we do not, they are going to end up as a dictatorship, as three countries, or as an Iranian-dominated Islamic Republic. Is there any way we can stay just a short time (maybe 2 more years?) and still have a favorable outcome? I am exceedingly dubious. But, still, I would like to hear informed opinion on the subject. And I’d like to know what that good outcome might be.

Further, the war has thus far been marked by incompetent leadership due to Defense Department and White House policy that apparently was and is guided by someone’s theory that we could do it with minimal forces and minimal monetary expense. Remember how Iraqi oil was going to pay for it? Remember how we were going to be welcomed? (We were welcomed by many, but they apparently also expected us to free them and then leave). How sad that no one recognized that Saddam’s army fell apart and retreated not only under our duress but also so they could later mount an effective insurgency. How sad that the riots occurred immediately afterwards and we could not stop them.

In the early days of the war, for sure, and up through 2004, the situation may have been helped had we committed large numbers of forces, using the Powell Doctrine.

Incidentally, I heard a telling quote from Powell tonight on the CNN Presents documentary about our intelligence failures preceding the war. Powell came back after making his speech to the UN and said to his State Department Intelligence Chief “Wouldn’t it be funny if we sent 500,000 troops in there and found absolutely nothing?”

Please note that Powell was still thinking that if we were going to do it, we were going to do it properly, with sufficient forces. Would such a commitment even help at this late date or has the situation already become so screwed up that such a thing wouldn’t help any more? I’m afraid it is the latter, but I’m not perfectly sure of this. I would like to hear a wise in-depth discussion of the topic.

Even so, would such a commitment help if we had to wait around until 2009 to implement it? It seems to me by that time the Iraqis will be so sick of us that it would just inflame the situation.

Also, how fair is it to our troops to keep them in a situation like this so long if we wait until 2009? How fair is it to the Iraqi people?

Two other urgent questions pop to mind: (1) given that the public is becoming disabused of this war, would they stand for such a thing at this late date? Or, especially by 2009? (2) Given how stretched our military forces are currently, where are we going to get these troops and just what do we have to take them away from in order to use them?

Many of us have supported staying in Iraq until a decent resolution can be brought about. We define a decent outcome variously: ‘stay and fix what we broke,’ ‘try to prevent civil war,’ ‘try to assure a democracy,’ or at the very least, ‘prevent Iraq from turning into a dictatorship as in the past’, or, most of all, ‘prevent them from becoming our worst nightmare as a base for terrorism.’ Just where do we currently stand on these issues—how far along are we towards the supposed goals and where are we likely to be standing by January 2009? Are our assumptions true?

Others have an even simpler motivation: they just can’t stand to see us back down and/or they worry that backing down will truly embolden radical fundamental Islamists and cause us more trouble in the future. Is this true? Even I worry about this, but I think we should question it and analyze it. We do not want to be put in the position of supporting a shibboleth that turns out not to be true, such as the “Domino Theory.”

I do not believe in saying, “Well, we will just be there until we win.” Sorry, but for me that may be too long. I want to know where we now stand and what our options are for a decent resolution that doesn’t call for us to still be fighting and bleeding blood and money in 2009.

For this particular war, when would it make sense to just give it up and come home? Never? Not for me anyway, and I suspect not for most people. It is asking far too much of people who think the war was a really really bad idea in the first place to consider a “Never—no matter how bad it gets--we have to stay forever, if that is what it takes.”

In one way, the Democrats could just muse about sitting back and letting the war run it’s course under the Bush administration and capitalizing on it in 2008 (since it is likely to be a black-eye for the Republican’s at that time). That would be unethical, I think. I don’t think we can just sit back when so many are bearing the brunt of Bush’s faulty decisions for so long.

I’ve been brainstorming—not that I’m all that equipped for this particular task regarding ideas about ending a war. (You, General Clark, however, are).

When brainstorming, you just put out all sorts of ideas, so don’t think I’m wedded to this idea as potential policy.

But, what if, in order to extract ourselves from this Iraq mess, we gave a reasonable date to the Iraqi government at which we planned to withdraw our troops back into Kuwait and maybe Turkey (if they would let us) or alternatively to the Iraqi borders, whereupon we would expect the Iraqi’s to take over the burden themselves.

However, we would be waiting there, standing by, to go back in if absolutely necessary. This might remove our troops as an on-the-site irritant leading to recruitment for terrorists and the irritant we pose as “occupiers” to regular people there, also letting the Iraqi’s know there are finite limits to our patience and thus they have to get on the stick and pull together. It might also keep the Shiites aware of the fact that we will not accept an Iranian-dominated Islamic Republic (which could very well happen) and let regular Iraqis know we have not abandoned them entirely.

This is just one tiny “brainstorm” but I would very much like to hear ideas from others and see them doing the same kind of thinking. We are going to have to get creative, you know.

Submitted by Rick (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 2:19am.

When Gen. Clark enunciated this plan during the presidential campaign, things were a bit different. I wonder if it's too late to do anything at this point? Has the window of opportunity slammed shut after so many months of botched policy?

I even heard Thomas Friedman of the NY Times say the other day that he thinks it's too late to do anything now and that he was not optimistic about the outcome of this war. When someone like Friedman is saying this, you know it's not looking good. So while I hope there can be some light at the end of the tunnel, I think we're truly in a catch-22 at this point.

Submitted by noelschutz (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 6:52am.

but Wes's plan is not to keep on going, but a New Direction. It can succeed only with an entirely new context, new goals, new strategies. Militarily, troops would be given a new mix, redeployed away from populated areas and reduced to a contingent half of that we have maintained in Korea as I understand it. Oil and multinational corporation profits would not be the hidden goal and Middle Eastern nations, NATO and other countries would be brought on on an equal basis.

Bush could never do this because he cannot abandon PNACs vision of world domination and wealth for the wealthy. But if it can be done, Wes's approach is the only one that can do it--if the right person were there to implement it. And that would be Wes Clark of course.

Submitted by ljm (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 3:47pm.

General Clark,

Michael Smith, who wrote the London Times articles on the Downing Street Minutes, said in an online forum at the WAPO, that Britain could not leave Iraq under the current conditions as the Geneva Conventions say that an occupying country can't leave the country they occupy until they can govern and protect themselves. This is more than the "pottery barn" theory. We don't have to "fix" Iraq, the Iraqis can fix it with help from the world, but they have to be able to govern and secure themselves for us to leave. Clearly, the Bush administration disregards Geneva and thinks it's "quaint." I know you still honor the Geneva Conventions. So, this being the standard, what would be the minimum, meeting these standards for the US to be able to bring our troops out of Iraq?

Submitted by thoughtvessel (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 3:05pm.

If Wesley Clark were Commander-in-Chief, leaving Iraq in a less than catastrophic condition might very well be a real possibility. Our military presence there now, even under the abysmal leadership of the Bush administration, may be keeping a lid on a horrible civil war, but can our military really maintain this for the duration of the Bush administration? And for whoever is to be elected in 2008, even if it's the most qualified person on the planet, is it likely things will deteriorate to a point of no return there? Or is it too early to tell? As we consider these things, however, Americans are dying, and seemingly, Iraq is deteriorating. "Troops home now" is a potent message. Is there a comparably potent message we can carry that will better ensure our success in Iraq?

Submitted by Lord Vader (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 2:27pm.

General Clark:

Today I learned that the US military is building 14 (!!) permanent bases in Iraq, several of them larger than Sacramento, CA.

What the hell is going? Why is the US military trying to establish a permanent presence in Iraq on such a huge scale??

Submitted by Rick Sloan (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 1:28pm.

Why are we building permanent military bases in Iraq? Because that was the original intent of going in there in the first place. Reference: Project for A New American Century (PNAC), Report of September, 2000. Pnac leaders include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, etc.

Submitted by DP2 (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 1:16pm.

I made a similar comment about the bases over there a few weeks ago over at the CCMM blog and no one gave a satisfactory anwswer to that question. I was trying to make the point that it does not make any difference if the troops start coming home. we will always have a military presence over there.Thats why most countries hate the US. Its the policy. And we called Russia,Cuba China(not lately because we owe them so much money)communists. The US is doing the same thing only they say is for freedom and democracy(yea right)So why isn't any of these so called democrats( I don't expect the repubs to bring this up)asking about the bases in Iraq? I tell you why, because they will probably benefit from this if and when they get control of the WH. The dems(most if not all) are in cahoots with the repubs.

Submitted by Cate (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 4:29pm.

OIL

Submitted by noelschutz (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 6:54am.

Oil and multinational company profits and the PNAC's vision of world hegemony by the US.

Submitted by Leslie (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 2:22pm.

General Wes,

How do we implement this plan? It is becoming increasingly clear it cannot or will not be done with the current Administration. It seems something needs to change and fast. Can this plan be delivered to the Senate Democrats and they, along with the so called "moderate" Republicans write and pass a bill which the President must sign and MUST implement immediately? Or can the Congress tell him to get out of the way and do this themselves? I guess the question is, how do we MAKE him do it? We need action now. Desperate times call for desperate measures and I believe we are there and even perhaps too late, I'm sorry to say. One thing is clear, we cannot continue as we are. It is not acceptable. Perhaps it's time for the last, last, last resort. Force.

Submitted by bill (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 4:32pm.

the only thing congress can do is force bush to get real through the controlling the purse strings, but that can be launched by activism, congressional resolutions, and a special bi-partisan panel-if the political will exists. i guess that's where we come in, we forge the political will. let your senators and reps know what you think is best for the country!!!

Submitted by Dom M., Maryland, USA (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 1:44pm.

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Yet, Bush has only demonstrated failed leadership!

Americans deserve and demand real leadership to bring success in Iraq. In his case for war, Bush's inability to comprehend or resolve Iraq's regional, cultural and geo-political disputes, is also graphic evidence of his failures, as "leader of the free world", to engage the international community in diplomacy, as well.

This can only explain why the greatest military power in history is confined mostly within the safety of a "Green Zone." But, Bush's face sits in it's center. And, it's his face that represents the currency of failure in Iraq and the depreciation of freedom and democracy around the world.

Americans cannot afford to wait another 2 years of failed policies and failed diplomacy, because it will only devaluate the lives, honor and sacrifices to the almost 20,000 US casualties who fought in this war.

Bush and Congress must finally act; and as you said, ..."get it done right!"

Thank you, General Clark!

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Submitted by Betsyinelvistown (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 1:23pm.

Al Franken dubbed it today. The new constitution will, understandibly, give the most power to the Shia majority followed by the Kurdish minority. What do we expect? That the Sunnis, who already have a highly successful organized insurgency, are going to lay down and say, "fine, no problem"?

Apparently, many of the Shia majority are aligned with Iran, who will enjoy enormous power, including influence over the vast oil reserves, and will likely create a worse threat to our security than Saddam ever dreamed of.

Also, ironically, Pres. Bush's promises for rights for women in Iraq will not occur if this new constitution is enacted. Islamic law will prevail and women will be no better off than before we invaded.

So what exactly have we gained by this war, other than ruining the lives of thousands of Americans and Iraqis? I don't get it.

Thank you for keeping your voice heard. I saw a reference to this post on Daily Kos. Clark '08!!!!!

Submitted by Donna Z on August 23, 2005 - 1:20pm.

General Clark_You saw the concept of this war in Iraq as a geopolitical blunder, a war of choice that we didn’t have to fight. Of course, I agree with you--did then, do now. And I also agree that diplomacy will lead to greater stability regionally, and thus politically in Iraq. Nevertheless there are several problems with any plan for success. Who is there in this administration that can or will carry out regional diplomacy? No one. Honestly, no one. The Bush administration is locked into an economic, and ideological doctrine that never bends, no matter how much it breaks the backs of our troops.

Now we face a new dilemma: the longer we stay, the more we are hated, and the more we fuel the violence rather than secure the country. Conversely, if we leave, in all probability, greater violence will break out. Where is the third-way? We do need to find success in Iraq, but who will lead the way?

It is wonderful to hear from you about these matters. I appreciate your thoughts and hope to hear more.

Submitted by bill (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 4:46pm.

rumsfeld must be fired or resign. so he must resign, bush has not the political courage to fire him.

pres then needs to appoint a pragmatic general with combat experience to lead DOD (the best available)

then instead of BS, the pres needs to be honest

we, the public, will listen to General Clark, but Pres. Bush will not. so, maybe a comprehensive plan set forth by retired Generals including General Clark, sent in secret to the Whitehouse.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 1:07pm.

General, I appreciate your insight and think that it should've been implemented from Day 1.

There needs to be a stable government in power before the US leaves. However, we cannot stay in this country indefinitely and we cannot continue to carry on the burdens of police action if the Iraqi government can't sustain itself. This is similar to the South Vietnamese regime being unable to establish legitimacy without constant, direct American support.

I understand that we cannot give a definitive deadline for withwdrawl, let alone announcing it publicly. But rather, we need to set benchmarks for success, we need to have a mechanism for measuring whether or not we are succeeding. What are we trying to accomplish? It seems to me that the issues of stability and democracy are not complementary in this case, they do not go hand in hand. Basically, all that the elections in Iraq have accomplished is entrenching the powers of the Shiite majority and it's Iranian backers. Ayatollah Sistani, Ibrahim Jaafari, and many other prominent Iraqi leaders are people who are either close to Iran or have lived there under exile. And if women lose the rights that they have, if Iraq is merely becoming an extension of Iran, if the Sunnis can never be pleased, and if the Kurds demand autonomy.......then WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE?

So General, I think your plan is brilliant, but unfortunately the turn of events in Iraq and the total mismanagement of the post-war planning leave us with some tough choices (stability vs. democracy), none of them being optimal.

Submitted by Barry (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 1:07pm.

Thank you for continuing to speak out as a voice of reason and resolve. “Staying the course” is a prescription for failure when it’s a simple sound bite without a solid plan. It is time to provide our troops with the numbers, training and equipment that the need to succeed and back them with the diplomatic and political efforts that will insure their success.

Submitted by Shireen Gonzaga (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 1:02pm.

Dear Wes,

I'm calling you President Clark from now on ... I can't wait till 2008.

I agree with you. But I also think that any further military action in Iraq under NATO has to be done without US and British troops. It should also include troops from a broader coalition of nations, like India, Japan, and moderate Muslim countries like Malaysia. We've done more than enough damage to Iraq. Simply put, they hate us and want us out. Any further US and British military presence will just make the situation worse.

In addition, any further diplomatic efforts have to come with an apology from the US to the world community. Otherwise, they have no reason to believe anything we say. We have to lead by example, and we can start by being honest and admitting to our mistakes.

But it will be a cold day in hell before the Bush adminstration does any of this. Our only near-term hope is to get a Democratic Congress in 2006 so true patriots like John Conyers can begin impeachment hearings against the Bush crime family. Only then will the world see the true nature of our democracy at work and start trusting us again.

Take care,
shireen
in Baltimore

Submitted by Cate (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 12:50pm.

I understand the mentality that if you break it you have to buy it, but why do we have to stay in Iraq at this point? I spoke with a reservist the other day who said the military are doing good things over there like building schools and other humanitarian initiatives. Isn't that the work of NGO's like the Peace Corps? It looks like our troops on the ground in Iraq are just acting as policemen and women, targets for anyone who wants to take a pot shot at an American. What is the point of that? I have yet to hear a convincing argument for wny we should not stand down and let the Iraqis deal with their own country. There are ways to stand down with honor a dignity and not been seen as weak. It's called "spin." Just as we were sold this operation. Sure we have to work the region in the ways Wes has stated time and time again, but how many soldiers have to die before we start working these other angles?

Submitted by Jai (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 1:42pm.

I was particularly struck by what Juan Cole wrote to his blog just yesterday:

Personally, I think "US out now" as a simple mantra neglects to consider the full range of possible disasters that could ensue. For one thing, there would be an Iraq civil war. Iraq wasn't having a civil war in 2002. And although you could argue that what is going on now is a subterranean, unconventional civil war, it is not characterized by set piece battles and hundreds of people killed in a single battle, as was true in Lebanon in 1975-76, e.g. People often allege that the US military isn't doing any good in Iraq and there is already a civil war. These people have never actually seen a civil war and do not appreciate the lid the US military is keeping on what could be a volcano.
http://www.juancole.com

If we get out of Iraq now, and if civil war ensues, how can go back in? But if a civil war spurs in a humanitarian crisis of historic proportions, or threatens to engulf the region, or results in the installation of a Talibanesqe government that provides refuge to al Qaeda, how can we not? What will be our moral obligation? And what will the American people be willing to support?

I sympathize with the sentiment expressed by Paul Hackett on Maher's Real Time on Friday, that since we know the current administration is not competent to accomplish real success in Iraq, it's better to call it quits now.

But until we arrive at a point where there is no chance of success left at all, it seems to me we must hope they do no more harm than they have already, and that there is something left to salvage when they're through. Because the almost certain alternative is just not acceptable.

Submitted by Haypops (not verified) on August 24, 2005 - 7:24pm.

As always, Jai and General Clark are correct. However, no ally, no foe, no disinterested third party respects Bush enough to help us until the '08 elections. In the mean time can our military continue with this rate of deaths and dismemberments. Can they withstand the pressure of repeated tours of duty.

We need to analysize the downside of leaving and staying. The former is catastrophic, the latter merely devastating.

The only "out" that I can see is to minimize troop losses by retreating to those rumored permanent bases away from the populace and insurgents until the elections.

Submitted by joandarc (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 12:27pm.

"Success in Iraq" under this Republican Administration means "Empire". It looks like at least 50% of Iraqis may end up with less freedom than under the secular rule of Saddam, and the Bush regime is going to allow this New Islamic State and call it a "Success"! Osama must be laughing in his cave, (instead of his grave) while George recruits new terrorists for him and creates an Islamic State a la Iran, something Osama could never have done without the aide of his old ally.

So what is success. That word cannot be applied to Iraq unless and until Democrats gain some of their power back and can start to guide events in Iraq in some way that is truly helpful to the cause of Iraqis and to the cause of justice there.

Submitted by Argent (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 12:21pm.

We really need you to be our next President. The whole world is getting ready to explode and we need someone like you with the diplomatic and military experience to save us all.

You've got my vote and I will be campaigning for the first time for you in 2008. I've never felt more sure of anything in my life.

Submitted by ArkySue (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 12:02pm.

Thank you for continuing to speak out about the failings of the Bush Administration in Iraq and putting forth your ideas on what needs to be done to get us out of Iraq successfully. America needs to wake up and listen!

Submitted by Richard Thompson Jr. (not verified) on August 23, 2005 - 12:16pm.

The problem with the Bush Administration is their absolute bullheaded approach to any percieved problem with any of their policies. They have the "broken record" syndrome. That is if we keep repeating over and over that nothing is wrong then it must be true. It also, fills the sound bite mentality of the news programs and they do not have to tell anyone their so called stategy. We need more leaders like General Clark. I advocated that fact in 2003 and continue to this day to anyone who will listen. It is time to get out of Iraq!!! We should never have been so easily mislead into that place and it is time to hold accountable every leader who pushed us into that conflict. But, we have to start by having a plan of our own. Not just"we need to succeed" or "we just can't cut and run". These are eerily the same arguments that were used during Vietnam and that has to stop.

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