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GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: ...Almost a year ago, and they've tried to stay out of the fighting in Gaza. But as they are shelled and, and rocketed from Gaza, then they do retaliate against the leaders who are directing that shelling. As this fighting worsens of course, it's going to create a humanitarian catastrophe. The Israeli Prime Minister has called for a blockade of Gaza to keep weapons from getting in. The Fata people there claim that they're being out-gunned, that their leader's not present. So, it's a, this is a, a, approaching a possible climatic moment in the struggle between the radicals and the more radical element among the Palestinians.

Alex Witt: And, General, with regard - in addition to those humanitarian concerns - what would it mean, say politically, if there was an all-out civil war in Gaza? Would be, would there be any chance to getting back on the roadmap to peace?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I think it would be very difficult for anybody on the outside to intervene effectively in the war. I think it'd be very difficult, for example, for the Israelis to intervene on behalf of Fata. Right now, it appears that Hamas has the upper hand. This could change, but right now what this would mean is a government taking power which is more absolutist in its view, rejectionist in it's review of Israel's right to exist as a state, and it would compromise even further the chances for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

Alex Witt: Alright. Retired General Wesley Clark, former Presidential candidate, now MSNBC analyst. It's all good. Thank you so much for joining us.